90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/22/2025 at 10:23 PM, Turin Turambar said:

OK.  Hi. I asked Darthe some questions and he gave me answers, finally ( I know you're busy Darthe, I'm just needy)

 

Turn your heads because there be setup/mechanics talk here.

 

The condemner is actually I guess a Hunter. They are looking to kill their target at night. They target a person at night and if that person is their target, that person dies. If not then nothing happens. At least unless they become a SK.

They only know the targets character name so character claiming might be a bad idea.

 

The Hider will not die if they try to hide behind mafia, so that is not a way to try to check alignments. 

 

Those are the two big things that were not clear ( at least to me) from the OP rules and setup information. 

 

I was confused so I asked. The kind mod gave answers. 

 

I think this makes me look a little differently at the people that didn't do very much on D1. Someone's game is mostly staying alive to take pot shots at night.

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Interesting. Ty

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:19 PM, DPR said:

Probability is all we have to work with, obviously. And one point by itself is not all that informative, but a group of likely probable points starts to reveal a picture. 
 

I’m gonna shift over to speculation and conspiracy - just making that clear - and you may or may not want to go down this road, I get it. But do you think it’s even possible that dice and Rand choreographed their EOD actions? 

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This didn't happen, but I don't think I have a way to disprove it, so sure valid train of thought to go down.

 

What I'm confused by though, is why you're going down this extremely unlikely train of thought of Dice and I being able to perfectly align snipes and votes and reveals and this whole interaction, while you're ignoring possibilities like doctor not protecting Dice, mafia not killing Dice, or even town Dice claiming cop to distract mafia, all of which I believe to be noticeably more likely than this.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:37 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Just pointing out Rand, the quote you had was talking about TOWNDice false claiming, but you have answered about MAFIADice false claiming.

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Just realized I'm a dumb dumb, thanks for kindly pointing it out. Wish I hadn't gone through the thread so linearly

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:42 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Here you are again @RandA lThor I already explained my current stance on Dice and I know you read it cos you dropped a like on it.

 

It really is starting to feel like your trying to distract us with constant Dice jabs. If you think he is actually Mafia so badly, why don't you just vote him lol

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Yeah I remember liking your stance on Dice, and then getting confused by this whole dice claiming thing where I messed up what DPR was saying, and then I brought you back into it because during night you were saying that (which I now remember you were only doing to survive through night).

 

My apologies, I think I got too much going on in my head and started forgetting things as I went down my train of thought. It appears everyone agrees that Dice could be mafia false-claiming, and that's where I am too. Awesome!

[Turin Turambar]

And now i have to go to work. Boooooo!!!!!!!

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:00 PM, Turin Turambar said:

GF? Why just gf to claim cop? Both you and Rand are on about this.

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To clarify, I don't think I've ever mentioned that Dice specifically has to be GF to false claim cop, I think he'd do it as any mafia.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:07 PM, DPR said:

There is no world where a townie false claiming cop is a genius level play. No world. 
 

The odds that the real cop cc’s and outs themselves are high. Too high to consider this as a possibility. 
 

If we can’t agree on that, town is going to lose this game. 

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I almost fully agree here. I think there's a possibility that dumb/suboptimal town makes a bad play in hopes of some hero genius level play and ignores the large chance of disaster. But I think it's a low possibility and I think the correct way for town to play is not lie about being cop

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:09 PM, Turin Turambar said:

VOTE : VERB

 

I think his teammates  are:

Rand (like 80%) and either

Heavy or Key based on interactions and how they treat each other. To be fair this is mostly from Verb and Rand so 

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?? When did I become one of your strong scum reads? What's your reasoning on me?

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:15 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

Yeah, prolly shouldn't use specscum... >.>

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... yup

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:21 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Another question: 

 

Tig and Nyn had diametrically opposite reactions to end of day. Tig thought Rand was scammy as could possibly be, Nyn thought Rand was totally consistent with being Town. Are these both valid opinions, and why has no one bothered either of them for their reasoning? Are they just flying under the radar or is that the whole fake, not fake claim thing is actually a pretense for all this antagonism?

 

I kind of feel no one is going to answer this for multiple reasons but mostly as it has no easy answer if one at all. But it is bugging me so maybe someone can answer.

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I think Tig's reasoning is bogus, but I'm biased, and I'm unsure if it's bad reasoning because she has bad reasoning, or because she's scum misleading.  It's not so bad that I'm flabbergasted like some of the Ithi and DPR reactions I had (though some of those were either because it was night and not their true reaction (Ithi) or me misreading (DPR)).

