90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:51 PM, Verbal32 said:

@DPR

 

You have been super inconsistent this game.  Right now you're even keel, but yesterday you were acting like an overstimulated child.

 

And now you seem to be coming around to the same mindset I've had all game.  It feels super weird.

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Let it be natural. Like before. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:50 PM, DPR said:

I am busy lol, so less time to post. 
 

As for the reread, I’d rather people read it and make their own observations. Not trying to be enigmatic, just fair. 

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Your gonna have to wait. I got distracted by the game and my work clock is running down. Now I have 1 hour and 6 minutes left to get everything done.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:53 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

It was me.

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Ok, so I had it backwards. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:51 PM, Verbal32 said:

@DPR

 

You have been super inconsistent this game.  Right now you're even keel, but yesterday you were acting like an overstimulated child.

 

And now you seem to be coming around to the same mindset I've had all game.  It feels super weird.

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Yeah, I just cannot be dealing with inconsistent players. They just ruin it for everyone else.

 

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[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:53 PM, DPR said:

Let it be natural. Like before. 

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???

 

Btw, re-read p32.  Mostly it is the discussion a few people had with Dice around the unvotes and EOD movement.  That discussion was continued into subsequent pages (I think), so I don't really see why you're pointing out that page.

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 10:00 AM, dicetosser1 said:

1 that the doc would protect me. They might they might not. With an RB in the game they might ride the odds and think I’m unlikely to get shot. We probably won’t know until after the game

 

2 he assumed that mafia want to kill me. At this point they can make me useless. Once the RB is dead so am I most likely and the doc can’t stop it because they will probably just strongman it to make sure. In the meantime I’m a distraction they think they can use because of how people have reacted to my claim. Rand, Verb, Nyn have all had negative reactions that I can think of.

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I did not think these 2 were the assumptions personally, because they were obviously incorrect assumptions we'd already disproven at night. I thought the 2 were mafia didn't hit condemner or hider.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 10:00 AM, dicetosser1 said:

I’m NOT CONFIRMED town but I’m the next thing to it

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Agreed with your post after the above assumptions until this. It is useless to argue you for now, and you're unvoteable, but you are not the next thing to confirmed town. No one has so far successfully argued against

 

1) If you were mafia, and about to die, you would definitely do something like claim cop as you died. No drawbacks since you were about to die anyways, lots of benefits

 

2) P much everyone agrees that if a real cop is there, they should not counter immediately. Instead, get some safe reads in while you're hidden, and then counter with additional information, and before the last day if we're wrong so we guarantee a chance to vote both sides.

 

Your status is effectively in a pending state, that we'll get to later.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 10:00 AM, dicetosser1 said:

oh and btw. Normal procedure with a cc? The cc usually gets lynched first.

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Nope, and scummy. Whether you're real cop, or mafia, a CC would wait to CC. So order doesn't matter one way or the other. We have to flesh out the discussion when the CC comes out, and you'll be on equal terms. Just because you claimed early on the verge of death because you were about to be voted out, doesn't mean you get some boost.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:59 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

???

 

Btw, re-read p32.  Mostly it is the discussion a few people had with Dice around the unvotes and EOD movement.  That discussion was continued into subsequent pages (I think), so I don't really see why you're pointing out that page.

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What are your thoughts on the points I made earlier? Agree? Disagree? 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Seriously Rand, if you've said he's off the table for your vote why are you still filling pages with all this. What do you hope to achieve?

[ed2funy]

Okay stop replying so I can go back and review 

[DPR]

@RandA lThor when was the last mafia game you played before this one? 

[ed2funy]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:51 PM, DPR said:

Moving forward, I’m ignoring you until you start to play. 

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@darthe can I double vote if the player is being lazy and hypocritical? Thanks

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/22/2025 at 1:37 AM, RandA lThor said:

Omg, finally, all caught up, and can fully focus on the game (albeit on my phone).

