You're In Good Hands: The Beau Tomteer Law Firm Mafia GAME THREAD

[Andrej]

2 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

Sounding "sound" is NAI for me. Which is basically what you just said ie its not outside of my scum range.

 

In any case, I kinda expected you to drill me a little. Guess its a day of dissapointments...

 

Not before I take you out to dinner, at least.

 

I'm trying to approach you like I did in Ragnarok where you were similarly busy but also nailed Shad for being scum. Plus there's the whole the last time I saw you get fed up like that was in another game where I was pushing you early on and you were Town. I thought your post about Kat earlier was good, at least.

[Andrej]

At least.

 

I'm so redundant sometimes.

[Nynaeve]

1 minute ago, Andrej said:

 

Not before I take you out to dinner, at least.

 

I'm trying to approach you like I did in Ragnarok where you were similarly busy but also nailed Shad for being scum. Plus there's the whole the last time I saw you get fed up like that was in another game where I was pushing you early on and you were Town. I thought your post about Kat earlier was good, at least.

 

I'd laugh but I wouldnt want to risk trying to sound like myself while I'm being myself. That would be very unvillagery of me....

[Nynaeve]

1 minute ago, Andrej said:

At least.

 

I'm so redundant sometimes.

 

Hey, you said it... lol

[Nynaeve]

Who would you accuse right now if you could and why?

[Nynaeve]

@Cass I need you to dive in more. Maybe work got the better of you but I almost feel like you're pulling back since day started? I want more Cass pls. Asap! Kthanks

[Andrej]

8 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

Who would you accuse right now if you could and why?

 

Penguins or Lenlo.

 

Penguins is arguing semantics to avoid the actual point I was making and just generally is exaggerating stuff that's happened in the game to frame them in a different way that's positive for them.

 

Lenlo has one notable reaction so far this game that I don't like and not much else in anything.

[Cass]

Peeping in from work, hey-ho

 

6 hours ago, Kaylee said:

Official Vote Count

 

Darc (1) - Clov

Cass (1) - AJ

Clov (2) - Seph, Nyn

 

Not Voting: Darc, Dice, Lenlo, Cass, Illian, Kat, Penguins

 

 

DEADLINE DEC 4TH 9PM EST

 

Roughly 1 day and 2.5 hous from now

 

 

@Andrej haven't seen your vote post yet so sorry if already answered, but why me over Clov/Darc especially?

 

Have you read my posts?

 

5 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

 

I was contemplating Kat earlier today but her post sounded sincere. Not saying that will carry her through the game... and normally I wouldnt factor in emo componants.... BUT she just sounded earnest. If that was fake, hats off to her.

 

Mostly I was expecting you to do the heavy lifting irt the accusing lol  

 

On a serious note, I was pretty curious about that whole AJ/Len thing irt AJ not wanting to put me up d1. I didnt manage to read up on the arguement but it seems odd that it took such a focal point in the thread on d1 (according to what's been said by some).

 

I'm pretty sure that on DM at least I've rarely been a lynch option d1, regardless of alignment. So I dont really see why it became a big deal? I could easily have said the same if you, AJ or cory had a slow start in literally any game. Ie I would prolly lean towards giving you some time unless there was something rather damning. Could it be v/v? Mayhaps. But it seems such a bla topic to go on about. So I'd prolly probe there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nynnn

 

Agree on the bold. How well do you read AJ and Lenlo in general?

 

Where are you up to/working from ITT?

 

3 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

am i the only one who reads this and thinks " so uve never done it before this game but now you have to?"

 

 

 

You prolly dont want me to have the rein cause guess who id accuse?

 

 

glad you love me!!  hug

 

 

vote dice 

 

3 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

nyn. cause im unabler to point at her and say "Town" and its halfway thru d2. Because her tones not there   she sounds tired but there was one particular post   aimed at you i think     that just seemed like she was tired but was

TRYING to get her usually tone going   and it just didnt work for me.

 

If this is in the pageish after my last post, then mindmelds on the _trying_ for usual feels. Will try and go back after shift.

