White Tower Mafia *Starting*

[Talya]

I agree, he should be!

[mmeeshal]

Wow, what a good Night we had then!  :o  I think, now that those two groups are finally gone, things will *hopefully* start picking up the pace a bit.  We're starting to get down to less people, and things are bound to get more interesting as our numbers continue to decrease.  ;)  We can get down to the business of determining who's worthy to win. :P

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vanion[/glow]

 

Yeah, Green Shirt has definitely not been active; I haven't seen him anywhere.  So I agree he's good for the next lynch.

 

Thanks for updating that list of yours, Elli, that's really helpful to all of us! :D

[LilyElizabeth]

I can't kick Vanion while he's down. I'm sorry. I think that's really mean. Unless he is okay with it. Otherwise, no. Are you going to lynch me when my ex's wife has her open heart surgery later this week, because I'm supporting my kids?

 

[glow=red,2,300]Greenshirt[/glow]

 

 

[a pale tanned lover]

Lily i can understand where your coming from, but Vanion hasn't been on much because he was away and only posted a couple of times before that. I don't think he would mind the vote because he has more pressing issues too deal with at this time.

[Talya]

So he's on your team Lily?

 

That isn't a reason not to vote for someone in a game. He hasn't been around becuase he has been on holiday (personnaly I feel he shouldn't have started the game if he knew he was going away) and now he has more pressing matter on his mind that this is going to be far from it. Besides he didn't even look in here between the two events and he had time!

[el Nynaeve]

As pale noted, Vanion hasn't been here, understandably so and isn't likely to be back for a while. I really think getting lynched in this game is about the last thing on his mind and I doubt he'll care if he does get lynched.

 

However Greenshirt is on our list of inactive lynches if someone doesn't NK him first.

 

Good point there Tal, I hadn't thought of that, it's something to keep in mind.

[LilyElizabeth]

Talya, I'm not trying to save a teammate. I would feel this way about anyone in his situation. Yes, he has stuff going on, but a little time between nearly losing his father and getting kicked by us is in order, especially when we have other choices equally as worthy of a lynch. But you all do what you want. I'm just not joining in this. I think it stinks.

 

 

[Talya]

If it was a sudden things by us then I could understand, but he wasn't on here for three weeks whilst away and then when he came back he didn't post on here and that was before his father was ill. he was on the cards to do for a while. I wouldn't think he would be seeing it as a kick in it for him, this is a game after all nothing more! But has shown little or no interest in the game when he has had the chance.

 

But if you feel that way I'm not going to push you anymore, it is your decision, but say that it stinks, in a game is a little harsh!

[Charis alAslan]

Lily, I think what we're trying to get at is there's no need to make this personal. Vanion would prob be the first to ask to be let go form the game in order to deal with what he has going on IRL. It's just a game and there'll be plenty more for him to play. We have been patient and waited for all the inactives to show - even not lynching some who popped in after 50 pgs! We must move on. I'm sure he'll understand.

[LilyElizabeth]

I will concede that I see your point of view. I just don't agree with it. I've been through what Van's going through. My kids are about to go through it this week. It's very emotional and scary. There is no reason to choose him over Greenshirt. They're both very inactive at this point, and Van has a reason. Greenshirt does not, as far as I know.

 

I'm just suggesting a little time, and bumping him down the list a little, out of fairness and compassion, but you all see it differently and that's fine, I guess. This really isn't about the game at all to me. This game has been moving so slowly lately, it's become a pretty low priority in my life. It's just about what I see as right and wrong. We Greens get fired up over those things. I'll stop now, though. You see it differently. I respect that, even though I disagree.

 

If I get time, later today, I'll post my spreadsheet for you all to see. I think we need to get a good look at who has been active and who has not. The list of inactives is getting pretty short.

 

[LilyElizabeth]

I decided to go ahead and do it now. Enjoy!

