90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Nynaeve]

11 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

2 trains at 3 - I'm going to watch the latest episode of The Last of Us, and then I'll be back - about an hour.

 

Don't burn the place down.

It was an awesome episode

[Nynaeve]

10 hours ago, RandA lThor said:

Omg, finally, all caught up, and can fully focus on the game (albeit on my phone).

 

Scum Reads - Dice, DPR, Ed

 

TL;DRs:

 

Dice - Stretch in reasoning to call me scum after Id placed him in a sus group of 3, which isn't even that big of an accusation

 

DPR - Bad reasoning takes imo in the past ~24 hours and discussions with Verbal, iirc had to do with some activity-based logic, though this is a good sign I should take notes during my re-read

 

Ed - Largest comment to actually useful investigation ratio (meaning not many useful tidbits). Seems like he's enjoying the show and waiting for some inno to get lynched. If this read is true, less likely that Dice is scum ig.

 

Heavy, Tigraine

 

Heavy - Super hard to place, and I was originally more on him being town (and I think the whole tonal switch thing is bs, why would he be putting that much work into speaking differently?? Seems like an easy way to shoot yourself in the foot, which is what happened). However, I do agree that you can't ignore the defensiveness and large reactions the more I read. Would put him neutral if I left that option for myself, but more out of confusion. Also there are enough town vibes to me now that someone who's not giving them is automatically in the potential scum side

 

Tigraine - Do not think the activity thing is a big deal, it was a special weekend (also did anyone here 4/20 it up haha, I thought thatd be another reason people were gone, but idk how many ppl here partake). Anyways, I didn't get anything of substance from her analysis, so she's also in the not giving town vibes, hence on the scum suspect side

 

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Ithi, Key, Marsh

 

Ithi & Key - Giving good searching for clues vibes, as well as the "clueless" energy that you get if you aren't mafia

 

Marsh - Mainly coded in the Marsh and Key back and forth feeling like town on town conflict, and agreeing with his reasoning re: Heavy and giving him some grace as a new guy on DM and not understanding playstyles? Was surprised it wasn't done more

 

Turin, Verbal

 

Turin & Verbal - Logical thinking that aligns with my own consistently

 

Nynaeve - Honestly scared that she gives me the most town cuz she hasn't done anything so big that's a "clearing" type action, and while I agree with her reasoning overall, I don't think its anything special. All that being said, gut feel on how she reacts, analyses, etc  is pure town and it seems a lot of others agree. But she could also just be flexing her acting chops. Still, my strongest town read.

 

Looks like the honeymoon phase is over lol

[Nynaeve]

On a serious note, I'm good overall with your reads. Might switch ed with heavy.

[ed2funy]

2 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Quoting VC with about 2hrs to DL...

 

My take on EoD focusing on VOTING.

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Verb quotes Ithi re his not voting and then immediately VOTES DICE and bounces to return with about 15 minutesto DL. 

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He later gives his reasons:

1.feels.like.Dice when they were.mafia together last game.

2. Notes where he asked Key if she needed anything, (his process was this is his "1 thing" scumtell. Ironically, he used this philosophy last game when he was mafia. 

Ed UNVOTES, says he's catching up and never returns. 

Dice VOTES IRONEYES basically  for self preservation imo

Rand talks with Dice where Dice soft claims something and eventually  Rand VOTES DICE making the VC 4-4 between  IRONEYES  and Dice.

Dice claims cop with about 2 minutes left to DL, (why wait so late?).

Rand VOTES DPR

Verb UNVOTES

Rand VOTES IRONEYES 

 

 

I think…Ed because imo he never made a real vote ( I saw his Tigraine vote as a joke), and left never to return with tied trains on  confirmed townie 

I literally said my Tigs vote was a joke. So clock that, Turin. Confirmed how

[ed2funy]

2 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

at least SOMEONE saw it.  Where were when I needed you to see it bananabreath?

getting locks changed on a new storefront for my business 🫠

[Nynaeve]

10 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

your right that was a desperate attempt by you to lynch a townie

 

love how you go for someone who isn’t getting lynched in two mins or less

 

So you'd expect a townie not to unvote you after your claim?

[Nynaeve]

10 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

ooohh look who realised what I said…

 

well that’s seems stupid. All you do is get your cop lynched and then have to lynch the gf afterwards

 

 

doing the mafias work for them are we?

 

You're talking as if you know Verb is town

[Nynaeve]

10 hours ago, DPR said:

Just think, you could have said it all… 

 

If you’d been active. 
 

Waste of time here

Huh?