 

3 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

 

Meh.  I guess you could say town doesn't have to seer hunt, and since he's never had to do it before, he's saying he DID have to last night. I really don't feel one way or the other about that comment.

 

I fully see Dice actually interpreting it that way, though.

 

The only caveat I have to this is him introducing it with "am I the only one who thinks ... x?"

 

The tone and view of Nyn here is along the lines of what I expected from Townhim after the post I saw from Nyn.

 

@dicetosser1 - where you at with Seph?

[Nynaeve]

@Cass

I gave up on catching up and have been mostly working off real time interaction.

 

I will however try to read back on the exchange of aj and lenlo cause that specifically caught my eye when it was brought up.

 

If there's anything specific you feel deserves some attention, lmk, and I'll try to give it a look too.

[Andrej]

@Cass Yeah I’ve read your posts. You’re one of the few I don’t think has started to get complacent because of a scum lynch D1, which is why I’d put you up over the others right now.

 

I’m not opposed to Darc or Clov, but I trust more that you’d do your due diligence in that position based on the sort of angles and questions you’re working from.

[Cass]

Eeuughh sorry

 

* Agree on bold - wrt lack of strangeness in Nyn as a 'wait and see' option

 

Other bolds

 

Dice "You prolly dont want me to have the rein cause guess who id accuse?" and the vote for himself;

 

"unabler to point at her and say "Town" and its halfway thru d2. Because her tones not there   she sounds tired but there was one particular post   aimed at you i think     that just seemed like she was tired but was

TRYING to get her usually tonegoing [/b]

 

Chris

"fully see Dice actually interpreting it that way, though"

[Cass]

2 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

@Cass I need you to dive in more. Maybe work got the better of you but I almost feel like you're pulling back since day started? I want more Cass pls. Asap! Kthanks

 

*presents self, stat*

 

?... Explain the bold a bit - You know my/Aussie hours-ish and I posted daybreak up to real time yesterday before driving home to bed.

 

There was one Darc WoT by the time I went to sleep - which I couldn't process as I was. 

 

I mentioned today and next 4 days are busy, today has been wake, rush to work, straight into jobs - with exactly enough time to skip from the last place I was at to the last page available and MQ the stuff I just posted ( >.< )

 

[Censors pulling comment for PG13]

 

1 hour ago, Nynaeve said:

@Cass

I gave up on catching up and have been mostly working off real time interaction.

 

I will however try to read back on the exchange of aj and lenlo cause that specifically caught my eye when it was brought up.

 

If there's anything specific you feel deserves some attention, lmk, and I'll try to give it a look too.

 

Kk - as I said, aorn, wanna know how you generally read AJ/Lenlo, and after that what you make of them here - not just the D1 fight over you (though I understand your interest ;D ) but also D2 - like AJ's No vote/ take on Halli would've fought harder as Scum etc if not already covered?

 

1 hour ago, Andrej said:

@Cass Yeah I’ve read your posts. You’re one of the few I don’t think has started to get complacent because of a scum lynch D1, which is why I’d put you up over the others right now.

 

I’m not opposed to Darc or Clov, but I trust more that you’d do your due diligence in that position based on the sort of angles and questions you’re working from.

 

Which angles and questions in particular?

 

I already mentioned I'm gonna be busy and not a good candidate for the next 4 days (which you should've seen?) and I don't feel like you usually agree/follow/value my approach to questioning etc so stands out here. 

 

From what I've seen from the start of Day, Clov and Darc have been stepping up and should ~both be more clear?

 

I can follow your concern about Lenlo possi-WW-baiting, and have agreed with some of your thought processes but wanna see what you say you see other than that?

[Cass]

PSA -

[please edit multi-quotes when you reply, to include only the things you're replying to/commenting on] 

 

I will bring brownies

 

22 hours ago, darc-star said:

from the last part, you think he voted you because he wanted penguin lynched more?

I would like to see what Lenlo says, at least. Currently I see it as a ?possible motivation, but there might be other explanations.