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:28 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

I know that relatively recently, a player made sure they acted a little bit sus so that they wouldn't be a target for the mafia kill. They had a power role. Didn't work out so well cos we all voted for him lol.

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This is in a previous game?

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:28 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

I know that relatively recently, regular town Dice didn't care that he got tied on a Lynch and voted himself out the airlock

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Good to know thanks

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:28 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

I know that relatively recently Dice was a mafia and there was no thought of creating a plan that would domino death him and the team mate who tried to hero out him as mafia, by fake claiming cop. They were quiet. They planned from the shadows. They didn't want to be seen. A team mate got run up on a dubious peak from a dubious cop and they did nothing. Because the lone wolf dies so the pack survives.

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Was trying to avoid this topic explicitly so mafia didn't gain from it, but if mafia counterclaims cop like Dice did, the other mafia can completely abandon him to make sure they only benefit from his counterclaim. If they try to save him, it's bigger risk/bigger reward, and that's when they can go down. But if they distance from Dice, and act normally, then it's fine.

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:28 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

So if your main reason for me being Mafia is that I don't really think it's a mafia masterplan, it's a terrible reason.

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I see your points, and I also see that you've said it's possible now, but you think it's unlikely because of your meta on Dice. That's fine. A lot of my read on you was based on your night behavior (which was because it was night, and I forgot the implications of talking honestly at night), and I have to now forget that vibe from you. You've definitely moved lower on my scum radar.

 

 

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:31 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I understand how it could be innocent,  but the particular players and my opinions on them caused it to strike a chord. 

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And that's fair.

 

And now I'm caught up. Holy cow, 45 minutes later to work than I needed to be, I have to run and hold myself accountable to not come back here. But this is more fun than I remembered. Will respond to everyone in ~3 hours

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:03 AM, RandA lThor said:

This is the opposite of what I said. I said I was going to wait it out near the train station instead of trying to get home before the deadline.

 

Btw, idk what you're trying to get at here? I can obviously tell you're trying to soft claim but that is EXACTLY what mafia wants to do, so they can escape and not make any hard claim so they can live off vaguely. You want me to switch my vote away from anyone I think is mafia because they say *hint hint don't vote me!*??

 

I was ninja'd here by your claim, and was still referring to your *EDITED: bad* soft hints

 

Not a joke, Im trying to help your play because you're making useless soft hints, and I need something concrete that you're hinting at that there's  a prayer's chance that can maybe can pass by mafia's eyes if you are someone.

 

I waited for a minute to see if Verbal would vote, and if there was anyone around on deadline that could help, YOU INCLUDED BTW. Bet you wish you'd switched now.

 

God if you're not scum (and then the reason is obvious) the unbelievable tunnel you have here to think THE GUY RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT HAVING TIED TRAINS THAT POTENTIALLY KILLED YOU, THE COP, THAT COULD'VE WITHOUT A SWEAT LEFT IT LIKE THAT AND KILLED THE COP IS NOT ONLY NOT TOWN-LEANING, BUT THE GUY THAT NEEDS TO BE LYNCHED, IS NOTHING SHORT OF IDIOTIC. WAKE UP PLEASE

 

Also you can share who you viewed but it doesn't do anything right?

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Good response overall... prior to the emotional breakdown xD

 

Honestly atp I'm not sure what would disappoint me more.... dice being a dirtbag or dice being town lol

[RandA lThor]

Also lastly to clarify on DPR, that one thing I completely misread so I need to eliminate that from my head.

 

There is also more I agree with during the day from his side.

 

However, there was still a lot that was putting me towards scum, so I need to go back and remember what exactly that is so I can solidify my read, but as of right now, I believe he's still the scummiest person here, and has, multiple times, tried to distract and mislead town with horrible reasoning, that he should be better then

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:48 PM, RandA lThor said:

Holy cow, 45 minutes later to work than I needed to be,

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Good grief. It's just a game. Don't be getting into trouble in RL. I was annoyed that I'd logged out 4 minutes late.

 

But now maybe things will slow down a bit so I get chance to do the things I want to do.

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:50 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

Good response overall... prior to the emotional breakdown xD

 

Honestly atp I'm not sure what would disappoint me more.... dice being a dirtbag or dice being town lol

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If people are claiming meta, can emotional breakdown be mine 💀 have always been vulnerable to it lmfao

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:05 AM, DPR said:

STFU, the adults are talking 

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It's like looking in a mirror

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:52 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Good grief. It's just a game. Don't be getting into trouble in RL. I was annoyed that I'd logged out 4 minutes late.

