You're In Good Hands: The Beau Tomteer Law Firm Mafia GAME THREAD

[Cass]

13 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

vote Katiora

 

Really. 

 

I like this for the possibility of #moarKat tbh

 

 

13 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

If I was made accuser right now and had to pick someone, I'd accuse Penguin.  This is solely because I was making a mental list at my desk before lunch to try to organize my thoughts.  He was the only person I couldnt remember.

 

I have no idea how successful this method would be. 

 

#irrationalfear

 

13 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

 

I have no idea I feel about Cass being made accuser.  And it has like nothing to do with whether shes town or not

 

Lol me?  

 

Personally, I'd rather not - but this is laziness and knowing time is short and there are no ISOs and I will still never #walkaway or #decide unless something super jumps out at me and instead I'll just drive myself further insane.

 

13 hours ago, Andrej said:

 

I would include Darthe in that forgettable category. 

Cos he hasn't been around, but lolDarthe.

 

13 hours ago, Andrej said:

Cass/Kat D1 accusers

 

golden

I wish I could lol

[Cass]

1 hour ago, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Why though?

 

1 hour ago, seph said:

because randomly adding a town higher to your poe based off a few posts makes it harder to ml and looks sketchy if you backtrack. She did give herself a bit of a out aonim interested to see what she says when she catches up but it felt good.

 

that may have just been me liking the compliment lol but still, overall I think it was more of a town mindset. And since I was already leaning that way it made me feel much better.

 

That awkward moment when you have the exact same feels and simultaneously wonder if it's somehow just too easy.

[Cass]

WRT AJ-Lenlo. Still haven't found the beginning of the AJ won't vote Nyn, Lenlo criticises that thing, so holding out on that for now

 

On 11/29/2018 at 3:38 PM, Lenlo said:

The last game I played was like a year ago, so I am sorta flyin on outdated information for this game. Gonna be fun, but don't expect me to be able to fill you in on any new developments.

 

From what I remember of AJ, as a wolf he is still pretty confident and composed. What I tend to look for is how easy it is to sway him. I feel like town AJ will stick to the guns, other people can deal with it. Wolf would be more willing to shift if it means a decent lynch.

 

But I also suck at this game sooo...

 

I don't hate this assessment of AJ. I want to say it resonates with impressions I have from games with him. Something something that game when we were VV and near the end there was something about ?Tiink and Kaylee? 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 3:43 PM, darc-star said:

 

Do you think that'll show up in this game? Voting for a town read is pretty different to lynching scum

 

On 11/29/2018 at 3:50 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

AJ, do you have any thoughts on Lenlo?

 

On 11/29/2018 at 4:03 PM, Andrej said:

 

His last post was interesting to read.

 

So far I’ve got that he’s following along and responding to some stuff and despite what you may think it’s not as alarming as maybe you’d normally think?

 

On 11/29/2018 at 4:04 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

What do you mean by the bolded?  Are they a player that normally gets a lot of heat early on or?

 

On 11/29/2018 at 4:11 PM, Andrej said:

 

Nah, I wouldn’t say normally. Lenlo just tends to ping me a lot because I think our approach is different and he gets bored as Town. I tend to view apathy as ~scummy so I’ve pushed him in the past before and been wrong. Our last game was kinda bad ?

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 4:12 PM, Andrej said:

And in the event I forget about what I just said and start to go down the tunnel, kindly remind me.

 

Or roughly. Whatever

 

@Andrej / @Lenlo what was the last game?

 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 4:15 PM, Lenlo said:

Whats that supposed to mean ;_;

 

I used to be good decent at this game AJ! Im sorry I started sucking!

 

Its not bored as town, its mostly just when people feel the need to start posting 200+ page games. There comes a point where I can't keep up with the pace, and so stop trying to keep up. I read maybe 5 pages back each time I pop in just to see whats goin on.

 

So uh... don't do that I guess? 

 

On 11/29/2018 at 4:18 PM, Lenlo said:

That said, I used to get a lot of heat at some points. I tend to treat D1 as a wash, unless people get really into it, because most of the time its filled with fluff and jokes and nothing gets done. That pings people, and then its a hole thats both hard to get out of, and one I don't feel the need to get out of because I think my actions were justified.

 

Pride has killed me more than once.

 

On 11/29/2018 at 4:19 PM, Andrej said:

Lenlo I would never say you suck ?

 

(and I don’t think you do either)

 

I guess more what I meant is that I think you take more pride/have more fun in playing a good scum game vs town. The entire reason I flipped my read on you in the Ragnarok game was because you started hot and sorta fell flat (like most of us did) and I was really starting to reach at that point for a new direction

 

On 11/29/2018 at 4:21 PM, Lenlo said:

Oh, thats an accurate statement then. I take a certain degree of pride in wolfing well and tricking for a win. I will admit to having had a higher activity as a wolf most of the time. Or a 3rd Party. It's a bit of a novelty.

 

 

This reads like genuine interaction to me, the last bold from AJ is particularly something that I think ?might? be less likely to be included in a WW interaction. If I had to order my comfortableness with each of their posts/tones here it would be slightly in favour of AJ, but I don't necessarily think Lenlo sounds bad, just NAI/can't read him.

