Game Over - Hamilton Mafia - SMFDR's Win!

[Ithillian Turambar]

Official Vote Count

 

HALLIA - 1 (Zander)

GUDREAN - 1 (DPR)

 

Not Voting: CassTurin, Dice, Gudrean, Hallia, Key, Seph, Verbal

 

5 votes to Lynch

 

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[Zander?]

On 4/4/2025 at 2:25 PM, Cass said:

@Ithillian Turambar / anyone can we get a vote count pls?

 

 

On 4/4/2025 at 4:18 PM, Cass said:

@Turin Turambar 

 

Tl;dr version for now there were two parts to it - one related to flavour/role PMs and you voting Darthe when he was looking imo pretty null-Town with a side of ???. Darthe had made a crack at Dice and I's banter for stinking of 'Nationalism' - which as an American he hated. Later, he was looking ?ok. You voted him and the feels were off. The crux of it is he started that suspicion pretty much out the gate in this game. And I didn't ?still don't put it past you two to do that as WW. 

The other part reference to your own reactions/opinion to the IC reveal, the rehash of all the posts was ??/?lol but at one point you said that they were in response to Zander's request.

 

They weren't all - pretty sure there were also ones before that tacked on to the end of posts about other things/players where it made even less sense. One was a linking me with a narrative of 'defense' where you ?over-link (IMO) my agreement that the claim could've waited in comparison to Hallia (who actually had you higher Town iirc) and one to Key where your response felt like shade on her just to bring it up again. Key's comment was something like 'you're all weird for thinking Z claiming early is weird, he needs it' - which makes sense for me - and then you called it a misrep which looked/looks ?wolf, imo. 

 

On 4/4/2025 at 5:10 PM, Cass said:

 

Just finished work.

 

Verb - have you read my post?

 

 

I'm just so confused these are Cass's last 3 posts.  Wanna see how close to end of day this last one was.

[Zander?]

On 4/4/2025 at 6:00 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

DAY ONE HAS ENDED.

 

PLEASE DO NOT POST

 

Cass's last post before DL was 50 minutes prior.

[Turin Turambar]

7 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

Anyone know what messenger role is?  Never heard or seen before.

You never study.

 

Paraphrasing from the wiki, Messenger is a role that can send messages to another player. The message can be of any length but must be singular ( so no WoT, I assume). The message is not required to be true. The recipient is not told the identity of the messenger nor their role/alignment.

 

BTW, still waiting for Hallia and Verb to check in. 

[Zander?]

On 4/4/2025 at 5:19 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

Gives the Final Boss the bird

 

 

Riptides Zander AND the Final Boss

 

On 4/4/2025 at 5:20 PM, dicetosser1 said:

right im 8 pages behind. Any cliffs on what i need to know before DL?

 

On 4/4/2025 at 5:24 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

Riptides Verb

 

On 4/4/2025 at 5:27 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Dice, vc is 5 for me, 5 for Cass.

 

Hallia not voting. No role claims.

 

On 4/4/2025 at 5:27 PM, dicetosser1 said:

ty

 

On 4/4/2025 at 5:35 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

TURIN - 5  (Cass, Zander, DPR, Dice, Verbal)

CASS - 5 (Darthe, Seph, Turin, Gudrean, Key)

DPR- 1 (Hallia)

 

Not Voting: 

 

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Dice's end of day is pretty meh 

[Turin Turambar]

Zander, please don't go down this tunnel again today. You said you were gonna set it aside for the day. 

 

Can you try to accept that I KNOW CASS(TURIN) IS TOWN? what does that do to your interpretation of D1 voting trains?

 

Call it a simulation if you must. Just put your head in that space and think about it.

[Turin Turambar]

8 hours ago, DPR said:

@Zander? @Gudrean is wolf. I knew it as soon as she wouldn't vote for Turin. Pretty sure she knew I knew as soon as I asked her who she would and wouldn't vote for - she's been pretty good about getting back to people and she never circled back to that. Darthe is one of the few players that I could help her pull off the game she has so far and now that he's gone, look for her behavior to change.

 

Let's run her up and see how she does. 

 

@seph is lock clear in my book. He called me out on a point of honor, intended or not, and I extend the same standards to him. Enough said. 

 

In my mind, I don't see Gud jumping on the Cass train if Cass was wolf. It would have been too easy to jump on Turin's train or even my train. Probability makes me think the Cass/Turin slot is *probably* town.

 

In my mind, I'm looking for a player that fits into the Darthe-guiding-Gud picture. I'm thinking it'll be an independent player and we have a few options there, each of which should reveal themselves today.

 

@keyholder21 for the love of all that's holy, please stop thinking I've been tying you and @Hallia together - you both just fell into similar places on my PoE, like dice and Verb, but nobody thinks that they're mafia together. It skeeves me that you keep talking about this point, but there are things you've said that make me want to see you working for town. 

 

Wagonomics on the @Turin Turambar lynch are going t be distorted because he was, and I say this respectfully, the WOLF D1 MVP. I have no idea whatsoever wtf the plan was there, but let's all agree it was a bad idea and move on. Having said that, the last two votes do fall under the independent player category, and everybody is a suspect until they're cleared. 

