[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[Hallia]

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[Darthe]

Kronos

Wifi

Liz

Crush

Seph

Bfg

 

Those are all pretty obv town to me at this point.

 

Dpr

Cuth

Tink

 

Fairly town, tinks a maybe on that list.

 

I want to resolve between

 

Cass

Hally

Dice

 

And I think that this order is a good one. Also, good post wifi.

 

[V] dice [/v]

[dicetosser1]

hello everyone,  

 

I think I need to go back to dice's original read: scum.  

 

I know what I just posted like 5/10 min. ago but I never looked it up for myself.  I TRUSTED dice to tell me the TRUTH.  The only post about him making reads before the notbob read is:  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@liz  can you clarify what the last game with cory you are talking about is? The last one i remember is the one where you guys were a hydra or something iirc

We weren't a hydra. We were bickering neighbours.

 

It was the last game that Chris hosted here. I can't remember the name, but Sooh was in it too.

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. So back to thinking Lizclov is town, after realizing how much attention they are getting. It is screaming LHF.

 

I'm suspicious of Darthe for trying to push the lynch so hard.

Oh youre sus of me? I never saw that coming, lol

 

Why shouldn't he be suspicious of you?

 

I forgot to include Eldrick in my question about what to expect of you as scum, seeing as he was in the last game with you.

 

And @Dice as well.

 

 

im not that good a Darthe reader til late game. And then it has a lot to do with the actions taken and how my gut reacts to them. My expectations of darthe are simple. Expect anything cause u will probably get it. I do try to tone read him but thats not foolproof with him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I broke the page

 

Yes, you did.  Do you really think Eldrick doesn't look scummy?  Please explain.

 

I really think that Eldrick just looks like regular Eldrick. You on the other hand. I don't get you this game. 

 

[v]Notbob[/v]

 

I can't get over the commentary style of playing this game, generally it seems to be done in order to make other slots look bad. 

 

 

I don't town read anyone on Day 1...but whatevs...

 

I could almost vote vote notbob for this post lol. I need to catch up and see how eldrick is posting about notbob before his vote.

 

 

meh thats fairly typical notbob really

 

 

 

 

And I am talking about being good at reading someone.  I just ISO'd him and he knew I was talking about BEFORE the notbob comment because he said he said the exact opposite about notbob....and the only one I see is about darthe and that being only that he gets him better later in the game.  

 

So, DICE If you can find your exact opposite post about notbob and post it, that would be greatly appreciated.  but for now....SCUM.

 

wrong quote i wifi.

 

i said it in response to someone asking me about him. I think it was BFG

[dicetosser1]

and trust me you DO NOT want to lynch me today but i want to see some play today

[Wildfire Sedai]

SPAM POST: 

 

And I think that this order is a good one. Also, good post wifi.

[V] dice [/v]

 

SCHMOOOOZING IN IT.....LOL     *DANCES*

 

[VIDEO]

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now if I am only, RIGHT...I Did do his full ISO. those were the only two posts about how he felt at gauging someone as a read.  However, feel free to do your own Iso and of course DICE feel free to quote a response.

[Wildfire Sedai]

DICE: PLEASE find the quote. 

[dicetosser1]

 

 

Ok thanks,

 

Eldrick pointed out that he did this as a hydra with Sooh (in a game you were in?) so why is it scummy?

 

 

 

WiFi pointed out a time when as scum she voted/invited off her counterwagon, when the cw was town one day and fellow scum the next, why is that anything other than WIFOM? Liz's counter is that NB restarted the train on her AFTER it was dying down, why restart it to then decide afterwards to try and save them?

 

I can't read anything into the unvote, I can think of reasons NB did it if they were town, I can see the argument for doing it as teammates, but his approach during the day makes little sense if teammates

 

 

 

I will admit the errors bug me a little, but so do their clarifications, I don't think either would intentionally misrep as scum, but I can't put much value in that.

 

 

 

 

 

How is Eldricka vote a bus vote if he's third party? Can you go into more detail than 'scummy as all...'

 

 

Why did you been needing to choose between Eldrick/Mrs Clov all day, if you think Mrs Clov/Liz are scum and Eldrick is 3P?

 

 

As far as I know, NB didn't look/sus anyone other than (Eldrick/)Mrs Clov/Liz, do you think that likely from teammates?

