Camp Dreadfall Mafia Game -- GAME OVER -- MAFIA WIN!

[Tigraine]

@peacesells idk because I've been focused on his insistence that Heavy hasn't contributed when I disagree.  Just as I was with you over SD.  But it's been about more than your sus on SD.  Now youre doubling down on Teph like he was the one you were after the whole time and it reads disingenuous to me.  So, you get your wish. I'm voting

 

 

VOTE: PEACE

 

 

[dicetosser1]

I’m currently 8 pages behind will catch up as fast as possible but try to keep flipping back to the most recents too

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count

 

Peace (5) - Eddie, DPR, GKEP, Teph, Tig

SD (3) - Darthe, Peace, Turin

Turin (2) - SD, Heavy

 

 

With 11 alive it's 6 to Hammer. 

 

Peace is at L-1.

 

Not voting (1): Dice

 

End of Day 1

 

Deadline is in 44 minutes.

[peacesells]

1 minute ago, Tigraine said:

@peacesells idk because I've been focused on his insistence that Heavy hasn't contributed when I disagree.  Just as I was with you over SD.  But it's been about more than your sus on SD.  Now youre doubling down on Teph like he was the one you were after the whole time and it reads disingenuous to me.  So, you get your wish. I'm voting

 

 

VOTE: PEACE

 

 

oh...you were so close.  

[Turin Turambar]

1 minute ago, Tigraine said:

@peacesells idk because I've been focused on his insistence that Heavy hasn't contributed when I disagree.  Just as I was with you over SD.  But it's been about more than your sus on SD.  Now youre doubling down on Teph like he was the one you were after the whole time and it reads disingenuous to me.  So, you get your wish. I'm voting

 

 

VOTE: PEACE

 

 

Did you.kmow Dice unvote?

[peacesells]

Just now, Turin Turambar said:

Did you.kmow Dice unvote?

lol..I don't think she did.  She's been wanting to hammer so bad.

[DPR]

Unvote

 

while dice catches up

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Why are people trying to hammer with so little time left and Peace leading anyway? Would be wrong to think that is a bit sus? 

 

Have to say I'm with Ithi, when the DL is 4 the morning it was much more civilised, lol

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count

 

Peace (4) - Eddie, GKEP, Teph, Tig

SD (3) - Darthe, Peace, Turin

Turin (2) - SD, Heavy

 

 

With 11 alive it's 6 to Hammer. 

 

Peace is at L-2.

 

Not voting (2): Dice, DPR

 

End of Day 1

 

Deadline is in 40 minutes.

[Darthe]

7 hours ago, DPR said:

@Turin Turambar just for the pure fun of it, have you ever nabbed a wolf from an opening post? 

There was a fellow, it wasn’t DAP but it was someone similar from the same time period who I can’t remember the name of.  I remember I had their tone absolutely down, and in their first post they used a period where they normally wouldn’t have.  I knew they were a wolf on a “glad to be here” type post based on the punctuation.  Got em lynched.  Flipped wolf.
 

gods I was strong then

[DPR]

1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Why are people trying to hammer with so little time left and Peace leading anyway? Would be wrong to think that is a bit sus? 

 

Have to say I'm with Ithi, when the DL is 4 the morning it was much more civilised, lol

If dice counters, we have enough time to react

[Gabriel Kross]

On 5/14/2025 at 4:20 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

That is a spectacularly inappropriate metaphor for mafia in my opinion, Sinister. 

 

On 5/14/2025 at 4:40 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Which emotional attachments? Honestly don't get what you mean. 

 

But anyway I don't like how much noise we are making. I think words are important. They have meaning. Asking someone for their top mafia read is completely different for asking how they are willing to eliminate. Not in content but in tone. Tone is important. 

 

It would be good to hear from other people about their thought processes. 

 

On 5/14/2025 at 4:44 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Yes but a new player has intelligence, intuition, and problem solving all at their disposal. Categorizing them as a danger to themselves and to others, is pretty far from the mark and fairly insulting. 

 

Plus in this context I only know Teph hasn't played here, I have no idea about any experience elsewhere. Though asking would probably clear that up, but I personally don't think that experience is quite what some seem to think it is in this game. 

 

On 5/14/2025 at 4:49 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

You forgot inconsistent tone. That is always a favourite regarding me. 

 

But your reasoning is my logic gives you bad vibes? OK. Can't say I find that particularly convincing but I suppose I'm biased. 

 

I don't get this "let's steer the conversation to eliminations" is the same as giving reads argument. Words literally mean things. If you mean reads, say reads. If you mean wtl, use that. Why use different concepts interchangeably? 