 

But now maybe things will slow down a bit so I get chance to do the things I want to do.

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Out of game, good reminder ty <3. Still feel like a kid sometimes with the stupid decisions I make.

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:14 AM, RandA lThor said:

Sure truce for a second, lets let Dice double down/clarify what he's already said if you think it'll help. In the meantime, stop trying to shut down other discussion, other people are playing in this game too and multiple things can happen at once. Obvious to me the reason you don't want fruitful discussion to happen.

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Is it just me or is ed trying to egg on the catiness with the post like? Lol

 

@ed2funy jokes are a hoot, but it's time to get off the sidelines, muchacho. If you're town start acting like one. 

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:16 AM, dicetosser1 said:

@RandA lThor  go edit the swear word out of your post please. Dont change anything else.

 

hint it sounds like pity

 

@DPR let me check im not gonna get modkilled. I doubt i would but wanna make sure

 

 

I checked Verb

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 Why did you pick Verb?

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:22 AM, RandA lThor said:

Bros only experience with boobs comes from Robert Jordan's writing 😭

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It was very brave to admit it. I mean, maybe you could have left out the crying smiley but still....

 

xD

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:23 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

Rand is actually  (hoipes he remembers the right name) Jetfan80?  Its either him or Jif right lol

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If he didn't pm you naked pics he can't be JiF. As for 80, he has since known the touch of a woman at least twice so can't be him either. I think we're safe.

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:26 AM, RandA lThor said:

Why lmfao, is jetfan80 likely an inexperienced man 😂 I vaguely remember a guy like that username who came here to play mafia but didn't read the books?

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He was heavy into self care

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:33 AM, dicetosser1 said:

because I think your scum. Thats why.

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Then for the sake of argument, why not pick him to view? Add this with my previous question of why you picked Verb

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:34 AM, Darthe said:

🙂 For real though, is just a game.  Ya'll are here to play and have fun.  I'm not gonna gripe/interfere over anything that isn't cheating or bannable. 

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Sounds almost like a challenge 

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:57 AM, DPR said:

Town needs to focus and simplify: 

 

I see no world where the mafia holstered - whoever said that is just trying to muddy the water. 
 

I see no world where the doc didn’t cover dice last night. Anyone suggesting this is just trying to muddy the water. 
 

I see no world where Towndice false claimed cop. That would run the risk of having the real cop cc, which would be a disaster.

 

These things are just common sense, no?  The mafia knows all of this. 
 

Given the above, I see no world where mafia doesn’t use their strongman shot to kill dice. 
 

That would mean mafiadice has false claimed  cop and the mafia team shot at someone that was either the hider, who was hiding, or the condemner, who’s bpv blocked the shot.

 

I’m open to having missed something, but the above just seems obvious. 

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@DPR Doing it here for clarity with your main reasoning post, I need answers on the following

 

* Why are you discounting the world in which mafia decides to use their RB to nullify Dice and keep up the pressure on him if he's actually town cop?

* Why are you discounting the world where doctor believes the above and decides to protect someone else?

* Why are you discounting the world where mafia knows doctor may believe the above, and try to not use their strongman shot on D1, and see if they can get a safe kill on cop (and maybe doc did protect Dice)

* Why, when you were obviously online during the deadline yesterday, and Verbal, Dice, IE, and myself were scrambling to figure out the best decision to move forward when Dice caused complete chaos by first soft hinting a power role within the last hour, and hard claiming cop 2 min before deadline? Town is trying to help out as much as possible during the deadline, and you were useless

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:23 AM, ed2funy said:

I’m comfortable with DPR rn so I’m leaving this here for now. 
 

Vote: DPR

Time for mimis 

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Explain your reasons for sussing him

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:05 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Ok I'm gonna try not do a zander and read through instead of replying post by post, but if I see anyone ask me stuff I'm gonna reply or I'll forget to do it.

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>.>

[Zander?]

Official Vote Count

 

 

 

DPR (2/7): Rand, Ed

 

VERB: (1/7): Turin

 

 

 

Not Voting: Ithi, Dice, Nyn, DPR, Verb, Len, Key, Tig, Heavy

 

 

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Countdown to EOD

 

 

https://countingdownto.com/?c=6244344

 

Edited April 23 by Zander?