 

Scum Reads - Dice, DPR, Ed

 

TL;DRs:

 

Dice - Stretch in reasoning to call me scum after Id placed him in a sus group of 3, which isn't even that big of an accusation

 

DPR - Bad reasoning takes imo in the past ~24 hours and discussions with Verbal, iirc had to do with some activity-based logic, though this is a good sign I should take notes during my re-read

 

Ed - Largest comment to actually useful investigation ratio (meaning not many useful tidbits). Seems like he's enjoying the show and waiting for some inno to get lynched. If this read is true, less likely that Dice is scum ig.

 

Heavy, Tigraine

 

Heavy - Super hard to place, and I was originally more on him being town (and I think the whole tonal switch thing is bs, why would he be putting that much work into speaking differently?? Seems like an easy way to shoot yourself in the foot, which is what happened). However, I do agree that you can't ignore the defensiveness and large reactions the more I read. Would put him neutral if I left that option for myself, but more out of confusion. Also there are enough town vibes to me now that someone who's not giving them is automatically in the potential scum side

 

Tigraine - Do not think the activity thing is a big deal, it was a special weekend (also did anyone here 4/20 it up haha, I thought thatd be another reason people were gone, but idk how many ppl here partake). Anyways, I didn't get anything of substance from her analysis, so she's also in the not giving town vibes, hence on the scum suspect side

 

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Ithi, Key, Marsh

 

Ithi & Key - Giving good searching for clues vibes, as well as the "clueless" energy that you get if you aren't mafia

 

Marsh - Mainly coded in the Marsh and Key back and forth feeling like town on town conflict, and agreeing with his reasoning re: Heavy and giving him some grace as a new guy on DM and not understanding playstyles? Was surprised it wasn't done more

 

Turin, Verbal

 

Turin & Verbal - Logical thinking that aligns with my own consistently

 

Nynaeve - Honestly scared that she gives me the most town cuz she hasn't done anything so big that's a "clearing" type action, and while I agree with her reasoning overall, I don't think its anything special. All that being said, gut feel on how she reacts, analyses, etc  is pure town and it seems a lot of others agree. But she could also just be flexing her acting chops. Still, my strongest town read.

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I went back to do DPRs requested reading. I'm not sure which conversation he was talking about. I'm guessing Nyn and Dice??? I also saw this and something from Verb that I had forgotten about. So thanks pirate. 

 

Anyways  something about Rands read list struck me as odd. There were two instances where he joined two players together. Exactly two. He joined Ithi and Key, then Verb and Me. I don't like this. Especially since I'm suspicious of Verb. I don't wanna be grouped with him. It always feels like a way mafia will put teammates with townies to link them in people's minds. I have been a bit suspicious of Key so I find it odd that only two people I have some suspicion on are linked in this manner on his list. It could be innocent but it pings.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:57 AM, DPR said:

Town needs to focus and simplify: 

 

I see no world where the mafia holstered - whoever said that is just trying to muddy the water. Agreed
 

I see no world where the doc didn’t cover dice last night. Anyone suggesting this is just trying to muddy the water. Disagree - if I was Doc, I might have figured it a waste because scum would just strongman if they wanted him dead and not take the chance.  I would have protected elsewhere.
 

I see no world where Towndice false claimed cop. That would run the risk of having the real cop cc, which would be a disaster.  Agreed

 

These things are just common sense, no?  The mafia knows all of this. Other than my one disagreement, which is obv up for debate, agreed.
 

Given the above, I see no world where mafia doesn’t use their strongman shot to kill dice. Unless, like I mentioned before, Dice has bad reads and mafia is ok letting him live and just RB him.  But yes, your interpretation is probably the most likely situation.
 

That would mean mafiadice has false claimed  cop and the mafia team shot at someone that was either the hider, who was hiding, or the condemner, who’s bpv blocked the shot.  Same as above - most likely?  Probably.  The only real option?  Not really.  We've seen scum teams leave misguided townies alive before.

 

I’m open to having missed something, but the above just seems obvious. 

