[GAME OVER - TOWN WINS] Dragon and Swift

Tephulis · May 29

Point is that SD's last gameplay is being used, and this is exactly how Tig played the last 2 games. Don't understand your confusion on this

Leelou · May 29

I’m not confused at all. I’m asking is it AI for Tigs to be MIA. I was asking if she played 2 games, because the one I followed she was semi active and neither town or scum aligned.

Leelou · May 29

So are you voting her for pure inactivity or trying to say this is AI for her?

Ithillian Turambar · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 2:10 PM, Tephulis said:

Point is that SD's last gameplay is being used, and this is exactly how Tig played the last 2 games. Don't understand your confusion on this

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The point is that he was misrepresenting his own gameplay. How has he ALWAYS been a lightning rod.

But I see how you angle your defence.

Please tell me again your reasons for voting Tigs before ALL of the other players in this game

berf · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 1:34 PM, peacesells said:

Real quick before the shower Berf asked about the 3rd vote thing.

skimmy berf is a scummy berf.

I mean several people have referenced my actions here to claim ignorance.

bye.

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...do you seriously not expect a vote count to go above 2 before we all pause and wait for you to cast the third? I feel like that's kind of ridiculous to the point that I can't believe it's actually a thing and I'm clearly missing something.

For what's it's worth I do remember reading this on my morning update now you've bought it back, but it didn't seem relevant or ...really understandable from where I sit. It sounded like meta talk and I don't game hard enough to make any use of it. I freely admit I disregarded this as soon as I read it.

Also - not skimming, definitely read everything but will admit definitely not remembering details that feel irrelevant. Such as this 3rd vote business.

Also also, I was voting SD because I had done my catch up and felt ready to vote. Hardly my fault Turin got in whilst I was post composing I'm pretty sure, which took me from 2nd to 3rd voter.

Even had I remembered the 3rd vote stuff from your corner, I still would have voted SD tbh. I don't see a reason not to once I'd gathered what I deemed enough info to cast it. 48hr turnaround for town and playing from Australian time zones means I'm making sure my vote is somewhere I want it to be as soon as I feel I have enough to go by.

Ithillian Turambar · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 2:17 PM, berf said:

...do you seriously not expect a vote count to go above 2 before we all pause and wait for you to cast the third? I feel like that's kind of ridiculous to the point that I can't believe it's actually a thing and I'm clearly missing something.

For what's it's worth I do remember reading this on my morning update now you've bought it back, but it didn't seem relevant or ...really understandable from where I sit. It sounded like meta talk and I don't game hard enough to make any use of it. I freely admit I disregarded this as soon as I read it.

Also - not skimming, definitely read everything but will admit definitely not remembering details that feel irrelevant. Such as this 3rd vote business.

Also also, I was voting SD because I had done my catch up and felt ready to vote. Hardly my fault Turin got in whilst I was post composing I'm pretty sure, which took me from 2nd to 3rd voter.

Even had I remembered the 3rd vote stuff from your corner, I still would have voted SD tbh. I don't see a reason not to once I'd gathered what I deemed enough info to cast it. 48hr turnaround for town and playing from Australian time zones means I'm making sure my vote is somewhere I want it to be as soon as I feel I have enough to go by.

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That's a big long post that no-one needed lol

Leelou · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 2:10 PM, Tephulis said:

Point is that SD's last gameplay is being used, and this is exactly how Tig played the last 2 games. Don't understand your confusion on this

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Do you think SD is town?

Leelou · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 2:19 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

That's a big long post that no-one needed lol

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Too wordy, one might say

berf · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 2:19 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

That's a big long post that no-one needed lol

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I just don't know if the 3rd vote thing is real or not 😕

Like if I actually stepped on toes by voting where I did in the order or if it's just... Waffle.

Ithillian Turambar · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 2:22 PM, berf said:

I just don't know if the 3rd vote thing is real or not 😕

Like if I actually stepped on toes by voting where I did in the order or if it's just... Waffle.

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Lmao. Because you're worried about stepping on toes?

I guess we could instigate a take a ticket system.

