90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Nynaeve]

Approve*

[RandA lThor]

7 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

But a Mafia wouldn't waste a fake claim cop with a garbage no result? Or would they because then they wouldn't have to give a name out.

Just having Dice live one more day, and almost definitely more, would be worth it for mafia. They don't need to be greedy and also try to do fake peeks.

 

6 hours ago, DPR said:

 

 

 

 

Onto new business. The above posts are in order of occurrence. I pinged when Heavy described how the condemner role worked - I said so - and then Darthe made his official post. 
 

Now, I don’t want be framey lol, so I’ll just ask: Does anyone else see that Heavy described the role with details that nobody else knew, and then Darthe confirmed it? 
 

 

Didn't Darthe already explain this before the post you've quoted? Too lazy to go look, but I'm pretty sure we were talking about this either in night or early day 2, how it was funny that the condemner is literally IDGAF the whole game and randomly taking pot shots at random people each night trying to get their character.

 

6 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

This is garbage. I knew that during the night and posted it. How did I know? I asked Darthe and he told me. .maybe ask the mod if you don't know or are confused. 

 

I'm pretty convinced your mafia right now. I still want competing  trains. I think Rand is also. I'm gonna vote him in my next post. I got more thoughts after.

 

 

?? I think I asked for your reasoning before and don't remember getting any? Maybe that was someone else. This is the end of this page so I'm hoping I get something more coming up

[Turin Turambar]

28 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

I thought I saw the hider somehow could effect or be effected by who they hide behind so I'm still kinda confused by it.

I got like 10min before i actually work so. If the person they hide behind is killed, they are killed also. It can be confusing this game because they can still be targeted by RB, doc and cop. Not sure how "hunter " shots affected. 

@Darthe?

 

[Nynaeve]

28 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

I dunno is it?!??!!!?

Actually not as bad as I thought. 

[Nynaeve]

27 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

Yes?

 

Shameless

[Turin Turambar]

5 minutes ago, RandA lThor said:

Just having Dice live one more day, and almost definitely more, would be worth it for mafia. They don't need to be greedy and also try to do fake peeks.

 

Didn't Darthe already explain this before the post you've quoted? Too lazy to go look, but I'm pretty sure we were talking about this either in night or early day 2, how it was funny that the condemner is literally IDGAF the whole game and randomly taking pot shots at random people each night trying to get their character.

 

?? I think I asked for your reasoning before and don't remember getting any? Maybe that was someone else. This is the end of this page so I'm hoping I get something more coming up

Quick reply. 

Still sowing dispute about Dice.  As of right now he is the cop. If someone cc's or the "real" cop dies then Dice is in trouble. 

Your interactions with Verb who I find suspicious.  

Your battle with DPR  feels fake. I am wondering if your vote stays there or moves late for "reasons". 

Trying to take e tra credit for EoD1. What you did is NAI. You saying it makes you LOCK CLEAR is disturbing. (Yes that's an exaggeration.).

 

There's  probably more, but that's off the top of my head. 

[Turin Turambar]

Oh Verb, I forgot about this. You left thread at 231 my time to watch h your show. Google  says the episode was 45 minutes.  Dicepostedat 244. You replied at 246. I'm not sure you weren't watching and waiting.  

Bye

[RandA lThor]

6 hours ago, DPR said:

It was not clear at all. Hence you asking the mod, and then my asking you for more details. 
 

it’s the part about it being random that caught my eye. Heavy says it like it’s fact, and he does it before Darthe explained it, also saying it was random. 
 

Could be a slip? I’ve posted it because it seemed off to me. 

How are you doubling down on this after being directly called out on Darthe explicitly explaining this in this thread??

 

6 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Dice( town): claimed cop. No cc. Easiest solution is he's the cop.

Occam's razor is not what is the easiest solution. It's what is the most likely.

If Dice was cop, he would claim cop.

If Dice was mafia, he wouldn't want to die, and the best role to claim is cop, so he would claim cop. Additionally, cop would not counter claim right away, so there's no way to verify his claim.

As a result, Dice claiming cop is not indicative of whether he's cop or mafia, all it tells us is its unlikely he's non-cop town.

