[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[BFG]

I don't really know what to suggest though

 

Slowly slowly getting through Day 1

[Darthe]

 

Liz/Mrs Clov Train dies away (posts 424-539)

 

Darthe (1): Cass (30)

 

Dice: Liz/Mrs Clov (63 U439)

 

Liz (5): Dice (65), Darthe (220), Seph (277 U484), Cuth (300 U436), Eldrick (424 U519)

 

Hallia (1): Kronos (70 U539)

 

Eldrick: DPR (91)

 

#436 Cuth unvotes

 

#439 Liz/Mrs Clov unvote Dice

 

#460 Seph questions Eldrick about Cuth read (followed up in 461)

 

#472 Eldrick backtracks on Cuth read - actually makes me feel better about interactions with Liz lol

 

#484 Seph unvotes (response to Cuth)

 

#486 Dice building on Liz/Mrs Clov read, looks good - can understand Dice's viewpoint, but can understand the hydra's frustration

 

#497 Mrs Clovs first reads list seems a reasonable account of the game with some opinion trown in

 

#503 Eldrick talks about a vote being an intent to lynch (regarding Sephs unvote) but hasn't talked about the hydra's extended vote on Dice after Cut brought it up? Probably means more for Eldrick than Liz/Mrs Clov

 

#519 Eldrick unvotes while leaving them open still

 

#527 Tiinker thinks conversation so far is meaningless

 

#534 Crusher also dislikes 309

 

#539 Kronos unvotes

 

 

 

Kronos

 

Dice

Cuth

Seph

 

DPR

 

Seph having a split focus here reads really well

So weird, I dont see my name on that list.

[Tiinker]

Does scum Darthe really chill all of today when down 2 scummates? Probably not in my opinion.

[Tiinker]

I'm not sure there's much use in me rearranging my whole list right now if Dice is going to share in a bit so I'll just wait til then I guess. I'm definitely wrong about some people so gonna be interesting for me.

[BFG]

 

 

Liz/Mrs Clov Train dies away (posts 424-539)

 

Darthe (1): Cass (30)

 

Dice: Liz/Mrs Clov (63 U439)

 

Liz (5): Dice (65), Darthe (220), Seph (277 U484), Cuth (300 U436), Eldrick (424 U519)

 

Hallia (1): Kronos (70 U539)

 

Eldrick: DPR (91)

 

#436 Cuth unvotes

 

#439 Liz/Mrs Clov unvote Dice

 

#460 Seph questions Eldrick about Cuth read (followed up in 461)

 

#472 Eldrick backtracks on Cuth read - actually makes me feel better about interactions with Liz lol

 

#484 Seph unvotes (response to Cuth)

 

#486 Dice building on Liz/Mrs Clov read, looks good - can understand Dice's viewpoint, but can understand the hydra's frustration

 

#497 Mrs Clovs first reads list seems a reasonable account of the game with some opinion trown in

 

#503 Eldrick talks about a vote being an intent to lynch (regarding Sephs unvote) but hasn't talked about the hydra's extended vote on Dice after Cut brought it up? Probably means more for Eldrick than Liz/Mrs Clov

 

#519 Eldrick unvotes while leaving them open still

 

#527 Tiinker thinks conversation so far is meaningless

 

#534 Crusher also dislikes 309

 

#539 Kronos unvotes

 

 

 

Kronos

 

Dice

Cuth

Seph

 

DPR

 

Seph having a split focus here reads really well

 

So weird, I dont see my name on that list.

 

Why should you?

[DPR]

 

 

dpr- if crusher is scum and you are town how would he interact with you? Is he more likely to give you a town read with or without much question, since im assuming how he is talking about you this game?

crush pretty much the same question for dpr.

 

 

I read DPR by his approach to the game after it gets rolling. When he is scum he relies on confusion and adds to that by trolling anyone who susses him.  He does not back down and hides as most people do as scum. He stands up and waves his dick at everyone. The main give away is his approach to the game. I saw a post he made in interacting with Darthe that made me pretty sure he is town this game. I can go get it when I get a minute. When he is scum he will do anything he can to make the game more confusing.

 

His approach to me is not changed too much,  

 

 

Well, IMO this is exactly what he's doing in this game. He's been adamant this entire day and yesterday about something that most people just flat out disagree with. I think his suggestion is a bit far-fetched and it seems like he's trying to drive town in a completely opposite direction since it seems like we're gathering quite a lot of momentum. Confusion is exactly what seems to be arising from most of his posts. I want to look at his interactions D1 but my professors and supervisors are literally setting impossible tasks from me right now. 