 

22 hours ago, darc-star said:

 

 

thats exactly what i mean, yea

 

and i might argue that saying that your peek is ~ok as somebody to be accused is less than believable, but i guess it is what it is, lol

 

i mean, i got that you were mostly saying that you wanted more from them, and i know that just because they accuse somebody doesnt mean that that person will be lynched, but...

as (i think it was) chris said, on d1 i really cant see most people deciding that a no lynch is the best thing...

and if scum was picked, it would be so easy for them to get away with accusing town, because d1

so, i was mostly wondering how you were reconciling getting information from that over choosing somebody that you were more confident with

but i guess you werent really pushing for them to be in either position, so ill leave it at that

 

Fair call and yes (I like these thought process) but for me it wasn't a matter of reconciling one option over the other - I wasn't really considering voting them for the role myself, so I wasn't too worried about it beyond 'if they get elected, see what happens' and 'if Scum get elected hopefully we see through it and the trial gets nixed'. 

 

20 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

@Andrej    thoughts on nyn now?

 

I like this post from Dice for not-really-secret reasons.

 

20 hours ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

Darc isn't one to argue with and buss teammates. 

 

I kinda wanna know about Clov pushing Hallia now. I don't think that unless he believes he has reason too, he'd start suspicion at least on her.

 

Is the bolded her Hallia?

 

And I gave my thoughts based on memory at EoD1. I'd have to reread to remember more.

 

1. This makes less sense to me now than it did in the MQ - Please explain? IIRC, Clov's push on Halli was around a time you were present ITT?

 

2. Yep. Thoughts?

 

 

20 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

@darc-star I've played with dice a lot of times. He's gotten pretty good at reading me. I'd like to think I read him well too. I mostly play it by feel and see if he feels forced as he tries to imitate.

@Nynaeve - can I get updated thoughts from you on Dice/this pls?

 

 

20 hours ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

I know Clov has no problem with bussing, he's bragged about doing it.

 

However, he's also a player that I think he's confident enough to at least leave it (rather than going straight into buss mode).

 

Was he pushing Hallia should be accused?

See above - I have read you say you were sleeping, but I have trouble believing this has been missed?

 

20 hours ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

How does Seph look bad from Darc post flips?

Do you have any thoughts on Seph/Darc as is?

 

There are ~possi-reasons? I need to re-look at Seph-Darc interactions to see if they were overdone, but my first impressions were felt legit/would be strange to push as Scum (also can't remember Seph Scum game though - ?)

 

19 hours ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

Well I am Bwn lol

I knowwww ?

 

19 hours ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

I'm not confident in saying Lenlo is town and Aj is scum. I even had an idea that Aj was town and it was after when it seemed like he was getting annoyed that I saved myself and so Hallia got accused instead.

 

I'm not saying that early town reads are impossible. I could be looking too much through my own eyes at things though (the way I usually play scum is "biatch you have to *earn* your town read just like everyone else here (some way or another)".

 

I will take your point though.

 

Also, I'm not awkward. I just have... unique ways of thinking  

 

Unique is ok/I am ok with unique ? just takes some time to read/understand. 

 

Where are you at with AJ and Lenlo aorn?

 

Do you have reads/leans/ideas on anyone else?

[Cass]

On 12/3/2018 at 5:19 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

If it doesn't sit well with you, maybe you should stand.

 

That wasnt my approach because I don't have the time to keep current with the game and be able to generate much irt my own reads. I do what I can with the time I have. And I'm typing this from a bus mid the course I'm in. If anyone has an issue with my activity level it's an easy fix. Lynch me.

 

As for your post, I didnt trust anything. I read the case, it was a bloody good one and so I supported her lynch. This has nothing to do with knowing his meta as I wasnt trying to read trip. It was a given he was the accuser and and hallia was up for trial. Not knowing his meta as a player has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to make a valid case, so your point is moot.

 

The point he made that sold me the most was that she was willing to vote someone who was going to accuse another town read of hers, as if she wasn't even aware of it. And if she wasn't aware that meant that her reads were most likely bogus. Hallia is not stupid. So my take was most likely scum than loltownhalli.

 

Added to that was her defense which I found rather flat. And then in the rebuttal she didnt even bother to respond to trip's case. Or give out her own final reads.

 

It all spelled out duh. 

