90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[ed2funy]

I’m comfortable with DPR rn so I’m leaving this here for now. 
 

Vote: DPR

Time for mimis 

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:46 AM, DPR said:

 

if you’re the Cop, and you got a “no result”, that would point toward the mafia roleblocker blocking your action. 
 

okay

 

But there was no nightkill, so we’re assuming the doc protected you and blocked the nk. 
 

okay 

So dice, as Cop, is RB’d, and also Doc’d. 
 

And Verb is no result. 
 

Here’s my question: 

 

I get where the Doc had no choice but to protect the Cop claim… 

 

But why would the mafia waste a shot on someone they knew would be protected? 

And if they were shooting at a Cop, why not use the Strongman shot? 
 

Maybe @RandA lThor can help us with this? 

 

 

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This is not solid logic.  Scum would not shoot the same person they RBed - they would just use the strongman.  You mention that after.  It tells me a few potential things:

 

 - Dice has bad reads, and therefore scum are content to let him live and just RB him (if he's Cop)

 - Doc protected elsewhere and blocked the scum NK (NAI for Dice)

 - Doc might have thought it a waste to protect a Cop that would be dead if scum want them dead

 

If Dice is Cop, then this is our best-case scenario.  He was RBed, but Doc blocked the NK (wherever it went).

 

If Dice is not Cop, then he knows he's dead once actual Cop reveals or turns up dead.

 

 

 

 

While I think Dice could have played D1 better, he's very possibly our Cop and hopefully we can shake him loose for some views (aka kill that damn RBer).

[Zander?]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:34 AM, Darthe said:

🙂 For real though, is just a game.  Ya'll are here to play and have fun.  I'm not gonna gripe/interfere over anything that isn't cheating or bannable. 

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Darthe's Modding Policies:

 

 

[Zander?]

Official Vote Count

 

 

 

DPR (2/7): Rand, Ed

 

 

 

Not Voting: Ithi, Dice, Turin, Nyn, DPR, Verb, Len, Key, Tig, Heavy

 

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

Countdown to EOD

 

 

https://countingdownto.com/?c=6244344

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[Zander?]

Seriously Darthe I've been carrying the entire Mod load for your game now since Day 1 get the _____ to work!!!!!

 

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL 

 

Edited April 23 by Zander?

[Turin Turambar]

First Dice, your recount of EoD is incorrect.  It's small but important. 

Correct  chain of events.

You do some hinting

Rand VOTES you (4-4)

More hinting 

Marsh votes you (5-4)

You claim cop

Rand makes disbelief post which he say was ninja by your claim.

Rand VOTES DPR  (vote now 4-4-2)

Verb UNVOTES (now 4 marsh-3you-2DPR...If Verb VOTES DPR instead it would be 4-3-3. You then could have voted DPR yourself to make him the lynch. Marsh could have tied it again as well)

Rand VOTES Marsh ( final VC 5-3-1)

 

So the vote of DPR by Rand was not bad in itself. It might have been possible to flip the vote if Verb and you were  quicker. Or if you had claimed quicker.

 

Rand, your moving off the claimed cop isn't the townies thing ever. It's risk analysis that you would have had time for seeing Dice hinting for.minutes. you might have been able to talk your way out of it but I think the chances would be low. Especially after your disbelief post came out on the heels of Dice's claim.

[Turin Turambar]

My Night Action Analysis. Spoilered because it might be long.

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No one died. Awesome. Dice claims to have been RB'd and got no result. Not Awesome.

 

Potential reasons for no kills.

1. No kills submitted.  Highly unlikely 

2. Doc protected the kill target. Probable. Most likely. This means most likely that mafia either isn't convinced of Dice's claim and didn't want to waste their Strongman or they shot elsewhere because they were blocking him anyway. Hence, doc was Awesome. Not sure which I believe more.

3. Hider was the target and kill missed. Possible but less likely. This would just be random chance, but if so, better lucky than good.

 

Also means that Ironeyes was most likely not the "hunter's" target. So no SK to deal with yet (unless by some miracle both attempts got nullified by above actions).