 

6 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Verb (mafia lean): He moves up simply because I'm not sure I see him as DPR'S teammate. I still think he has enough mafia equity to be down here. The misrep on me shows a willingness to just say anything and his laugh off of valid points screams mafia trying to use clout to brush things off.

 

DPR (mafia): This entire day has been nothing but attempts to direct about what happened last night. Also, attempts push against the claimed cop. I thought he was setting up to come out with a cc and a red.peek on Rand. Didn't happen but still kinda softing it in what I have to guess is an attempt to rile us up into lynching the cop and then he will say "I didn't  do nuffin'". If the above was true, get on with it. 2 out of 3 mafias caught and you are a hero. 

 

Rand (mafia): His battle with DPR feels fake and superficial. He voted DPR,  but when traction started coming he cautioned going too fast. He has also since made a post or two where I felt he was trying to "evolve" his read there so he could conveniently move to someone else. 

Fwiw, I think thinking all 3 of us are mafia when we've been interacting with each other so much might be biased by a scumhunting approach that looks at the content that's available, and allows mafia that are coasting or being more neutral to slide by. I would suggest looking more strongly at your dunnos, or even defaulting to a slight scum read if they're not doing much type of dunnos (or for your 3ps, they could definitely also be mafia).

 

6 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

His battle with DPR feels fake and superficial. He voted DPR,  but when traction started coming he cautioned going too fast. He has also since made a post or two where I felt he was trying to "evolve" his read there so he could conveniently move to someone else.

Lol, I can maybe see how you can think this, but let me clarify. My "battle" with DPR was not fake, I have him solidly above anyone else as a scum read, and especially solidly above any non-Dice person. I am not trying to slow down the DPR train, and in fact, if we want to get it to 5 right now and give him a chance to final defend, I would absolutely love that. It would take an absolute stunner for me to switch my vote.

 

6 hours ago, DPR said:

My d2 Town: 

 

Nyn - #1 in attempting to solve

Zander - I didn’t ping in Lenlo. 

Key - Just a hunch

Ithi - also a hunch

 

My Nulls

 

Turin - I can’t read you at all lol

Verb - I lean town, but mostly because I skibidilove him. 
Heavy - he’s got condemner equity but his play seems genuine enough

Tigs - sometimes confusing posts but active

 

The Wolves: 

 

dice - I’ve said what I’ve said

Rand - superweird. Overzealous GF imo
ed - On a different planet. I don’t get his play at all.

 

OMGUS

 

[RandA lThor]

5 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

If DPR is scum, this is the scummiest post in the game thus far.  The bold in particular is just "yuck".  Mafia are supposed to look like town - why would they try and nudge people to vote?  That would look scummy.  Do you recall the post I made about how DPR appeared to be setting the table and seeing who would come eat?

 

If one of these is scum, very likely the other is as well.

Agreed with this, Ithi has been bouncing up and down the scum side of the town <-> scum spectrum (yw @Nynaeve for changing up the name).

 

4 hours ago, DPR said:

I pointed out a possible slip.

Does anyone know if it's like DPR to make up slips when he's mafia and hope others tag along? Cuz this is time #2 after he did it to Marsh, he's getting predictable.

 

4 hours ago, DPR said:

I really am rushed for time today - I waited but now I gotta go, so when I don’t answer right away, please don’t pull a Rand lol. 

Normalize being clear with your schedule when possible like this, appreciate it. But also, I called you out when you had posted many minutes after my post (the actual reason ended up being the color coding)

 

4 hours ago, Tigraine said:

I just spent over an hour quoting the things I needed to and my comments only for it to ALL suddenly disappear when I went to the next page (keep in mind it had stayed for over 10 pages so idk why it went away)

Can confirm this has happened to me, but with only one quote luckily

 

4 hours ago, DPR said:

And this is lazy scummish play. 
 

I never said that - Rand and Heavy have pushed that talk. 
 

I specifically said is was “the most likely scenario” imo

 

You’re worrying me. 

Misrep again, and so much that it's ridiculous.