 

 

the vote came d1 before any 3p talk started and that was my immeadiate reaction to it

 

as for choosing? cause im well aware that im in a tunnel. i still think im right but that doesnt mean i dont want to actually look and think     then of course i got the cranks and voted anyway and i just refuse to unvote at this point.

 

TBH i wasnt paying much attention to NB D1  my unvote question came about reading discussion later

 

 

red  did what?

 

 

this is the only one i found. thought id definetly said to someone im not a great nb reader but whatever

[dicetosser1]

i probably wont be on much today except at lunchtime   sitting in a different spot where my screen can be seen

[Cuth]

 

 

 

i'm thinking about the bfg-eldrick-dice thing

 

how likely it is that that could have been coordinated

 

and i'm really not sure

What do you mean coordinated?

 

basically the odds of bfg being a wolf, starting push on dice, eldrick picking it up

 

When was eldrick trying to push on Darthe?

 

I went back and caught up on everything leading up to and just after Kronos' claim last night, but I don't remember Eldrick going after Dice. I saw him pushing a Darthe kill really hard and the two of you debating over whether to lynch Darthe or lynch Tink first.

 

I'm not saying that's not true, I'm just saying i didnt' see it or don't remember it. When did it happen?

 

eldrick, shortly before the claim, suddenly went dice townish>meh having doubts>very scummy iirc

[Cuth]

Kronos

Wifi

Liz

Crush

Seph

Bfg

 

Those are all pretty obv town to me at this point.

 

Dpr

Cuth

Tink

 

Fairly town, tinks a maybe on that list.

 

I want to resolve between

 

Cass

Hally

Dice

 

And I think that this order is a good one. Also, good post wifi.

 

[V] dice [/v]

why is bfg pretty obvious town

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

 

 

 

 

Actually iirc dice was a joke vote too.

 

Dice? Current read on Lizclov and why.

My vote was never a joke. And its staying put.

Recap on why, please?

 

 

Dont like the "haVE TO CONFER ON dARTHE BUT CAN VOTE dICE WITHOUT IT) sorry caps lock sux. 

 

havent been a fan of a lot of both their posts. tone has been hard   and i CAN see why some would call it aggressive   and defensive even when i was the only vote. the beating a rug comment still irks me as i take it as a poke at me that was totally wrong. I dont really care about the partners question but i havent liked the repetitive open ure mind look at others posts.

 

 

they havent really been in danger of being lynched  the votes seem to hit 3 or 4 and stall.

 

so I think they may be scum. I could be wrong I could be right but thats where im going.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i get that you're trying to create interaction

 

and i'm fine with that and that's great, really it is

 

but i'm not fine with your reactions to any pressure on you

 

if you know you're not scum then you should never start asking "who would my partners be?"

 

that makes no sense as a question that town asks

Read what I wrote above.

 

And I hate when people make statmements like "that makes no sense as a question that town asks"

 

Just because you don't understand the reason for the question doesn't mean it doesn't serve a purpose.

 

no legitimately

 

if you are town

 

you know you're town, yes?

 

therefore that question does not make sense to ask

 

because you'd know the assumption behind it is fundamentally flawed

 

you know you would flip town if you got lynched, so why are you saying people should 'look at potential partners' so that the game is more winnable from d2 on?

 

you know you'd going to flip town

 

you know you wouldn't have any partners and so anything said about partners and you would be totally invalid after you flip town

 

you've pretty much convinced me that that was a legitimate slip

 

 

Mind meld with the first bold Cuth, but the second gives me pause - how is that a slip?

 

'Who are my partners then?' is a question I've used in frustration as Town and as distraction as Scum, I can see it going either way here from Liz. Also ftr afaik neither Liz nor Mrs Clov are inexperienced mafia players - that part of your #847 is sticking with me so please explain?

 

 

what bothers me is that he says hes convinced it was a slip  yet he has now unvoted them and said he wont vote them today iirc

 

 

I actually read the unvote as genuine and likely +ev for Town regardless of any flip, haven't got to the 'won't vote them today' if it exists. 

 

Not fully caught up but got to the bottom of p. 25 on phone while watching TV. Everyone's in bed now, plan is to try and keep up with current stuff before I go back and pull out anything that stands out in re-read.

 

 

@cass  i answered you about tonto....thoughts? or did i miss them somewhere?

 

 

Haven't posted them but read your answers on phone while watching TV. Didn't give me a lean on you either way but did make me lol

 

Essentially had/have concerns your Town read/lean on me was possibly too early. Still not sure I've had enough content for you to feel good about me, some thoughts of possi-buddying on your part. Am aware that this is all self-centered. There's a recent post in my MQ that strikes me as TOWNDICETONE, nothing else has stuck with me wrt you for now.