 

 

 

Why did you vote no?

 

17 hours ago, Andrej said:

 

Basically the opposite of everything you mention here. I would’ve felt a lot better about what you said had you led with your take on Hallia first.

 

The first and last lines of Nyn's reply feel a bit like Nyn-tude over-explained IMO. I like that she shoots back at AJ and I agree/d with the bold above. I believe Nyn believes it too, in tone - I get AJ's point but can see Town!Nyn just focusing on the "I'm in!" part as a response ITT.

 

16 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

I've only read the newest page, but until further notice, I will fight against a darthe nomination with everything I have.  Yes, Darthe is town.  Yes, he can be a strong player.  But does he even know what's going on? Is he going to be around to accuse?

 

If he shows up and is caught up enough to make an informed decision, I have no problem making him accuser.

+1

 

16 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

 

I've pretty much decided this is going to be my one town game a year where I actually care enough to put the team on my back if I need to.

 

16 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

 

I have no problem with bussing a teammate that needs to be bussed.  I have a huge problem bussing unnecessarily.  Theres a reason my teams sweep like 50% of the time.

The bold is what I believe about Chris/Clov. I honestly don't think he busses Halli here - maybe not even if she asked for it. If she begggggggged for it because she couldn't commit and had zero way out ?maybe?... but I feel like he'd encourage the better option in that situation as sub. (?)

 

16 hours ago, Lenlo said:

At work so slow, but my understanding is the Tripped hinted Darthe as her N0 town peek. Accusing him seems idiotic. Im with Chris. Why would you ever accuse the only confirmed town player in the game?

@Lenlo 

I don't think that was the suggestion?

 

Where are you at on things atp?

Can you answer the questions I asked you before this, pls?

[Cass]

16 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

 

It's literally what I posted... a list of people that have teammate equity and a list of people that DON'T  make sense as teammates.  It's basically a way of taking notes, especially early, so that you can rule out players once you start getting flips.

 

If you look at her QTs from town games in PerC, you'll see shes done it a lot.  She and I have discussed it in the past, and it's not something I typically do but see the value in, so I was happy to oblige. 

 

Did you post this list?

A complete one?

[Cass]

Nyynnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn ... where are youuuuu?

 

@dicetosser1

Which were you thinking of previously wrt Nyn? I wanna say, but hoping the same stuff stood out.

[dicetosser1]

its the tone cass.  feels tired and kinda forced.

 

her comeback to me when she voted for me sounded good but i have a tinfoil that she knew to do something like that on purpose.

 

let me be clear here   i very well may be wrong. but its bugging me  especially the first post that caught my attention   THATS the one where it really sounds forced

[Nynaeve]

5 minutes ago, Cass said:

Nyynnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn ... where are youuuuu?

 

@dicetosser1

Which were you thinking of previously wrt Nyn? I wanna say, but hoping the same stuff stood out.

 

Busy

[Nynaeve]

1 minute ago, dicetosser1 said:

its the tone cass.  feels tired and kinda forced.

 

her comeback to me when she voted for me sounded good but i have a tinfoil that she knew to do something like that on purpose.

 

let me be clear here   i very well may be wrong. but its bugging me  especially the first post that caught my attention   THATS the one where it really sounds forced

 

Whatever

[Cass]

15 hours ago, seph said:

Nyn actually I feel slightly better about her postings since I last posted. I was just waiting for her to dig in a bit. The most important thing is her tone seems good. I have only played with her once a long time ago as scum but she was busy then as well and remember some posts just seemed akward/ looked like she had a hard time coming back into the thread after a absence. I’m not seeing it here at all tbh.

 

I'm still waiting for the digging in/Town!Nyn! tone and approach tbh.

Which posts/tone shots do you like?

And which game of Nyn's was that? Could you link if possible pls?

 

 

15 hours ago, seph said:

kat I fed is playing this indecisive thing a bit to much. Yes she is always like that but i fee like if pressured she could give something concrete but everything seems to have some sort of uncertainty and I didn’t read it all as genuine. I need to re read as I have just been stressed out today beyond all belief but I think I’m keeping her near my bottom.