 

You were the one that was saying that any possibility that mafia didn't try to kill Dice, and doc didn't try to protect Dice was so small it was ignorable. And as a result he's almost sure to be mafia. I opposed that and said it was realistic, we have to consider more options. I've been the one more vocal about Dice, but also more open about the possibility he could be town cop and mafia and/or doc just avoided him and role blocked him.

 

In reality, it's you that have gone as close as you can to saying Dice is scum, while Heavy and I have been more saying that we believe he's scum, but there are a lot of different possibilities. @dicetosser1 you're the person of interest here who's paid the most attention to how people talk about you, can you back me up?

[RandA lThor]

2 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

On 4/23/2025 at 4:57 AM, DPR said:

Town needs to focus and simplify: 

 

I see no world where the mafia holstered - whoever said that is just trying to muddy the water. 
 

I see no world where the doc didn’t cover dice last night. Anyone suggesting this is just trying to muddy the water. 
 

I see no world where Towndice false claimed cop. That would run the risk of having the real cop cc, which would be a disaster.

 

These things are just common sense, no?  The mafia knows all of this. 
 

Given the above, I see no world where mafia doesn’t use their strongman shot to kill dice. 
 

That would mean mafiadice has false claimed  cop and the mafia team shot at someone that was either the hider, who was hiding, or the condemner, who’s bpv blocked the shot.

 

I’m open to having missed something, but the above just seems obvious. 

 

On 4/23/2025 at 10:14 AM, DPR said:

My plan is to try and get people to agree on things that makes sense. There’s power in numbers, so if can unflick people’s brains, the majority ought to be able to make good decisions. 
 

Currently this is a challenge because, well, you know… 

 

Anyway, dice is obvious scum. If we look at his play and everyone else’s around him, we ought to be able to shortlist a scum pile. Simple. 
 

I’m still trying to decide if Rand and Heavy are for real, their logic is so f’d. But I think Rand is playing a little too polished and manipulative for having just jumped back in. 
 

Turin goes back and forth. Dunno about him yet. 
 

Ed is just scumming along. Somebody back there called him out for 3p equity - that‘s what it looks like. 
 

We haven’t heard from a lot of players so far today so I’m not trying to get too focused on individuals yet - just want to all agree on what we think the situation is. 
 

 

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6 hours ago, DPR said:

Im not pushing an agenda lol, I’m calling you a false claimer. That’s as straight forward as it gets. 
 

Man, I haven’t even mentioned meta yet because I’ve tried to present posts and logic, but imo there is no world where towndice cop comes back after night and tap dances through an infomercial of raisins before claiming no result. 
 

Towndice would post once as soon as night was over - it would sound a lot like “I got no result. If you don’t like it, I don’t care.” 

lolman I’m sorry (and a little jelly) you got this two games in a row 🤣

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4 hours ago, DPR said:

And this is lazy scummish play. 
 

I never said that - Rand and Heavy have pushed that talk. 
 

I specifically said is was “the most likely scenario” imo

 

You’re worrying me. 

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All the bold above seems to disagree with you.  You suggest this is the most likely scenario, and you're good enough to add tidbits about things "making the most sense", but each post above (all those "no world" comments) contains language that states scum!Dice is the only way.

Thanks for receipts

 

 

[RandA lThor]

1 hour ago, Turin Turambar said:

I think Rand had plenty of time to decipher what Dice was doing. He seemed to be egging him on to claim. 

Let me make it easy for you. I was egging him onto claim. I stand by what I said, someone vaguely not even soft claiming but saying "hey guys don't vote me frfr" is not even close to a reason to unvote someone. Otherwise, mafia would do that literally every single time they're about to be voted out. The reason a claim is necessary is it exposes them to lying if someone counters them, right away or later.

 

1 hour ago, Tigraine said:

Since you had previously had trouble with getting others responses to come through when you were posting, it just still seems odd that you'd choose to do it that way instead of "I'm heading home, have service for such and such time" then "I'll hang around until after EoD." I found it strange that you chose to break it up.  Even if I've changed my perspective to that's just your game play, it still seems off.  I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but you absolutely refuse to admit that it's possible anyone could've found that scummy even though I'm not the only one to eye you sideways about it.