 

 

Just because you're confused doesn't mean my points are confusing. I've been very clear and supported my points with posts. I can't help it if my play style clashes with the foolishness that is popular these days - that's the kind of rubbish that clears Eldrick.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

I've gone over everything in the thread.  I don't know what else to look at.  Any suggestions??

Think you have Cass as scummy? Would you mind expanding?

 

 

 

I don't really know what to suggest though

 

Slowly slowly getting through Day 1

 

 

I wait forever and nobody talks.....I go on a brb and mostly everyone is here....go figure.....will be answering you about cass.

[DPR]

I'm also not overly fond of being asked questions, answering them, and then having people accuse me of pushing points. That's scum play.

[Tiinker]

 

 

 

dpr- if crusher is scum and you are town how would he interact with you? Is he more likely to give you a town read with or without much question, since im assuming how he is talking about you this game?

crush pretty much the same question for dpr.

 

 

I read DPR by his approach to the game after it gets rolling. When he is scum he relies on confusion and adds to that by trolling anyone who susses him.  He does not back down and hides as most people do as scum. He stands up and waves his dick at everyone. The main give away is his approach to the game. I saw a post he made in interacting with Darthe that made me pretty sure he is town this game. I can go get it when I get a minute. When he is scum he will do anything he can to make the game more confusing.

 

His approach to me is not changed too much,  

 

 

Well, IMO this is exactly what he's doing in this game. He's been adamant this entire day and yesterday about something that most people just flat out disagree with. I think his suggestion is a bit far-fetched and it seems like he's trying to drive town in a completely opposite direction since it seems like we're gathering quite a lot of momentum. Confusion is exactly what seems to be arising from most of his posts. I want to look at his interactions D1 but my professors and supervisors are literally setting impossible tasks from me right now. 

 

 

Just because you're confused doesn't mean my points are confusing. I've been very clear and supported my points with posts. I can't help it if my play style clashes with the foolishness that is popular these days - that's the kind of rubbish that clears Eldrick.

 

 

I didn't say your posts are confusing and I didn't say they were illogical. But it seems to me they're causing confusion in the game.

 

Not sure why you're bringing up Eldrick.

[Tiinker]

I'm also not overly fond of being asked questions, answering them, and then having people accuse me of pushing points. That's scum play.

 

Sure people asked you questions but I'm still surprised at the firmness and insistence of your responses. 

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

dpr- if crusher is scum and you are town how would he interact with you? Is he more likely to give you a town read with or without much question, since im assuming how he is talking about you this game?

crush pretty much the same question for dpr.

 

 

I read DPR by his approach to the game after it gets rolling. When he is scum he relies on confusion and adds to that by trolling anyone who susses him.  He does not back down and hides as most people do as scum. He stands up and waves his dick at everyone. The main give away is his approach to the game. I saw a post he made in interacting with Darthe that made me pretty sure he is town this game. I can go get it when I get a minute. When he is scum he will do anything he can to make the game more confusing.

 

His approach to me is not changed too much,  

 

 

Well, IMO this is exactly what he's doing in this game. He's been adamant this entire day and yesterday about something that most people just flat out disagree with. I think his suggestion is a bit far-fetched and it seems like he's trying to drive town in a completely opposite direction since it seems like we're gathering quite a lot of momentum. Confusion is exactly what seems to be arising from most of his posts. I want to look at his interactions D1 but my professors and supervisors are literally setting impossible tasks from me right now. 

 

 

Just because you're confused doesn't mean my points are confusing. I've been very clear and supported my points with posts. I can't help it if my play style clashes with the foolishness that is popular these days - that's the kind of rubbish that clears Eldrick.

 

 

I didn't say your posts are confusing and I didn't say they were illogical. But it seems to me they're causing confusion in the game.

 

Not sure why you're bringing up Eldrick.

 

 

Because so many people that didn't understand my logic cleared him as Town.

 

 

I'm also not overly fond of being asked questions, answering them, and then having people accuse me of pushing points. That's scum play.

 

Sure people asked you questions but I'm still surprised at the firmness and insistence of your responses. 