 

 

If it is hard to read the direct link is:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z300/lilyesmith/WTmafiaspreadsheet.jpg

 

 

[Ludmian]

Lily, I see your point, and I probably wouldn't have chosen Vanion myself if it had been me who started the bandwagon, but I see no reason to save him now that the bandwagon has been started. As has already been said, he has had an opportunity to participate in the game before, but he didn't choose to. He posted a few times in the very beginning, and at this point he will hardly come back.

 

Thanks for the spreadsheet, Lily. Now it's clear that neither the Whites nor the Keeper/MoN/Amyrlin had enough points for a nightkill. So most likely we have had two recruitments so far. On the other hand, if 2-3 people among the Top-5 point earners happened to be on the same team, they already have (or will soon have) enough points for two significant night actions.

 

By the way, I agree with the suggestion to lynch Green Shirt tomorrow.

[Mystica]

I see I got promoted to the inactive list too. Fair enough, as this game has been dragged on for way longer than my patience can handle. Hope you all enjoyed it at least. I just don't think I'm maffia material. *shrugs*

 

[Talya]

Lily I sat and watched my father slowly die for a month. If someone had got me out of a game like this I would have been grateful not upset by it. In fact I would have tried to get myself replaced or have myself modkilled as I wouldn't have wanted to feel I was dragging the game down.

 

I went through the list and couldn't remember who was out who was in and who was on the inactive list. His name was the only one that stood out as defiantely being on the inactive list. People pushed to have him stopped from being lynched when he was on leave away from the game for three weeks, and he hasn't even come back in, before his Dad was ill. So he is dead weight. This is a game and RL doesn't come into it. He shouldn't have come into the game when he knew he was going on holiday!

 

I can't see you list at work, photobucket is blocked. I have to agree with Myst though, this game is going on for way too long and having an argument over this is ridiculus and I believe an excuse for you not to vote for him because he is on your team.

 

For info we have had 4 nightkills and another action against me on one night (whether nk or recruit etc I don't know) so that makes at least 5 that have used their points. If the other two teams didn't have enough points to do anything then there is only two teams that either haven't used their points, have been blocked or have recruited!

[Ludmian]

If someone really tried to nightkill/recruit you it means there is only one team with enough points for recruiting. That is, if we suppose that high point earners are spread evenly among the Ajahs. The thought that Lily and Meesha might be on the same team frightens me.

 

So it looks like we need two more people to get the majority. For all we know, we might be unable to get it before the end of the day. If we continue to get rif of people who are actively participating then soon we might be unable to get the majority on anything and the game will be as good as dead. Does anyone really need another argument in favour of lynching/nightilling the inactives? While I'm glad that we've found the Keeper, whoever nightkilled Min at this point in the game didn't do a good service to it. I'd like to ask teams who are considering using a nightkill this night to choose among the inactives.

 

Myst, you are an awesome mafia player. I remember how you played in the HP game. That was brilliant. (The same can be said about the entire HP game, by the way, but that's another story). Though this game does get somewhat stale at times, especially when Dragon gets held back by RL (hope he returns to full activity soon and the game will pick up speed). By the way, I don't remember you voting. Could you, please, vote for someone (preferably, Vanion, so that we could have a better chance of getting the majority  ;) ).

[Mystica]

sure, Luddy.

 

I just want to say this, I know what it's like to have a father and a mother die on me and I know for an absolute fact that in that situation I couldn't have cared less about any sort of game or what would happen to me in it or (to be absolutely blunt) whether I needed to be sensitive to my other players or not and post a LOA or a request to be replaced or whatever. When in that situation things tend to fall into perspective and let's face it, a maffia game isn't exactly the end of the world when dealing with a family loss. I'm sure Van has other, much more important things on his mind right now and can do without anyone else creating a heap of unnecessary drama on his behalf. Let the man be in peace, regardless where you stand in this. We don't know his situation prior to us knowing his father was ill, nore should we know as that's his private affair. Things happen and they rarely happen to fit in our preferred schedule. If I had known this game would drag on as it did I wouldn't have signed up either, but I did and to tell me now that I shouldn't have signed up at all because I turned out to be inactive is water under the bridge.

