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[Zander?]

  On 4/7/2025 at 2:44 PM, seph said:

I love how you just did this and then ask for people to not post like this lol

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No I i even said 5 or 6 but when it's 20 or so directed at multiple people it's tough my guy lol.  Maybe different if you were building a case I guess but still near impossible for me lololololol.  Also difference is I have 1000000 posts and am trying to a bit of a reread and case people and not drown the thread in 100000 more posts doing it one at a time Lolololoool 

[seph]

Can everyone respond to feelings on Gud atm?
While I reread I think Vote Hallia is a good place to go. I want to see her updated reads and thought on the game.

[DPR]

  On 4/7/2025 at 2:28 PM, DPR said:

@keyholder21 consider this me going on record saying that I held you and Hally as both possible wolves, but in no way did I say that you two were linked or working together. Hopefully that clears things up. 
 

Everybody thinks about things the way that they will. Putting d1 reads out there is all speculation anyway, so now I hope to be less confusing. 
 

Currently I see you as putting in a good effort into solving the game. I see Hally as a low-show and a low contributor, although handy with a nursery rhyme 😑

 

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Look, you’re going to see whatever you will but I’ve tried to clarify things here and I feel like I’ve been consistent. I did say that out of the two of you, I’d wager there is a wolf and I still hold that to be very possible, but you’ve been more present and solving since then while Hally has not. 
 

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Official Vote Count

 

HALLIA - 3 (Zander, CassTurin, Seph)

GUDREAN - 1 (DPR)

 

Not Voting: Dice, Gudrean, Hallia, Key, Verbal

 

5 votes to Lynch

 

This is a Hybrid Hammer/Deadline Game

 

Day 2 ends 10pm BST on Wednesday 9th April

 

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[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/7/2025 at 3:04 PM, seph said:

Can everyone respond to feelings on Gud atm?
While I reread I think Vote Hallia is a good place to go. I want to see her updated reads and thought on the game.

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I think her current wolf equity is low. There are some things that are troubling but I have at least 3 people that I'm more interested in erasing today.

[keyholder21]

Here between meetings.  

 

@Zander? - Hallia's "sketchy" read was on DPR.  I can go get you my exchange with her later when I have more time, but she essentially said she voted for DPR based on his vote on Turin due to emotions.  Then she claimed she had him sketchy for a long time, then when I asked her why she didn't mention he was her top sketchy read when she voted for him she had nothing to say.

 

@DPR - Why quote your own post instead of mine?  :p. Okay, I guess I can see how thinking us on a wolf team isn't linking us together.  But you did in you other posts and I stick to that.  I will gather quotes later. 

 

Can you please explain the nursery rhyme thing?  At first I thought it was just because she was referencing her having a 4 year old, which is why I laughed, but then when I thought about it, that's kinda a weird thing to say.

 

@Turin Turambar - But you're voting her??

 

I think she's sketchy too, but I'd like to hear from her today before I run her up to L-1.

[keyholder21]

Oh excuse me, Hallia did have something to say when I pressured her on her sketch read of DPR.  She said, "it must have just been in my head then" or something like that.

[keyholder21]

  On 4/7/2025 at 3:04 PM, seph said:

Can everyone respond to feelings on Gud atm?
While I reread I think Vote Hallia is a good place to go. I want to see her updated reads and thought on the game.

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Not totally sure how I feel about Gud, tbh.  Before rereading my feeling on her is lean town, but I do also remember that that's mostly based on do I think new scum would act this way.

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/7/2025 at 3:04 PM, seph said:

Can everyone respond to feelings on Gud atm?

 

While I reread I think Vote Hallia is a good place to go. I want to see her updated reads and thought on the game.

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@keyholder21 , my response is to Seph's question regarding Gudrean. My thoughts are in regard to Gud, not Hallia.

 

To be clear, I think Gudrean has low wolf equity. There are some things that are troubling but I have at least 3 people that I'm more interested in erasing today.

[DPR]

  On 4/7/2025 at 3:54 PM, keyholder21 said:

Here between meetings.  

 

@Zander? - Hallia's "sketchy" read was on DPR.  I can go get you my exchange with her later when I have more time, but she essentially said she voted for DPR based on his vote on Turin due to emotions.  Then she claimed she had him sketchy for a long time, then when I asked her why she didn't mention he was her top sketchy read when she voted for him she had nothing to say.

 

@DPR - Why quote your own post instead of mine?  :p. Okay, I guess I can see how thinking us on a wolf team isn't linking us together.  But you did in you other posts and I stick to that.  I will gather quotes later. 

 

Can you please explain the nursery rhyme thing?  At first I thought it was just because she was referencing her having a 4 year old, which is why I laughed, but then when I thought about it, that's kinda a weird thing to say.

 

@Turin Turambar - But you're voting her??

 

I think she's sketchy too, but I'd like to hear from her today before I run her up to L-1.