 

 

 

Can't help that. I try to be clear. I'm not sure that I insist on my points, but I guess that's for others to decide.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Liz/Mrs Clov Train dies away (posts 424-539)

 

Darthe (1): Cass (30)

 

Dice: Liz/Mrs Clov (63 U439)

 

Liz (5): Dice (65), Darthe (220), Seph (277 U484), Cuth (300 U436), Eldrick (424 U519)

 

Hallia (1): Kronos (70 U539)

 

Eldrick: DPR (91)

 

#436 Cuth unvotes

 

#439 Liz/Mrs Clov unvote Dice

 

#460 Seph questions Eldrick about Cuth read (followed up in 461)

 

#472 Eldrick backtracks on Cuth read - actually makes me feel better about interactions with Liz lol

 

#484 Seph unvotes (response to Cuth)

 

#486 Dice building on Liz/Mrs Clov read, looks good - can understand Dice's viewpoint, but can understand the hydra's frustration

 

#497 Mrs Clovs first reads list seems a reasonable account of the game with some opinion trown in

 

#503 Eldrick talks about a vote being an intent to lynch (regarding Sephs unvote) but hasn't talked about the hydra's extended vote on Dice after Cut brought it up? Probably means more for Eldrick than Liz/Mrs Clov

 

#519 Eldrick unvotes while leaving them open still

 

#527 Tiinker thinks conversation so far is meaningless

 

#534 Crusher also dislikes 309

 

#539 Kronos unvotes

 

 

 

Kronos

 

Dice

Cuth

Seph

 

DPR

 

Seph having a split focus here reads really well

So weird, I dont see my name on that list.

Why should you?

Maybe you should catch up first, after kronos id say im the second towniest player ITG. Ive contributed well, developed over time, and have been in positions that only really make sense if I am town.

[Darthe]

 

I'm also not overly fond of being asked questions, answering them, and then having people accuse me of pushing points. That's scum play.

Sure people asked you questions but I'm still surprised at the firmness and insistence of your responses.

Its good. He isn't pandering and he isn't playing a game to win or lose on a couple percent differences.

[Darthe]

[V] no lynch [/v] gl wolves.

[Kaylee]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Cuthroat Jesse (1): Miss Kizzy Clov

 

DreadPirateRoberts (1): Seph

 

No lynch (1): Darthe

 

Not Voting: DPR, Cass, Kronos, WiFi, Hallia, Cuth, Tiinker, Dice, BFG, Crusher

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Deadline for Day 3 is Tuesday, 2/21/17 at 9:00 AM MST

 

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

Liz/Mrs Clov Train dies away (posts 424-539)

 

Darthe (1): Cass (30)

 

Dice: Liz/Mrs Clov (63 U439)

 

Liz (5): Dice (65), Darthe (220), Seph (277 U484), Cuth (300 U436), Eldrick (424 U519)

 

Hallia (1): Kronos (70 U539)

 

Eldrick: DPR (91)

 

#436 Cuth unvotes

 

#439 Liz/Mrs Clov unvote Dice

 

#460 Seph questions Eldrick about Cuth read (followed up in 461)

 

#472 Eldrick backtracks on Cuth read - actually makes me feel better about interactions with Liz lol

 

#484 Seph unvotes (response to Cuth)

 

#486 Dice building on Liz/Mrs Clov read, looks good - can understand Dice's viewpoint, but can understand the hydra's frustration

 

#497 Mrs Clovs first reads list seems a reasonable account of the game with some opinion trown in

 

#503 Eldrick talks about a vote being an intent to lynch (regarding Sephs unvote) but hasn't talked about the hydra's extended vote on Dice after Cut brought it up? Probably means more for Eldrick than Liz/Mrs Clov

 

#519 Eldrick unvotes while leaving them open still

 

#527 Tiinker thinks conversation so far is meaningless

 

#534 Crusher also dislikes 309

 

#539 Kronos unvotes

 

 

 

Kronos

 

Dice

Cuth

Seph

 

DPR

 

Seph having a split focus here reads really well

 

So weird, I dont see my name on that list.

 

Why should you?

 

Maybe you should catch up first, after kronos id say im the second towniest player ITG. Ive contributed well, developed over time, and have been in positions that only really make sense if I am town.

 

I'm catching up lol, list will be updated as I go. I see no point in pretending to ignore Kronos claim and although I'm not purposefully ignoring other stuff, I am trying to put it on a back burner while I start placing things in context

 

Can you explain when/why you started scum reading Eldrick?