Apart from there'd be an empty room for 2 days and then a big rush right at the end.

DPR · May 29

These are the storyboards up to the current time. They show Derala, Krentiss, Lady Utair, Elsie and the courier. Then we have the journey south, Mita, Rayl and the pirates and a monk. Then the journey to the atoll, the lagoon, and some of the creatures (thank you dice!) Then the storm, the bad guys (there are no hints here, it’s just what AI decided to generate lol) and Derala facing them down.

berf · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 2:28 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Lmao. Because you're worried about stepping on toes?

I guess we could instigate a take a ticket system.

Apart from there'd be an empty room for 2 days and then a big rush right at the end.

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Like not overly. But I feel a bit behind the meta tbh, so felt it best to check if there's some weird unspoken taboo I'm breaking because that's what I'm sort of taking from Peace's comments.

He had reserved 3rd vote on any forming train? That sounds weird to me, but also just within the realm of possibility that it's some weird custom that could have sprung up around here.

It's also likely a joke that's just gone right by me.

At any rate, the actual prod coming from peace is based on me skimming, which I think is pretty weak, as addressed. I be reading.

Tephulis · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 2:19 PM, Leelou said:

Do you think SD is town?

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Tbh, I have him as a scum lean. After last game it sits bad with me to have nonposters skate through the day with no pressure. Do I think Tigs is mafia, not really enough to go on atm. I guess the same argument could be made for Ed as well...

Leelou · May 29

@ed2funy @dicetosser1 @Tigraine

any thoughts so far?

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 2:49 PM, Tephulis said:

Tbh, I have him as a scum lean. After last game it sits bad with me to have nonposters skate through the day with no pressure. Do I think Tigs is mafia, not really enough to go on atm. I guess the same argument could be made for Ed as well...

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If you have scum leans, why are voting for a policy instead? Why are you not discussing your reads? Why are you not justifying your vote? Why are you instead of any of these things trying to score points against Ithi about who has the worst case, especially when you say you have a scum lean on who she is voting for? The only reasons you have given for your suspicions that I can see is activity, though you also have other reads according to you that you haven't shared.

How is your play helping town aside from pointing out inactivity is bad?

You may well be struggling for time, but what is your justification for what you are spending your time on?

Shad_ · May 29

Read page 19

I hereby declare Ithi a villager by rule of too many people called her a villager with good reasons for her to not be one. See, I told you I'd solve her indirectly lol

Really though that is a position I believe in. Sometimes the thread vibe is just either villagers have good reason to trust this person or else wolves know they're never getting this person mislynched and conceded to clear them and Ithi is very much in that sphere.

Dice made his first Dicey post, I need to see more but have no concerns about him yet.

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 4:06 PM, Shad_ said:

Read page 19

I hereby declare Ithi a villager by rule of too many people called her a villager with good reasons for her to not be one. See, I told you I'd solve her indirectly lol

Really though that is a position I believe in. Sometimes the thread vibe is just either villagers have good reason to trust this person or else wolves know they're never getting this person mislynched and conceded to clear them and Ithi is very much in that sphere.

Dice made his first Dicey post, I need to see more but have no concerns about him yet.

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Wait, what?

You're sheeping other people so that clears Ithi? I don't follow this argument at all. I think it has been established that a good player - and Ithi in particular - can hoodwink the majority of the game.

Giving her a free pass as she has convinced other people seems incredibly trusting.

Now to be clear, I'm leaning town on Ithi but this seems spectacularly lazy and bad reasoning not to suspect someone.

Maybe that is just me *shrugs* never claimed to be any good at this but instincts are all I have to go on.

*adds Ithi and Shad back to the keep at arm's length list"

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · May 29

Bah, *my instincts* I meant to say. Honestly if I could use someone else's I would.

Gudrean · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 1:24 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

And for those of you who don't like to read I shall state my case again.

In song form!

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Okay, that song was fire!!! And now @SinisterDeath will go down in history.

Unless of course this was written for a different pirate, LOL

Gudrean · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 1:26 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I don't think pushing for vites just for the sake of votes is a good thing, but pushing people to play definitely is.