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I thought I had quoted your post lol - phone is ringing off the hook every time I try to postcard I hit the wrong button. 
 

Nursery rhyme was “long hair don’t care” at the end of her post. I have no idea what that was supposed to mean. 

[Zander?]

  On 4/7/2025 at 3:04 PM, seph said:

Can everyone respond to feelings on Gud atm?
While I reread I think Vote Hallia is a good place to go. I want to see her updated reads and thought on the game.

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I have sus.  Thought admittedly her posting improved later in the day but a few reads post and Turin related read especially felt off to me.  As if TMI but maybe she's just gonna be GOAT level lolololol

[Zander?]

  On 4/7/2025 at 3:54 PM, keyholder21 said:

Here between meetings.  

 

@Zander? - Hallia's "sketchy" read was on DPR.  I can go get you my exchange with her later when I have more time, but she essentially said she voted for DPR based on his vote on Turin due to emotions.  Then she claimed she had him sketchy for a long time, then when I asked her why she didn't mention he was her top sketchy read when she voted for him she had nothing to say.

 

@DPR - Why quote your own post instead of mine?  :p. Okay, I guess I can see how thinking us on a wolf team isn't linking us together.  But you did in you other posts and I stick to that.  I will gather quotes later. 

 

Can you please explain the nursery rhyme thing?  At first I thought it was just because she was referencing her having a 4 year old, which is why I laughed, but then when I thought about it, that's kinda a weird thing to say.

 

@Turin Turambar - But you're voting her??

 

I think she's sketchy too, but I'd like to hear from her today before I run her up to L-1.

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Well if it's on DPR please show me and that might change things I'm pretty sure though you bracketed her reads post with Darthe name I quoted but maybe it was DPR 

[Verbal32]

  On 4/7/2025 at 10:13 AM, Turin Turambar said:

Still waiting for at least  Verb to show up in thread.

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You've said this a few times now.  Why?

 

 

 

  On 4/7/2025 at 2:05 PM, keyholder21 said:

I agree that their interaction at EOD looks better for Verb.  I think most of us had darthe as town or likely town, so I have doubts that they went at each other on thread at this time.  however, darthe clearly had me confused so ??? I still don't like that Verb didn't appear to be trying to solve AT ALL. 

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This is a complete misrep.  I gave my reads - darthe and seph as scum leans, and then added Turin as it looked like he made a 3p slip.  Turns out he just posted weird stuff and got himself lynched.

 

And oh look, I was right on Darthe.  I didn't like his post, his others were null (I'll note that many folks had him town, I didn't.), and he therefore was in my WTL.  And he was scum.

[Verbal32]

Btw, I received a message last night, but now that I see Darthe's flip as mafia messenger, I assume it was from him.

 

So I'm ignoring it as NAI for anything it said.

[seph]

  On 4/7/2025 at 4:50 PM, Verbal32 said:

Btw, I received a message last night, but now that I see Darthe's flip as mafia messenger, I assume it was from him.

 

So I'm ignoring it as NAI for anything it said.

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This is where I might want Turin's opinion of setups lol. I don't want to throw the Thread into a tizzy though, There is a good chance Verb is just a town from this? Unless Mafia couldn't communicate?

[Hallia]

  On 4/7/2025 at 2:47 PM, Zander? said:

 

This is to Darthe again no pressure on either and this is happening when Verb is 3rd Party reasoning locked onto Turin.  I get it COULD be some light distancing but Darthes one of the top Town consensus Town reads ATP and with the amount this happens I'm thinking prolly a decent look for Verb? Thoughts peeps?

 

 

 

QFR as I told Turin I'd investigate this if he flipped Town......lol

 

 

I'm pretty sure tho not 100% reading back she's talking about Darthe here.  She's deadset in Turin top Town and Darthe seems too Scum but she ends up on DPR iirc.  This level of certainty a s correctness is GOAT level....or a Wolf with TMI...

 

 

This is irt to the quoted post above and again I think it's Darthe she's calling You (please correct me if in wrong)

 

 

Yay in hindsight we shoulda realized this but is it just me or does this scream look at me I have to be Town when he flips Town Town and I didn't hammer him.....?????

 

 

If Hallia a Wolf there may be a teammate here.

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i was talkign about DPR there

 

also on weekends my 4 year old matters more than you sorry not sorry

[Verbal32]

@Zander?

 

Can you explain to me why seph is potentially getting a pass today?  I had a single post on both of them, and it turns out I was correct on Darthe.  I'm still leaving seph up there as well, partly because of the actual read I got, and partly because I was right and it makes me think my reads are solid.

 

Not lynching you or Key today.  Everybody else is below the line.  

[Verbal32]

  On 4/7/2025 at 4:59 PM, seph said:

This is where I might want Turin's opinion of setups lol. I don't want to throw the Thread into a tizzy though, There is a good chance Verb is just a town from this? Unless Mafia couldn't communicate?

