[DPR Mafia] Call-Your-Shot Mafia- Points being posted...

[Naeann]

*nods sagely*  Now stop spamming boys.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

I only spammed one post, and as meaning as I am probably a dead man tomorrow, I would like to hear from Barm.

[Kivam]

Um . . . Wombat?  What part of those quotes suggests that either I or Talmanes are scum (let alone both)?

[WWWwombat]

DPR Mafia Act I, Scene 2

 

FDM:  Who is Talmanes?

Kivam: Let's all reveal!

All: No.

Kivam: Ok let's not reveal.

FDM: Who is Talmanes?

All: Let's lynch Kiv!

Rey:  No, lynch me!

Talya:  Are you intellectually disabled?

All:  He's useless anyway.

Kivam:  Marbles!

All:  We see your point.  We're still lynching you though.

Kivam:  There's a psycho and an arsonist and I'm the firefighter.

Rey:  Kiv isn't scum.  Lynch me.

Kiv:  You sure you're ok?

Talmanes: Let's lynch nobody.

FDM: Who is Talmanes?

Talmanes: I'm suspicious of Nae--oops I edited.

*dies*

All: Ok let's lynch Rey.

Alys:  I know things.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

DPR Mafia Act I, Scene 2

 

FDM:  Who is Talmanes?

Kivam: Let's all reveal!

All: No.

Kivam: Ok let's not reveal.

FDM: Who is Talmanes?

All: Let's lynch Kiv!

Rey:  No, lynch me!

Talya:  Are you intellectually disabled?

All:  He's useless anyway.

Kivam:  Marbles!

All:  We see your point.  We're still lynching you though.

Kivam:  There's a psycho and an arsonist and I'm the firefighter.

Rey:  Kiv isn't scum.  Lynch me.

Kiv:  You sure you're ok?

Talmanes: Let's lynch nobody.

FDM: Who is Talmanes?

Talmanes: I'm suspicious of Nae--oops I edited.

*dies*

All: Ok let's lynch Rey.

Alys:  I know things.

 

Epic and I agree

[Talya]

That was pretty good, lol...so do we get one for Day 2 as well...

 

[WWWwombat]

Probably not but we'll see.

[Naeann]

Post by: Talmanes on February 01, 2010, 07:04:08 PM

God am I the only one who thinks that everyone is reading way to much into the whole Rey thing?

Yeah his reveal is kind of pointless, but unlike Pandy he doesn't seem to just be trying cause chaos!

According to him he just wanted to get things going, which sounds good right about now.

And Pete weren't you trying to do the same thing, get things going, when you voted for yourself at the beginning of the game? But now you are jumping down his throat about him trying to get himself lynched. At least he didn't actually vote for himself. And I know it is just your tradition but still. Also like it has been pointed out there is no Jester.

If his reveal was true (and I'm kind of assuming it is because why else say he has a crappy role?) then he is of some use, but not enough that the mafia would target him, in my opinion.

As annoying as Pandy is at this point, I don't see him being scum, but am really thinking he is a cult leader. I'm also thinking that he is invincible either during the day or at night now that someone said his phrase, which is why I am not voting for him. Also as much as I would like to get a lynch over with, I'm more suspicious of others, so I won't vote Kivam unless it gets really long.

I'm busy now so more later.

 

Blue: Defense of Rey and his reveal.  

Green: Throwing it back on Pete.  More defending of Rey.

Orange: "his reveal must be true.it's too crappy to make up"  But it's so insignificant that mafia wouldn't target him.... setting up for reasons he might survive night?.. though he didnt even survive day...

Purple: going back to the pandy thing.. with Rey's reveal not being as all over as pandy's to Talm.  Throwing in the cult idea.  speculatiing on what it does.. correctly if Pandy is to be believed.  Hesitant to vote Kivam unless a bandwagon forms.

 

 

Edit: Wombat that was hilarious.  Also I did this to what I thought you were getting at with posting the quotes.. I'll do the second one in a minute.

 

 

[Naeann]

I know the length of this is getting insane, but I don't think we should all just jump on someone. This was the whole problem with Kivam. People weren't necessarily suspicious of him they just wanted the day to end. Now one person votes Rey and everyone just goes for it? I didn't think Kivam was scum, so I never voted for him. Everyone then started looking suspiciously at the bandwagoners. Now the cycle is repeating and everyone is just band wagoning again. I'm not at this time thinking Rey is scum. He may have a crappy ability, but that doesn't mean he's scum, so I am not joining that bandwagon either.