[Nynaeve]

9 hours ago, RandA lThor said:

Absolutely not lmfao, you revealed with like a minute left. And I had just lost my wifi, in a covered train building, not that any of you knew that obviously. Regardless, pretend my internet was spotty, I was slower at typing, anything, and come in here right after the deadline like DPR, "OH NO THE COP WAS LYNCHED!"

 

On a separate note, what are peoples thoughts on the real cop waiting until 2 minutes before to reveal? Obv you want to avoid if possible, but it was clear like 15-20 minutes before that I was gonna vote for Dice, and Marsh would have to, and he didn't give us time to make a legitimate switch, effectively forcing us to get Marsh

 

I don't like it.

Could be a hail merry of a wolf on the brink of death buying another day while securing a mislynch, coupled with trying to draw out the actual cop with a CC. 

 

Regardless, you made a good call.

[dicetosser1]

1 hour ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Oh please. Verbal is not that obvious.

 

this made me blink. It just strikes me wrong

 

1 hour ago, Turin Turambar said:

This is weird. You have Dice as wtl after his cop claim with no cc. Yet you have Rand as town solely  (imo) due to him unvoting the cop. If Dice is mafia, mafia Rand could also UNVOTE him. I'm not saying that is that case.  I'm saying that you don't make sense. It's like you just discounted all of EoD with the exception of moving Ithi down(blahblahblah defending).

You kept Key town.

You kept Dice wtl. Despite his cop claim it seems.

You kept DPR wtl.

You moved Rand to Top Town using weird logic.

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I can even see a world where you, Rand, and Dice are mafia together and this a wild scheme. Dice claims he gets RB'ed continually, you two call each other town for your D1 unvotes, hoping to hold out. 

I don't think that is it but who.knows?

 

BTW, your claim that too much of my posts were defending Ithi is just not true. That's 2013 meta and it doesn't apply here. I think you threw it out hoping people would remember the back then and just go with it.

 

If you think I'm lying about the last, prove it. 

 

I’m not mafia 
 

 

22 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

On a serious note, I'm good overall with your reads. Might switch ed with heavy.

who was this to?

 

 

14 minutes ago, ed2funy said:

getting locks changed on a new storefront for my business 🫠

 

sorry I wanted to put a smiley on here but couldn’t filigree one out that showed both frustration and that I was joking with you with that

 

 

13 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

So you'd expect a townie not to unvote you after your claim?

 

Course I would. What I WOULDN’T expect is for that townie to then immediately vote someone who wasn’t going to get lynched in two minutes especially when there was a train that WOULD happen in two minutes

[Nynaeve]

5 hours ago, RandA lThor said:

 

Updated List:

 

DPR

Tigraine, Ithi, Dice, Ed

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Heavy, Key, Lenlo (whoops sry Len)

Turin, Nynaeve

Verbal

 

Can you elaborate on your heavy read?

[dicetosser1]

7 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

I don't like it.

Could be a hail merry of a wolf on the brink of death buying another day while securing a mislynch, coupled with trying to draw out the actual cop with a CC. 

 

Regardless, you made a good call.

could be but isn’t.

[Ithillian Turambar]

6 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

this made me blink. It just strikes me wrong

It's hard not being able to just turn round and do this

 

🤷‍♂️

[Nynaeve]

1 hour ago, Turin Turambar said:

This makes no sense. Dice isn't going to get copped if he's not the cop. He's gonna get voted tomorrow. Unless the real cop thinks he actually is town playing a dangerous game. 

I don't understand why you are treating Dice as both the un cc'd cop and a person of interest. Either you believe or you don't. If you didn't believe you should have just kept your vote on and lynched him and took the heat. That you didn't means your not committed to him being mafia. Logic says you need to accept him as town until additional evidence changes that. 

That you then only can see Key as potentially his teammate is also Olympic level mental gymnastics. 

Finally, making an exception for Key from the lynch All Ironeyes voters is sketchy as heck. 

 

I disagree. Believing something doesnt mean you can't be wrong. The right call 2 mins from dl with a pr claim drop is to take a step back. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

I'm not sure I really like how "be more Zen Heavy" Turin is now using my wolf equity to incriminate another player. Like I said, if you are town and think I'm mafia you should have voted for me. Otherwise the only people benefitting from my wolf equity is the wolves. If you really think I'm mafia but decided it was better to leave me with a 66% chance of being the RB or Strongman, and go after someone else instead, it seems like you have rather shit yourselves in the foot. For the wolves keeping me in game makes sense, I'll confuse everything with WIFOM and I'm an easy out if you get to close to a wolf. 

 

Lenlo of Town made the right play since he suspects me, though still not convinced he wasn't just keeping the door open to miselimination if everything went wrong at EoD. 

