[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[Cass]

Asked Darthe on it but no real answer so

 

 

 

 

 

 

bam boom bam boom

thanks everyone

we got lucky

We did not. He was an easy pick and all three on the block are good candidates still.

Did you sus him before the wagon built up on him? Because I don't recall that ever.

And I was reading Darthe as stubborn town, but Eldrick's observation of his past behaviour as scum and the fact that he moved over to a new wagon despite the fact that he claims to still believe my/Mrsclov's slot to be scum doesn't make any sense.

If he thought both leading wagons were scum, and we were supposedly his strongest (practically only) scum reads all day (and we know that he likes to be right) and there was no danger of any other competing wagon....why not keep his vote on us since it shouldn't matter to him which one of us flipped?

I'm trying to follow your train of thought here, with the knowledge that NotBob is scum. If Darthe was scum, he would obviously care.

Town=he thought. Scum= he knew

This makes sense from town!Darthe pov but not scum!darthe

@Eldrick I'm interested to hear your explanation of this. Random defense of Darthe in the middle of condemnation of Darthe.

Simple error in thinking on my part.

When I read the post, it sounded like a really good reason for darthe to be town.
That it outweighed the points against him.

I discussed it with Liz, realized what I was thinking didn't make sense, and disregarded it.

 

 

Followed the link back and saving this to puzzle over later because my brain hurts trying to figure out who's more scummy.

 

Initial thoughts are this doesn't go as deep as it should/could on either level which makes me think WW not impossible. GTH Darthe's questioning feels more calculated than Eldrick's reconsideration here though, that reminds me of last game's willingness to switch.

 

 

 

Errors in judgement is kinda my forte'

:(

That's pretty apparent. You started your explanation for voting me with "I discussed it with liz".

 

 

Feels like needless jerd/ fake/reaching.

 

 

 

 

Actually, why would you do that if town? You wouldn't knew her alignment, so no way she has that much weight.

Occam's razor. The fact that liz's one post drew so much attention probably means it's from town. Scum isn't usually that sloppy. If they flip scum, I'll reconsider a lot of stuff, but I don't think it's happening.

That and they have made a lot of sense this game, once the pressure was off of them.

That's a terribly throwaway answer.

 

 

Bold was wrt Eldrick reconsidering faulty logic about Darthe after NB flip,

 

Afaict Darthe  is here saying that's not something Town ever does when they don't know the alignment of the person they're discussing/debating with, and the twisting feels sus.

 

Eld answers but doesn't answer the question. Eugh.

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[Darthe]

Asked Darthe on it but no real answer so

 

 

 

 

 

 

bam boom bam boom

 

thanks everyone

 

we got lucky

We did not. He was an easy pick and all three on the block are good candidates still.

Did you sus him before the wagon built up on him? Because I don't recall that ever.

 

And I was reading Darthe as stubborn town, but Eldrick's observation of his past behaviour as scum and the fact that he moved over to a new wagon despite the fact that he claims to still believe my/Mrsclov's slot to be scum doesn't make any sense.

 

If he thought both leading wagons were scum, and we were supposedly his strongest (practically only) scum reads all day (and we know that he likes to be right) and there was no danger of any other competing wagon....why not keep his vote on us since it shouldn't matter to him which one of us flipped?

I'm trying to follow your train of thought here, with the knowledge that NotBob is scum. If Darthe was scum, he would obviously care.

 

Town=he thought. Scum= he knew

 

This makes sense from town!Darthe pov but not scum!darthe

@Eldrick I'm interested to hear your explanation of this. Random defense of Darthe in the middle of condemnation of Darthe.

Simple error in thinking on my part.

 

When I read the post, it sounded like a really good reason for darthe to be town.

That it outweighed the points against him.

 

I discussed it with Liz, realized what I was thinking didn't make sense, and disregarded it.

Followed the link back and saving this to puzzle over later because my brain hurts trying to figure out who's more scummy.