 

This is likely where Wombat thinks you are scum with Talm.. he's also defending you.  Again stresses that he doesn't think Rey is scum.  Refuses to bandwagon.. on anyone it seems.

 

I was suspicious of Nae in the first place and originally voted for her, but unvoted to monitor some others for a while. I never stopped being suspicious of Nae, and she has done more to make my suspicions grow since then. It seems a lot of you are suspicious of her too, which is why the new bandwagon just seems foolish.

So I'm voting Nae.

 

Very suspicious of me all game.  Scum throwing suspicion elsewhere?  Gambit type deal? Distancing himself?  I can't really comment on it because no matter my alignment I'd say I'm innocent and his suspicions were unfounded. 

 

I'm not trying to start another bandwagon. That accomplishes nothing. As much as I want this day to end, I'm not going to vote for someone unless I am suspicious of them. So if you are suspicious of Nae too, then by all means vote. If all you care about is ending the day with a quick bandwagon lynch, you are kind of ruining the point of playing and thinking and deciding things, and I think you should try to make educated decisions, instead of just jumping on the lynch train. It may make this incredibly long day longer, but it will make us a lot more likely to lynch scum.

 

First part makes sense.. why vote for someone if you aren't suspicious of them? :P  Frankly.. he SAYS he isn't trying to start another bandwagon and then says if you are suspicious of nae too then vote for her.  IMHO that is attempting to start a bandwagon.  But I digress...

 

 

My stuff is the colored part this time.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

I think both of those are good synopsis's Nae, and none are throwing mud at me.

 

Hmmm, so other then Kivam attacking me, and me thinking he is scum and Barm posting a picture and voting for me what other evidence do you have that I could be scum?

[a pale tanned lover]

So are we thinking that nae and pandy are likely to be innocent noow?

[Talya]

You are supposed to be making your own mind up, or are you here just to follow the majority?

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

I never said Panda wasn't innocent. I actually think he is.

 

I am still slightly suspicious of Nae, for going against her traditional views, but I am more suspicious of Kiv then anyone.

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm going back a few pages, but I need to address something that's really bugging me. Kivam, you're an attorney, and your job is about using logical arguments to make points, add up the points and reach a conclusion. You're very good at that, obviously, and play these games using those same tools. Not all of us can or want to do that. For me, when I play, if I try to use logic and just use my head, I lose. Every time. If I listen to my gut, and go with what FEELS right, I tend to win. My point is that I simply can't play your way, so asking me to is useless. I can't build a logical case, go point by point, yada, yada, but I still tend to win. There is more than one route to any goal, and both ways work well. Just because I can't say why I feel something or prove it in a lawyer-like way doesn't mean it isn't there or that I'm scummy or something. I'll admit this is my first game of openly using my connection with Pete to work together. I thought I'd see how it works out to be open instead of subtle with it.

[a pale tanned lover]

You are supposed to be making your own mind up, or are you here just to follow the majority?

Well if you look at my voting i haven't followed the majority :P

 

Out of everyone FDM and Barm look the most suspicious to me.

[Kivam]

I'm going back a few pages, but I need to address something that's really bugging me. Kivam, you're an attorney, and your job is about using logical arguments to make points, add up the points and reach a conclusion. You're very good at that, obviously, and play these games using those same tools. Not all of us can or want to do that. For me, when I play, if I try to use logic and just use my head, I lose. Every time. If I listen to my gut, and go with what FEELS right, I tend to win. My point is that I simply can't play your way, so asking me to is useless. I can't build a logical case, go point by point, yada, yada, but I still tend to win. There is more than one route to any goal, and both ways work well. Just because I can't say why I feel something or prove it in a lawyer-like way doesn't mean it isn't there or that I'm scummy or something. I'll admit this is my first game of openly using my connection with Pete to work together. I thought I'd see how it works out to be open instead of subtle with it.

 

OK.

 

Well, logic is telling me that:

 

a) Pete is likely scum (the contradictions, clumsy attack on me night 1, and general spin add up to that, not to mention the fact that he's a governor and not on a mason team); and

 

b) Even if he's a townie, lynching him would be a good idea.  There's just too much info to be gained from confirming his alignment (if he's innocent, it would tee up Barm for the next day), and as a roleless townie, it's a small loss to essentially nail scum in exchange.