 

FTR Not fully caught up but got to the bottom of p. 25 on phone while watching TV. Everyone's in bed now, plan is to try and keep up with current stuff before I go back and pull out anything that stands out in re-read.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dont like the "haVE TO CONFER ON dARTHE BUT CAN VOTE dICE WITHOUT IT) sorry caps lock sux. 

 

havent been a fan of a lot of both their posts. tone has been hard   and i CAN see why some would call it aggressive   and defensive even when i was the only vote. the beating a rug comment still irks me as i take it as a poke at me that was totally wrong. I dont really care about the partners question but i havent liked the repetitive open ure mind look at others posts.

 

 

they havent really been in danger of being lynched  the votes seem to hit 3 or 4 and stall.

 

so I think they may be scum. I could be wrong I could be right but thats where im going.

 

@Dice 

I'm really sorry you took that as a poke at you. It really wasn't intended to be that way and it was very bad wording on my part. 

 

I'll give you that we were reacting to only 3 or 4 votes. But in the moment I had no clue how many votes were on us, and it felt like a lot more. Especially because several people were kind of going at us at once whether they were voting us or not.

 

 

@seph and clovette  :D   i dont mind u being defensive at 3 or 4 votes 24 hrs in. My problem is how early you got defensive. im not going back and hunting it down but my memory says it started when i  and only i had voted you. defensive at 3 or 4? fine  at 1 or 2? makes me think ure a scum power role when i look at everything else

 

 

This is the Dice post - make it posts - that seem Town Dice tone to me. The only thing standing out is the hedgey bold but the assertive jump about power role and belligerence is real-sounding and fits what I know of recent play with Dice.

 

 

 

 

yes

The reason I was saying the contradiction idea was meh, was because cass was actually encouraging her to vote without he partners consent, it wasn't like she went and did it willy nilly. ha willy nilly 

 

 Lol'd

 

 

WOW! look at that! I encouraged you and you didnt do it!

 

 

 

 

and no poisonous snakes....too much traffic...

 

First line here seems more brazen-stubborn than I associate with Dice as scum. All of it screams PITA Blue :D Meta's outdated so someone correct me if they've seen him sarcastic scum.

Not fully caught up but got to the bottom of p. 25 on phone while watching TV. Everyone's in bed now, plan is to try and keep up with current stuff before I go back and pull out anything that stands out in re-read.

 

 

the enlarged    that was the point :D

 

red  believe me it is a soft lean. I am fully aware of how often im wrong on you. 

 

green  hedgy? how? what im saying is that getting that defensive early PLUS their other content makes me think their a scum power role desperately trying not to get lynched.

 

blue  LMAO

 

 

I found this one when you were talking to cass but nothing on nb.....I soooooo   wanna give you the benefit of the doubt.....just cause well ......you're a fellow CAV from the botrh....      but..........................do we even know when dl is????

[dicetosser1]

we have at least 24 hrs  so dont rush this town.

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:
 
Cuthroat Jesse (1): Miss Kizzy Clov 

Dice (The Lone Stranger) (1): Darthe
 
Not Voting: DPR, Cass, Kronos, WiFi, Hallia, Cuth, Seph, Tiinker, Dice, BFG, Crusher
 
 
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
 
 
Deadline for Day 3 is Tuesday, 2/21/17 at 9:00 AM MST

[Wildfire Sedai]

I'm not rushing....just making sure that you have time to post and get things in order....time to sway my opinion away.  You have to make it good though.  I already flip flopped on you a couple of times, I think. .I don't know if I can change my mind.  Makes me look to flip floppy.  If you can make a stronger case for someone else with good evidence by monday night, maybe though.

 

Thank you, Tress.  

[DPR]

and trust me you DO NOT want to lynch me today but i want to see some play today

 

Ubiquitous don't-lynch-me-post. Does imply that dice will be around to play.

 

 

 

 

Ok thanks,

 

Eldrick pointed out that he did this as a hydra with Sooh (in a game you were in?) so why is it scummy?

 

 

 

WiFi pointed out a time when as scum she voted/invited off her counterwagon, when the cw was town one day and fellow scum the next, why is that anything other than WIFOM? Liz's counter is that NB restarted the train on her AFTER it was dying down, why restart it to then decide afterwards to try and save them?

