I think i figured it out (about perrin)

[purplemonster]

long have i sat and read these books, almost constantly, and now i am pretty sure what is meant by wolf king (i bring this up because people seem to think the wolves will call him king) either the rise of manetheran or the broken crown...

 

I find it more likely that it would be the broken crown mainly because perrin gave up rights to manetheron... ok im finally glad to actually voice my opinion now, who thinks im crazy?

(i say this because nine times outta ten im wrong) :-\

[mb]

I think the term relates more to Perrin being a wolfbrother than to Perrin ruling any nation.

Though if the term were to relate to a nation, Saldaea would be it because I heard that the wolf was its emblem; though I am not sure.

 

[lordofsoup]

Falie also mentions something about a broken crown

[Jehaine]

*nods* The Saldaean crown is called the Broken Crown actually.

[Reiver]

Queen of Saldea isn't going to marry (prologue of CoT iirc) so her heir is Davram Bashere whose heir is Faile. So faile should inherit the crown but a couple of deths will have to happen before the last battle to enable Perrin to be a King there.

[purplemonster]

I think the term relates more to Perrin being a wolfbrother than to Perrin ruling any nation

 

 

him being a wolfbrother is part of what i meant, the fact that he is practically a wolf himself to be crowned a king, lol, shoulda gotten that part more clear

 

as for the broken crown thing yea its a long shot but wolves dont have kings they have pack leaders and such, so being a king of humans while still a wolf himself

[Alderthal]

I think it's a sort of title that people would call Perrin by like the current goldeneyes, or consider him by. Like when we say King Lionheart -> we mean King Richard the Lionheart.

 

That or that's how the Seanchean address him.

 

Personally, I'm looking forward to finding out what happens to Perrin at the end of AMOL, since I truly do believe he will either rule Manetharen, or at the very least, a very significant HUGE part of Randland post TG.

 

 

[Sabio]

Well I don't think alot of the Borderland rulers will survive the last battle and her dad most likely won't survive either.  Though some suggest he is a DF.  Either way chances are good after the last battle Saldea will have a new king and queen.

[Durinax]

if Perrin becomes a King it will be of Manetheren, Faile will not allow it to die and she will not be heir to the throne through Davram since she ran away. Besides he already holds Ghealden and that was a large part of Manetheren. I think by Wolf King they mean about how he will lead the wolves into the last battle, through some Taveren twist of fate

[Guest The Thin Inn Keeper]

if Perrin becomes a King it will be of Manetheren,

How does it get seperated from Andor? It is, after all, part of the most powerful state in pre-war Randland, which happens to be ruled by one of the Dragons harem.

 

Why all the references to the Broken Crown? Red herrings?

Faile will not allow it to die and she will not be heir to the throne through Davram since she ran away.

Her parents have met her husband and approved. Remember the "your mother strengthening the blood" and the "all noble houses started off with a commoner" comments Bashere makes to Perrin? The in-laws liked him.

 

Why would she be cut out of the line of succcession?

 

She's 3rd in line for the throne, sure, but why would anyone else be paying too much attention to that? We're only paying attention to it because of the broken crown prophecy.

Besides he already holds Ghealden and that was a large part of Manetheren.

Which is a sovereign state, with a living queen.

 

If Alliandre survives the final book, Perrin isn't the sort of person to strip her of her power.

[Durinax]

If he gets pieces from Andor it is most likely he will get it through a twist of taveren luck, and Elayne deciding it is better to chase the Cairheinen throne rather than fight for land that is just a line on a map

 

yes but the current queen is a hothead and could stir things up, I would support it more but I cannot remember what happens when Davram and her meet

 

plus a King does not micro manage the land, instead he could establish her as say an leader of a powerful house that manages most of Ghealden

[MikeRiley]

If I had to guess it, I would say Morgaise would realize Perrin's intentions and speak with Elayne regarding Manetheren. Elayne might not push for control of the Two Rivers once she realizes Perrin saved her mother. He would rule the land as an ally of Andor. Andor didn't protect the Two Rivers and it would have been destroyed so at the least he would be named a lord and given control over it. Not that I think he would settle for that, really. Blacksmith or not, his wife is ambitious.

 

As was said, wolf king would just be a title of his.