 

@Katiora @Hallia @Nynaeve @Darthe @dicetosser1/ anyone else who can read Lenlo

 

What are your thoughts on AJ's assessment of Town Len v. Scum Len 'falling off' and what do you make of him here compared to Ragnarok/other games you've played with him?

[Clovdyx]

Going back to bed, but if you guys don't feel comfortable voting me (I get it... I'm me), voting Kat is probably the most +EV thing you can do.

 

Going to re-read (or actually read for the first time? Tbh) the Lenlo/AJ exchange tomorrow when I get home, but I like Lenlo sticking to his guns to go against the grain on a strong player a lot at a surface level.  I'd love other opinions there.

[Clovdyx]

Cass, if you keep making posts answering what I'm about to ask before I do it, we're going to have words.

 

They'll be flattery ❤️

 

Gngn all

[Cass]

Chris!

 

Lol timing. I got double distracted looking for a Dice post in a MQ and then finding the AJ-Lenlo intros, but

 

... 

 

Why most +EV, for Kat?

[Cass]

2 minutes ago, Clovdyx said:

Cass, if you keep making posts answering what I'm about to ask before I do it, we're going to have words.

 

They'll be flattery ❤️

 

Gngn all

 

AFAIK, that's the wrong exchange.

 

But also. 

 

See above and the MQ I was heading back to next, LOL.

 

 

And  regardless of potential pocketing ❤️

[Cass]

 

14 hours ago, Katiora said:

Only vote me if you want me to fail miserably because I suck at D1 And clov knows it. Evil man. 

 

The question is, is it AI at all/does he more likely do this from a Scum or Town POV?

 

For now I see advantage in having you as Accuser in that it could result in more D1 thoughts from you than we'd usually get.

 

I'm not sure what to make of the fact that the Kat/Cass options are the ones he's talking about. I'm hugely indecisive and he knows it, and as far as I recall, you don't like deciding on D1 either. 

 

But the thing about Chris is I always feel like I'm sixtythousand layers below him in understanding play, and asking for his motivation on plans/further information is either going to wind up with an NAI answer from a Wolf or unproductive bungling of some good Town plan.

 

 

14 hours ago, Katiora said:

 

 

Honestly I always WANT to read Chris town... and AJ for that matter. They're awesome townies... when they're town lol I do always constantly tinfoil on them though. For example. I've had hardcore tinfoil that the reason that AJ is so happy this game is because he's scummates with Clov. That scares the crap out of me lol 

+1 so hard to all of the above.

 

13 hours ago, TrippedOnReality said:

 

I actually liked the list itself.  I just wasn't sure if it was something dice normally does as both alignments or not.  I don't think it's that hard to make a good reads list as scum when you have the answer, but the fact that it was unprompted and that he's sharing his thoughts seems ~good.

 

What makes it good or not from your perspective?

[Cass]

On 11/29/2018 at 5:38 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

 

 

Cass = town

 

AJ   thinking town. tone wise he sounds much happier then last game. Do have the thought tucked away in my pocket that that could be because he has an active scum team this time. But happy with him with that caveat

 

lenlo   thinking town. Again its tone. hes not as jokey as he often is D1 but the tone is good.

 

halli    i think halli is gonna scare me. more on this below

 

clov   dont trust cause hes clov. hes ALWAYS on my watch list.

 

happy enuff with the perc invaders   especially tripped and darc in that order.  trippeds interested and seems to be trying to work things out. Darcs here and posting unrestrained if u get me.

 

 

 

 

 

Hugs his nyn.

 

 

 

 

 

OK the first post is why im gonna be scared i think. Hallia and i are usually much more likely to butt heads then to get on the same page.

Last game we got on the same page early and only butted heads on AJ late.

Here shes pretty much reading my mind.

 

hence the scary. not ready to stick a town label on her yet but not gonna stick a scum one on now either.


Also @TrippedOnReality   it WAS you asking about AJs scum game right? that last game we played   if u go read it keep in mind AJs not completely his normal scum self there. he had an inactive team, a on the ball town team so he got a bit frustrated and it came out a bit.

 

Dice's reads list post. Mentions everyone by name but Penguin and Darthe.

 

I'm not sure what to make of everything being a Towny lean except standard Clov response and the thing about Halli and him melding with AJ.

 

The Halli thing reads weird and I generally associate his Town game with a feistier style. 

 

But the latter might just be because when it happens it's generally louder than anything else he's posted. 

 

I have zero opinion on the fact that it includes a list.

 

TLDR: Don't see anything particularly TOWNDICE!! here yet but #earlydays/has-he-posted-more?/I-will-have-to-check/wait-and-see.

[Cass]

Kat, I honestly believe if you're Townyou you can do this fine  

 

Kat[/color=red]

[Cass]

FWIW skimming some other games I don't think Dice making a list is particularly AI. 

[Cass]

On 11/29/2018 at 8:27 PM, Nynaeve said:

And AJ hasnt done anything out of his scum range. So I'm pretty null on him atp. Someone asked about it somewhere.

 

What are you making of Dice?