I will admit I haven't properly addressed that this angle of finding my one sentence posting scummy isn't something that I confidently think should be town-indicative or non-AI. If this is something that you find scummy in general, then it is what it is. However, I have explained this as clearly as I can, again for reference

* The longer the post I type, the more I think about it, the more I try to cram in. In a 2 minute time scramble, every wasted second can be precious. I was not trying to type 2 sentences, and then change anything up. I was typing a thought, send, typing a thought, send, typing a thought, send. I've had my data go bad when it's initially working. I was on train wifi while offboarding and then it went away. I couldn't afford to wait.

* I also do not have a good internal clock, and I would not be surprised if I overestimated how much time 2 minutes is. I didn't want to accidentally spend more time on a single comment and have it come after.

* I was fully in chaos mode since everything was happening so fast.

 

 

[RandA lThor]

34 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Still sowing dispute about Dice.  As of right now he is the cop. If someone cc's or the "real" cop dies then Dice is in trouble.

Should I just not speak my time when others talk about him? I'm responding to people, not randomly making comments of free will. If people have bad opinions, I feel a need to correct it. Note: this is different from agree to disagree styles of play, and isolated to people making bad logical chains of thought.

 

35 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Your battle with DPR  feels fake. I am wondering if your vote stays there or moves late for "reasons". 

Trying to take e tra credit for EoD1. What you did is NAI. You saying it makes you LOCK CLEAR is disturbing. (Yes that's an exaggeration.).

Then stop exaggerating it, I am literally saying it's ridiculous to turn it into a scummy action. I am completely fine with anyone saying it's non-AI

 

Also responded above, but I am ready to lynch DPR literally asap, pending he gets a chance to say his final words and any sort of claim if he has it (if we run into cop and doc first 2 days I'm going to lose my mind, and be EXTREMELY suspicious)

[RandA lThor]

Fully caught up, have to go!

[RandA lThor]

19 hours ago, DPR said:

lololol

 

I’m colorblind. Can’t see red to save my life. I have to memorize which square it is when I vote 🤣

Still waiting for a response on this? I've reformatted to my original in plain, your response in italics, and my response to those in bold
 

* Why are you discounting the world where doctor believes the above and decides to protect someone else?

* Why are you discounting the world where mafia knows doctor may believe the above, and try to not use their strongman shot on D1, and see if they can get a safe kill on cop (and maybe doc did protect Dice)

Because mafia want to win - they already know that dice would never false claim cop if he was town, so if he’s not mafia, they will strongman him every time. It’s a game winning move - why do anything else? This is not nearly as straightforward as mafia just kills cop all the time, and I'm concerned that this is the angle that you're taking because you should be smart enough to delve deeper here. The cop is useless when known because they have a roleblocker (albeit using their roleblocker every night, but now with 100% success as opposed to like a 22% chance to get doc or hider, and 11% if they can't affect the hider. Additionally, the cop is pulling a lot of suss energy, so it'd be good for mafia to keep that around if that's the case, even if he won't be voted for yet.

* Why, when you were obviously online during the deadline yesterday, and Verbal, Dice, IE, and myself were scrambling to figure out the best decision to move forward when Dice caused complete chaos by first soft hinting a power role within the last hour, and hard claiming cop 2 min before deadline? Town is trying to help out as much as possible during the deadline, and you were useless

I was watching. Why do I want to disrupt players from showing us who they really are? Having a spasm doesn’t help the town. No, but providing insight into whether someone is soft/hard claiming fr or lying when they're about to die, being available to help build alternate trains instead of laying back and letting a train build out of desperation on IE, and putting your concrete thoughts down before flip are all good for town. Observing and doing nothing is scummy, since it suggests you have more knowledge of you enjoying what's going on, and trying not to disrupt it by interrupting.

[Zander?]

57 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

Shameless

 

American Version was amazing for the first few seasons at least.... lololololol.   I'm really gonna try and not spam a whole bunch tho.  My phone also screws up MQs alot.  But when I'm home at least I'll try doing 2 or 3 at a time on my Wifi as it's usually a little better iirc.

[Zander?]

Just like food for thought 

 

Rands super thirsty for DPR

DPRs super thirsty for Dice

Turin seems super thirsty for a couple players.  Verb, me etc.