 

I can't read anything into the unvote, I can think of reasons NB did it if they were town, I can see the argument for doing it as teammates, but his approach during the day makes little sense if teammates

 

 

 

I will admit the errors bug me a little, but so do their clarifications, I don't think either would intentionally misrep as scum, but I can't put much value in that.

 

 

 

 

 

How is Eldricka vote a bus vote if he's third party? Can you go into more detail than 'scummy as all...'

 

 

Why did you been needing to choose between Eldrick/Mrs Clov all day, if you think Mrs Clov/Liz are scum and Eldrick is 3P?

 

 

As far as I know, NB didn't look/sus anyone other than (Eldrick/)Mrs Clov/Liz, do you think that likely from teammates?

 

 

the vote came d1 before any 3p talk started and that was my immeadiate reaction to it

 

as for choosing? cause im well aware that im in a tunnel. i still think im right but that doesnt mean i dont want to actually look and think     then of course i got the cranks and voted anyway and i just refuse to unvote at this point.

 

TBH i wasnt paying much attention to NB D1  my unvote question came about reading discussion later

 

 

red  did what?

 

 

this is the only one i found. thought id definetly said to someone im not a great nb reader but whatever

 

 

I bolded another line in red. It could be what dice remembers as it does express confusion. Or, it could be distancing. 

 

His not highlighting it is a concern.

 

i probably wont be on much today except at lunchtime   sitting in a different spot where my screen can be seen

 

 

The ubiquitous I-won't-be-around-much-post. Contradicts the above "I want to get some play today" post.

 

From an evidentiary pov, it doesn't look good. 

[Darthe]

 

Kronos

Wifi

Liz

Crush

Seph

Bfg

 

Those are all pretty obv town to me at this point.

 

Dpr

Cuth

Tink

 

Fairly town, tinks a maybe on that list.

 

I want to resolve between

 

Cass

Hally

Dice

 

And I think that this order is a good one. Also, good post wifi.

 

[V] dice [/v]

why is bfg pretty obvious town

Masons ldo

[Darthe]

Hey dice, "trust me you dont wanna lynch me btw I wont be around" may all be true but it looks really really bad. Maybe just claim if you're in this spot, especially if youre the even night counterpart to kronos.

[DPR]

Hey dice, "trust me you dont wanna lynch me btw I wont be around" may all be true but it looks really really bad. Maybe just claim if you're in this spot, especially if youre the even night counterpart to kronos.

 

 

Can't argue with this. Riding out the clock is only going to make it look worse.

[DPR]

 

 

Kronos

Wifi

Liz

Crush

Seph

Bfg

 

Those are all pretty obv town to me at this point.

 

Dpr

Cuth

Tink

 

Fairly town, tinks a maybe on that list.

 

I want to resolve between

 

Cass

Hally

Dice

 

And I think that this order is a good one. Also, good post wifi.

 

[V] dice [/v]

why is bfg pretty obvious town

Masons ldo

 

 

 

Masons would be awfully high-powered in a game that has already flipped 2 goons. I'm thinking fewer pr's, not more.

[Tiinker]

Was the masons thing a joke?

[dicetosser1]

@DPR  oh im willing to play but i am currently at work where im not supposed to access sites like DM and JN. Normally its not a problem cause everyone is in front of me so noone can see my screen but im trying out some new glasses today so will be sitting where higher ups can see my screen so i wont be able to check this during the morning.

 

Will at lunch

[dicetosser1]

 

Hey dice, "trust me you dont wanna lynch me btw I wont be around" may all be true but it looks really really bad. Maybe just claim if you're in this spot, especially if youre the even night counterpart to kronos.

 

 

Can't argue with this. Riding out the clock is only going to make it look worse.

 

 

Do I seem even slightly worried? I WANT us to take time and play. Just dont put me in sudden hammer range

[DPR]

Was the masons thing a joke?

 

Would be very poor timing for a joke - especially with the vote.

 

@DPR  oh im willing to play but i am currently at work where im not supposed to access sites like DM and JN. Normally its not a problem cause everyone is in front of me so noone can see my screen but im trying out some new glasses today so will be sitting where higher ups can see my screen so i wont be able to check this during the morning.

 

Will at lunch

 

 

Fair enough.

[Wildfire Sedai]

so darthe are you saying that you and bfg are masons????

[Darthe]

Wjat? Where would you get a silly idea like that??