 

DPR straight misrepresented Marsh, and set up his elimination and no one, including Marsh seems that bothered about it. Anyone want to explain to me why this smoking gun was ignored or why Marsh wasn't saved by people pointing out the "honest" mistake? 

 

I'm confuddled. Kinda disappointing to be still alive actually. No idea what you guys are up to or how to help you. 

 

But you need to trust me since you haven't eliminated me, not trusting me (as much as anyone else obviously) and leaving me in game only benefits the wolves. 

[Nynaeve]

12 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

this made me blink. It just strikes me wrong

 

 

I’m not mafia 
 

 

who was this to?

 

 

 

sorry I wanted to put a smiley on here but couldn’t filigree one out that showed both frustration and that I was joking with you with that

 

 

 

Course I would. What I WOULDN’T expect is for that townie to then immediately vote someone who wasn’t going to get lynched in two minutes especially when there was a train that WOULD happen in two minutes

 

My comment about the read list was to Rand.

 

I really don't understand your stance on Rand's votes close to DL.

 

So he moved his vote to his top suss (Wes), that wouldn't have been lynched in a 2 mins time frame. Okay?

 

Had he moved it straight to Marsh then that would have been a better look? As scum he could have easily moved it to Marsh and called it a day with a mislynch. Or lingered in posting and let you get lynched. 

 

I dont see how towndice would see his behavior as scummy. It doesn't make sense.

[dicetosser1]

33 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

You're talking as if you know Verb is town

thougbt I’d quoted this

 

your right it does read that way but i dont know what verbal is. 
 

when I wrote it I wrote it as speaking to a town about a theory not as speaking to a town verb.  But you’re not going to know that the way it is written I admit

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Shot yourselves in the foot, sorry, lol. 

 

Ah, got to love rude typos 🙂

[Nynaeve]

20 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

could be but isn’t.

 

Guess we'll find out soon enough

[dicetosser1]

1 minute ago, Nynaeve said:

 

My comment about the read list was to Rand.

 

I really don't understand your stance on Rand's votes close to DL.

 

So he moved his vote to his top suss (Wes), that wouldn't have been lynched in a 2 mins time frame. Okay?

 

Had he moved it straight to Marsh then that would have been a better look? As scum he could have easily moved it to Marsh and called it a day with a mislynch. Or lingered in posting and let you get lynched. 

 

I dont see how towndice would see his behavior as scummy. It doesn't make sense.

a) TownDice already thinks he is scummy

b) not moving to secure a lynch at eod but going to a place that isn’t going to do that is scummy. 
c) moving straight to marsh doesnt say a thing about whether he’s town or scum. It’s pure consolidation. Same as marsh voting me to save himself said nothing about his alignment

 

so yeah I think his vote change was scummy and I think he’s scum

[Nynaeve]

2 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

a) TownDice already thinks he is scummy

b) not moving to secure a lynch at eod but going to a place that isn’t going to do that is scummy. 
c) moving straight to marsh doesnt say a thing about whether he’s town or scum. It’s pure consolidation. Same as marsh voting me to save himself said nothing about his alignment

 

so yeah I think his vote change was scummy and I think he’s scum

 

How is marsh voting you cause you were his competing train similar in any way to rand's voting near DL??? Lol

 

dice, come on.

 

Fact of the matter is, the easiest thing rand could have done as scum is switch to marsh and call it a day once you claimed. Him moving to his top sus reads more like discombabulated townie/knee jerk reaction. And he soon after move his vote to Marsh if I recall. So... yeah... 

[Nynaeve]

Got some reports to do. Bbl

 

Gonna be an interesting night 😉

[Verbal32]

 

5 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Morning. I absolutely did say I would change my view if I saw evidence on the thread that he might be Town. Maybe you didn't read that or chose to ignore it.

 

As it stands, I thought he was mafia and so I voted for him. That is how I cope with this game.

 

Sorry I was wrong Marsh. I hope you stay and play other games with us. It's been lovely having you back 💙

 

I don't have an issue with saying you'd change your view based on evidence - my issue is that you gave 2 options for Marsh, and both were him as scum.  You never gave him the opportunity to be town.  I read him as town, so it's not like there weren't signs.  His Thesaurus posts were clearly frustrated town.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

*pretty sure

 

Should I do FTFM's 

 

Or is Verbal just pretty?

 

Aww shucks, you'll make me blush.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Only if the real Cop is a dumb who instantly goes oi! No I'm the Cop.

 

It's a much better look to fight and stay alive than all this blah blah blah kill me anyways I'm just a Vanilla woe is me stuff.

 

And I think a Mafia would be all omg I'm so worried. I can't possibly false claim the cop. So Dice is good with me now, Cop or no Cop.