[Tiinker]

 

 

I'm also not overly fond of being asked questions, answering them, and then having people accuse me of pushing points. That's scum play.

Sure people asked you questions but I'm still surprised at the firmness and insistence of your responses.

Its good. He isn't pandering and he isn't playing a game to win or lose on a couple percent differences.

 

 

And here we have town Darthe making border-logical steps expecting everyone to follow in his thought process. I see what you're saying but that is a terrible way of phrasing it. I like this side of you.

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

Liz, you made a massive post pointing out who kept momentum going on your train (unless I'm misre,embering horribly) who do you think is most likely scum out of that group?

Right now I'm thinking Darthe > Crusher > Tinker > DPR in more or less that order.

 

Have you played with the last 3 before? I'm trying to figure out how much to make of the inconsistencies I'm seeing in their posts vs. actions.

 

 

I don't think I've ever played with DPR, although I subbed into a game after he'd been lynched (I was mafia though so didn't pay much attention to what he'd posted)

 

Pretty sure I've played with Tiinker, and modded games he's played; couldn't begin to tell you how he plays though, he's mostly played while I've been on an intermittent break and I don't remember much from mafia in the last 6 months

 

Crusher again, I've modded a game he was in, I don't remember if we've played a game or not though

 

So basically no help

 

 

Pulling this out of BFG ISO

 

 

@Liz - can you elaborate on the bold? What inconsistencies were you seeing?

 

I think I already elaborated on my perspective in some mega-posts yesterday.

 

The issue I had with Darthe has been discussed ad nauseum (him tunnelling on me/MrsClov all D1 to the near exclusion of anyone else and him choosing to move from us to NB at the end of the day when he claimed he still thought we were scum) and I feel like it's resolved enough at this point in that Darthe has said that he was basically trying to instigate us for reads.

 

I've also laid out what I had problems with Crusher's early commentary/labeling approach to scumhunting versus the more exploratory engagement style that I prefer. I felt like Crusher was complaining a lot about MrsClov and I having a narrow focus whereas from my perspective he was demonstrating a very narrow focus. But I feel prepared to accept the possibility that the issue is largely a playstyle/perspective issue and I can see more potential for him to be town since reading his interactions with people who were not me/MrsClov (which there was a lot more of on D2 than there was on D1).

 

With DPR...to be honest I'm largely ignoring his posts at the moment because he's either town who is stuck and has an overly vitriolic approach to pursuing a tunnel or he's very crafty scum who is weaving a web that one can only wifom about without more information. Either way, I don't think that me having conversations with him will be very productive for now. Right now MrsClov have him in our "likely town" pile, because it would be really unusual for someone to put that much effort and energy into that elaborate of a theory if they didn't believe it. But I also don't know DPR outside of this game and I know a few players who would be invested enough to try that kind of a move. But we've decided not to focus too much on tinfoil reads right now.

[Tiinker]

Lol is it really vitriol? Is it? 

 

I think you're being a bit obtuse in realizing why there was focus on you because I think it should've changed your opinion of other people's actions by now. Is it "complaining" or is it questioning? Is it "tunneling" or being "narrow" or was it actually somewhat deserved. I dunno, I feel like I've seen this same post from you multiple times and I just think you're looking at the game in way that isn't constructive for scum hunting.

 

 

 

With DPR...to be honest I'm largely ignoring his posts at the moment because he's either town who is stuck and has an overly vitriolic approach to pursuing a tunnel or he's very crafty scum who is weaving a web that one can only wifom about without more information. Either way, I don't think that me having conversations with him will be very productive for now. Right now MrsClov have him in our "likely town" pile, because it would be really unusual for someone to put that much effort and energy into that elaborate of a theory if they didn't believe it. But I also don't know DPR outside of this game and I know a few players who would be invested enough to try that kind of a move. But we've decided not to focus too much on tinfoil reads right now.

 

 

I think the bold is also a dangerous train of thought.

[Wildfire Sedai]

Now that I've ISO'D her, which I didn't before I suss'd her I think she is more townieish now.    which drops you and hallia down a little bit....hallia farther down than you because she hasn't been participating as much.

[Lizabeth]

 

 

Cuth can you explain where Eldricks 'delayed' results came from? I remember him claiming he'd been offered a choice, but don't recall any time delay thing?

he said something along the lines of "i had to make a choice and i'm worried it might result in me dying target me please doctor"

 

 

@ BFG - Why ask Cuth about this?