 

Dice claims no result on his check on Verb. Potential reasons

1. Dice got RB'd. This is most likely under the assumption that Dice is the cop.

2. Verb is the hider and the check failed because Verb was nowhere to be found. 

3. Dice isn't the cop. No evidence of this yet. 

 

I think that is all. If I missed anything feel free to clear it up for me.

 

Overall,  night went about as well as possible. No one died. Not exactly sure what DPR is on about. I'm gonna read that again. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:38 AM, dicetosser1 said:

verb unvotes but doesnt revote. Me and Marsh are now tied at 4. Tied trains caused by Verbal.

 

Again.

 

Coincidence?

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This seems a bit sus (you can follow the quote to see full context). Dice was leading 5/4. Then Rand votes DPR (so now 4/4) then Verb UNVOTES as above in Dice's commentary. So the trains aren't tied and it had nothing to do with Verb. 

 

We're not talking about Zander here so why the issue basic arithmetic that is being used to throw shade on Verb? 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:45 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

Then you get to die as scum.

 

 

 

Already taken. 

 

 

 

 

Surprise Surprise I go no result.

 

Should I share who i viewed?

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  On 4/23/2025 at 2:28 AM, dicetosser1 said:

fight Darthe answered.

 

My result said No Result.

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Can anyone point out the difference to me between "I don't want to be modkilled" Dice's answer and "I got answer from the mod" Dice's answer? I'm so dumb they look exactly the same to me. 

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:38 AM, Turin Turambar said:

First Dice, your recount of EoD is incorrect.  It's small but important. 

Correct  chain of events.

You do some hinting

Rand VOTES you (4-4)

More hinting 

Marsh votes you (5-4)

You claim cop

Rand makes disbelief post which he say was ninja by your claim.

Rand VOTES DPR  (vote now 4-4-2)

Verb UNVOTES (now 4 marsh-3you-2DPR...If Verb VOTES DPR instead it would be 4-3-3. You then could have voted DPR yourself to make him the lynch. Marsh could have tied it again as well)

Rand VOTES Marsh ( final VC 5-3-1)

 

So the vote of DPR by Rand was not bad in itself. It might have been possible to flip the vote if Verb and you were  quicker. Or if you had claimed quicker.

 

Rand, your moving off the claimed cop isn't the townies thing ever. It's risk analysis that you would have had time for seeing Dice hinting for.minutes. you might have been able to talk your way out of it but I think the chances would be low. Especially after your disbelief post came out on the heels of Dice's claim.

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Agreed on the outcome if I had continued posting close to night, but it was obvious before that that Dice was soft claiming something. If I was scum, and Dice was town, I think after the first sign of that, I would've silently lurked instead of trying to push for more to see if I should move off. So that I wouldn't be present for any of the shenanigans late to it.

 

Also, if I was scum, couldn't I feasibly say you're desperation claiming and roll on in the chaos of the moment? Or claim internet connectivity or something?

 

But my main thing is how did my actions then make me "the most likely to be scum that makes me lynched??"

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:23 AM, ed2funy said:

I’m comfortable with DPR rn so I’m leaving this here for now. 
 

Vote: DPR

Time for mimis 

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I agree wholeheartedly right now, but on the chance that DPR is actually town, I kinda see how this could be mafia prodding along misguided town.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:28 AM, Verbal32 said:

 

This is not solid logic.  Scum would not shoot the same person they RBed - they would just use the strongman.  You mention that after.  It tells me a few potential things:

 

 - Dice has bad reads, and therefore scum are content to let him live and just RB him (if he's Cop)

 - Doc protected elsewhere and blocked the scum NK (NAI for Dice)

 - Doc might have thought it a waste to protect a Cop that would be dead if scum want them dead

 

If Dice is Cop, then this is our best-case scenario.  He was RBed, but Doc blocked the NK (wherever it went).

 

If Dice is not Cop, then he knows he's dead once actual Cop reveals or turns up dead.

 

 

 

 

While I think Dice could have played D1 better, he's very possibly our Cop and hopefully we can shake him loose for some views (aka kill that damn RBer).