[Tigraine]

Okay, explanation for the weirdness yesterday - if somebody says "I agree with Pandy" then I am immune from night actions for the night. Hence my asking people to target me. My vagueness about the exact details of the role was an effort to make the mafia scared of whatever powers I would have, and thus to try and draw their nightkill (which I would have been immune from). This doesn't really seem to have worked.

 

Anyway, somebody want to agree with me today?

 

I'm catching up on what I've missed, anyway.

 

This brings back my suspicions of pandy!  It seems scummy to me that you were willing to render all roles useless just to prove you are unnightkillable.  Up until the point that you first told everyone to use night actions on you, had anybody said they agree with you?

 

Alys, am I completely off base here?

 

Also the reason that I wasn't to eager to jump on the bandwagon on Pete was because everybody was taking, without question, the statement made by an experienced player, who used a previous game to get his point across.  I don't understand why everyone went with it with nothing more.

[Alys Kinch]

PS Kivy, you lost me points here...

 

 

 

 

 

I told Wes, I was calling that you’d figure it out before everyone else. :P You didn’t.

 

Agrees with the above Kivy post. That’s why the rest of us went with it, from what I understand.

 

Up until the point that you first told everyone to use night actions on you, had anybody said they agree with you?

Wombat did right out of the gates. An innocent might want to play it that way to show that they are innocent, if possible. But to render the good roles obsolete is... horrible.

 

That said, anyone who agrees with someone who just said they render ALL roles obsolete is actually doing a disservice for the innocent team even if they are trying to show that they are innocent by doing such. We need to have the finder check this person to ensure they are who they say they are.

 

I don't think you are off base, but... I had info that you can't see or necessarily trust (not allowed to bold anymore...)

 

Tigs, if you had a chance to prove that one player or the other was evil when you are FAR, FAR, FAR from coming down to close numbers, is that worth taking the chance? Remember, it's a slueth AND numbers game. Mafia looks for healer, cop. Town looks for mafia and other negative roles. Sacrifice can be worth it in the right situations, for both teams (re: Kivam gambit). Do you agree?

 

[Barmacral]

So, I read this thread for a while, curled up and cried in a corner for a bit, and have put on warmer socks, because my feet are cold. Now that I've caught up, I'm going to respond to the last 15 or so pages of this.

 

I am not a finder. I did a readthrough of the thread and picked out people until I was basically flipping a coin on who I wanted to nab with the Cromwell Approval.

 

Why did I do the cromwell approval at all? 3 reasons.

 

- Nostalgia

- I am the only person other than the Dude who has ever done it before, so it seemed to suit that I'd do it this time.

- See what kind of reaction I would get out of the person I picked.

 

The top two people I considered for the Cromwell Approval were Dragonsworn and Pale Merlot. Here's why I picked each:

 

DS:

- Was on both major bandwagons in day 1

- Contradicted himself at the beginning of the game with his whole "its obviously a joke, but you're suspicious after you first post!" thing

- Really clumsy attempt to frame Kivam at the end of Day 1.

 

Pale:

- Bandwagoned on the Rey vote.

- Supported Kiv's idiotic mass reveal even after Kiv stopped supporting it.

- Had not contributed to the game otherwise at all, except for some spam.

 

Why didn't I go after Nae or Lavinya, who were the top suspects at the time? Simply, the Cromwell Approval was supposed to stir things up a bit and give us information, targetting those two wouldn't have done much, since they were both the next likely lynch candidates at the time. They seem to have faded from the forefront a lot more than I anticipated though. I would highly recommend that people not forget about them.

 

Now, if I was scum, do you really think I'd have pointed out Tynaal's total inactivity? Seems like a bad way to keep my teammate under the radar. And yes, if you look back, it was me who noticed how quiet she was initially.

 

Anyways, more later I'm sure, but for now, there it is.

[Alys Kinch]

Let me be the first to say that YOU FRIGGIN SUCK, Barmacral.

[ed2funy]

Let me be the first to say that YOU FRIGGIN SUCK, Barmacral.

 

Second...though he did stir the pot a lot.

[Barmacral]

Let me be the first to say that YOU FRIGGIN SUCK, Barmacral.

 

Aww... and here I thought you loved me.

[cosmicpanda]

if somebody says "I agree with Pandy" then I am immune from night actions for the night. Hence my asking people to target me

Was someone right? Why, yes, yes she was. :D :P

 

Yes, thank you so much for ruining it.

[DPR]

Wow, last night was a lot sultrier...*puts on a little Barry White to get everybody in the mood*

 

Now, how about those Night Actions, baby...

[ed2funy]

Oh god....are we going to have another night....like before...

:D