 

3rd Party Condemner equity is strong with these ones IMHO.

[Zander?]

That last Rand post is EBOLAIDS like WTF.  It's way too long way too many colors. I can't read it it hurts, offends and angers my brain.... lololololol..... but seriously awful coloring and format.  BE BETTER lolololol

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Well I said I would do a list but I have been at work and other things like that that are completely out of character for me. Cracked open a beer so I'll probably sign off after so I don't inflict a drunk hairy Scotsman on you, DL is too late for me anyway, and I don't think anything will happen to convince me to change my vote.

 

One incredibly depressing point is that should I be wrong on DPR I may as well throw the rest of the list in the bin as I'm so convinced on his alignment every other player has been judged on how they interact with him or seem to collude in achieving goals or have weird possible distancing exchanges. 

 

Tentative Town:

Nynaeve - seems to be making the most sense, when she can stop with the sarcky one liners. Don't feel a great urgency about solving or hunting, more observing, prodding and commenting. 

Key - started strong, but tailed off. Some of her reasoning has seemed a bit lame. Unfortunately RL seems to have swallowed her while most of the drama has been going on. Did not approve of her on Marsh's train.

Verbal - Seems to be making sense, agree mostly with him about DPR, in his arguments with players like Turin he seems to be have at worst a reasonable position. Nothing has pinged me about his play. 

 

Null:

Ed - Flashes of insight, seems to make sense when posting. Humourous, confrontational style seems slightly counter productive given apparently RL-enforced low activity. Missing voting completely is never a good look regardless of your ability to be online at DL.

Turin - Did not like him buttering me up on D1, especially not then him using Verb not going after me as a reason to case Verb. But in general makes sense, though I don't like his lists, they sketch me out as if they are just accurate enough not to be suspicious, but wrong enough to through a spanner in the works, and everytime it seems either swinging to town or mafia for me he seems to walk back the arguments to leave himself more neutral. Almost feels like precision bombing - hitting very specific targets and then backing off. But even for me I recognise that is reaching a bit. 

 

Would not go on a date with on a night with a full moon:

Rand - WIM. But seems like too much going on about the same WIFOM. Perhaps just cannot stop responding - can relate. But feels frantic, distractionary (that is tots a word) and while I have a hard time thinking he is working with DPR I cannot avoid the violence even if it is coming from a Town pov. 

Zandlo - Lenlo went for low hanging fruit and not much else qualify if for poor reasons or town reasons. Zander has been pretty null, but enough of his comments have rubbed me the wrong way - like he is deliberately misunderstanding or oversimplifying to state wolf-friendly propaganda. Not active enough to have a real read, though I did not like that Lenlo's vote on me could have been an opening for a train on someone with wolf equity at DL if everything went wrong for our furry friends. 

 

Would shoot with silver bullets:

Ithi - Decided on a target in the opening exchanges of D1 and then pretty much ignored the rest of the day. Has backed DPR repeatedly. Has often shut down discussion by asserting she will play her own way as if that is not a nothing burger response to anything regarding content. Accused my post about nothing of being a carefully crafted post about nothing so therefore AI. My flabber is still gasted.

Tigraine - Makes far too many pro-DPR arguments for my liking. Reasoning that a player saving the unCCd cop is scummy stands out in a way that I don't think can be washed away. But deliberate? Also did not like the DPR vote immediately after what felt like a change in DPR's tone. Tinfoil moment but felt like DPR had accepted his wolf equity was past the point of no return and therefore Tig jumped on the bus. Think I'm mixing metaphors there.

Dice - Feels like Town. Sounds like Town. But... immediately accuses players of saving him of being wolves. Claims with only 2 minutes to go. Thinks saying in the last hour "you should not be voting for me" should have been significant rather than laughed at. Massively downplays the advantages to the wolves to false claim, which as far as I can see far outweigh the benefits to the real cop on D1 claiming. That could be my inexperience, but "only buys me a day or so" seems such an understatement to be an outright lie. Seemed to work with DPR at EoD and Night, but then was distanced by DPR with his Dice is definitely scum (though actually it was Rand and Heavy that said that, not the innocent pirate). Totally sketched out by this slot. No idea really. I guess at least I don't need to make a decision until more flips happen, thank the Light.