 

 

 

 

Here we go - get a load of this:

 

Ok. Had to wait for mod conformation about if I could even talk about it.

 

Last night, presumably at the beginning of night phase, I was to make a choice. I can't go into specifics because of mod communication and whatnot, but suffice to say I'm worried about the result of the choice.

 

Due to the obscure nature of the question, it feels like depending on what I picked, one of us will die. If there's a doc, and they have nothing better to do, I would like protection. I don't trust the outcome of this role, whatever it's doing.

 

If it's result is a kill, I would like to thwart it. It does not feel like a town ability.

 

that's never scum

 

it's also not role-fishing

 

unless the scum team has a watcher or something

 

rolefishing is enticing people to publicly out their roles, which is not the case

 

Cuth, in light of Eldrick flipping scum, what do you think of this now?

 

 

 

I see where liz/clov wanted to ask Cuth about his opinion, but they never followed up with any questions - as has happened all game.

 

Lots and lots of questions, but not a lot of push of the answers...

 

Is anybody else ready to call Eldricks move a botched attempt at role-fishing? The fact that Eldrick launched it, botched it and then tried to wave it away makes me think it was coached as well, which narrows the suspect pool. 

You know how you don't appreciate what BFG is doing (or what MrsClov and I are doing)? If you're town you might just have to accept that we go about things different ways.

 

I'll also point out that I pulled up that post from Eldrick and asked people to keep it in mind and no one has commented on it yet (that I have said). I will follow up with why I'm concerned about it when I finish catching up.

 

If you're town, maybe you'll be able to take into consideration after this game that just because people don't do things your way, it doesn't mean they're not doing anything or that the way they're doing things isn't effective.

 

But I've noticed you've adjusted your tone today which I appreciate and it makes it more likely that I'll bother responding to your posts. I'm not interested in getting tied up in any more distracting mudfights this game.

[BFG]

Now that I've ISO'D her, which I didn't before I suss'd her I think she is more townieish now.    which drops you and hallia down a little bit....hallia farther down than you because she hasn't been participating as much.

Why is she townyish?

 

Would guess Hallia town for early Eldrick interaction, but not a strong read and not sure if she's been coasting off that since

[Lizabeth]

 

Mafia NB votes teammate Eldrixk over (hypothetical) town Liz/Mrs Clov because:

 

 

 

Okay - I'm going to give my view to each point because we are seeing it very differently: I'm in blue

 

Specifically:

 

Distancing from Eldrick - No mafia goon is going to take a bullet for the sake of distancing, especially on D1.

Lack of self pres mode can seem townie and get people to unvote - No mafia goon is going to value the appearance of self preservation by putting themselves in line to die.

If Liz/Mrs Clov are lynched and flip town NB looks superficially good - He would have looked worse for having tried to drag the vote off of them.

If NB is lynched Liz/Mrs Clov still look bad - There was nothing he could do about that. They did that to themselves. Plus, he wasn't a large enough presence (he barely posted) to make anyone look one way or the other.

 

I don't think the unvote by itself is dawning, and I'm reading through now to see the original cases/points etc

 

His unvote and revote is particularly damning because he was on a train that was liz/clov 6, and NB 4. His move made it 5 and 5. There was a reason to do this - no mafia team ever gives up a player on D1. Puts them at too much of a disadvantage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apologies quote is broken and there's too much formatting in DPRs post for me to easily fix, my response is below

 

 

Obviously we do see this differently. The big problem I have with your explanations is that NB is an experienced player who knows that his unvote is going to get scrutinised. If he'd stayed on Liz/Mrs Clov one of them gets lynched and the other potentially gets written off as a town counter wagon, etc. The unvote always keeps attention on the hydra. This is a play that I struggle to see Liz making (meta I know, but Liz values players over roles - they had almost every player suspicious of them Day 1, there is no way that she agrees to a planned 'save' attempt in that situation - which obviously says nothing about NB trying it on his own if teamed)

 

Basically my point is that NBs action to me doesn't make a huge amount of sense regardless of Liz/Mrs Clov alignment and therefore I'm treating that by itself as null

 

Not only do I value players over roles, I also think it's not good play to pull an unnecessary hard busing move to gain town credit, especially in a closed setup where mafia doesn't know what investigative powers or other abilities town might have, especially when no town power roles have flipped. (This is something I've ranted about in graveyards more than once). And the fact that Eldrick busing notbob was exposed by an investigation in this game just underscores why I've always argued that it's not a good strategic move.