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My comments in blue.

[Verbal32]

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:08 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I went back to do DPRs requested reading. I'm not sure which conversation he was talking about. I'm guessing Nyn and Dice??? I also saw this and something from Verb that I had forgotten about. So thanks pirate. 

 

Anyways  something about Rands read list struck me as odd. There were two instances where he joined two players together. Exactly two. He joined Ithi and Key, then Verb and Me. I don't like this. Especially since I'm suspicious of Verb. I don't wanna be grouped with him. It always feels like a way mafia will put teammates with townies to link them in people's minds. I have been a bit suspicious of Key so I find it odd that only two people I have some suspicion on are linked in this manner on his list. It could be innocent but it pings.

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What about me had you forgotten?  And you're nuts if you really think I'm scum here.  I mean, forget my content - and I hate saying this - but you can't tell from general tone?

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:08 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

My comments in blue.

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Probability is all we have to work with, obviously. And one point by itself is not all that informative, but a group of likely probable points starts to reveal a picture. 
 

I’m gonna shift over to speculation and conspiracy - just making that clear - and you may or may not want to go down this road, I get it. But do you think it’s even possible that dice and Rand choreographed their EOD actions? 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:49 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

Because although I've admitted it's possible Dice is the Cop, in my gut I'm super sus on him still.

 

 

 

 

Feel free to point out where you think I used bad logic.

 

I didn't lie - you guys defend each other a ton.  If I mixed up this game and it was the other way around, so be it.

 

And trust me, I noticed - but multiple people have done it, they aren't also my WTL, which means clearly some or all is genuine.  I'll use it to attack when I have nothing else - this game, I have other stuff to focus on.  But it did NOT go unnoticed.

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If you're not lying then the burden is on you to prove it. You are again throwing out old out dated meta hoping people will just go yeah that used to happen. Pretty sure any defending that occurred was on her end and primarily about general play not anything specific to this game. If you want to keep spewing that rubbish, show some proof. Also, mixing it up doesn't cut it here. You made a specific accusation at me. Waving it off as oopsie is not enough. 

 

So it only counts if you need to pull something out of a donkey? Either it's a tell or it isn't imo. Or was it just mafia Verb that does that? Might be good to know. Slightly weird that Heavy mentioned it before you, but that's a different thought.

 

Finally, imo you used bad reasoning in your vote on dice. You seemed to even agree when you replied to him. You said one reason was "bad", one reason was "meh" and threw in competing trains while ignoring Heavy who you had as a "town.lean" without much reasoning. 

 

Have you ever released a real reads list with reasoning? Point it out if you have. Put one out if you haven't. 

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:17 AM, Turin Turambar said:

I forgot about the 3p having a BPV. That is certainly an option to having no death. Unfortunately,  neither the mafia nor the 3p is going to tell us if this is what happened. Doc stopping the kill is the immediate thought so *shrug* about speculation. 

I kinda disagree with your take on the Marsh train. When many people went to sleep it was 3-3 between Dice ( the claimed cop) and Ironeyes ( now confirmed town). I would say that mafia were pretty safe in thinking a townie was going down. (I'm assuming for this Dice is town) they don't care which one as long as their team survive the day. I think we need to pay attention to the people that didn't  do much ( Ed and Tigraine, Len to lesser extent) and the people that were there at EoD. For this exercise that means DPR, Rand, and Verb. My take is that mafia would want to at least check to see what was happening to ensure everthing continued in a way they stayed safe. 

I don't suppose it hurts to look at it both ways though. 

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Guess who's in both our lists 👀

 

In all seriousness, i see what your saying, and it's def a possibility. Id think though that mafia had some hand in leading or following trains on town

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:57 AM, DPR said:

 

I see no world where the doc didn’t cover dice last night. Anyone suggesting this is just trying to muddy the water. 