 

Initial thoughts are this doesn't go as deep as it should/could on either level which makes me think WW not impossible. GTH Darthe's questioning feels more calculated than Eldrick's reconsideration here though, that reminds me of last game's willingness to switch.

 

 

Errors in judgement is kinda my forte'

 

:(

That's pretty apparent. You started your explanation for voting me with "I discussed it with liz".

Feels like needless jerd/ fake/reaching.

 

 

 

Actually, why would you do that if town? You wouldn't knew her alignment, so no way she has that much weight.

Occam's razor. The fact that liz's one post drew so much attention probably means it's from town. Scum isn't usually that sloppy. If they flip scum, I'll reconsider a lot of stuff, but I don't think it's happening.

 

That and they have made a lot of sense this game, once the pressure was off of them.

That's a terribly throwaway answer.

Bold was wrt Eldrick reconsidering faulty logic about Darthe after NB flip,

 

Afaict Darthe is here saying that's not something Town ever does when they don't know the alignment of the person they're discussing/debating with, and the twisting feels sus.

 

Eld answers but doesn't answer the question. Eugh.

You can see why, for me, it looks bad on El.

[Darthe]

Next page get?

[Darthe]

Gotta be close

[Darthe]

I dont wanna see this one anymore

[Darthe]

Dammit.

[Kaylee]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT: (Unchanged)

 

Miss Kizzy Clov (1) - DPR

 

Tiink (1) - Cuth

 

Darthe (2) - Eldrick, Miss Kitty Clov

 

Eldrick (3) - Kronos, Darthe, Tiink

 

Hally (1) - WiFi

 

Not Voting: Cass, Hallia, Dice, Spoof, Crusher, Seph

 

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to string 'em up!

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, 2/17/17 at 9AM MST

[Cuth]

 

 

So then theres no reason beyond "hey wolves might shoot themselves in the foot".

 

Cool, thats a confirmed terrible idea. Can I vote him twice?

 

incorrect

 

this seems to be an event-type thing/ability rather than a regular 'ol wolf kill or something

 

that has some sort of delayed results under certain circumstances

 

as far as i can tell wolves have no reason to target him tonight in any case, but he might die as a result of a certain ability being used

[Wildfire Sedai]

DPR AND THE REST OF YOU GUYS/GALS: 

 

NOTBOB'S SUICIDE IS SO CLOSE TO ANOTHER CLASSIC SCUM!DARTHE MOVE THAT I THINK IT IS ONE!!

 

THE CLASSIC:

 

NOTBOB, ME, AND DARTHE.

 

ME AND A TOWNIE WERE NECK AND NECK. 

 

DARTHE TOLD ME TO VOTE ANYONE BUT THE TOWNIE AND MY SCUMMATES.

 

I DID AND THE VOTES MELTED OFF.  

 

ANOTHER CLASSIC: THE NEXT DAY IN SAME GAME:

 

NOTBOB AND I WERE NECK AND NECK BUT NOTBOB HAD MORE TOWN EQUITY

 

SO THEY SAID I HAD TO GO

 

SO THEY WAITED TILL MOST OF THE ACTIVE PLAYERS AT DEADLINE HAD VOTED 

 

THEN THEY VOTED ME

[Wildfire Sedai]

SCUM TEAM:   NOTBOB, LIZ/MC, DARTHE, CRUSHER/SEPH/ELDRICK/CUTH 

[DPR]

 

So basically, Liz/Clov, Seph and Cuth think each others farts smell good and Eldrick follows all of them around like a lost puppy.

 

Cuth is useless - contributes nothing and brags about it. 

Liz/Clov distract the game by dumping volumes and volumes of content, none of which makes sense.

Seph rubber stamps everything Cuth & Liz/Clov say, and they hold him up as the authority on such things.

Eldrick reminds me of a cartoon character - the one that stands behind the boss/leader and says "yeah!" after everything the boss says.

 

At this point, were not even playing the game so much as we're picking sides on the playground. There are baskets full of unanswered, undiscussed details, but we ain't goin' nowhere until half of this game dies off. I'm kickin' up my feet til then.