[Lizabeth]

 

Liz/Mrs Clov Train 1 (posts 1-424)

 

Sooh: Eldrick (20 U25)

 

Darthe (1): Cass (30)

 

Dice (1): Liz/Mrs Clov (63)

 

Liz (5): Dice (65), Eldrick (93 U121), Darthe (220), Seph (277), Cuth (300), Eldrick (424)

 

Hallia (1): Kronos (70)

 

Eldrick (2): DPR (91), Seph (178 U277)

 

 

 

#24 Eldrick asks Mrs Clov to be easy to read

 

#37 Eldrick gives Cass a light town read for digging in and making reads already - so far Cass has been mimicking Zander, I'm not seeing any reads, Cass responds in #43 with mild suspicion and #45 Eldrick says she needs to keep it up.

Torn here, on the one hand very early town reads from scum tend to be accurate, on the other Eldrick already broke a few generic tells :sigh: and Cass's response seems relatively mild from how I remember her town play.

 

#65 Dice votes Lizzie and Clyde; +early vote, +relaxed (bonnie and Clyde joke), -incorrect reasoning, and reasoning shifts when the mistake is pointed out, -self conscious (conscious of how other people are going to view the vote). This would probably be abnormally early aggression from scum!Dice, need to track where this goes

 

#71 Eldrick doesn't like 'if I get in trouble I'm blaming it all on you' from Liz, says it's suspicious, but doesn't push it

 

#85 Cass corrects Dice

 

#91 DPR votes Eldrick - superficially looks good without knowing more of DPRs playstyle, the fact that he seems to instantly infer bussing suggests he may be more used to it/inclined to bus than I'm used to, so can't place as much value in it as I'd like - but it still gets brownie points overall

 

#93 Eldrick votes Liz based on the explanation 'blame it on ENFP all you want...'

 

#94 MrsClov defends Eldrick 'being wound up is just Eldrick...' followed by Liz in 97

 

#100 Liz explains vote to Eldrick, #109 Eldrick doesn't change opinion, extended exchange reads well from Liz wanting to be understood, 114 from Liz implies that Eldrick is misinterpreting what she said, it would read oddly as m/m communication, but not out of Liz's range (from what I've heard )

 

At this point Liz/MrsClov are actually asking a fairly broad reach of questions for the stage of the game

 

#112 Cass agrees with DPR about Eldrick

 

#113 second mention by Eldrick about not wanting to lynch DPR Day 1

 

#117 Eldrick has reasons to towered Liz? 119 Early backtrack and unvote in 121

 

#122 Liz questions Cass on Eldrick, would guess that Cass/Liz not m/m (also DPR/Liz but that shouldn't need stating at this point)

 

#135 Dice accepts the correction, still doesn't like the vote for the 'hypocrisy'

And then calls out the OMGUS. Mrs Clov responds 'out of context'. I dislike this entire argument as pointless. Already pointed to a different game where a hydra's done that as town (admittedly with different types of players). The OMGUS is borderline semantics. Dice is actually incorporating more stuff in his read though, I know by Day 2 it seemed to me to have stalled, but at this point Dice is actually looking pretty good for it.

 

#143 DPR follows up the Eldrick read (read's pretty nuanced) +

 

#144 Eldrick backtracks the backtrack in response to Dice, don't see this as m/m. Not sure if Eldrick wants to be on the right side of a lynch here, or is looking for a ML, there's a lot of interaction between them when, usually mafia avoid each other, but not sure how much stock I can put in that given Eldrick has already broken some of the generalities, and Liz in general

 

#178 Seph votes Eldrick

 

#203 Crusher asks Eldrick if he has to worry about him

 

#205 reads really well from Liz, looking for follow up from Cass (as of 427 no follow up)

 

#209 Cuth reads Dice town

 

#219 Eldrick defends early town Liz read

 

#220 Darthe votes Liz, generic wolfy comment

 

#229 Eldrick questions Cuth's early town read on Dice would be strange if Dice/Eldrick were m/m and really strange if this was m/m/m

 

#238 Darthe unsure if Eldrick grew or just good rationale - later stated he was suspicious of Eldrick due to Eldricks lack of early suspicion - but phrasing here is positive(?)