 

And if Dice is the GF?  Don't you think he'd claim Cop in this instance?

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Quoting VC with about 2hrs to DL...

 

My take on EoD focusing on VOTING.

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Verb quotes Ithi re his not voting and then immediately VOTES DICE and bounces to return with about 15 minutesto DL. 

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He later gives his reasons:

1.feels.like.Dice when they were.mafia together last game.

2. Notes where he asked Key if she needed anything, (his process was this is his "1 thing" scumtell. Ironically, he used this philosophy last game when he was mafia. 

Ed UNVOTES, says he's catching up and never returns. 

Dice VOTES IRONEYES basically  for self preservation imo

Rand talks with Dice where Dice soft claims something and eventually  Rand VOTES DICE making the VC 4-4 between  IRONEYES  and Dice.

Dice claims cop with about 2 minutes left to DL, (why wait so late?).

Rand VOTES DPR

Verb UNVOTES

Rand VOTES IRONEYES 

 

 

I think Verb and to a lesser extent Ed look bad from this, provided Dice is actually the cop.

Ed because imo he never made a real vote ( I saw his Tigraine vote as a joke), and left never to return with tied trains on  confirmed townie (Ironeyes) and the un cc'd cop claim (Dice). 

Verb looks much worse to me. He voted Dice to even the trains with imo bad reasoning.  He could have voted Heavy and still tied the trains. I think that would have made more sense. His town read (IRONEYES) was advocating for a Heavy  lynch. It would have been more likely to result in Ironeyes not being lynched. Additionally,  he popped in immediately when Dice asked about him. To me it looked like he was watching, content to have townies in a tie.

I will have to look at where Verb has Heavy and his progression during the day.

 

HAHAHAHA, please come at me if you think you have even a remote chance of lynching me.  People voted Marsh with "imo bad reasoning".  You don't like my vote on Dice?  Ok.  Why would I vote Heavy?  I was leaning town, though expressed my discomfort with having Marsh town, who thought Heavy was scum.  I'm sure you read that, though.

 

Popped in when Dice asked, lol.  Pay attention to the thread, Turin.  I did post when and how long my break would be twice yesterday, and it was pretty much exactly as I stated.  Nice try, heh.  Actually, it isn't.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

you think you, or verbally who seems to seriously want the cop dead, should be protected?  I don’t know what verbs been smoking but I see no world where your clear in any way

 

If I wanted the Cop dead (assuming you are), I would have not unvoted.  I could have claimed a million reasons to why I didn't unvote with barely 2 minutes left in the day.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Looked at Verbs post and still don't see how he had Heavy as town. He kinda avoided talking about him even when he was a pertinent part of conversation. 

I'm gonna look for a couple of quotes. 

 

 

I'm not confident on that slot.  I leaned town because he felt the same way he did in my first game back when he went a little emo and was town.  I was giving the benefit of the doubt, but Marsh being so certain makes me not sure.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Turin Turambar said:

This makes no sense. Dice isn't going to get copped if he's not the cop. He's gonna get voted tomorrow. Unless the real cop thinks he actually is town playing a dangerous game. 

I don't understand why you are treating Dice as both the un cc'd cop and a person of interest. Either you believe or you don't. If you didn't believe you should have just kept your vote on and lynched him and took the heat. That you didn't means your not committed to him being mafia. Logic says you need to accept him as town until additional evidence changes that. 

That you then only can see Key as potentially his teammate is also Olympic level mental gymnastics. 

Finally, making an exception for Key from the lynch All Ironeyes voters is sketchy as heck. 

 

This is just wrong.  He could be scum (like the GF), so a Cop viewing him would think he's just drawing fire away from the real Cop.  So yeah, still a POI......but he's also the un-cc'd Cop.  You can be both.

 

I was committed to him being mafia, but I'm not going to keep my vote on a claimed Cop.  As for Key, that's pretty clear.  I have a town lean on her, which is much more than anybody else on that train.  But if you were paying attention to the thread earlier, you saw Dice essentially bow to Key and ask her if she wanted anything from him.  How often do you see Dice do something like that?

[Verbal32]

6 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

How is marsh voting you cause you were his competing train similar in any way to rand's voting near DL??? Lol

 

dice, come on.

 

Fact of the matter is, the easiest thing rand could have done as scum is switch to marsh and call it a day once you claimed. Him moving to his top sus reads more like discombabulated townie/knee jerk reaction. And he soon after move his vote to Marsh if I recall. So... yeah... 

 

@dicetosser1

 

Read the bold again, please.  Scum want the path of least resistance - why essentially draw attention to himself by voting a player not in lynch contention?

[Verbal32]

1 hour ago, Nynaeve said:

It was an awesome episode

 

It was!