The Big (Currently) Unoticed Thing In Books 4-6 (Mistborn Spoilers)

[Lilbaz]

Wasn't the peaches thing a side swipe at an american football team? Sure that it was mentioned that his teams arch rivals had something to do with Peaches. Sorry but from England so have no idea, but am sure that someone will clarify.

[coteaz]

Ch.5 of SR, Amico and Joiya tell two different stories. One of a threat to Rand, located in Tanchico, and another of a plan to turn the people against him, using a false Dragon to wreck havoc on the world.

 

That was never addressed in any of the books as far as I know

 

Makes me think that Demandred is posing as the Dragon Reborn in Shara. It's been stated that he was almost Lews Therin's equal in every way, and this seems the easiest way to have an army of soldiers and channellers that aren't recruited by the white/black tower or any other army.

 

There was also the people from Shara in the the known part of Randland

 

Just a thought

 

As far as i thought, the false dragon they were going to use was Taim.

[Sharaman]

What if Demandred is Davram Bashere?  I got no real evidence to back it up but they both show up around the same time and are featured in the books mentioned.

Godwin's Law - the usual response is that RJ said the Demandred persona hadn't come onstage circa CoT.

 

[Diederichos]

What about peaches, are they poisonous in Randland?

[Mr Ares]

Why not they're an obvious thing that hasn't been commented on a lot (that I've noticed) that may have a big impact in the next book (if they'res a battle).

 

Don't get me wrong you're probably right, but it may be worth considering.

They were introduced too late (the big pack - book 10), or too early (Darkhounds in general - book 3). Of course, plenty of discussions on this thread have been on things introduced too early or too late, completely unconnected to this thing, so don't feel bad. Just curse Brandon for his too-vague hints. Damn you, Sanderson!

 

You know something people don't talk about is the fact that Machin Shin can follow and sense where Rand is and be at the closet Gateway to Rand. I don't know how that could be big unless it's more the fact that Machin Shin didn't destroy Padan Fain and seemed to be commanded by Fain to follow Rand.

Fain isn't commanding Machin Shin. If he was, he wouldn't have had it stop Rand taking the Ways to Toman Head, which is where Fain wanted him. Also, that was in book 2.

 

I dnt know how or why the peaches thing would be so important, but i do think that might be a part of the thing noone seems to have noticed. Why would RJ have made mention of this fact three of four times if it wasn't important. Of all the things he could change in Randland why peaches? There must be something behind that, especially since we hear it from more then one character.

It's a worldbuilding detail. Might as well ask why TR cats have six toes.

 

What about peaches, are they poisonous in Randland?

Yes. This is a small detail that most people miss, but there are a couple of mentions of it - Demandred thinks on it in book 9, and after the assassination attempt on Elayne (same book), Nynaeve comments that they used peach pit as part of the poison, and that the pit was the most poisonous part of the peach. Might be a couple of other references. There are a few little details like that.

[logannagol]

The reason I thought the peaches were a bit suspicious is this: they only become poisonous after the war of power. The forsaken remember them as being eadible so it means they became poisonous after they were sealed away. Now what would cause this to happen? I doubt it was mad male channelers, because it would probably be very strange if one guy went so insane he decided it would be a brilliant idea to change the genetic make up of every peach tree in the world. So the question is who or what changed the peaches? The Dark One? The Dragon in his whole being the health of the land thing? Something else?

The reason this has me so intrigued is that poisonous peaches is a reiterated tidbit throughout the series. It certainly fits being such a small thing that Brandon Sanderson can't recall which book it is first referenced in. So you never know, of course Lilbaz could be right and it was just an in joke on Robert Jordan's part.

[NetSlider]

The reason I thought the peaches were a bit suspicious is this: they only become poisonous after the war of power. The forsaken remember them as being eadible so it means they became poisonous after they were sealed away. Now what would cause this to happen? I doubt it was mad male channelers, because it would probably be very strange if one guy went so insane he decided it would be a brilliant idea to change the genetic make up of every peach tree in the world. So the question is who or what changed the peaches? The Dark One? The Dragon in his whole being the health of the land thing? Something else?

The reason this has me so intrigued is that poisonous peaches is a reiterated tidbit throughout the series. It certainly fits being such a small thing that Brandon Sanderson can't recall which book it is first referenced in. So you never know, of course Lilbaz could be right and it was just an in joke on Robert Jordan's part.

 

You know, I never thought to say this but peaches should not be ruled out yet. The only reason I even think it might something to do with real events is because threes have such a bit part of the Age of Legend and than there is Min's viewing of Perrin in the first book about trees blooming all around him. We all know peaches bloom very much so.