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In sync here

 

Now let me see if I can figure out wth DPR and Dice are talking about re: making some assumption

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:46 AM, DPR said:

 

if you’re the Cop, and you got a “no result”, that would point toward the mafia roleblocker blocking your action. 
 

okay

 

But there was no nightkill, so we’re assuming the doc protected you and blocked the nk. 
 

okay 

So dice, as Cop, is RB’d, and also Doc’d. 
 

And Verb is no result. 
 

Here’s my question: 

 

I get where the Doc had no choice but to protect the Cop claim… 

 

But why would the mafia waste a shot on someone they knew would be protected? 

And if they were shooting at a Cop, why not use the Strongman shot? 
 

Maybe @RandA lThor can help us with this? 

 

 

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Don't get my hopes up...

We've been watching Lucifer.

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:03 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

 

Can anyone point out the difference to me between "I don't want to be modkilled" Dice's answer and "I got answer from the mod" Dice's answer? I'm so dumb they look exactly the same to me. 

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Incidentally the same I think, one was Dice's off the cuff translation of what Darthe said, which happened to be the exact same (and probably subconsciously influenced) by what Darthe actually said. But needed mod approval before essentially pasting the text from Darthe

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:08 AM, Turin Turambar said:

Don't get my hopes up...

We've been watching Lucifer.

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Do you get what DPR is on about, and is this something you can share with the class?

[RandA lThor]

Because it seems like DPR is working off the incorrect assumption that doc had no choice but to protect Dice as the cop claim? But we'd already agreed that's not the case because cop is nullified?

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:09 AM, RandA lThor said:

Do you get what DPR is on about, and is this something you can share with the class?

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 I have thoughts, but it's not my tale to tell.

[RandA lThor]

Ugh I admit dumb moment for me, I think I got it 😭 My basic behind is too used to playing only irl vanilla mafia for the last few years 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:07 AM, RandA lThor said:

Agreed on the outcome if I had continued posting close to night, but it was obvious before that that Dice was soft claiming something. If I was scum, and Dice was town, I think after the first sign of that, I would've silently lurked instead of trying to push for more to see if I should move off. So that I wouldn't be present for any of the shenanigans late to it.

 

Also, if I was scum, couldn't I feasibly say you're desperation claiming and roll on in the chaos of the moment? Or claim internet connectivity or something?

 

But my main thing is how did my actions then make me "the most likely to be scum that makes me lynched??"

 

I agree wholeheartedly right now, but on the chance that DPR is actually town, I kinda see how this could be mafia prodding along misguided town.

 

In sync here

 

Now let me see if I can figure out wth DPR and Dice are talking about re: making some assumption

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That would be a calculated decision on your part as mafia. No way it doesn't look bad for you to be in thread actively communicating with a player that claims cop, gets lynched, flips cop. You could try to wiggle but I seriously doubt you live to see tonight. As far as your actions making you most likely mafia, imo they don't in a vacuum, but they don't clearly make you town either.

 

We definitely need more involvement from Ed. 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:03 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

 

Can anyone point out the difference to me between "I don't want to be modkilled" Dice's answer and "I got answer from the mod" Dice's answer? I'm so dumb they look exactly the same to me. 

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My take is the first one is a slip. His other post with all the double negatives and stuff was his attempt at not being direct about his result. I'm not sure why he was worried, Darthe clearly doesn't really care about that stuff.

 

I blame Zander. Lololololol 

[dicetosser1]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:03 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

 

Can anyone point out the difference to me between "I don't want to be modkilled" Dice's answer and "I got answer from the mod" Dice's answer? I'm so dumb they look exactly the same to me. 

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the only difference was that I was going to be saying my result said no result

 

you wouldn’t know this yet but you can be mod killed for directly quoting your pm

 

Saying I got no result is fine.  Doubling down like that to say exactly what you were told?  I thought it’d be ok but I wasn’t getting mod killed by making a mistake

I then did the negative thing as a work around 

 

[dicetosser1]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:25 AM, Turin Turambar said:

My take is the first one is a slip. His other post with all the double negatives and stuff was his attempt at not being direct about his result. I'm not sure why he was worried, Darthe clearly doesn't really care about that stuff.