 

Is Hallia a wolf? She certainly seems to be coasting and going along with a plan. If we can sort Gud, I'll have a better read here. Honest;y, Turin muddied the water so bad that it's hard to go back and see how other people were playing off of each other. 

 

That leaves @Verbal32 and @dicetosser1. They'll need to be around more to clear their slots. 

 

No matter what, Darthe was playing a major role in the mafia plan, so look for departures from that. 

 

 

 

 

The part about looking for Gudrean to change now that Darthe is gone is questionable as Darthe would still be in the mafia chat if history holds true.

 

You are the one putting Hallia in next to Key in your previous list which I wanted to show but can't find at the moment. ( I blame Zander). I bet you try to aim at key instead of Hallia,  just like you aimed at Seph instead of Darthe. I think you had them grouped together as well. I really need that post. Stupid long thread.

 

BS about broken wagonomics. That's lazy. It isn't just who voted who, it's when and how. The fact that nothing happened for like 2 hours while it was 5-5 says mafia knew it was 2 townies and sat it out. Turin pointed it out at like 10.minutes to go, still nothing happened.  I've said my peace about it. I'm still waiting for everyone to check in.

 

You say you think Hallia has definte wolf potential but want to settle Gudrean first will you do it the other way? I think Hallia much more likely to be.mafia. the IC thinks she should be a target. Any reason we shouldn't run Hallia up as you say? 

 

Dice and.Verb are still in PoE, but the last bit is imo inherently false. Darthe would be fully capable of directing from the wolf chat. Now that I recall, Darthe  did mention wolf chat more than once.

[Turin Turambar]

Currently only willing to lynch ( barring a red peek), Hallia, DPR, Dice, Verb.

[Turin Turambar]

On 4/4/2025 at 2:50 PM, DPR said:

 

Current d1 views:

 

My vote is on @Turin Turambar and will stay there unless we learn something new. He's obviously a simp or a lover or somesuch. He's dominated d1 with his garbage and I've literally stopped reading anything he posts.  

 

There's a wolf among @seph & @Darthe

 

80% of Seph's game has been focused on painting me as a wolf, which to me shows that he set out to tunnel and has accomplished that.

 

Darthe's play has been all over the place and provides good cover for a wolf. His post the other night was hot garbage and he hasn't explained it at all. 

 

There's a wolf among @keyholder21 & @Hallia

 

Key has also spent a great deal of time focused on me, which is fine and all, but there are nudges and missreps of my posts. Her last WOT called me a liar for stating that Turin isn't leaning into his meta about always being perceived as a wolf. That's ridiculous - he obviously has. 

 

@Cass has been a pop-in. Not a good sign

 

Too early to tell for @dicetosser1, @Verbal32 or @Gudrean but I'm not getting bad vibes from any of them.

 

That's how I see it. I'm sure it's wildly different than others. I'll discuss actual points but I'm done responding to anyone who just wants to tunnel. 

 

 

This was DPR reads list from D1. I think itwas the last one. Correct me if im wrong.

 

First group he paints Seph and Darthe together and goes at Seph mostly. We now KNOW Darthe was a wolf. He has taken pot shots at Darthe but never seriously. It also helps explain how he got off Darthe in what I thought was a weird manner when he wasn't really in any risk.

Next, he definitely groups Key and Hallia. Then he says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about Hallia. 

Shade at Cass, and leaving wiggle room to go at Dice, Verb, and Gudrean. 

 

DPR is a wolf. Most likely  with Hallia.

 

Imma take a nap if I can get my dog inside. I'll be back to check and see if Verb and Hallia have checked in.

[dicetosser1]

4 hours ago, Zander? said:

You all.caught up Dice? That it?  Please give me a 3 person WTL ATP list with some raisins please 

 

looks like im now 1 page behind.

 

as for thats it, thats all i could do while balancing work.

 

FYI I hate that you wans to issue non lynch passes to slots people have been sus on for wifom reasons. I think your making assumptions today.

 

 

WTL in no particular order expect the very first one 😄 

 

Zander cause hes Zander. 😄 😄 😄 

 

Gud. TBH this is largely a case of following DPR. I think his point about Darthe coaching makes sense. Now granted she has mostly sounded like she has other games. Her style so far is, imo, probably fairly easy to emulate as scum this early in her career, particularly with decent support. Im not completely sold here. I am going to be watching for any changes.

 

Cass/turin  I do NOT discount bussing right out the gate. Ive played with Zander remember? And Darthes quite capable of the same. This one id just follow the crowd tbh because i feel im biased cause Turins in the role.

 

3rd  Probably Hally. Shes just done nothing. even when shes here theres no oomf.

 

 

[dicetosser1]

1 hour ago, Zander? said:

 

 

 

I'm just so confused these are Cass's last 3 posts.  Wanna see how close to end of day this last one was.