 

On 5/14/2025 at 5:05 PM, Gabriel Kross said:

never played Bioshock soooo yeah

we have seen numerous games on this website where a new player fumbled their way into an immediate d1  exist, so much so that "newbie pass" became a thing for awhile, but then we started getting "newbies" that would take advantage of said "newbie pass" and bamboozle the whole game. This game is very volatile and a lot to take in for new players so the metaphor is quite apt, heck it aptly describes even my first game, though I think I survived til day 3.

 

On 5/14/2025 at 5:14 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

So instead of them being treated with respect and them exiting on D1 due to their own play (obviously not the people voting for them) it is better to insult them and treat them like children that are in danger of disrupting your game?

 

Hard disagree. 

 

On 5/14/2025 at 5:19 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Guys if you are really saying that only established players deserve respect I think you need to rethink your biases against new players. 

 

I cannot believe this is even an issue. I'm not ever going to let someone call new players a danger to themselves and those around them without saying something so maybe just stop making or supporting that analogy, however it was meant? 

 

On 5/14/2025 at 5:22 PM, Gabriel Kross said:

 

No one is saying any of the things you've claimed all game... are you sure you're reading the same thread as everyone else?

 

On 5/14/2025 at 5:27 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I am most definitely sure. 

 

On 5/14/2025 at 5:32 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

BS. 

 

The premise is new players are stupid and cannot find their own rear ends with both hands. An unknown quantity does not mean illogical or poor play. 

 

And wolves can only easily jump on new players if you normalise jumping on new players as town behaviour. 

 

Wolves taking advantage of you is part of the game. Having everyone treat you like a second class player because you are new should not be, yet currently is. 

 

I will absolutely die on this hill. This should not be any part of the game, it is insane that you are arguing that new players should be treated differently. 

 

On 5/14/2025 at 9:25 PM, Tigraine said:

 

Gth, I'd have to choose SD because he's the only one I have an actual scum read on.  I just don't like it because of my reasoning for feeling he's scummy.   I was hard-core after Heavy last game at one point because he was so far outside of my town box vibe and he was in fact not scum.

Have i apologized for that yet @HeavyHalfMoonBlade?

 

 

ha! My youngest daughter is named Aviendha and I've taught her to say may you always find  water and shade instead of bye.

 

I only know 1 WoT fan around me so everyone looks at her like she's lost her mind and she doesn't like people so she just gives them evil eye until they walk away.  She's my hero. 

 

On 5/15/2025 at 12:55 PM, Gabriel Kross said:

I made the Gladiator comment, because it's a fun role 

 

the next 2 quotes are together... It's odd because Heavy has been the biggest distraction in this game and yet people are calling minor banter "distracting"

 

23 hours ago, Gabriel Kross said:

I'm going to be real blunt about something, Mafia is not a nice game, it's not meant to be, it's a game where emotions will run hot, people will feel things. Trying to be PC and get your point across is only going to cause miscommunication in a game where communication is the most important thing. This is mostly for @HeavyHalfMoonBlade but also for other newer players too. Sure we aren't going to intentionally belittle a player, but we'll call people out on trash plays, use the terminology that the game has used for over a decade and just be jerks within the game. Take it from someone who actually had a major crash out in one of the last games they played on here. You have to separate the game from your normal self. 

 

23 hours ago, Tephulis said:

I did that for @HeavyHalfMoonBlade as he doesn't care for the L word... just being PC

this goes before the previous quote I was responding to this post, however my focus was more on Heavy's reaction to the new player talk

22 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

 

Teph's paraphrasing does not quite capture what I actually said. I don't like people using the word Lynch as it is my name. Like what people write on envelopes if they want to send me a letter name. But I'm not going to ask people not to use it because of that. It is just a distraction for me personally. 

 

I choose not to use it because I already found it very difficult not to use it in my first game (or maybe second). So if I play dozens of games and then play somewhere it is against the rules or with someone that doesn't like it for better reasons than me, I was anticipating that would be a problem for me. So. I am acting proactively. 

 

Mafia is not a nice game, no, but the people playing have a choice on how they play. You play the way you want and you accept the consequences of that. I don't see this as a difficult concept. 

 

Now can we maybe return to the game?

This is important

22 hours ago, Gabriel Kross said:

except, you had a really big problem with it early game...

again refering to the new player discussion specifically responding to the bold

22 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Except, no I didn't. I used the acronym wte instead of wtl, and other people had a problem. 

 

Are you looking for a reason for an argument or are you misrepping me for other reasons? Honest question. 