 

I blame Zander. Lololololol 

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move been modkilled once. And it was for saying one word that broke their I was on.

 

i was just being careful

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 3:28 AM, Verbal32 said:

 

This is not solid logic.  Scum would not shoot the same person they RBed - they would just use the strongman.  You mention that after.  It tells me a few potential things:

 

 - Dice has bad reads, and therefore scum are content to let him live and just RB him (if he's Cop)

 - Doc protected elsewhere and blocked the scum NK (NAI for Dice)

 - Doc might have thought it a waste to protect a Cop that would be dead if scum want them dead

 

If Dice is Cop, then this is our best-case scenario.  He was RBed, but Doc blocked the NK (wherever it went).

 

If Dice is not Cop, then he knows he's dead once actual Cop reveals or turns up dead.

 

 

 

 

While I think Dice could have played D1 better, he's very possibly our Cop and hopefully we can shake him loose for some views (aka kill that damn RBer).

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It could also mean they didn't fully believe Dice's claim so hedged their bet. RB'd to ensure he couldn't get a result if he is cop, and a regular shot in case doc doesn't protect due to not having a better option. Or they could have targeted someone else entirely and got doc'd or shot at the hider. Either way until someone comes forward to cc Dice, he's off the table and discussing his is a waste of time imo.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/23/2025 at 8:47 AM, Turin Turambar said:

It could also mean they didn't fully believe Dice's claim so hedged their bet. RB'd to ensure he couldn't get a result if he is cop, and a regular shot in case doc doesn't protect due to not having a better option. Or they could have targeted someone else entirely and got doc'd or shot at the hider. Either way until someone comes forward to cc Dice, he's off the table and discussing his is a waste of time imo.

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So you are saying that if Dice is the wolfiest wolf of all time or lock clear town that is irrelevant? I think even if we are not going to eliminate him it still feels pretty important to resolve this issue (if possible) to help solve. 

 

Something about your logic is just setting me on edge. Cannot put a finger on it. 

 

Can I ask why did you bring up we should all post if I were cop, doctor etc., just to drop it again without further mention. Did DPR think it was a bad move? Too obvious? 

 

Something doesn't feel right. Did anyone else notice that in the night Turin pops up to set up an attack on Verb and then DPR takes over. Like a tag team. After a bit Turin comes back into the thread and walks back his pro-Dice arguments. Am I just paranoid? 

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/23/2025 at 8:47 AM, Turin Turambar said:

It could also mean they didn't fully believe Dice's claim so hedged their bet. RB'd to ensure he couldn't get a result if he is cop, and a regular shot in case doc doesn't protect due to not having a better option. Or they could have targeted someone else entirely and got doc'd or shot at the hider. Either way until someone comes forward to cc Dice, he's off the table and discussing his is a waste of time imo.

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As long as we're speaking openly about why there could be no death, lets also not forget the BPV the condemner has?

 

Len was the other person to immediately assume doc, but I don't think any one person knows what happened, so I don't think any lack of knowledge is indicative, unless mafia used the strongarm and they still got no kill (they targeted the hider, and then only mafia would know what happened). If mafia used normal kill, they have no way of knowing if it was the condemner, the hider, or the person saved by the doc. And each of those roles don't know if it was their ability that saved them.

 

Unfortunately that means my whole theory that the doc has a confirmed townie is also DOA, and until either Dice gets CCed or we can get rid of the roleblocker, the only "hard information" we can work off of is deaths and their reveals.

 

@Darthe setup question if we can ask, would the condemner be notified if their BPV was hit and it saved them? And to clarify, the 1x BPV is an always on, one-off shield right? As opposed to a BPV you can only activate one night?

 

Which brings me back to IE, our only hard information. Mafia would have to be pretty lucky to get IE voted out without any involvement. Dice is untouchable today barring a CC. Aside from obv i trust myself, I was forced to vote for IE to consolidate away from Dice, so it's NAI. That leaves Ithi, Key, and DPR. I think it makes more sense to hunt in this group, it's smaller, has active players with telltale signs one way or another.