We need to know what is on people's minds even details about null reads, about uncertainties. That info allows people to form reads and respond to them which allows reads on the responses and so on.

Keeping thoughts to yourself, discussing non-game issues, memeing, make everything more difficult for town.

For example, Gudrean, you were defending an attack on Teph. Is this because you think he is town? For what reasoning? Do you think the criticism was wolf motivated? Or was it a dry, I'm taking this point out of context so I'm not leaning town or mafia on anyone.

Everyone can of course play however they want, but sharing thoughts and interacting with others are pro-town moves, IMHO at least. At the moment Gudrean you seem a bit removed from the thread, unwilling to share your thoughts and that is suspicious. Plus to reach a hammer we don't want to leave it too late to start trains as that would make it too easy for the wolves to dictate which elimination options there are, as I see it. So no one must vote, hut the later you leave it the less meaningful choice you will have, and the less chance your vote will pressure someone into doing something if there are already established trains you don't like.

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Right now I do think he is town, but it wasn't me defending him as much as making sure the requests are equal across the board.

As for the mentions from you and others of my presence in the thread, I am always here. I read and only respond to what I have something to say about. I'm not one to talk just to talk and you who have played with me know this. Especially in the beginning of a game. Also I shared my thoughts on players I had thoughts on including you a few pages back.

Gudrean · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 1:52 PM, Leelou said:

Do you think he’s town?

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It's easy to just say no I don't think he's town but is it because he's been in my eyes so much this game already or due to his content. atp I'm not convinced either way which is why I didn't just jump on a vote for him.

Tephulis · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 4:04 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

If you have scum leans, why are voting for a policy instead? Why are you not discussing your reads? Why are you not justifying your vote? Why are you instead of any of these things trying to score points against Ithi about who has the worst case, especially when you say you have a scum lean on who she is voting for? The only reasons you have given for your suspicions that I can see is activity, though you also have other reads according to you that you haven't shared.

How is your play helping town aside from pointing out inactivity is bad?

You may well be struggling for time, but what is your justification for what you are spending your time on?

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Right now I'm spending time building CNC machines...hard to do a lot with hrease up to your elbows

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 12:24 PM, Gudrean said:

saving my thoughts for later

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On 5/29/2025 at 4:33 PM, Gudrean said:

Right now I do think he is town, but it wasn't me defending him as much as making sure the requests are equal across the board.

As for the mentions from you and others of my presence in the thread, I am always here. I read and only respond to what I have something to say about. I'm not one to talk just to talk and you who have played with me know this. Especially in the beginning of a game. Also I shared my thoughts on players I had thoughts on including you a few pages back.

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I'm just encouraging you to share your thoughts. It is not just about letting us see your thought process but about adding to the material that everyone can build on. Plus it makes any inconsistencies more readily apparent. Like, you know, someone saying they aren't sharing their thoughts and saying they are. Just as a wild example 😛

HeavyHalfMoonBlade · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 5:00 PM, Tephulis said:

Right now I'm spending time building CNC machines...hard to do a lot with hrease up to your elbows

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I'm 100% sure it is. But that doesn't answer what you are prioritizing spending time on. You are giving off very sus vibes. If you are town, it would be great when you have a moment if you could work on that.

peacesells · May 29

On 5/29/2025 at 11:21 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Just to give my thoughts on the gif "spam".

I think they are spam and deflection. I totally get that is not necessarily how they are meant, but even if someone is posting the "I don't believe you" meme to convey exactly that, it is impossible to read tone, to judge sincerity, to get a feel of the poster. It's like wearing a mask and playing a message recorded by someone else. It adds the bare minimum to the conversation, so looks like coasting to me.

In this instance, Ithi said it was because it was night, though in this case it was a rather special night. Also many have pointed out it was game related, but I don't think it was contributing in the real sense of the word. Not at least if that is your only contribution, which obviously for Ithi it wasn't, but then it becomes a judgement call of how much is too much?