[insane_ashaman]

As far as peaches go...RJ was a South Carolina Guy as we all know. The state of Georgia is famous for its peaches, and borders South Carolina. As mentioned before by someone from England, I think this was mostly a shot at his rivals to the south. If the key to Tarmon Gai'din has something to do with peaches this series will go from being my all time favorite to being burned in effigy in my yard.

[NetSlider]

As far as peaches go...RJ was a South Carolina Guy as we all know. The state of Georgia is famous for its peaches, and borders South Carolina. As mentioned before by someone from England, I think this was mostly a shot at his rivals to the south. If the key to Tarmon Gai'din has something to do with peaches this series will go from being my all time favorite to being burned in effigy in my yard.

You might be an insane ashaman, but this might be the most sane thing i've read here in a long time (including my own posts)  ;D

[insane_ashaman]

Just thought this topic needed a dose of logic.

[Worm]

Ch.5 of SR, Amico and Joiya tell two different stories. One of a threat to Rand, located in Tanchico, and another of a plan to turn the people against him, using a false Dragon to wreck havoc on the world.

 

That was never addressed in any of the books as far as I know

 

Makes me think that Demandred is posing as the Dragon Reborn in Shara. It's been stated that he was almost Lews Therin's equal in every way, and this seems the easiest way to have an army of soldiers and channellers that aren't recruited by the white/black tower or any other army.

 

There was also the people from Shara in the the known part of Randland

 

Just a thought

 

Amico told the wonder girls about the plot in tanchico which turned out to be correct. She was only able to tell the truth because she had been stilled when she was captured. Joiya had not been stilled so her oaths to the DO must have still been intact, this means that if it had been a real plan then she would not have been able to give it away. Therefore she must have been lying or not telling the whole truth. (Taim did escape after all but he never claimed to be the DR again)

[wingedearth]

What if Demandred is Davram Bashere?  I got no real evidence to back it up but they both show up around the same time and are featured in the books mentioned.

 

Next you'll be saying that Demandred is Bela.

[NetSlider]

What if Demandred is Davram Bashere?  I got no real evidence to back it up but they both show up around the same time and are featured in the books mentioned.

 

Next you'll be saying that Demandred is Bela.

 

Wait, are you trying to say that Demandered is NOT Bela???!!! OMG, does that mean that all those loonies saying that Bela is the Creator are right? :)

[jemron]

Demandred has been dead since book 1.  He was Narg.

[NetSlider]

Harg smart! :)

 

But all jokes aside, and this might be a wrong place to post it, but there is something about Bashere that is weird and dark.

 

[Crael123]

What if Demandred is Davram Bashere?  I got no real evidence to back it up but they both show up around the same time and are featured in the books mentioned.

 

Next you'll be saying that Demandred is Bela.

 

i doubt its Bashere..... hes been with rand since like... LOC? that is SIX books to make a move. that is crap. im sorry.

[Sharaman]

Bashere arrives in FoH actually. We hadn't seen Dem's persona onstage till CoT at least.

[Impressive Bosom]

The reason I thought the peaches were a bit suspicious is this: they only become poisonous after the war of power. The forsaken remember them as being eadible so it means they became poisonous after they were sealed away. Now what would cause this to happen? I doubt it was mad male channelers, because it would probably be very strange if one guy went so insane he decided it would be a brilliant idea to change the genetic make up of every peach tree in the world. So the question is who or what changed the peaches? The Dark One? The Dragon in his whole being the health of the land thing? Something else?

The reason this has me so intrigued is that poisonous peaches is a reiterated tidbit throughout the series. It certainly fits being such a small thing that Brandon Sanderson can't recall which book it is first referenced in. So you never know, of course Lilbaz could be right and it was just an in joke on Robert Jordan's part.

 

Got to throw this in there - peaches ARE poisonous, the pits at least. Check the link:

 

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1941154/the_unknown_danger_of_peach_pits_poison.html?cat=5

 

At any rate, I always thought the comments about peaches being poisonous, or 'sure as peaches were poison' were actually in reference to the fact that danger or corruption could be hidden behind or within a beautiful or useful facade... a cautionary tale that you can find danger or deciet where you least expect to find it (poison in something as sweet as peaches) and one of those bits of 'folk wisdom' the books are so replete with. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.

[ShenAnCalhar]

This may have been brought up already (I admit I haven't read the entire thread), but Lanfear says in The Shadow Rising that "There are only two more powerful that a man can use..." - referring to sa'angreal when speaking about Callandor.  We know about the Choedan Kal, but what's the other one?

