90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Verbal32]

3 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

You misrepped what he said, brushed off his reply and brushed off my reply and my vote on you. Bizarre that you are now claiming you couldn't have known you were making a genuine error. You knew what you were doing, I just don't get why no one else cares. Not even Marsh did. 

 

Ouch, and you said your posts were invisible, heh.  What the hell do you think I've been doing?

[Tigraine]

13 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

You shouldn’t be voting for me

 

 

He started with this, dropping a hint that there is a reason not to vote him without giving a reason.

12 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

yep there is

this was in response to Rand asking if there was a reason he shouldnt be voting Dice.  Again, not arguing his case, just stating there is a reason.

12 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

I suggest you all unvote  me right away

he's getting more insistent 

12 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

seriously

Quotes his previous post, adding more weight to it

12 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

Try thinking

Hint 

12 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

Fine

 

im the Cop

He was out of options.

 

Here's the thing, could he be lying? Absolutely, but isn't it better to err on the side of caution here? Especially on Day 1. @Verbal32

[Turin Turambar]

2 minutes ago, ed2funy said:

Obviously town but you voted that way?

This is just bad. Inference is a thing.

[Verbal32]

2 minutes ago, Tigraine said:

He started with this, dropping a hint that there is a reason not to vote him without giving a reason.

this was in response to Rand asking if there was a reason he shouldnt be voting Dice.  Again, not arguing his case, just stating there is a reason.

he's getting more insistent 

Quotes his previous post, adding more weight to it

Hint 

He was out of options.

 

Here's the thing, could he be lying? Absolutely, but isn't it better to err on the side of caution here? Especially on Day 1. @Verbal32

 

Ok, thanks.  I mean, yeah, I saw those posts but just didn't see it as breadcrumbing.  To me, it looked more like fearmongering.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Ouch, and you said your posts were invisible, heh.  What the hell do you think I've been doing?

My point is that you (though thanks for at least noticing) are making it sound like a plausible wolf tactic of being overly critical. But Im saying he was definitely misrepping and 100% ignored people pointing out his "mistake". I don't see how it isn't a smoking gun for everyone (on town at least). 

[Turin Turambar]

Dice, can you explain your read on Heavy and how it has evolved during the game?

 

I can't find much where you really talk about him except to lynch him for lols.

[ed2funy]

18 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Is it possible for the condemn dude to get themselves as a target?

 

Cos it would explain so much.

Isn’t that a known role? Not on the game. 
 

bastard mod?

[Verbal32]

Just now, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

My point is that you (though thanks for at least noticing) are making it sound like a plausible wolf tactic of being overly critical. But Im saying he was definitely misrepping and 100% ignored people pointing out his "mistake". I don't see how it isn't a smoking gun for everyone (on town at least). 

 

I say this as somebody who said they were coming after DPR today:  we should avoid absolutes.  Was DPR doing it on purpose or just playing bad?  We can think the former, but we can't exclude the latter just because it doesn't fit what we "want".

 

That's exactly what I was sussing Ithi for yesterday.

[Verbal32]

3 minutes ago, ed2funy said:

Isn’t that a known role? Not on the game. 
 

bastard mod?

 

*groans*

[DPR]

16 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Cheese louise guys. You never talked this much in the Day hahaha

He’s just mad because he was mafia last game and condemner in this one lol

[ed2funy]

19 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Goofy shit =/= what I'm saying Marsh did.  Him casing Heayy is literally the definition of solving.

 

Who are you trying to fool here?  This is amazing to read how you keep bouncing in every direction.

You also asked him HOW OFTEN and he deflected. I just dislike DPR rn

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Irrelevant point maybe but Sinister knows how to nest quotes without it becoming unreadable. 

 

[DPR]

15 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

That isn't true. All his convoluted theorising all would come crashing down if I flipped town or he flipped mafia. The plausible reasons he would go to all that effort and potentially ping Key or anyone that was reading her as Town is that 1) he was play acting as town to get me miseliminated which is dumb as he could have just like Ithi said I had convinced him. All the rest of it was wasted effort that would only make him look more wolfy. Or 2) he was town and he really thought I was mafia. Nothing else made sense. 

 

You misrepped what he said, brushed off his reply and brushed off my reply and my vote on you. Bizarre that you are now claiming you couldn't have known you were making a genuine error. You knew what you were doing, I just don't get why no one else cares. Not even Marsh did. 

This is amazing

[Nynaeve]

1 minute ago, ed2funy said:

You also asked him HOW OFTEN and he deflected. I just dislike DPR rn

 

Get some rum in him

Stir, don't mix

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

4 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

I say this as somebody who said they were coming after DPR today:  we should avoid absolutes.  Was DPR doing it on purpose or just playing bad?  We can think the former, but we can't exclude the latter just because it doesn't fit what we "want".

 

That's exactly what I was sussing Ithi for yesterday.

Sure, we don't have to deal in absolutes - but I still think it is a smoking gun that DPR's "mistake" was a large contributer to a town miselimination, and Marsh pointed out he was wrong, and so did another player, but he brushed it off, and after the elimination he doubles down on it wasn't his fault. 