 

As above but repeatedly. Reload and shoot again. Use a wooden stake and bedeck in garlic.

DPR - Anti-town, deflections, lies, kill it, kill it with fire. Have gone in depth about my suspicions elsewhere. If I'm wrong, I dunno, this presumably is not a game I'm any good at then.

 

I'd apologise for the WoT but then I would lying. Suck it up peeps.

Spoiler

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Just to qualify - the different section are probably quite fluid. Have a lot of suspicion regarding everyone, difficult to accurately quantify it. But I have tried.

[Zander?]

Heavy has many Wolves as Town and Null combined lololololol.

 

 

Elaborate your read on ME.  I understand your Lenlo take which matters not to me.  But please elaborate your description of me please and quote the posts that lead you to feel that way please.   Feels like you're just saying words......for the sake of just saying words.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Just now, Zander? said:

Elaborate your read on ME.  I understand your Lenlo take which matters not to me.  But please elaborate your description of me please and quote the posts that lead you to feel that way please.   Feels like you're just saying words......for the sake of just saying words.

No, no I won't.

 

Anything else I can help you with today?

[DPR]

My schedule is gonna be tight this evening and I dunno when I’ll have time to do this again, so for posterity, may it help the town:

 

I’m the Hider. I choose a person to hide behind each night and if mafia target me, it will miss, even the strongman shot. 

 

Other roles do work on me. And if the person I hide behind is shot, I die as well. 

 

Darthe modified the role specifically for this game, which is why I was particularly interested in the details surrounding the Condemner role. It’s also why it looked to me that Heavy made a slip yesterday saying that the target of the Condemner was chosen randomly (that is not how the Condemner role works) and when Darthe confirmed that point after Heavy pointed it out, it looked like a catch. 

 

I asked Heavy about it and he laughed it off. Looks suss to me. 

 

Since the game started, I’ve made a point to try and draw the NK to me. I’ve done this by picking fights with a number of you to try and get reactions as well as reactions from the people around you. 

 

Don’t get me wrong - most of you are playing hideously lol - but there was a method to the madness. 

 

For the naysayers, I laid out my plan to Darthe in advance because if you can’t call your shots, it’s just luck. He can post it if he feels like it. 

 

My reads were mostly authentic. 

 

I do firmly believe dice is mafia - I’ve played with him for many years and I would be genuinely shocked if towndice endangered the real Cop by risking them cc’ing. 

 

But I don’t think he is the real Cop because I would also be genuinely shocked if mafia didn’t use their Strongman shot on him last night. Maybe I’ll be shocked, we’ll see. 

 

Rand has been fun to torment lol, but there’s a chance he’s just high-strung. He works against the town in a number of ways, but he’s so passionate about it that it’s hard to tell if he’s genuine, mafia, or a methaddict. Those WoT’s tho…

 

Verb is always a hard read for me. We’ve been through too much trauma together. Last game he was smarmtastic as mafia (so was dice) and he’s pulled some of the same looks in this game but not all. Y’all will have to be the judge of him. 

 

I truly have no idea what ed is doing. To me he’s the most obvious anti-town force based on his weird play and lack of contribution. I dunno why he’s playing it like that.

 

Tig is on the bubble, but sometimes she does appear to be trying. 

 

Nyn continues to look good. Turin, Ithi and Key are all putting themselves out there to solve. Zander looks fine so far. 

 

I think that’s it. For the sake of town, I’d prefer to live but I’ve also put myself into a spot where resolving me answers questions, and with last night’s missed kill, the town can absorb the loss numerically. 

 

As far as dishy hot takes go, no one can touch my stuff, but that’s a loss you’ll just have to live with. 

 

🏴‍☠️ 

[Zander?]

2 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

No, no I won't.

 

Anything else I can help you with today?

 

Nope you just did.

[Zander?]

Ok @DPR for now I'll bite

 

Rand/Heavy/Ed is my PoE today.

 

Dice and DPR ok for now unless CCD. Not sure best play here ATP to CC.

[Zander?]

I'll start CW

 

VOTE: Heavy