PotC Mafia Game - mafia won!!

[Katiora]

45 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

So far what has caught my attention is both Darthe and Kat poked at my solving as being 'tryhard'. Feel like there might be something there. Something to think about if either of them flip scum.

 

Eldrick2 

.... So me and Darthe both pointing out a very well known scum technique could be "something"...... ok then...

 

Honestly the only way it would be something would be if either of us had really tried to push that to insinuate that you were in fact scum. I don't think that either one of us has done that or at least I know I haven't. I've tinfoiled you pretty hard (and still do) but I don't REALLY think, at this juncture, you are scum and wouldn't try to push a lynch on you. Unless there was a counter claim against you I think it would be foolhardy at this point.

 

Though I have to admit claiming 1 time doc would be an awesome scum move. You don't really have to worry about proving it because you only had the one and you already stated you used it on yourself last night, which would, at this point make you the same as a vanilla town. However, if no one counterclaims it makes you look town, regardless of alignment. In a simple game like this with only 9 players it would be an easy bet to make that there is possibly NO doc. Only 2 scum with 6 vanilla town and a cop. That wouldn't be an abnormal set up for a simple game of this size. Calling 1xdoc would be an easy ploy to permanently try to "clear" yourself. see... there's the tinfoil setting in. 

 

Cass/Darthe/somebody tell me i'm overthinking this please.

 

kat6

[Darthe]

1 hour ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

Yay rereads.

 

Heads up to mobile users. Opening a "reply to quote" in a new tab doesn't work. I had one about Darthe, but will have to dig it up.

 

Anyway, resurfacing this post because dice flipped town.

 

Eldrick2 

 

Oh that sucks.

 

1 hour ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

I am counting you in the not contributing. I'm working my way through a reread, so my impression might change, but that's my current stance on you.

 

The active contributors are myself, Cass and Amega. By the misdirection, I was referring to the rest. Yourself included.

 

Eldrick2 

 

Frankly that's horse crap.  I am doing as much to pull my weight as anyone, more than most in fact.  

 

1 hour ago, amegakure said:

imma bust up some fools on COD then ill try a list... Man i hate lists...

 

hey does anyone here play fortnite? Games lit. 

 

I'd def play some fortnite with you, though I can't promise I'll be any good

 

1 hour ago, Eldrick4221 said:

So far what has caught my attention is both Darthe and Kat poked at my solving as being 'tryhard'. Feel like there might be something there. Something to think about if either of them flip scum.

 

Eldrick2 

 

I'm popping up everywhere for you now huh? 

 

18 minutes ago, Dragoon said:

You're right it isn't.

 

8.Dragoon  (11 of 50)

 

So ask questions or make an accusation or something.  Gotta get involved if you want to have a voice.

[amegakure]

LIST:

 

Amega townie AF

 

Pretty confident he's town: Dragoon.

probably town: Cass................................

MEH town: Eldrick. Not sure how i feel about 1x doc or the thought process behind claiming it. Not willing to go after that though. 

 

 

Darthe: Dudes being nice to me.. Saved me from a lynch which could have been a townie with a good read or it could have been strategic to put me as an easy lynch later because of my play style. So moderate to null town. 

 

Probs scum: BG, Kat. If those are lock scum (which i feel like they are) or they are just not being very good townies. i feel it comes down to darthe/cass/eld. for the last one. If im wrong about dragoon he isn't lasting the later rounds with the 4 of us. although a im tinfoiling on the idea of a scum pair being in that trio but i dont think worrying about that right now is helpful.

 

Kinda feeling meh atm. Need some time to clear my thoughts and ill come back at this tomorrow. Might pop in before bed. 

[Darthe]

4 minutes ago, Katiora said:

.... So me and Darthe both pointing out a very well known scum technique could be "something"...... ok then...

 

Honestly the only way it would be something would be if either of us had really tried to push that to insinuate that you were in fact scum. I don't think that either one of us has done that or at least I know I haven't. I've tinfoiled you pretty hard (and still do) but I don't REALLY think, at this juncture, you are scum and wouldn't try to push a lynch on you. Unless there was a counter claim against you I think it would be foolhardy at this point.