 

Of this group, I am concretely feeling DPR > Ithi > Key in scumminess. What are others feeling here (include me especially if you think my vote on Marsh WAS alignment indicative, though I disagree with that premise)?

 

Outside this group, there's my town reads anyways (Verbal, Nyn, Turin). Ed who I think is maybe scummy but for one reason or the other he agrees with me on my big bad. Heavy is confusing/neutral and I honestly dont want to deal with evaluating him if there's easier places to search for mafia to start, and we can crack that egg later with more info. Lenlo I have a slight town read, Tigs a slight scum read, mainly based on vibes, and some arguments from Tigs that didn't sit completely right with me. But overall, yeah definitely feels murkier and less chances in this group of 7 to find what Id estimate to be 1-2 scum, and lower probability than my estimate of 1 among DPR, Ithi, Key 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

@Darthe can I ask if your wonderful scenes are indicative of gameplay? As in it really seems like in your story someone got NKd and then revived by the Doc. Can we take this as what happened or could it be due to hider or bpv? 

[dicetosser1]

  On 4/23/2025 at 9:11 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

So you are saying that if Dice is the wolfiest wolf of all time or lock clear town that is irrelevant? I think even if we are not going to eliminate him it still feels pretty important to resolve this issue (if possible) to help solve. 

 

Something about your logic is just setting me on edge. Cannot put a finger on it. 

 

Can I ask why did you bring up we should all post if I were cop, doctor etc., just to drop it again without further mention. Did DPR think it was a bad move? Too obvious? 

 

Something doesn't feel right. Did anyone else notice that in the night Turin pops up to set up an attack on Verb and then DPR takes over. Like a tag team. After a bit Turin comes back into the thread and walks back his pro-Dice arguments. Am I just paranoid? 

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let’s see if I can explain

 

ok I will start with the assumption I think dpr made

 

he actually made 2

 

1 that the doc would protect me. They might they might not. With an RB in the game they might ride the odds and think I’m unlikely to get shot. We probably won’t know until after the game

 

2 he assumed that mafia want to kill me. At this point they can make me useless. Once the RB is dead so am I most likely and the doc can’t stop it because they will probably just strongman it to make sure. In the meantime I’m a distraction they think they can use because of how people have reacted to my claim. Rand, Verb, Nyn have all had negative reactions that I can think of.

 

that make sense?

 

now to respond to your post. These are my thoughts. They may be wrong

 

Now remember town might doubt my claim but the mafia basically KNOW I’m the cop. The odds of me fake claiming as town is very low but they are there.  A paranoid mafia might not believe it. Don’t think that’s the case but whatevs

 

best play for the mafia last night? Rb me so I can’t get a result and take the odds of beating the doc and getting a kill in.  The odds for that are definetly in their favour, especially with a cop out in the open.

 

a lot of the time a doc will just follow the playbook and protect the cop. So mafia can aim anywhere else and see what they get.  
 

id say that’s what this mafia did. But they ran into a doc who doesnt just follow the playbook AND managed to guess right.

 

it COULD be they targeted the hider.  That wouldn’t work. To kill that you have to kill the person they’re behind.  But mafia won’t know if it was that or they ran into the doc.

 

considering I got blocked I really really doubt they forgot to put their kill in so I think they either missed the hider or got blocked.  
 

the last bit. He’s saying worrying about me at this point is useless and it is.  Treat me like any other player except in the fact that you won’t be lynching me

 

i can be wrong in my reads like anyone else. If I get a scum result it will be correct and you will know first thing in the morning if I also live but until the rbs gone or the mafia REALLY stuff up that’s probably not going to happen.  I’m NOT CONFIRMED town but I’m the next thing to it unless someone is stupid enuff to try cc’ing me.

 

oh and btw. Normal procedure with a cc? The cc usually gets lynched first.

 

does that help? Hope so

 

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 9:14 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

@Darthe can I ask if your wonderful scenes are indicative of gameplay? As in it really seems like in your story someone got NKd and then revived by the Doc. Can we take this as what happened or could it be due to hider or bpv? 

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normally the write ups are not indicative of gameplay as in they won’t give you hints of things you didn’t see.