Traitors

[Bob T Dwarf]

I haven't seen much about those who are currently and actively betraying the Light.  Since I don't believe for a second that I've identified all of them, I hope others will add to my small start.

 

I'll start with Rand's attack on Rahvin.  At the time he makes his snap decision, only Asmodean, Moiraine, Egwene, Aviendha, and Mat are with him.  So far as the books tell us they are the only ones he tells about what he intends to do.  His orders regarding the Aiel are general.  He will be leaving.  He will take men, but no women.  That's it.

 

Yet, the next morning, when Nynaeve captures her, Moghedien knows exactly what Rand is up to.  How?

 

Asmodean is too terrified of what any of the Forsaken would do to him on sight to have been the traitor.

Moiraine goes to her room, both to prepare for her confrontation with Lanfear, and to write her two letters.  She didn't do it.

Mat foolishly blabs it to Melindhra, but then has to kill her before she can pass it on.  So the info didn't come from Mat.

Egwene returns to her room.  And stays there.  It wasn't her.

Aviendha, on-the-other-hand, declines to spend the evening with Egwene.

"I must tell Amys what I have promised to do tomorrow.  And I must be in Rand al'Thor's sleeping chamber when he comes."

 

So, Amys was the only outsider to learn of the plan.  She is also a Dreamwalker.  She could easily meet with Moggy and pass along information.  She is also the primary Wise One insisting on Egwene always being accompanied when she visits T'a'R.  Why?  To protect Egwene from the unseen pitfalls there?  Not likely.  Mollycoddling isn't really the Aiel way.  But, having her under wraps does insure that she won't stumble across anything she isn't supposed to see.

 

Conclusion:  For reasons unknown, but maybe having to do with trying to insure that Rhuarc's tribe is the 'remnant of a remnant,' Amys is Moggy's spy among the Aiel.

[trakand_01]

Has Min met Amys? Did she have any viewings of her? What about Perrin - did he smell anything odd?

 

I dont doubt that Egwene could be fooled - she is intelligent, but quite trusting, but Min and Perrin, I think they'd sense something.

[Bob T Dwarf]

So far as I know, Amys has not been around when either of them were present.

 

Just a random thought, but Amys could be pronounced amiss.

[DemandredFO]

Nice catch Bob.  That would make sense because Ingtar became a darkfriend to save Sheinar, it would make sense that some wiseones would become darkfriends to ensure theirs are the 'remenant of the remananent'.  I dont know about Perrin but as far as I know the only viewing of a wiseone min has had was Melaine.

[RAND AL THOR]

I really loved Amys ever since she was introduced. If she turns out to be a DF I might just scream.

 

Bob, you are making me scared to even touch AMOL. :'(

[DemandredFO]

I'm sure there were many people that were upset when Ingtar was revealed to be a darkfriend.  If Amys is revealed to be a darkfriend I'm sure she won't be the only one we like

[RAND AL THOR]

I'm sure there were many people that were upset when Ingtar was revealed to be a darkfriend.

 

*nods rapidly*

I am one of those people. Though 'shocked' would be more accurate than 'upset.'

[Bob T Dwarf]

I really loved Amys ever since she was introduced. If she turns out to be a DF I might just scream.

 

Bob, you are making me scared to even touch AMOL. :'(

 

The eraser end of a pencil works pretty well for turning pages  ;)

 

Have you considered gloves?  :D

[WaterMelonHead]

Who is Amys

[Llewin]

As much as Ingtar's 'outing' was shocking...for Amys to be a darkfriend would be beyond shocking... I won't say it's impossible because that is simply not true...but I do not want to believe it...

 

However, lets also consider that Moghedien is the best of the forsaken at hiding and watching the actions of others...she could have been hiding in plain sight around Cairhien...

[Cockta]

Who is Amys

 

That seriously made me laugh hard!

[Lille]

However, lets also consider that Moghedien is the best of the forsaken at hiding and watching the actions of others...she could have been hiding in plain sight around Cairhien...

 

Or she could have been spying on the Wise Ones in TAR, and if Amys told someone in TAR, Moghedien could have heared it there and therefor know about the plan. I doubt Amys is a Darkfriend, and I would be truly dissapointed if she turned out to be one.

[icspots]

So far as I know, Amys has not been around when either of them were present.

 

Just a random thought, but Amys could be pronounced amiss.

 

Amys was with the Aiel who went with Perrin to rescue Rand at Dumai's Wells.

[Bob T Dwarf]

Which means neither that Perrin got close enough to her to smell anything from her, nor that he didn't.

 

Since nothing is mentioned in that regard I can only take it that however close he may have gotten to her, he detected nothing.

[deathgate]

Or she could have been spying on the Wise Ones in TAR, and if Amys told someone in TAR, Moghedien could have heared it there and therefor know about the plan.

 

Moghedian mentioned something about how the Wise Ones dreams were warded but it was easy to break.

[benr]

Being too lazy to check:  do we have the scene where Avi tells Amys?  If not, there could have been other Wise Ones there.

[Bob T Dwarf]

There could have been little green men from Mars, too, IF we're willing to indulge in enough idle speculation.

 

Let's stick to what the book tells us.  And, the book only mentions Aviendha telling Amys.

[Ashaman Kovan]

How do you know it wasn't moiraine? Maybe something in the rings of rhuidean told her than it was neccesary for the shadow to know certain information that she had the means of conveying. Ehhh ehhh..Probably not but it stirs the discussion up a bit maybe.

[Bob T Dwarf]

Again, idle speculation leading nowhere but around in circles.

[Ashaman Kovan]

Yeah I sort of said that as I posted it. I think it's a pretty lame thing to even be discussing at this point myself but still like I said. I just threw it in there because it IS a possibility very very unlikely but still. Just to stir up the convo.

[benr]

There could have been little green men from Mars, too, IF we're willing to indulge in enough idle speculation.

 

Let's stick to what the book tells us.  And, the book only mentions Aviendha telling Amys.

 

Gee, Bob, sorry to throw a wet blanket on your theory.  The book DOESN'T tell us that Avi only told Amys, only that she intended to tell Amys.  What actually happened is a mystery.  Maybe Avi didn't tell her at all...

[Bob T Dwarf]

In general, I'm in favor of leaving as many options open as possible.

 

But, when the author is kind enough to leave us a clear trail of bread-crumbs, it seems rather silly to fail to follow it to where it leads.  Especially on nothing but speculation that it might lead somewhere else.

[benr]

This trail of breadcrumbs leads to ????  But, to be fair, your interpretation is the most logical that I can come up with.  And I wouldn't be upset if the Aiel had a major DF, even Amys;  the Wise Ones have been too goody-goody up to this point; too over confident in their own "rightness", whether they are with the Shaido or Rand.  IF she is a DF, I hope she gets her come-uppance from Egwene.

[Llewin]

Or she could have been spying on the Wise Ones in TAR, and if Amys told someone in TAR, Moghedien could have heared it there and therefor know about the plan.

 

Moghedian mentioned something about how the Wise Ones dreams were warded but it was easy to break.

 

I dont remember moghedien talking about being able to break through anyone's dream ward...

[Bob T Dwarf]

And, I'm sorry if I seemed harsh.

 

I was just trying to demonstrate that since this is fantasy, technically anything is possible if you're willing to speculate creatively enough.  Even that the Creator, for reasons unknown, whispered it into Moggy's shell-like ear.