 

Though I have to admit claiming 1 time doc would be an awesome scum move. You don't really have to worry about proving it because you only had the one and you already stated you used it on yourself last night, which would, at this point make you the same as a vanilla town. However, if no one counterclaims it makes you look town, regardless of alignment. In a simple game like this with only 9 players it would be an easy bet to make that there is possibly NO doc. Only 2 scum with 6 vanilla town and a cop. That wouldn't be an abnormal set up for a simple game of this size. Calling 1xdoc would be an easy ploy to permanently try to "clear" yourself. see... there's the tinfoil setting in. 

 

Cass/Darthe/somebody tell me i'm overthinking this please.

 

kat6

Good post, great actually.

 

You're not overthinking, that's what I was talking about earlier.  To add to it, his pushes are way bolder post claim, and it makes me more confident in my tinfoil, which is a real issue cause I am working to get a couple of people really cleared if I can.

 

I like the thread now fwiw.  There's some really good interactions and these posts feel like they have meat now.

[Katiora]

4 minutes ago, amegakure said:

LIST:

 

Amega townie AF

 

Pretty confident he's town: Dragoon.

probably town: Cass................................

MEH town: Eldrick. Not sure how i feel about 1x doc or the thought process behind claiming it. Not willing to go after that though. 

 

 

Darthe: Dudes being nice to me.. Saved me from a lynch which could have been a townie with a good read or it could have been strategic to put me as an easy lynch later because of my play style. So moderate to null town. 

 

Probs scum: BG, Kat. If those are lock scum (which i feel like they are) or they are just not being very good townies. i feel it comes down to darthe/cass/eld. for the last one. If im wrong about dragoon he isn't lasting the later rounds with the 4 of us. although a im tinfoiling on the idea of a scum pair being in that trio but i dont think worrying about that right now is helpful.

 

Kinda feeling meh atm. Need some time to clear my thoughts and ill come back at this tomorrow. Might pop in before bed. 

 

 

why do you say I'm probably scum??? I'd like more information... I think I"m a decent townie.. I'm always inactive a bit on D1 especially when D1 is 90% on the weekend. I stated in the sign up thread that weekends are grey for me. Darthe or Cass can vouch for me that I'm rarely around on weekends or a whole lot on nights. 

 

It seems to me like you just picked the two people who haven't been posting worthless conjectures and threw them together to be scum... I hate to tell you, but that's not how mafia works and you will mislynch townies with that a lot which will lead to your lynch. Just because you're active doesn't make you town and just because you're not constantly blathering and filling the thread with posts doesn't make you scum. 

 

I think in D2 so far I've put some good information out there and started being more active, which is my norm, regardless of alignment. I do ask that you at least give me a chance before throwing me under the "inactive must be scum" bus and I'll try to not hold it against you that you have been wrong about pretty much everything I"ve been able to see proof of at this time. I.E. Dice's alignment and as I know my own. 

[amegakure]

Quote

You say you have the feeling that the wolves are running the thread, which is possible. It's possible an active scum is taking advantage of the relative quietness. This is a large part of why I self-protected. The fact that I'm still alive tells me this scenario is unlikely.

It's more likely that the scum is hanging back and letting town run amuck. The more I think about it, your concept of scum running the game feels like a misdirection to draw attention away from those that aren't contributing as much. - copied from eldrick

 

This is interesting. How do you go from stating you had the same mind set as darthe prior to NK to flipping that to him using it as a ploy for misdirection? 

[bgrishinko]

15 hours ago, Katiora said:

 all of town. Trust me if I were mafia it would not have been dice that died. 

 

A. Wifom.
B. I'm pretty sure that's the point. The only person that anyone had really in their town list if I remember was Eldrick. 

 

10 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

Dice. Was not expecting dice.

It didn't even cross my mind that he would be an option (sorry dice)

 

I thought it would have been between me, as the vocal townie pushing the game toward solving, or darthe because of his comment about revealing, making it sound like he had a PR.

 

I chose wrong, and have wasted my 1x Doc . If there's a cop out there, know that I can't protect you. 