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Spec talk just muddies the waters, and historically IMO has not been useful unless the game is bastard and literally calls for it.

 

In normal games (like this) it typically does more harm than good.

[seph]

  On 4/7/2025 at 5:01 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

Spec talk just muddies the waters, and historically IMO has not been useful unless the game is bastard and literally calls for it.

 

In normal games (like this) it typically does more harm than good.

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Yea I just googled it and basic uses to get a feel for it. I will leave it for now, but it's hard not to think about.

[DPR]

  On 4/7/2025 at 4:50 PM, Verbal32 said:

Btw, I received a message last night, but now that I see Darthe's flip as mafia messenger, I assume it was from him.

 

So I'm ignoring it as NAI for anything it said.

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Will you walk me through the logic of not sharing the message you got? 
 

  On 4/7/2025 at 5:00 PM, Verbal32 said:

@Zander?

 

Can you explain to me why seph is potentially getting a pass today?  I had a single post on both of them, and it turns out I was correct on Darthe.  I'm still leaving seph up there as well, partly because of the actual read I got, and partly because I was right and it makes me think my reads are solid.

 

Not lynching you or Key today.  Everybody else is below the line.  

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Not voting for Zander lol

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/7/2025 at 4:50 PM, Verbal32 said:

Btw, I received a message last night, but now that I see Darthe's flip as mafia messenger, I assume it was from him.

 

So I'm ignoring it as NAI for anything it said.

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Can you say what the message was? 

 

I did want to wait for everyone to check in to see if they had received a message from him. It might shed some light on some things.

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/31/2025 at 5:43 PM, Darthe said:

Near 20 pages in here folks.  Hally, DPR, Key, y’all got reads or sommit?

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Darthe asks for reads from Hally, DPR, and KEY. KEY ISNT PRESENT IN THREAD.

  On 3/31/2025 at 5:56 PM, keyholder21 said:

Yo, I forgot how much I hated having to catch up on posts.

 

Back in a bit.

 

 

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But, she pops in 13 minutes later saying she's catching up.

  On 3/31/2025 at 6:39 PM, keyholder21 said:

TLDR; will add receipts next.

 

Gud looking wolfy, “all town” – let’s respond to the information about last game, but not mention anything about this game. And why do I have 30% in her list but no one else has a percentage?  Even the “definitely town” folks.  And then Verb and DPR feelings based on like 2 posts? But also her 3^rd game, so that makes me hesitant atm because those are definitely mistakes you could make as wolf or town newbie.

 

Dice ????  I need more posts. I feel like he had lack of engagement early on which makes me wonder, but isn’t enough to really make a read.

 

Seph, I got good vibes. Feels town.

 

Cass …. I don’t like that she didn’t read when she was in the car and clearly had time. But I def don’t see her on a team with Gud.

 

Hally – leaning scum. I agree that pre-reveal could be telling, but I feel her choice of wolves based on the pre-reveal is odd.  

 

Turin is ??????? I feel like he looks more wolfy no matter what?

 

Verb???? Mild scum read for being here, sniping comments, but not following up with anything.

 

DPR ????? Mild townread on DPR because he asked Gud how many games she’s played before just jumping in.  But I hate how he’s answered mechanics questions but not contributed anything else :p.

 

Darthe looks town.  Vibes and constant pushing of people pushing of Z seemed natural. But I’m also bollocks at reading him from what I remember so I don’t trust myself at all.

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And drops her reads list. This looks really weird to me.

 

I still think Hallia is the best lynch today. But I think KEY needs looking into.

[Zander?]

  On 4/7/2025 at 5:00 PM, Hallia said:

i was talkign about DPR there

 

also on weekends my 4 year old matters more than you sorry not sorry

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Not sure there's any reason for snark lol.  But for someone whose MO is known as not posting alot and whose Scum tell is to taper off when Wolf to be suspect when posting less than normal and seemingly playing into Scum Meta would be par for the course wouldn't?  Worst part is there's other reasons for the sus and inactivity I don't recall really making a huge deal about so.....#superconfusedbythis response??????!

[Zander?]

  On 4/7/2025 at 5:28 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Darthe asks for reads from Hally, DPR, and KEY. KEY ISNT PRESENT IN THREAD.

But, she pops in 13 minutes later saying she's catching up.

And drops her reads list. This looks really weird to me.

 

I still think Hallia is the best lynch today. But I think KEY needs looking into.

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I said yesterday when I gave Key and Seph Day 1's that they both felt pockety to me to varying degrees but I think in the Hallia/DPR/Verb/You pool is where I'm looking and that's prolly pretty close to in order ironically lol.  Still wanna dig into Darthe but it's a pain without ISO and I've got some stuff needs doing in RL so FML lololololol 

[Zander?]

  On 4/7/2025 at 5:12 PM, DPR said:

Will you walk me through the logic of not sharing the message you got? 
 

 

Not voting for Zander lol

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Voting for Zander isn't cool kids!!!!!