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What do you mean you see no world @DPR?? Im not letting you slank and ignore this one again, we literally discussed last night how the doc could save other people (I followed up by saying Verb and I were ideal targets, you can disagree with that aspect). The cop can be permanently nullified with the roleblocker, and killed with the strongman, and is already under suspicion, and if he is truly the cop, mafia can counterclaim cop when timely and continue to cause confusion. There's no need to kill him. And as a result, there's no 100% need for the doctor to save him. You can disagree with that analysis, but there were multiple people that agreed, and the doctor could've agreed with them or been one of them. To discount that possibility is either scummy or moronic.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:57 AM, DPR said:

I see no world where Towndice false claimed cop. That would run the risk of having the real cop cc, which would be a disaster.

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You and @Ithillian Turambar (only want your response for this section here, sorry for tagging you in a big wall again) have both said this, and this makes negative sense to me, and reads like scum trying to confuse town and subtly eliminate very real possible situations. 3 possibilities here

 

1) I'm missing something (explain it to me)

2) You're missing something (I can explain it to you)

3) You're trying to mislead town (you're scum)

 

Let me explain what Im saying (again). This "disaster" you're implying does not exist. Dice was literally about to die. If he was mafia, and he claims cop, here are the pros/cons

Pros: He lives longer since he was about to die, he gets the cop to claim on a potentially earlier timeline, and even if he gets countered and voted out he would've died if he didn't claim anyways

Cons: Literally none

 

Anyone pushing this theory is scummy in my book, and DPR especially, and Ithi to some extent, were already there.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:57 AM, DPR said:

Town needs to focus and simplify: 

 

I see no world where the mafia holstered - whoever said that is just trying to muddy the water. 
 

I see no world where the doc didn’t cover dice last night. Anyone suggesting this is just trying to muddy the water. 
 

I see no world where Towndice false claimed cop. That would run the risk of having the real cop cc, which would be a disaster.

 

These things are just common sense, no?  The mafia knows all of this. 
 

Given the above, I see no world where mafia doesn’t use their strongman shot to kill dice. 
 

That would mean mafiadice has false claimed  cop and the mafia team shot at someone that was either the hider, who was hiding, or the condemner, who’s bpv blocked the shot.

 

I’m open to having missed something, but the above just seems obvious. 

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Never thought Id be side by side with DPR accusing Dice of potentially false claiming lmfao, but unfortunately Dice is untouchable, and you're not. This could even be distancing

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 11:48 AM, Nynaeve said:

Hi guys

I skipped ahead just to see the opening day scene.

 

Can't catch up properly atm. My dad fell and is currently hospitalized... he's ok but pretty banged up. Orbital fracture, nasty swollen eye and some fractures in his right shoulder.

 

I will try to catch up to some extent later on when I'm done visiting with him. Make it a fun loving read and not migraine potential pls lol  

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So sorry Nyn, hope your dad heals fully, take care of yourself 🤍

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:11 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

 

What about me had you forgotten?  And you're nuts if you really think I'm scum here.  I mean, forget my content - and I hate saying this - but you can't tell from general tone?

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I don't generally do tone. I'm pretty oblivious to hinting and stuffs. I blame my aspie traits. 

 

If your town, I'll hopefully  get there. I don't see it presently. Might be a me thing.  Who knows?

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:32 PM, RandA lThor said:

Let me explain what Im saying (again). This "disaster" you're implying does not exist. Dice was literally about to die. If he was mafia, and he claims cop, here are the pros/cons

Pros: He lives longer since he was about to die, he gets the cop to claim on a potentially earlier timeline, and even if he gets countered and voted out he would've died if he didn't claim anyways

Cons: Literally none

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Just pointing out Rand, the quote you had was talking about TOWNDice false claiming, but you have answered about MAFIADice false claiming.

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:00 PM, DPR said:

You should be. Ed has contributed nothing. Until he decides to contribute reasons and actually play, he’s a blank slot. 

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I hate it when I agree with you. Makes me confused if Im saying the right thing.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 12:58 PM, DPR said:

I lack vision. Do you really believe that?