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Dude...you may not like the way/shape/form someone responds but those are real game play responses. Better than Turin "hide his posts" crap. Anyway, gifs show dismissiveness, agitation, sarcasm, agreement etc. They also are a better display of the emotion that the poster is feeling in the moment than the written word. Heck, half of DPR's game is gifs....haven't seen you complain about it before.

On 5/29/2025 at 12:24 PM, Gudrean said:

saving my thoughts for later

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Yeah...not helpful. Save this stuff to your own personal message like I do. I just send things to myself that I want to get back to later. Otherwise it just looks like an opportunity to get some gullible towny to latch onto and make your fake case for you.

On 5/29/2025 at 1:47 PM, SinisterDeath said:

It's AI garbage from Suno.

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Certainly from your perspective...I loved it. 😛

On 5/29/2025 at 1:47 PM, Leelou said:

My, my. I think I just got a town lean on you.

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Did you and Heavy set this whole exchange up? It looks like you two set it up.

On 5/29/2025 at 2:10 PM, Tephulis said:

Point is that SD's last gameplay is being used, and this is exactly how Tig played the last 2 games. Don't understand your confusion on this

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This statement is true and there has been "you did this as scum last time" on the SD case from both Ithi and me. I'd love to get a real train going on Tig because the slanks and hammers as scum.

But..I'd like to see some real friggin input from you on the whole playfield first. Heck, maybe both of you are scum and you are parking a vote for later reference...like that matters in a no coroner game.

Do work dude or not/shrug

On 5/29/2025 at 2:17 PM, berf said:

...do you seriously not expect a vote count to go above 2 before we all pause and wait for you to cast the third? I feel like that's kind of ridiculous to the point that I can't believe it's actually a thing and I'm clearly missing something.

For what's it's worth I do remember reading this on my morning update now you've bought it back, but it didn't seem relevant or ...really understandable from where I sit. It sounded like meta talk and I don't game hard enough to make any use of it. I freely admit I disregarded this as soon as I read it.

Also - not skimming, definitely read everything but will admit definitely not remembering details that feel irrelevant. Such as this 3rd vote business.

Also also, I was voting SD because I had done my catch up and felt ready to vote. Hardly my fault Turin got in whilst I was post composing I'm pretty sure, which took me from 2nd to 3rd voter.

Even had I remembered the 3rd vote stuff from your corner, I still would have voted SD tbh. I don't see a reason not to once I'd gathered what I deemed enough info to cast it. 48hr turnaround for town and playing from Australian time zones means I'm making sure my vote is somewhere I want it to be as soon as I feel I have enough to go by.

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On 5/29/2025 at 2:22 PM, berf said:

I just don't know if the 3rd vote thing is real or not 😕

Like if I actually stepped on toes by voting where I did in the order or if it's just... Waffle.

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On 5/29/2025 at 2:45 PM, berf said:

Like not overly. But I feel a bit behind the meta tbh, so felt it best to check if there's some weird unspoken taboo I'm breaking because that's what I'm sort of taking from Peace's comments.

He had reserved 3rd vote on any forming train? That sounds weird to me, but also just within the realm of possibility that it's some weird custom that could have sprung up around here.

It's also likely a joke that's just gone right by me.

At any rate, the actual prod coming from peace is based on me skimming, which I think is pretty weak, as addressed. I be reading.

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Berf...thank you thank you thank you. I really got a good laugh on this whole sequence.

FYI I would really have placed the 3rd vote on SD but you beat me to it. No, you technically didn't have to wait but I did call dibs. No i know you just don't follow sibling/bro code. Dibs matters Berf...remember that.

The sleep, shower and 2 hour wasted drive to see a property gave me no clues on how to solve this game without blind luck. No wagonomics and such. So it going to be pure Vote and Hope.

SD is top of my list still. Even with Shads misgivings with him being so overt...not out of character imo.

There is a dynamic between Heavy and Leelou that triggers me. Need a full reread to sus that out.

Tig...non existent. Same as last game as scum. Problem here is odds right? The last game played SD and Tig were both scum exhibiting the same characteristics but no way twice in a roll right?

DPR did say he isnt a bastard mod....but I'm starting to have my doubts. (before you pipe in DPR...i kid...i kid...but reallly?)

VOTE SD

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