[DPR]

14 minutes ago, ed2funy said:

Obviously town but you voted that way?

Obvious now - after the flip. 
 

Thanks so much for your contributions to the game. You do know you’re a player right - not gallery? 

[RandA lThor]

6 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Only if the real Cop is a dumb who instantly goes oi! No I'm the Cop.

 

It's a much better look to fight and stay alive than all this blah blah blah kill me anyways I'm just a Vanilla woe is me stuff.

 

And I think a Mafia would be all omg I'm so worried. I can't possibly false claim the cop. So Dice is good with me now, Cop or no Cop.

I waited a while to see if this was bait and if others would agree/disagree with it, but before we have some town die, we need to discuss bolded.

 

I need an explanation on why this is not awful logic. WHAT??? does Dice lose by false claiming cop? He is literally about to die, and his only way out was to claim something. I can understand the logic of a town trying to stay alive by claiming cop and deflecting mafia kill, but assuming he's town is nothing short of absurd.

 

5 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Verb looks much worse to me. He voted Dice to even the trains with imo bad reasoning.  He could have voted Heavy and still tied the trains. I think that would have made more sense. His town read (IRONEYES) was advocating for a Heavy  lynch. It would have been more likely to result in Ironeyes not being lynched. Additionally,  he popped in immediately when Dice asked about him. To me it looked like he was watching, content to have townies in a tie.

I agree with you on taking a closer look at Ed's timeline throughout this, but why is Verb's vote on Dice weird, do you have the bad reasoning? From my analysis, a vote on Dice over Heavy was purely because his actions were more scummy, and just because you think someone is town doesn't mean you agree with who they're trying to lynch, especially before they're proven town by anything besides vibes.

 

4 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Oh please. Verbal is not that obvious.

+1, I am a little astounded that what you're getting out of this last night is that Verbal is the one that seems most scummy? While I was surprised he didn't vote for someone and just unvoted, that unvote is still a huge town indicator if Dice was actually cop, as it's simply more beneficial for mafia to accidentally get the cop. I guess he unvoted after me, but it was going so fast that him unvoting after seeing me change votes to DPR would be less likely. Also I had a town read on him before all this fwiw.

 

4 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Logic says you need to accept him as town until additional evidence changes that. 

Logic says we can't vote for him. However, due to the reasoning it seems all have agreed on that the cop may not counterclaim right away, he is not verified town either.

 

Will stop this post here for some attempt at brevity, but I really need everyone who doesn't agree with this (Ithi, Turin, anyone else?) to explain why what Dice did isn't exactly what a mafia would do before he got voted out. To a tee. That doesn't mean he's definitely mafia, but it sure as hell doesn't clear him as a for sure cop.

[ed2funy]

13 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

This is just bad. Inference is a thing.

Inference how? Why would you claim you think someone is solidly town and still vote them?

[ed2funy]

8 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

*groans*

No one answers poor Eddie 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

5 minutes ago, DPR said:

This is amazing

Thank you. At last, some appreciation. 

[ed2funy]

4 minutes ago, DPR said:

Obvious now - after the flip. 
 

Thanks so much for your contributions to the game. You do know you’re a player right - not gallery? 

Do any of us truly know ourselves? 

[ed2funy]

5 minutes ago, DPR said:

Obvious now - after the flip. 
 

Thanks so much for your contributions to the game. You do know you’re a player right - not gallery? 

Also boo this man 

[DPR]

1 minute ago, ed2funy said:

Also boo this man 

C’mon, you can do it. Give us reads list

[RandA lThor]

5 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

at least SOMEONE saw it.  Where were when I needed you to see it bananabreath?

Also your breadcrumbing was SO blatantly obvious, are you joking right now? 😂 At least I tried (however poorly) to make a subtle connection you could've ack'ed, that might've been missed by mafia doing a catch up. You literally were like "hey don't vote me guys, srsly don't vote me". How subtle.

 

Whether you're town or not, that was an AWFUL play by you. Slept on it to make sure, but you knew for certain there was an extremely high chance you were about to get voted out based on the activity of players around, your lead amongst the votes. And then instead of giving town the opportunity to use your claim's info, and coordinate a train on a proper scummy suspect, especially with the knowledge of your claim helping us figure tells out, you forced us in a situation where you knew most people weren't active to vote jump onto the next highest train. Either you're scum, or you're making simple mistakes, and knowing your experience is why I'm hesitant to trust you, because I will be shocked at your play if it turns out you're town.

 

And to follow that up, your reasoning that somehow my actions make me more scummy when you, the cop claim, would've died without a fuss if I wanted to, is so utterly dumb that I am once again left with no reasonable option except that you're scummy. Or you're tunneling so hard you've left logic behind completely.

[ed2funy]

3 minutes ago, DPR said:

C’mon, you can do it. Give us reads list

If I haven’t commented on someone’s posts, I don’t have an opinion either of them. 
I think Dice Is town atm and you are mafia. 
 

tou can get more later.