 

#242 Darthe has Cass/Crush/Hallia as town - guessing these won't be explained 246 Kronos town

 

#245 Seph questions Eldricks town read of Liz

 

#249 Darthe had Eldrick as slight town, but sterile posts

 

#255 Cass reads Eldrick as being given the wileys, bitconverned he's a ML - yet earlier was ok with suspicion on Eldrick Mrs Clov and not worried about traction building on Liz/Mrs Clov?

 

#258 Cuth doesn't like Lizs response [to Darthe], wtl

 

#274 is pretty valid from Cuth, Liz's response to Dice/Darthe is internally inconsistent

 

#277 Seph votes and explains reason on Liz - still no explanation for Eldrick vote - Seph/LizClov/Eldrick unlikely to be m/m/m

 

#279 Darthe agreeing with DPR reading Eldrick as scum, but has him as slight town?

 

#297 Cuth votes Liz

 

#309 infamous statement lol, mostly null from Liz, would read better if it was a simple 'who else is scum', the focus reads as an attempt to clear them as is, but I understand where this is coming from if they're town. This is early in Day 1, there's been little looking elsewhere so if they flip town there's little information to be gained. If mafia they also need the game to move elsewhere so???

 

#312 Darthe likes Eldricks response - possible interesting phrasing given that DPRs read is wound up and Darthe is saying relaxed, but probably nothing important

 

#317 Seph isn't sure he has a read below null - but already voted Eldrick???

 

#338 Reads badly for Liz - why not state your read on Dice?

 

#345 Reads badly since Liz doesn't seem to be inferring anything from Eldricks not taking DPRs alignment into consideration

 

#370 Seph notes Eldrick staying out of conversation

 

#381 Eldrick reads Cuth as slight scum - timing is interesting as Cuth has really started to dig at Liz at this point

 

#384 Cuth digs into the 'who are my partners' thing (response in 397 is exactly what I expect from Liz)

 

#395 Seph asks why the hydra's vote is still on Dice

 

#410 Cuth follows up on Liz leaving vote on Dice when they think he's town

 

#418 reads as genuine frustration for being misunderstood to me (Liz)

 

#422 Eldrick jumps on the teammate thing (votes 424)

 

 

 

 

No YOLO reads so...

 

Kronos

 

Dice

Cuth

 

Kronos, obvious is obvious

 

Dice reads better with context and probably isn't m/m with Eldrick

 

Cuth seems to be genuinely digging into his reads

 

Would YOLO DPR on the list, the read/vote on Eldrick was early, nuanced and reads well, but not quite there yet.

 

Seph is saying a lot of good things but,

@Seph can you explain why you voted Eldrick initially?

Probably isn't m/m with Liz/MrsClov

 

Darthe is mostly null, his current stance on Eldrick isn't great and doesn't seem to line up with what he said later about being suspicious of Eldrick due to his lack of paranoia on Darthe

 

Not sure how much of my read on Liz/MrsClov is being influenced by the 'must be scum' and 'must be town' players

 

In general Liz is playing closer to her town game than scum, as scum she had a much narrower focus, whereas here she has branched out early, but I don't think the scum game I have for her is necessarily indicative of her scum game since I believe her when she said she had problems with the volume, the fact that she's keeping up better is a superficial good look.

 

Dislike some of her posts but nothing that reads damming to me.

 

Don't think either the 'hypocrisy' in the early vote or 309 are AI for her.

 

No read on Mrs Clov independently at this point, which seems off.

 

They have a tonne of odd interactions with Eldrick early, which I don't know how to read but mostly from Eldrick's side who looks as if he doesn't know which side of the argument he wants to come down on. That said he's already voted them in thread, so is clearly ok with bussing if partners, but timing is different, between sussing when no one else is and sussing when he could get them lynched.

 

Eldrick is their first town read out of the players sussing them and comes when he reconsiders early on, the timing of this reads slightly townie to me but Ugh

 

I guess if I had to read them at this point it would be a cautious null-very slight town read on Liz, null on MrsClov and null-??? from Eldrick interactions so glglme?

 

What hypocrisy in my early vote? I was very clear that it was never a serious vote. Dice just doesn't get my jokes and it spiraled out of control.

[dicetosser1]

I'm not sure there's much use in me rearranging my whole list right now if Dice is going to share in a bit so I'll just wait til then I guess. I'm definitely wrong about some people so gonna be interesting for me.

 

Id really like to see an updated list from you please tiink. 

 

[V] no lynch [/v] gl wolves.

 

we are not doing that today darthe.