 

50 mins before but you already found that

 

56 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dice's end of day is pretty meh 

 

What did you expect really? I was catching up on what went out the night before and if you think I was EVER moving my vote there, then you dont know me at all.

 

 

37 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

The part about looking for Gudrean to change now that Darthe is gone is questionable as Darthe would still be in the mafia chat if history holds true.

 

 

 

Thank you for saying that. Its a good point and one I hadnt thought of.

 

[Zander?]

1 hour ago, Turin Turambar said:

You never study.

 

Paraphrasing from the wiki, Messenger is a role that can send messages to another player. The message can be of any length but must be singular ( so no WoT, I assume). The message is not required to be true. The recipient is not told the identity of the messenger nor their role/alignment.

 

BTW, still waiting for Hallia and Verb to check in. 

 

That can't be right.  It's pointless and would have to have come from a Wolf because villagers can't talk to eachother outside of thread unless linked role so you know it would have to be from a Wolf

 and noone would believe any random messages at night they got and you'd have to create a 2 nd DM account.

[dicetosser1]

2 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

That can't be right.  It's pointless and would have to have come from a Wolf because villagers can't talk to eachother outside of thread unless linked role so you know it would have to be from a Wolf

 and noone would believe any random messages at night they got and you'd have to create a 2 nd DM account.

 

Ive had a role like that but it was town but thats the only time ive seen it i think.  dont think it was called messenger tho

[Zander?]

1 hour ago, Turin Turambar said:

Zander, please don't go down this tunnel again today. You said you were gonna set it aside for the day. 

 

Can you try to accept that I KNOW CASS(TURIN) IS TOWN? what does that do to your interpretation of D1 voting trains?

 

Call it a simulation if you must. Just put your head in that space and think about it.

 

Stop telling me what to do because it's 100% going to push me to do the opposite lol. I'm putting it there for the thread because I'm still not 100%.  No I don't accept anything because it's Darthe it's just unlikely if anyone else.  I didn't say I was ignoring your slot or not talking about it.

[Zander?]

1 minute ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

Ive had a role like that but it was town but thats the only time ive seen it i think.  dont think it was called messenger tho

 

I'd assume it was a Wolf role.amd wouldn't believe any random messages I got unless from Mod. I guess it doesn't matter tho...was more curious than anything.

[Ithillian Turambar]

In the sign up Thread I did confim that all roles in this game exist on mafiascum wiki

 

 

[Zander?]

You have anything else to share Dice?  I'm struggling to get a town read.

[Zander?]

Just now, Ithillian Turambar said:

In the sign up Thread I did confim that all roles in this game exist on mafiascum wiki

 

 

 

Ofc it's real I just never heard of it

[Zander?]

2 minutes ago, Zander? said:

You have anything else to share Dice?  I'm struggling to get a town read.

 

Sorry bro for some reason DM didn't load any new posts for me besides that one from Turin.  Imma read up.  Please disregard and keep going homie

[dicetosser1]

fight now my heads kinda spinning. Definitely did not expect Darthe to flip scum and now im just like WHY did he do this and this??

 

I dont have a definite direction i think should be followed tbh. I want to see the people who havent checked in todays thoughts and try to reestablish a feel.

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Well here's a thought... you could look it up lmao.

[dicetosser1]

Just now, Zander? said:

 

Sorry bro for some reason DM didn't load any new posts for me besides that one from Turin.  Imma read up.  Please disregard and keep going homie

 

Im having problems too with DM posting stuff.   there was a few mins between me pressing post on those two posts but they came out together and i had to reload twice to see one of them

[Zander?]

24 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

looks like im now 1 page behind.

 

as for thats it, thats all i could do while balancing work.

 

FYI I hate that you wans to issue non lynch passes to slots people have been sus on for wifom reasons. I think your making assumptions today.

 

 

WTL in no particular order expect the very first one 😄 

 

Zander cause hes Zander. 😄 😄 😄 

 

Gud. TBH this is largely a case of following DPR. I think his point about Darthe coaching makes sense. Now granted she has mostly sounded like she has other games. Her style so far is, imo, probably fairly easy to emulate as scum this early in her career, particularly with decent support. Im not completely sold here. I am going to be watching for any changes.

 

Cass/turin  I do NOT discount bussing right out the gate. Ive played with Zander remember? And Darthes quite capable of the same. This one id just follow the crowd tbh because i feel im biased cause Turins in the role.

 

3rd  Probably Hally. Shes just done nothing. even when shes here theres no oomf.

 

 

 

After I got some sleep my feelings on Darthe Cassturin slot lessened because I remembered it's Darthe lol

[Zander?]

21 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

50 mins before but you already found that

 

 

What did you expect really? I was catching up on what went out the night before and if you think I was EVER moving my vote there, then you dont know me at all.

 

 

 

Thank you for saying that. Its a good point and one I hadnt thought of.

 

 

Can you stay in Wolf chat I remember not being allowed to before in some but can't recall all but maybe each mod decides for themselves 

[Zander?]

8 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Well here's a thought... you could look it up lmao.

 

#toomuchwork 

 

LOLOLOLOLOL