 

At the same time, this IS a game and the overall consencus was to kill off the inactives (which now includes me). I agree with Luddy that killing of several active players in a NK was not the best strategy at this point, as you might have needed those for the lynching of the inactives. Let's hope for your sake that you still have enough active players to do so. Lynching Van is perfectly ok at this stage, as he has been part of the inactive group since the beginning. It has nothing whatsoever to do with his dad but falls in line with the accepted and agreed upon strategy that we would use so long as inactives were around still.

 

For that reason and to help speed things along, I vote [glow=red,2,300]Vanion[/glow]. Tomorrow you can kill off me or Greenshirt or whoever else is inactive. It would be great if we could kill off all inactives in one go, but that's not how it works. Unless, of course, the NK of the coming night kill off the inactives, in which case the problem is solved and you can all get on with it.

[Ludmian]

Great! Thanks Myst. Now one more vote is needed if I counted them correctly.

[Zania]

I do feel for what Van is going thru but we do need to move the game along so [glow=red,2,300]Vanion[/glow] it is

[Charis alAslan]

Luddy, did you vote?  ???

[mmeeshal]

Luddy, did you vote?  ???

:D Charis, I was wondering the same thing, so I went back and checked.

 

I feel a little bad for doing this, knowing the reasons for his absense and what he has gone through, but, just like Talya, I doubt he'll come back to the game at this point, and lynching inactives is still a priority.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vanion[/glow]

 

 

 

Hm, as for Vanion and his father and all this; Lily, I'm really with Talya here.  He was already barely active, more inactive than anything, way before this happened, and it's not logical for us to make a special exception to our agreed upon rules just to keep him in a game he's clearly not interested in.  This game is a game, not RL, and by your own argument it's becoming low-priority to you, and I know you're not the only one.  Of all people, Vanion is the one who likely cares about it the least, since he's got much more important stuff to think about.

Your defense of him on the basis of what's happening in his life right now doesn't make sense.  We're not saying, "Vanion's been inactive recently, let's get him!" We're saying, "Vanion has been consistently low-activity or inactive.  He's had the chance to show up before this happened, he never did, and now he has more reason to be gone than he did before. It works out for all of us if he's the next one to go."

And that's why I am with Talya here.  This doesn't seem like your typical mafia-game behavior.  You're normally much more rational with this.  I can see you saying, "I don't think it's right," and then subsiding or agreeing when facts opposing your argument are pointed out.  But you're not, and you're letting someone else's RL stuff suddenly influence the way you're going to play the game....  That leads me to believe that you just want Vanion in the game so when he CAN return, you won't be down any Ajah members.

[Charis alAslan]

Ah, thanks for the clear up, Meesh!  :D

 

And yea - that does make sense about Lily. It's likely Vanion's in her Ajah.

 

Have we explored this lovely Gray Ajah yet? *looks around at all the goodies Carios has stacked in the pantry and helps herself*

 

Anyone for a muffin raid?  ;D

[mmeeshal]

:o

 

MUFFINS?

 

I'm in.  WAY in.  Way WAY WAY in.  MUFFINS!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

[Tynaal Consen]

I feel trrible for not posting atm.. but there isnt really anything I feel I need to say

[Talya]

Oh I forgot that we were in the Grey Ajah, there are bound to be some goodies...*Disappears into the pantry where sounds of packets being opened, munching an crunching is heard, then a screech as chocolate is found*

[Torrie]

I don't know if it matters or not but I guess I will go with [glow=red,2,300]Van[/glow] also. Lily I woul dhave voted for GS if it was not already determined that VAn would be voted off. I feel like he should have had a few days to post more.

 

But to be fair he really did not post a lot before anything personal started going on with him. I am sure he will understand.