 

I lol'd and can see the arguments for logic in this post but the bold at the bottom bothers me.

 

@DPR

If you've got a full handle on the game and believe there's a tonne of details that haven't been answered/discussed, why kick back instead of digging further into it and getting more stuff on record?

 

 

LOL at asking me to put more of my opinions on record. 

 

DPR AND THE REST OF YOU GUYS/GALS: 

 

NOTBOB'S SUICIDE IS SO CLOSE TO ANOTHER CLASSIC SCUM!DARTHE MOVE THAT I THINK IT IS ONE!!

 

THE CLASSIC:

 

NOTBOB, ME, AND DARTHE.

 

ME AND A TOWNIE WERE NECK AND NECK. 

 

DARTHE TOLD ME TO VOTE ANYONE BUT THE TOWNIE AND MY SCUMMATES.

 

I DID AND THE VOTES MELTED OFF.  

 

ANOTHER CLASSIC: THE NEXT DAY IN SAME GAME:

 

NOTBOB AND I WERE NECK AND NECK BUT NOTBOB HAD MORE TOWN EQUITY

 

SO THEY SAID I HAD TO GO

 

SO THEY WAITED TILL MOST OF THE ACTIVE PLAYERS AT DEADLINE HAD VOTED 

 

THEN THEY VOTED ME

 

Right on, Wifi. There are a number of variations of this move (called bussing or a gambit or whatever the latest gen has tagged it) and we're seeing the same thing.

 

SCUM TEAM:   NOTBOB, LIZ/MC, DARTHE, CRUSHER/SEPH/ELDRICK/CUTH 

 

 

The only caution I would express here is that there is likely an inactive mixed into the scum team, so lets not overlook those.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

 

To anyone (like DPR last night) who would like to keep pushing "#309 309 309!" in our faces and ignore the fact that post #309 has been dealt with (in that the premise that it can ONLY come from a scum mindset is negated because it's been proven that I've made similar statements - and successfully done so - as town before), you need to deal with post #1198 http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-d2/?p=3756264

 

And I'll leave my partner to find the follow up post because I don't have time to dig it up before work, but in addition to post 1198 you then need to explain why Darthe then later told me when I asked him why he moved his vote that the reason he did it was that he started to think I could be town and should be given a chance to prove myself. But that my interactions were making him think I was scum again.

 

But the problem, the post that proves that this was a steaming pile of bovine product is that he posted #1198 long before I ever showed up in the thread.

 

And what that means, if I have to spell it out again, is that he first got caught in a scum mindset slip - he moved his vote from his strongest scum read to his weakest scum read for no damn reason if he's town.

 

And then he followed that up by being caught in a lie about what his mindset was at the time he moved his vote, because his actions after the flip do not match what he claims to have been his mindset before the flip.

 

 

 

 

 

what are you talking about? Are you saying you didnt post in the game before 1198?

[Kaylee]

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT: BFG WILL BE REPLACING SPOOF.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT: BFG WILL BE REPLACING SPOOF.

CC approves

[dicetosser1]

Breaking this up cos darn MQs

 

 

Which has been the core of my arguments against Kizzy today - not to be confused with all of my arguments and the vote train against Kizzy yesterday.

 

But Seph says she's cool, so everyone is going with that.

Seriously, you gotta read up.

 

wanna bet? my votes going one of two places today  kizzy clov or eldrick

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here we go - get a load of this:

 

Ok. Had to wait for mod conformation about if I could even talk about it.

 

Last night, presumably at the beginning of night phase, I was to make a choice. I can't go into specifics because of mod communication and whatnot, but suffice to say I'm worried about the result of the choice.

 

Due to the obscure nature of the question, it feels like depending on what I picked, one of us will die. If there's a doc, and they have nothing better to do, I would like protection. I don't trust the outcome of this role, whatever it's doing.

 

If it's result is a kill, I would like to thwart it. It does not feel like a town ability.