 

Eldrick2 

 

Ah.... now see... This claim actually now has pushed yourself down on my trusting list. It's too easy a claim. Small game advertised as basic. With 9 people I don't know there'd be a cop. By day 3 a cop would have either have found mafia or have 3 guaranteed town people, could reveal and win. I highly doubt 3 scum because by day 3 scum would already have won. Whether there's a Doc or not, who's to say. But revealing right now is weird and doesn't serve a great purpose I think.

 

10 hours ago, Eldrick4221 said:

You say you have the feeling that the wolves are running the thread, which is possible. It's possible an active scum is taking advantage of the relative quietness. This is a large part of why I self-protected. The fact that I'm still alive tells me this scenario is unlikely.

It's more likely that the scum is hanging back and letting town run amuck. The more I think about it, your concept of scum running the game feels like a misdirection to draw attention away from those that aren't contributing as much.

 

Eldrick2 

 

Unless you are scum. Then wolves could still be running the thread.

 

1 hour ago, Eldrick4221 said:

More thoughts on the "why was dice killed" question. The main problem with this discussion is every instance also has "scum wanted it to look like that"

 

That being said, the reason that makes the most sense to me is "Amega killed him to relieve the pressure", which is ofc paired with " scum killed dice to set up Amega". See the problem in this kind of thinking?

 

Eldrick2 

 

This is true. Wifom is delicious to wolves. And yet you start making up reasons again. The only good reason here is "Killing Dice will confuse everyone"

BG4 (1/50)

[bgrishinko]

@Katiora I feel the same way about Amega's lock scum, lol. Like, what'd we ever do to you to even think that but be less active than everyone else Day 1?

 

BG4 (2/50)

[amegakure]

5 minutes ago, Katiora said:

 

 

why do you say I'm probably scum??? I'd like more information... I think I"m a decent townie.. I'm always inactive a bit on D1 especially when D1 is 90% on the weekend. I stated in the sign up thread that weekends are grey for me. Darthe or Cass can vouch for me that I'm rarely around on weekends or a whole lot on nights. 

 

It seems to me like you just picked the two people who haven't been posting worthless conjectures and threw them together to be scum... I hate to tell you, but that's not how mafia works and you will mislynch townies with that a lot which will lead to your lynch. Just because you're active doesn't make you town and just because you're not constantly blathering and filling the thread with posts doesn't make you scum. 

 

I think in D2 so far I've put some good information out there and started being more active, which is my norm, regardless of alignment. I do ask that you at least give me a chance before throwing me under the "inactive must be scum" bus and I'll try to not hold it against you that you have been wrong about pretty much everything I"ve been able to see proof of at this time. I.E. Dice's alignment and as I know my own. 

i feel like it could take a town vibe from that. Thanks. However before you point fingers lets see what your contributions bring shall we :) 

 

@bgrishinko i have asked for some questions and you've taken a look at the thread apprently and just ignored them. 

[bgrishinko]

2 minutes ago, amegakure said:

i feel like it could take a town vibe from that. Thanks. However before you point fingers lets see what your contributions bring shall we :) 

 

@bgrishinko i have asked for some questions and you've taken a look at the thread apprently and just ignored them. 

 

Fair enough. Though I'd prioritized staying current in the thread than going back to re-read about my general feelings, but I have more time now, so I'll go back and find your questions and respond.

BG4 (3/50)

[amegakure]

let me know if youd prefer me to re format them. I know that was the original issue. 

[bgrishinko]

2 minutes ago, amegakure said:

let me know if youd prefer me to re format them. I know that was the original issue. 

 

That's just what made me miss the questions. Then my mind had moved on to other things.

BG4 (4/50)

[Eldrick4221]

28 minutes ago, amegakure said:

 

This is interesting. How do you go from stating you had the same mind set as darthe prior to NK to flipping that to him using it as a ploy for misdirection? 

 

Huh?

 

From what you bolded, I can see you're trying to connect my personal reasoning of who to protect with my attack at the point that Darthe made about scum probably being in active posters.

 

I was torn between protecting Darthe because of his post about the mass reveal and feeling like I was a prime target (active and loud).

 

My thought was personal and not shared on the thread, until I made the comparison to Darthe's post. His was a shot at the active players. You saying these are the same is mind boggling. One is about who yo protect. One is about who to attack. 

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

1 hour ago, Katiora said:

So me and Darthe both pointing out a very well known scum technique could be "something"...... ok then...