:hugs: for stress ❤️❤️

I feel like this was an easy/already pointed out thing wrt Kat... I don't know if she's 'played the indecisive thing' too much, but I am not fully feeling her tone yet. I believe that she's a more mechanical/vote analysis /data type player - but I don't know that I believe the setup changes that too much.

 

@Katiora - What if anything do you make of the votes from N1?

 

15 hours ago, seph said:

I have had a problem with aj since d1 tbh. I think his early posts are fine when he posted about the game and asked a few questions but ever since the lenlo thing I feel like his posts have lost something... it’s hard to explain but I don’t think the hallia interaction upon re read is helping my judgement here.

15 hours ago, seph said:

 

ever since the lenlo thing I think that has been a large focus of his game, most of his other reads have been thoughts of others he will share or just ditto. And it seems he always comes back and focuses on lenlo. 

15 hours ago, seph said:

I had issue with his nyn comment as well as it was a form of favoritism, and a bit of hollow defense as clov stated.  

evem today I get some of his posts felt agenda ee and were more of in the direction of pointing a finger at someone, without much follow up.

the post about how me asking for dark for her reads somehow makes me look bad? Ok lol I would love to see how he spins that.

I've confused myself by breaking this quote, but I think it's all about AJ (Seph pls clarify if I've messed it up). 

 

But anyway *popcorn*

 

@seph - which Hallia interaction?

 

 

15 hours ago, seph said:

 

I wanted to clarify where darks Head was out. She got irritated with me and I was just trying to show her that her reads did not get posted and she obliged and gave me something. 

 

I was was trying to figure out if her reaction was genuine and honestly I wanted to see more from her towards the rest of the game and I think she stepped up today and I feel much much better since she came into the thread after the flip.

 

If cass iso works by going to their page for large posters I will try this later

 

I found yesterday you have to go to profile and then click on 'view all activity'. Tedious but works ok ?

[Cass]

10 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

its the tone cass.  feels tired and kinda forced.

 

her comeback to me when she voted for me sounded good but i have a tinfoil that she knew to do something like that on purpose.

 

let me be clear here   i very well may be wrong. but its bugging me  especially the first post that caught my attention   THATS the one where it really sounds forced

 

I have several phrases that have stood out - which first post pls?

 

(also, hi ? )

 

Thoughts on other players pls?

 

Where you at on AJ and Lenlo?

 

Gut on Chris?

 

Any feels for Seph/Kat/Darc/Penguin/Me?

 

 

8 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

Whatever

 

*Snugs*

[Cass]

TBH both of you sound flat af and I feel like we need to have a party ❤️

 

*ginormous hugs*

[dicetosser1]

On 12/3/2018 at 5:19 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

If it doesn't sit well with you, maybe you should stand.

 

That wasnt my approach because I don't have the time to keep current with the game and be able to generate much irt my own reads. I do what I can with the time I have. And I'm typing this from a bus mid the course I'm in. If anyone has an issue with my activity level it's an easy fix. Lynch me.

 

As for your post, I didnt trust anything. I read the case, it was a bloody good one and so I supported her lynch. This has nothing to do with knowing his meta as I wasnt trying to read trip. It was a given he was the accuser and and hallia was up for trial. Not knowing his meta as a player has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to make a valid case, so your point is moot.

 

The point he made that sold me the most was that she was willing to vote someone who was going to accuse another town read of hers, as if she wasn't even aware of it. And if she wasn't aware that meant that her reads were most likely bogus. Hallia is not stupid. So my take was most likely scum than loltownhalli.

 

Added to that was her defense which I found rather flat. And then in the rebuttal she didnt even bother to respond to trip's case. Or give out her own final reads.

 

It all spelled out duh. 

 

 

 

Why did you vote no?

 

@Cass    this one

[darc-star]

16 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

 

It's literally what I posted... a list of people that have teammate equity and a list of people that DON'T  make sense as teammates.  It's basically a way of taking notes, especially early, so that you can rule out players once you start getting flips.

 

If you look at her QTs from town games in PerC, you'll see shes done it a lot.  She and I have discussed it in the past, and it's not something I typically do but see the value in, so I was happy to oblige. 