[Jethro]

Yea I think Wolfkin is merely a descriptive name for him, like Lord of the Morning for Rand/Lews. Nothing major

[Mr Ares]

if Perrin becomes a King it will be of Manetheren

Why?

Faile will not allow it to die

Why? Also, she's 2,000 years too late. Manetheren died a long time ago.

and she will not be heir to the throne through Davram since she ran away.

False. We know she is second in line, even after she ran away.

 

If he gets pieces from Andor it is most likely he will get it through a twist of taveren luck

Why would he still be ta'veren?

and Elayne deciding it is better to chase the Cairheinen throne rather than fight for land that is just a line on a map

She can do both.

 

plus a King does not micro manage the land, instead he could establish her as say an leader of a powerful house that manages most of Ghealden

Why should the leader of a former sovereign nation accept her country being subsumed into one 2,000 years dead to satisfy a Saldaean heiresses dreams of empire?

[ROB_88]

i think that Perrin made a promise to someone (not sure who, but i think Seanchan) that he would never try to revive Manetheren.

something about oath-breakings that they don't like

[Jethro]

Wasnt it Moiraine, and she made him promise it because she had seen something from Rhuidean?

[Tel Janin]

Wasnt it Moiraine, and she made him promise it because she had seen something from Rhuidean?

 

Nope.  It's in KoD, Chapter 4.  Perrin hands General Tylee the banner of Manetheren and tells her that he will relinquish all claim of restoring Manetheren in Emond's Field and the Two Rivers for her assistance in helping rescue Faile.

 

This link is helpful in researching things like this, or when you need a refresher on the summary...

 

http://encyclopaedia-wot.org:8008/books/index.html

 

:)

[Guest The Thin Inn Keeper]

through a twist of taveren luck, and Elayne deciding it is better to chase the Cairheinen throne rather than fight for land that is just a line on a map

Yet Morgase and Elayne have clearly stated that they are desperate to keep Andor together.

 

And you can really see Perrin and Elayne fighting over Manetheran? Perrin and Elayne?

yes but the current queen is a hothead and could stir things up, I would support it more but I cannot remember what happens when Davram and her meet

Uhhh... essentially, she has an arguement with her mother and gets slapped in the process, and gives one back. But, them being Saldeans Deira bows to Davram when he turns up.

 

Davram states that he's p*ssed about the running off and all, but that, essentially, Perrin seems like a good match, and that the wife agrees with her daughters choice, and that the Bashere blood needs strenghtening.

 

He then makes light of the fact Perrin is a commoner.

 

They get on nicely it seems.

plus a King does not micro manage the land, instead he could establish her as say an leader of a powerful house that manages most of Ghealden

That'd be an very odd series of events.

Why should the leader of a former sovereign nation accept her country being subsumed into one 2,000 years dead to satisfy a Saldaean heiresses dreams of empire?

Exactly.

Why? Also, she's 2,000 years too late. Manetheren died a long time ago.

Chuckles.:)

[Durinax]

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Why should the leader of a former sovereign nation accept her country being subsumed into one 2,000 years dead to satisfy a Saldaean heiresses dreams of empire?

 

Exactly.

 

She already gave her power to him when she swore an oath to serve him

[Tyrell]

Durinax has it here, Alliandre swore fealty.

[Mr Ares]

Why should the leader of a former sovereign nation accept her country being subsumed into one 2' date='000 years dead to satisfy a Saldaean heiress's dreams of empire?[/quote']Exactly.

She already gave her power to him when she swore an oath to serve him

So, when TG is over and done with, and Alliandre asks to be released from her oath to Perrin, he's going to say, "Nah, the wife wants me to bring back Manetheren. Soz"? And if he does, she's just going to stand there and take it? It may not go against the letter of the oath, but it certainly goes against the spirit, and doesn't seem all that Perrinish to me.

[General Cauthon]

I can only imagine Perrin ruling more then Saldaea(and the Two Rivers), is if a nation he saved from trollocs during Tarmon Gaidon, lacks a ruler after it all calms down. Lets say that Alliandre dies. The people of Ghealdan would beg the one who saved their life to be their king.

If Ituralde dies, and Perrin arrange a thruce with the Seanchan(Mat & wife), perhaps the Council of Merchants will ask him to be king?

 

I don't think this is likely to happen, but it seems to me that Perrins role post-TG is to be a powerful ruler.

[ventage]

if you know... perrin survives??