[wumpus]

This may have been brought up already (I admit I haven't read the entire thread), but Lanfear says in The Shadow Rising that "There are only two more powerful that a man can use..." - referring to sa'angreal when speaking about Callandor.  We know about the Choedan Kal, but what's the other one?

 

I've always assumed it was the Ring of Tamyrlin. Rand/Lews wore it in the AoL, it has to do something nifty if it's part of his titles, and is at least as awesome as summoning the 9 rods of dominion.

[logannagol]

Damn, here I was, thinking I was on to something with the peaches, and then it just turns out that RJ knows his botany a lot better than I do.

[Impressive Bosom]

Damn, here I was, thinking I was on to something with the peaches, and then it just turns out that RJ knows his botany a lot better than I do.

Its the kind of thing that's common knowledge to one group of people and a complete mystery to another. My aunt used to actually say 'sure as peaches are poison' all the time - perhaps RJ knew someone else who did growing up as well?

[Auld Manriva]

I've always thought cyanide in peach pits was common knowledge. I'm sure RJ knew it. There's a common saying (though with many forms) here in the South; "Crazy as a peach orchard boar".. which is said to derive from pigs eating overripe peach fall.

[jemron]

The reason I thought the peaches were a bit suspicious is this: they only become poisonous after the war of power. The forsaken remember them as being eadible so it means they became poisonous after they were sealed away. Now what would cause this to happen? I doubt it was mad male channelers, because it would probably be very strange if one guy went so insane he decided it would be a brilliant idea to change the genetic make up of every peach tree in the world. So the question is who or what changed the peaches? The Dark One? The Dragon in his whole being the health of the land thing? Something else?

The reason this has me so intrigued is that poisonous peaches is a reiterated tidbit throughout the series. It certainly fits being such a small thing that Brandon Sanderson can't recall which book it is first referenced in. So you never know, of course Lilbaz could be right and it was just an in joke on Robert Jordan's part.

 

Got to throw this in there - peaches ARE poisonous, the pits at least. Check the link:

 

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1941154/the_unknown_danger_of_peach_pits_poison.html?cat=5

 

At any rate, I always thought the comments about peaches being poisonous, or 'sure as peaches were poison' were actually in reference to the fact that danger or corruption could be hidden behind or within a beautiful or useful facade... a cautionary tale that you can find danger or deciet where you least expect to find it (poison in something as sweet as peaches) and one of those bits of 'folk wisdom' the books are so replete with. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.

 

I always just assumed that RJ hated peaches, and so he made them poisonous in his story for fun, as a way of saying, "Those things are nasty."

[Dakota]

The reason I thought the peaches were a bit suspicious is this: they only become poisonous after the war of power. The forsaken remember them as being eadible so it means they became poisonous after they were sealed away. Now what would cause this to happen? I doubt it was mad male channelers, because it would probably be very strange if one guy went so insane he decided it would be a brilliant idea to change the genetic make up of every peach tree in the world. So the question is who or what changed the peaches? The Dark One? The Dragon in his whole being the health of the land thing? Something else?

The reason this has me so intrigued is that poisonous peaches is a reiterated tidbit throughout the series. It certainly fits being such a small thing that Brandon Sanderson can't recall which book it is first referenced in. So you never know, of course Lilbaz could be right and it was just an in joke on Robert Jordan's part.

 

Got to throw this in there - peaches ARE poisonous, the pits at least. Check the link:

 

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1941154/the_unknown_danger_of_peach_pits_poison.html?cat=5

 

At any rate, I always thought the comments about peaches being poisonous, or 'sure as peaches were poison' were actually in reference to the fact that danger or corruption could be hidden behind or within a beautiful or useful facade... a cautionary tale that you can find danger or deciet where you least expect to find it (poison in something as sweet as peaches) and one of those bits of 'folk wisdom' the books are so replete with. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.

 

I think that the peaches in Randland are fully poisonous, and not just the pit.  There's one point where someone is killed by poison from a peach pit, and Nynaeve comments about how the pit is the "most poisonous part of the peach", not "the poisonous" or "the only poisonous", but the "most poisonous", implying that the rest of the fruit is poison too.  Plus there's another scene in which Rand is remembering swimming across a lake or something to munch in the peach orchard as a kid, then realizes it's LT's memory mixing with his own, because there weren't lakes like that in the two rivers, and peaches are poisonous.  Again, this implies that the whole fruit would be poisonous, as it's implied that this would have to be LT's memory because no one would ever want to eat a peach, or something.

 

I just chalked it up to the change happening during the breaking, either due to the chaos of the world getting ripped apart and who knows how many changes were made, or perhaps some really powerful male AS gone mad did something that changed the genetics of the peaches because he didn't like the taste.