 

Lol me

I was kinda thinking it was something else for some reason, I've always heard that referred to as (non) associations

Then yea, you don't get quite so much credit for it

You still get a little though, as it seems tough and useful

 

15 hours ago, Katiora said:

I don't think I explained today. I did explain towards the end of D1. Hallia is someone I've played with a lot and up to that time I didn't see anything that made ME think she was scum and she is someone I feel I get better at reading as the game progresses. She normally makes good reads and it becomes a thing where if I'm having trouble reading her after D2 I feel like she's probably scum. And with it being D1 I am generally unsure of any votes and not being able to have competing trains is throwing me off and makes me nervous to vote yes on anyone at the present. It's not abnormal for me to not vote at all D1 mostly because I just don't know who to vote lol  

 

Ok, it must have been someone else who didn't vote in time then

 

You sure we're not the same type? Lol

 

15 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

 

Updated Reads with Chris! (...I'm Chris)

 

Q: What do you think about Kat?

A: I think I might have fakepeeked a wolf.

 

Well... If you did, at least you don't have to keep it up all game

 

13 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

@seph

(Wow, it's difficult deleting within these boxes, and i can't delete the tag)

 

I'm really interested in her response to you saying she could be a deepwolf lol

 

Wasn't actually going to reply, but i did laugh at the time =P

 

Can't blame him for not knowing me, plus it seems he really *wants* to believe I'm scum (or at least keep me open as a possibility)

 

7 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

am i the only one who reads this and thinks " so uve never done it before this game but now you have to?"

 

I... Didn't

But now i kinda do

 

3 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

 

No, it's annoying me. 

 

The disappointing part is hat he is prolly town cause as scum he wouldnt have the balls to try at me during the day... he'd rather off me at night. But I seriously didnt expect him to be this dense.

 

And ftr @dicetosser1, I was making a joke. It had no in game implications. I was just trying to have an enjoyable tongue in cheek moment with you. Thanks for ruining it.

 

Go ahead, be the accuser.

 

 

This feels a lot like town frustration to me

Or maybe I've just seen too many suicidal town before

 

3 hours ago, Andrej said:

 

 

What do you mean by the last part? If you're saying what I think you're saying, then I would disagree on a fundamental level because the way the game is designed with votes being made in private changes the normal dynamic for normal wagon evaluation. Obviously Hallia isn't a good example, but let's say that sometime in the future of the game a Townie gets put up, and a majority of the Town players vote to save them. That changes the light of who voted to kill them, right?

 

Agreed

At least, i think so, like... There's no point in a vote if people are just going to vote where they think the majority will vote instead of what they feel

 

3 hours ago, Andrej said:

 

Penguins or Lenlo.

 

Penguins is arguing semantics to avoid the actual point I was making and just generally is exaggerating stuff that's happened in the game to frame them in a different way that's positive for them.

 

I would say that's nai for him, but if i had to guess, I'd say he cares more about appearance as scum, and might try to be more factually correct

Probably gonna stick with nai though, because otherwise I'd be assuming that hes actually been able to read everything

[Cass]

16 hours ago, Katiora said:

*Sighs* I'm not a wolf. Quit tinfoiling me. That's reserved for me to do. At no time does wolf me say I don't want to lynch Hallia. Wolf me ignores wolf partners at much as possible and with her not being here a whole lot mentioning her would NOT have happened especially not to say I didn't want to lynch her.

 

 

I kinda believe the bold. Didn't you say you didn't want to lynch her D1 though? I think that would be a plausible thing for you/anyone to say as WW and still maintain distance?

 

15 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

At this point I'm thinking of voting either Clov or Cass.

 

I know Clov can be a weasal but from the posts I've read in real time I feel comfartable with him so far. He feels extra proactive... ie he's not so much leading but on the verge of dragging us all and if he was doing it for show I feel like it's overkill. Being prominant would have sufficed.

 

 

15 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

@Clovdyx what's darc's meta? Differences between scum/town game?

 

I liked these, for example ? Nynn what were you thinking wrt Darc?