Heavy then decides to deflect it with something completely unrelated

22 hours ago, Gabriel Kross said:

do you not remember your crashout on "newplayers" ?

here, I specifically explain what I was talking about

21 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Lol, what has me pushing back against new player bias got to do with lynch/elimination? 

 

Where are you going with this? I'm scratching my head here, lol. You can take that as a rhetorical question. 

 

Though yeah apparently returning to the game isn't an option then. I'd call this distraction more than faffing about when the thread opens. Filling the thread when it should be getting down to business with nonsense that looks enough like wolf hunting to try and pass as being active. Not filling me with town feelings about you. 

Again Heavy tries to deflect it to unrelated discussion yet it somehow cleared him in the eyes of DPR and Darthe.

[Darthe]

Oh shi- I’m at work, 9 pages behind, and DL is in an hour… did not realize it would be right then, I’m here if I can contribute in some way

[peacesells]

2 minutes ago, Gabriel Kross said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

this goes before the previous quote I was responding to this post, however my focus was more on Heavy's reaction to the new player talk

This is important

again refering to the new player discussion specifically responding to the bold

Heavy then decides to deflect it with something completely unrelated

here, I specifically explain what I was talking about

Again Heavy tries to deflect it to unrelated discussion yet it somehow cleared him in the eyes of DPR and Darthe.

Thanks EP.  This was a good reminder about Heavys emo early on.  I forgotten all about with yours outperforming his.  

Probably my early thoughts on he wasn't really scum hunting.

[Gabriel Kross]

3 minutes ago, Darthe said:

Oh shi- I’m at work, 9 pages behind, and DL is in an hour… did not realize it would be right then, I’m here if I can contribute in some way

deadline is in 35 minutes... not an hour

[peacesells]

3 minutes ago, Darthe said:

Oh shi- I’m at work, 9 pages behind, and DL is in an hour… did not realize it would be right then, I’m here if I can contribute in some way

Share any insight you have then vote for one of us 3:

 

Peace (4) - Eddie, GKEP, Teph, Tig

SD (3) - Darthe, Peace, Turin

Turin (2) - SD, Heavy

[Gabriel Kross]

let me make the trains even, that will give us some info on who jumps where.

UNVOTE

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count

 

Peace (3) - Eddie, Teph, Tig

SD (3) - Darthe, Peace, Turin

Turin (2) - SD, Heavy

 

With 11 alive it's 6 to Hammer. 

 

Not voting (3): Dice, DPR, GKEP

 

End of Day 1

 

Deadline is in 31 minutes.

Edited May 16 by keyholder21

[Gabriel Kross]

be happy, I really want to go outside and smoke but because I don't have DM (as in I don't actually know my password it's autofilled on pc) set up on my phone, I am still here at my pc.

[Gabriel Kross]

I really don't like the votes on Turin, not that I'm defending him, but they came out of left field.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

9 minutes ago, Gabriel Kross said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

this goes before the previous quote I was responding to this post, however my focus was more on Heavy's reaction to the new player talk

This is important

again refering to the new player discussion specifically responding to the bold

Heavy then decides to deflect it with something completely unrelated

here, I specifically explain what I was talking about

Again Heavy tries to deflect it to unrelated discussion yet it somehow cleared him in the eyes of DPR and Darthe.

I'm not going into this, it's dumb. But for the last time I was specifically talking about the l e issue. 

 

About new player bias, no that isn't and shouldn't be a matter of choice. It is discrimination. A new player cannot not be a new player so to treat tham badly because they are a new player should never be allowed to be part of the game. 

 

Now I'm not going to refer to this again. 

[Gabriel Kross]

oh I forgot to explain 2 quotes in my big post, Tigs gave a very weird meta shield to Heavy which is quoted in that post

the other one is something I just caught... Sinister didn't know who EP was... Sinister is the one who handled my name change as I didn't have access to change it which was supposed to be the new norm with how it worked at the time.

[Ithillian Turambar]

21 minutes till end of Day 1

[Gabriel Kross]

1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I'm not going into this, it's dumb. But for the last time I was specifically talking about the l e issue. 

 

About new player bias, no that isn't and shouldn't be a matter of choice. It is discrimination. A new player cannot not be a new player so to treat tham badly because they are a new player should never be allowed to be part of the game. 

 

Now I'm not going to refer to this again. 

again, NOBODY was treating new players badly, we were expressing what we have typically seen from new players over the year.

Put a new player in World of Warcraft, they'll understand the basics of the game, but will the understand the recommended add-ons, optimal dps rotation, perfect heal timing, threat control? this is the kind of stuff we were referring to when talking about new players, they haven't seen much of the game haven't got experience with the plethora of things that could happen

[Gabriel Kross]

over the years* missed an s in there.