 

Honestly the only way it would be something would be if either of us had really tried to push that to insinuate that you were in fact scum. I don't think that either one of us has done that or at least I know I haven't.

 

It was a significant point of Darthe's case against me. I noticed in my reread that you did it too.

 

This whole post bothers me because of the tinfoil slide to hide how you really feel. You start saying one thing and end up saying another.

 

Eldrick2 

[BFG]

Votecount

 

Darthe (1): Eldrick

 

not voting (6): amega, BG, Cass, Darthe, dragoon, Kat

 

Confirmed end of day countdown

 

 

Pleas note slight change to timer since I'm bad at time zones/reading

[Eldrick4221]

45 minutes ago, bgrishinko said:

But revealing right now is weird and doesn't serve a great purpose I think

 

The purpose was, in its entirety, to let the cop know I wasted my protect and they can't count on the protection.

 

I know when I'm cop, I have the safety net of "I can reveal once I have a little info cuz there's a doc that can protect me while I keep looking". That net is gone.

 

Eldrick2

[Nynaeve]

Ty bfg <3

[amegakure]

um no i dont know what you just said but it sounds like nonsense. It was pretty cut and dry. 

 

Darthe says scum could be running the game.

 

Eldrick self protects (admittedly for the same reason) 

 

Eldrick after flip says a mutual thought somehow makes darthe seems scummy, misdirecting from players hiding out. 

 

uh what.

[bgrishinko]

On 2/23/2018 at 12:53 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

calling it now   amega/eldrick scumteam

 

On 2/23/2018 at 3:24 AM, amegakure said:

What's your w/l record?

 

On 2/24/2018 at 1:31 AM, amegakure said:

dice you crazy...throwing scum teams around d1.  Thats why i asked about w/l cause that cant be a winning strategy.

 

I know you guys went over all this already but your reactions to the exchange are worth revisting while I'm looking back.

 

On 2/24/2018 at 2:54 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

You've interacted with dice a bit now. Have you garnered anything?

 

How do you feel about his push on you?

 

Who do you want to pursue as possible scum?

 

On 2/24/2018 at 4:43 AM, amegakure said:

Idk but you seem pretty interested in dice. Who do you want to lynch?

 

I think I left out some key parts of this because the nested quotes don't work... anyway, your reaction to Eld is interesting because rather than being reactionary (which so far seems to be your standard state of being) you give him the benefit of the doubt and look for more of his opinions.

 

On 2/25/2018 at 12:54 AM, amegakure said:

train? i think you're responding to pressure rather poorly. Omgus much!?

 

On 2/25/2018 at 1:24 AM, amegakure said:

You're acting like a child.

 

On 2/25/2018 at 1:40 AM, amegakure said:

That's not name calling. If that crosses a line that's fine, i'll rein it in. Just describing his reaction to my vote. As such i'm more than happy to leave it there. 

 

Seems a bit provacative.

 

On 2/25/2018 at 2:21 AM, amegakure said:

Do my eyes perceive a Slip? Probably just a poor choice of words. But I cannot ignore this.

 

What is the point of saying this. You cant ignore it? Its not different that Calder labeling himself as the Scum Who Was Promised. (super epic btw) Its fluff and darthe being sarcastic. 

 

The 3 posts above amused me simply because of the timing of him calling out people maybe pretending to forget tagging their posts as a scum maneuver... then immediately forgets to tag his next post. lol

Kinda feel like Darthe said/did that as bait. Scum would jump on the opportunity. 

 

Bg could be leaning scum for me but this is only one post im not going to rush anything. Im still pretty settled on dice.
4. BG (2/50) <---- stealing this post count number idea.

 

Ok, so this is you quoting me, then "asking questions" that I never answered apparently. I will have helped you by bolding your responses, but can we just agree from now on NOT to reply inside of quote blocks? Your responses can't be re-quoted without manually copying and pasting which is what I did here. It's a pain.

 

So from this one post, early in the game, I'm leaning scum for you because I push on Darthe a bit? Also, let it be known here that the only question you actually ask me is generally why I'd call out Darthe like that.