[dicetosser1]

1 hour ago, Cass said:

 

 

Lol timing. I got double distracted looking for a Dice post in a MQ and then finding the AJ-Lenlo intros, but

 

 

 

 

i see you found it.  Anything you need from me?

[seph]

9 minutes ago, Cass said:

FWIW skimming some other games I don't think Dice making a list is particularly AI. 

Morning! And love all of cass posts last night/morning for her lol.

 

Yea without any confirming I’m not viewing it as anything as my memory is shotty at best.

 

One thing to keep in mind is if we don’t go through with the person the accuser picks the we essentially have no lunch. And we are back to day 1. So whoever we put in we need to have the mindset that they are indeed the best person to lynch barring something alignment revealing.

[Cass]

7 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

 

i see you found it.  Anything you need from me?

 

The secret TOWNDICE!TOWNDICE!TOWNDICE!TOWNDICE! code, and if you can manage it, a dose of decisiveness and a clone of me.

 

And game thoughts/opinions on alllll the people if they're not between p.14 and here. Pls ?

[Cass]

6 minutes ago, seph said:

Morning! And love all of cass posts last night/morning for her lol.

 

Yea without any confirming I’m not viewing it as anything as my memory is shotty at best.

 

One thing to keep in mind is if we don’t go through with the person the accuser picks the we essentially have no lunch. And we are back to day 1. So whoever we put in we need to have the mindset that they are indeed the best person to lynch barring something alignment revealing.

 

Ideally, yes, it's nice if a wolf ends up lunched on the hook.

 

The question is, how do you propose to do that? With minimal risk of corruption and maximum possible info on all involved?

 

I don't think there's an answer. 

 

The real value I think comes from analysing the case and votes and reasoning afterwards, regardless?

 

#NFI

[Cass]

@dicetosser1

 

Also, for you to vote for the person you want to be the accuser.

 

Or elaborate on why I would be your preferred person in that position,

 

given that I'm already giving thoughts and will continue to do so

 

and that I have no strong scum leans/no-one but scum know who the perfect lynch are?

[dicetosser1]

7 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

The secret TOWNDICE!TOWNDICE!TOWNDICE!TOWNDICE! code, and if you can manage it, a dose of decisiveness and a clone of me.

 

And game thoughts/opinions on alllll the people if they're not between p.14 and here. Pls ?

 

how am i sposed to give you the code?? YOU WONT TELL ME WHAT IT IS!!!!

 

 

only ones i havent really given are pengy  and thats one im unsure of   darthe    hasnt been here   think thats it??

 

i KINDA gave a nyn one i guess

 

[Cass]

18 minutes ago, seph said:

Morning! And love all of cass posts last night/morning for her lol.

 

Yea without any confirming I’m not viewing it as anything as my memory is shotty at best.

 

One thing to keep in mind is if we don’t go through with the person the accuser picks the we essentially have no lunch. And we are back to day 1. So whoever we put in we need to have the mindset that they are indeed the best person to lynch barring something alignment revealing.

 

All of them?

[dicetosser1]

1 minute ago, Cass said:

@dicetosser1

 

Also, for you to vote for the person you want to be the accuser.

 

Or elaborate on why I would be your preferred person in that position,

 

given that I'm already giving thoughts and will continue to do so

 

and that I have no strong scum leans/no-one but scum know who the perfect lynch are?

 

im quite happy with my vote, tho i knew you wouldnt be. Im guessing ure having flashbacks to that kingmaker game lol.

if not you then id prefer me cause i know im town but i also know that wont happen.  next would be the busboy lenlo.

[Cass]

18 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

 

You would think so,given that hes posted like twice, but I actually had no problem remembering him.  That's actually why I'm concerned about bwn - hes posted substantially more but justfaded into the thread.

 

I'm fine nuking Darthe atp

 

I need to catch up on BWN.

 

We're NOT nuking Darthe.

[Cass]

18 hours ago, seph said:

Let me clarify that for you.

I dislike how you posted it because it, nothing more.

it assumed I was a wolf no matter how the outcome came out. Without actually calling me a wolf the post implied it with how it was worded, obviously you commented on it already as it wasn’t the case. 

 

It never changed how I viewed you lol

 

Halp.

 

How were you viewing her?

 

You dislike how she posted it because it  -what- nothing more?

[Cass]

9 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

im quite happy with my vote, tho i knew you wouldnt be. Im guessing ure having flashbacks to that kingmaker game lol.

if not you then id prefer me cause i know im town but i also know that wont happen.  next would be the busboy lenlo.

 

Why?

 

Why not Kat/Tripped?

[Cass]

13 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

Does anyone think anyone of Cass/Seph/Dice would be either a great or awful choice to accuse?  I don't care which direction - just interested if anyone feels strongly about any of them. 

 

That's pretty much my "I'm not going to accuse them but I would consider voting them" group ATP.  Probanly from best -> worst.

 

What puts each of us in your WTL?

 

And do you mean that I'm your top vote for scum of these three?

[dicetosser1]

7 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

Why?

 

Why not Kat/Tripped?

 

because im not real sure either of them is town.  kat particularly just cause she isnt here to prove it.

 

I feel pretty sure on len being town