 

that's never scum

 

it's also not role-fishing

 

unless the scum team has a watcher or something

 

rolefishing is enticing people to publicly out their roles, which is not the case

 

 

 

And you don't see this as a catalyst to get a Doc to somehow reveal themselves - or to get conversation about roles in general started?

 

You got anything else? 

 

why on earth would the doctor reveal themselves in thread

 

 

They dont have to. it was night. if theyd been stupid enuff to do it and if the mafia had a  watcher then BOOM! doc outted.

 

 

 

 

Btw who is spoof? Also Cass is getting votes soon if she doesn't show

 

I think someone brought him from another site, but I can't remember who or from where. Hoping Cass is okay. :/

 

 

 

Me and Kaylee hit him up.

 

@Darthe hes Spoot  with a t on JN  think hes fairly new there

 

 

@Dice

 

Talk to me about KizzyClov - why are they still scum for you?

Am I wrong in thinking that the Darthe tunnel on them early here is a lot like how he played Eldrick/Sooh in Hackers from the start - in tone and setup/dismissal?

 

And that the interactions with NB here, then little else but KizzyClov criticism and then shifting to NB at the end is sus?

 

And second bold - never go full Zander!

 

 

@Darthe

 

I was clear in the sign up thread I'd be scarce this game, why's it worth a push? 

 

 

 

still dont like the hypocticalness inherent in their vote.

 

Have not liked their tone being SOOO defensive from SO early on,

 

Liz has basically done 3 things  screamed look at them look at them! tunnelled Darthe and said I did things i didnt.

 

oh and argued with DPR so 4.

 

and then i have one burning question in my mind.

 

They were the lead train ALL D1 just about. They very nearly got lynched. 

 

Why was there not even a hint of a claim? Especially if they were as frustrated as they say they are??? With all the pressure on them  wouldnt you just kinda yell at the thread  :"Im the whatever!!  now F off" ??  itd be pretty natural.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

feel free to AMA about my posts last night encouraging mafia to kill me

 

some of you expressed concern about how nothing'd been said about that

 

i'm happy to discuss it

 

What was the point?

 

meh

 

i want the wolf team to kill me because i'm VT

 

but rubbing that enough in their face to make them wonder if i'm a power role saying it in a provocative way to avoid being killed because they think I'm a VT

 

because i might be a power role

 

but i said i'm just a vt

 

if nothing else it's not a huge waste of my time and makes the scum team think a little more

 

 

Seems like it'd help scum team more than town.

 

 

depends on how paranoid the players in the scum team are. That post would drive cass crazy. shed HAVE to kill it imo

[WolfbrotherKronos]

 

 

 

 

feel free to AMA about my posts last night encouraging mafia to kill me

 

some of you expressed concern about how nothing'd been said about that

 

i'm happy to discuss it

What was the point?

meh

 

i want the wolf team to kill me because i'm VT

 

but rubbing that enough in their face to make them wonder if i'm a power role saying it in a provocative way to avoid being killed because they think I'm a VT

 

because i might be a power role

 

but i said i'm just a vt

 

if nothing else it's not a huge waste of my time and makes the scum team think a little more

Seems like it'd help scum team more than town.

depends on how paranoid the players in the scum team are. That post would drive cass crazy. shed HAVE to kill it imo

I explain this a little more later in the game.

[dicetosser1]

 

Feeling particularity playful and sarcastic.

Work it all you want girl. It's all yours. Just looking out.

 

 

 

[dicetosser1]

Oh come on, that posts?

 

DM is eating my MQ replieeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssssss

 

thats probably a good thing......for us...

[WolfbrotherKronos]

 

Oh come on, that posts?

 

DM is eating my MQ replieeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssssss

thats probably a good thing......for us...

What are you implying here?

[dicetosser1]

that cass's mqs are huge

[WolfbrotherKronos]

that cass's mqs are huge

Ahhh yeah. MQs hurt my eyes and brain.

[dicetosser1]

exactly

[WolfbrotherKronos]

So dice assuming you are still here. Besides kizzy - where are your thoughts?