 

On 2/25/2018 at 2:30 AM, amegakure said:

@dicetosser1 You can saw humor all you want but you were going for a weak attempt for a reaction. I knew thats what it was. I asked about you W/l cause i'm an A$$. It's not indicative of alignment in anyway.  I didn't have enough of a read on you for just that because at least you were trying. Eldrick went after you though and instead of getting in the way i wanted to see how you responded to his pressure and how he hunts. It wasn't great. So i voted you. You responded with an Omgus. case closed. 

 

@Cass Please don't use meta on me. I have changed a lot since hackers, and significantly from the earliest games. I do believe i phoned in during the hackers game because school was more pressing for me. I will not and never will play the way others expect me to play as a townie. If that gets me lynched, all's fair. 

 

What's wrong with getting a reaction? It was Day 1. This is pretty much the best way to get information on people day 1. Poke and prod, be a little bit cavalier, and see what happens. The fact that you find this scummy is interesting. What should anyone do? Just kind of hang around until someone trips over their keyboard and accidentally types out I"m;ladsfjfmnScum..;fdkjlf. ?? 

 

On 2/25/2018 at 3:11 AM, amegakure said:

My read is that you are playing both sides of the eldrick/dice thing at first. Now you are focused on me for my vote on dice but i dont see what exactly it is about me that you think is scummy. I voted dice. Sorry that literally nobody else is bothering to play. If you want to take that as over eager thats fine but the way i saw it i had a choice between dice and eldrick and i watched their interactions. Dice is the one who came off scummy. 

 

This sounds like the reactionary Amega I'm used to seeing. :)

 

On 2/25/2018 at 7:04 PM, bgrishinko said:

Still in call till Tuesday so bear with me.

I was trying to bring Darthe out and see how he reacts, given last game I completely misread him he's who I wanted the most interaction with right off the bat so that's why I mentioned him more than anyone else really.

 

Amega calling out other people wondering about how they feel about my content without him having thought about or having any feelings towards me is fishy. Sounds a lot like someone who is looking for coat tails to ride on. 

 

 

Oh look! I answered your questions!

 

On 2/26/2018 at 12:14 AM, amegakure said:

@bg i rectified that and asked some questions. Thoughts? 

 

So then you responded with this... I assumed I missed something else... but re-reading to this point, I'm still not seeing any other questions, so I'm confused. I'll keep reading past this point and see where it takes me.

 

BG4 (5/50)

[Darthe]

11 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

The purpose was, in its entirety, to let the cop know I wasted my protect and they can't count on the protection.

 

I know when I'm cop, I have the safety net of "I can reveal once I have a little info cuz there's a doc that can protect me while I keep looking". That net is gone.

 

Eldrick2

This doesn't match you choosing to self 

protect.

[bgrishinko]

11 minutes ago, Eldrick4221 said:

 

The purpose was, in its entirety, to let the cop know I wasted my protect and they can't count on the protection.

 

I know when I'm cop, I have the safety net of "I can reveal once I have a little info cuz there's a doc that can protect me while I keep looking". That net is gone.

 

Eldrick2

 

What I'm saying is I think a cop in a 9 person basic game could be a little bit OP.

[bgrishinko]

Just now, Darthe said:

This doesn't match you choosing to self 

protect.

 

This is true. Eld, if you have a 1x Doc, why are you wasting it on yourself N1 unless you really super-de-duper think you are def. the NK rather than save it for a Cop reveal?

[bgrishinko]

Blarghy.

BG4 (5 and 6 / 50) ^^^^

[Eldrick4221]

18 minutes ago, amegakure said:

um no i dont know what you just said but it sounds like nonsense. It was pretty cut and dry. 

 

Darthe says scum could be running the game.

 

Eldrick self protects (admittedly for the same reason) 

 

Eldrick after flip says a mutual thought somehow makes darthe seems scummy, misdirecting from players hiding out. 

 

uh what.

 

Ok I see the confusion. I missed a part of my throught process.

 

I was thinking if there was an active scum running the show, they would have killed me to shut me up and have there be more attention on what they were saying.

 

Eldrick2 

[Eldrick4221]

21 minutes ago, Darthe said:

This doesn't match you choosing to self 

protect.

 

No it doesn't.  It was a last minute impulse choice before I went to bed.

 

There hadn't been anything resembling a cop hint.

 

Eldrick2