[Zander?]

I don't think I missed any but if I did....it's Darthe's fault lolololol

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:19 PM, DPR said:

Probability is all we have to work with, obviously. And one point by itself is not all that informative, but a group of likely probable points starts to reveal a picture. 
 

I’m gonna shift over to speculation and conspiracy - just making that clear - and you may or may not want to go down this road, I get it. But do you think it’s even possible that dice and Rand choreographed their EOD actions? 

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Yes, I think it is possible.  I think it assigns a level of manipulation to those two that I wouldn't normally assign to them, though.  But it's certainly possible.

 

 

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:26 PM, Turin Turambar said:

If you're not lying then the burden is on you to prove it. You are again throwing out old out dated meta hoping people will just go yeah that used to happen. Pretty sure any defending that occurred was on her end and primarily about general play not anything specific to this game. If you want to keep spewing that rubbish, show some proof. Also, mixing it up doesn't cut it here. You made a specific accusation at me. Waving it off as oopsie is not enough. Sure it is, you guys defend each other a lot, which I get, but it really does muddy reads on you both.  You can not like it, I really don't care.

 

So it only counts if you need to pull something out of a donkey? Either it's a tell or it isn't imo. Or was it just mafia Verb that does that? Might be good to know. Slightly weird that Heavy mentioned it before you, but that's a different thought.  It's a tell I've noticed, yes.  I saw it with Lenlo as town!Verbal, and also with Shad as scum!Verbal (Shad was more town-aligned at the time, though).  So there you have it working once and not working once.  So not just "mafia Verb" - attempt to cast shade DENIED.  As for Heavy posting it before me, meh.  I was not in the thread, but I can't prove that.  Again, I don't really care if it bothers you.

 

Finally, imo you used bad reasoning in your vote on dice. You seemed to even agree when you replied to him. You said one reason was "bad", one reason was "meh" and threw in competing trains while ignoring Heavy who you had as a "town.lean" without much reasoning.  Are you defending Dice here?  What do you think about what DPR is angling towards?  You gonna get feisty with him next?  You literally just laid out a logical path as to why I'd vote Dice there and not Heavy.  Are you trying to prove my points for me?  If so, you're doing great!

 

Have you ever released a real reads list with reasoning? Point it out if you have. Put one out if you haven't. Yes, I believe I did - should be during this past night.

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  On 4/23/2025 at 2:36 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I don't generally do tone. I'm pretty oblivious to hinting and stuffs. I blame my aspie traits. 

 

If your town, I'll hopefully  get there. I don't see it presently. Might be a me thing.  Who knows?

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It's a you thing.  Good luck getting there.

 

 

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:00 PM, Turin Turambar said:

This post.  I was catching up this morning and meant to.go.back to it but got distracted. 

 

GF? Why just gf to claim cop? Both you and Rand are on about this. I doubt the real cop (if it isn't Dice) views Dice possibly  for this reason. I would think they view someone else, looking for mafia. The town fake claiming cop could be a genius level play, especially since no one died last night. I'm sure you can see how.  Can't speak for Rand, but GF is what popped into my head as the GF doesn't care about a real Cop viewing them.

 

Where did I say people voted Marsh with bad reasoning? I said I thought you voted Dice with bad reasoning.  Heck, even you said you voted Dice with "bad" and "meh" reasoning. Then threw in competing trains, while ignoring Heavy. You claim here that he was a town lean. But really haven't shown why.

 

Yeah, you were watching a show. You couldn't be monitoring the thread on your phone while doing that? You didn't announce you were back with great episode.  You jumped in and answered Dice. I'm not buying it. My prerogative.  This is ridiculous, and I hope you know that.  I'll leave it be without further comment.

 

i already explained this to Rand. You could.have but you would have been most likely lynched because of it.

Your not confident on the slot? It sounds very wishy washy. Very not wanting to take a real stand. Very fake.

 

Again with the GF angle? Maybe it's just me but I don't see why a cop would try to view Dice in these circumstances. 

 You didn't sound committed to believing he was mafia. You sound very tentative in your stances, like you don't wanna be held to anything. 

Your town lean on Key, is it stronger than the one on Heavy? Does it bother you that your big town read, the one you took a stand on, the one now confirmed  town, had both of them as mafia?  I definitely considered that in my posts if you bothered to read them.  

 

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More responses in red.  You seem like two different people sometimes when you post - it's weird.  Some are thoughtful and insightful and overall solid.  And then there's the above, heh.