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Thinking back to what Dice said about aura. I remember DPR being that guy back in the day when I played often, and factoring that in when I played. Many years later, all of that background is gone for me, and I think thats good because you're suggesting concretely decent probability outcomes as negligible and muddying the waters. Maybe your playstyle integrates the aura youve built up over time and getting other town to trust your analysis, and that backfires on this game of a lot of people returning from hiatus. But Im spitballing now.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 10:57 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Hi yup. I didn't want to die on Night 1 lol, so figured if Dice is Town he couldn't kill me and he he has actually pulled off a fake cop claim,  then he wouldn't kill me cos I said I thought def Town.

 

I mean I know he could be Mafia, but I'm really trying to not get tied up in knots, so I still feel, on the balance of probabilities that he's more likely to be Town.

 

I've modded the last 3 games and not once has any of the Mafia tried to pull off a hail mary. Of course now we have the old school back, so anything is possible, but I still think it would be a tad too early for anything dramatic and they'd probably just take the hit and move on.

 

Let me see how far I can get through. My work has this great thing of taking you out your normal role for a day, and then expecting you to do twice as much normal stuff the next day. But I've been working super hard to make sure I've got time to play.

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Here you are again @RandA lThor I already explained my current stance on Dice and I know you read it cos you dropped a like on it.

 

It really is starting to feel like your trying to distract us with constant Dice jabs. If you think he is actually Mafia so badly, why don't you just vote him lol

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:19 PM, DPR said:

Probability is all we have to work with, obviously. And one point by itself is not all that informative, but a group of likely probable points starts to reveal a picture. 
 

I’m gonna shift over to speculation and conspiracy - just making that clear - and you may or may not want to go down this road, I get it. But do you think it’s even possible that dice and Rand choreographed their EOD actions? 

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I did mention that possibility in my rambles.

 

I mean it would be an epic thing to see. Mafias playing high stakes and making plans, but I really dont think that's what happened here. 

 

I'm gonna go back through Rand and see if he's trying to hide/distract from something else in all this Dice WoTing

 

I saw an inconsistent thing in my notes and now I want to know if I just wrote it down/interpreted something wrong or if there really was a switch about.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Also page 32?

 

8 minutes of work left.

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:21 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

I don't think it's ever a good look to say 'everyone on x' lynch is suss apart from me. Especially when you are the one who seems most excited about it being a Mafia plot. Apart from being on that Lynch, what reasons do you have for me, Key and dpr specifically. 

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@Ithillian Turambar responding to the above and your rambles including me here.

 

* I do agree that in general this logic is very scummy. I think the important thing here though is that I had a town read and yet I was forced to vote for IE anyways, since otherwise there was a chance that a claimed cop would die. Do you agree that my hand was forced, and why from a neutral standpoint, we are looking at the people that voted for IE unforced?

 

* Im going to TLDR since Ive gone into this in detail partially just above this and before, but here are my reasons for you, DPR, and Key

 

DPR - Horrible reasoning on analyzing the game, trying to eliminate valid possibilities for town to think through, hung around deadline but didn't meaningfully contribute in a chaotic time, tried to specifically pidgeonhole IE into being scum with awful points

 

Ithi - Bad points on whether Dice would false claim or not, to the point where I believe either you're missing something or you're misleading scum similar to DPR, and the votes on IE. There was some vibe stuff way back, but I honestly don't remember, and I don't think its as important now with more real tells.

 

Key - Honestly get town vibes from her, her push on IE was the latest, and thats the only thing against her. Its why she's my biggest town read of the group

 

* I agree that lynching Dice is dumb, so your ramble about me thinking to do that being dumb is correct, I just also agree with you. However, just because I know we can't vote him right now, doesn't mean that I trust him as confirmed town, I am still equally as suspicious because there's no logic telling me that his claim was valid, it just tells me it's not safe to vote him. I believe Im in alignment with Turin here if his explanation of this viewpoint makes more sense to you.

 

Lmk if there's anything I missed!