Trick-or-Treat II Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!!!!

[Leelou]

I can use it at any time and it is instant. 

[Leelou]

I'm giving it til noon today and then making my decision. 

[michellem]

 

Yeah, I'd still much rather lynch one of the people we are voting on, I'm changing to Not Bob because he is acting pretty anti-town so far. I was thinking more of one of the lurkers. Ishy and Hallia are pretty near the top of my list. Even though Yates and Verbal are being lurky, they have added something to analyze. Verbal gave reasoning for his voting Cloud and Yates has his vote jumping. Ishy hasn't commented on anything really except for Yates changing his vote multiple times, and there is plenty to comment on. Ishy normally has some opinion on what is going on game wise by now and he seems to be keeping his post count at a decent level by spamming instead of adding content. Hallia parked her vote on Lenlo and hasn't commented on anything and there is a lot going on in the game to comment on.

 

unvote, vote Not Bob

 

 

Hmmmm OR, and this is a thought worth chewing over, can you use the knife on a future day or night? Cause you could wait until there's a really good option, and the threat of that dangling knife could make teh scum start to sweat, making it easier for us to nab them.

 

 

Des, come one, you know better than that. She'd be a prime NK target as long as she kept that knife. Better she uses it as quick as possible. I trust Leelou to choose a good target.

 

 

 

Aemon or NotBob, whom will I move my vote too... Good points on both of them. But I'm gonna play "follow Des" right now ;) Very good example of a player who does alot of sketchy things, but get lost in all the other D1 noise.

 

Unvote vote aemon

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

 

Pralaya said both quick and instant, looks forced.

 

As a matter of fact, all of his post looks forced.

 

The suggestive and subjective reasoning of everything past the second quote shows me that laya is trying to go for whatever is easiest.

 

unvote vote laya

So, changing my vote from someone who has the highest vote count to someone who has a very low vote count (but who I find more scummier) is going for the easiest?

Are you trying to statistically validate yiur logic?

 

The cloud train is stalled. The AJ train is movin on up. Free association of either slot with a vote limit is not acceptible premise for shifting a vote. Care to argue the point?

 

 

Seriously? 2 votes vs 7 is moving up? Is that your argument?

 

 

Yes.  Is your argument that the numbers matter?  Are you suggesting that mafia cannot be on a smaller train than the majority?  Are you in fact stating that your team must indefinitely remain attached to whatever group you feel most easily will associate you with victory?

 

@RTE and Darthe: It's Day 1 and I have good reasons to play the way I do, and no I'm not some clueless idiot like you guys like to think I am. If you think I'm anti-town then feel free to lynch me, but I don't have to put up with all your belittling.

 

 

 

 

unvote

 

vote Pralaya

 

Are you intentionally leaving out quotes of mine so that you can twist the context of my posts for your benefit? I think I was pretty clear in response when people directed comments or questions my way. And on the Csarmi portion, how could it look forced and contrived if the discussion was between myself and Leelou? Convenient those quotes never showed up. I unvoted Csarmi after the fact because I liked his response. I questioned NotBob on moving his vote to Csarmi after unvoting Cloud because of Kat's post. Seemed like another random move by him and I wanted clarification.

 

@Darthe - I like you better when you play this way.

 

And, now you are OMGUS voting me and Darthe, in whom you had the most suspicion, is now better? This post exactly follows the case that I made earlier.

You seem threatened by whoever votes you or points a finger at you.

You did the same with NotBob.

You the same with Darthe.

And, now you are doping the same with me.

 

Regarding Csarmi, I was pointing out how you voted him for a vague reason of meta and unvoted him as soon as he says that he has changed his meta. 

 

 

Can you rephrase this?  Idk if its my eyes or your english but I can't make heads or tails of it dude.

 

I feel I have legitimate reasons for my votes. NotBob's play pretty much always warrants a vote. Darthe's posts before today weren't helpful in any fashion. He is usually a very strong town player when he has that alignment. To see him play otherwise was alarming to me. And then your case on me, which really just looks like a bunch of mashed up stuff while also leaving a lot of important information. If you went through and read all my posts, then you obviously would've read my talk with Leelou about Csarmi's meta where I explained what you call a vague reason. Is there a reason you neglected to add those?

 

And yes, naturally I feel suspicious of those who target me. Some to a lesser degree than others. Are you saying that it's scummy to defend myself?

 

Some would argue that I benefit the town more as scum.

 

 

 

unvote

 

vote Pralaya

 

Are you intentionally leaving out quotes of mine so that you can twist the context of my posts for your benefit? I think I was pretty clear in response when people directed comments or questions my way. And on the Csarmi portion, how could it look forced and contrived if the discussion was between myself and Leelou? Convenient those quotes never showed up. I unvoted Csarmi after the fact because I liked his response. I questioned NotBob on moving his vote to Csarmi after unvoting Cloud because of Kat's post. Seemed like another random move by him and I wanted clarification.

 

@Darthe - I like you better when you play this way.

 

And, now you are OMGUS voting me and Darthe, in whom you had the most suspicion, is now better? This post exactly follows the case that I made earlier.

You seem threatened by whoever votes you or points a finger at you.

You did the same with NotBob.

You the same with Darthe.

And, now you are doping the same with me.

 

Regarding Csarmi, I was pointing out how you voted him for a vague reason of meta and unvoted him as soon as he says that he has changed his meta. 

 

 

fwiw.  I agree with your observations with AJ.  He's been over-defensive since the start even when I was obviously toying with him. 

 

Unvote

 

Vote AJ

 

 

On your way out, could you do us a favor and make one of those "WIFOM" posts that reveals your team?

 

Okay, so I'm bored. I got a knife from the trigger and want to use it. Anyone have a preference? I have a few ideas, but would like some sort of majority. 

 

Kill yourself.

 

 

Darthe.

[Yates]

I will say tho, that if I had the knife, I would stab one of the lurkers. Prob one of Verbal, Yates, or Ishy. All three are refraining from commenting on relevant game matters as much as possible. And even if you hit town, meh a lurking town don't help much either. And a town PR lurking as a strategy should be knifed as well, since lurking is a good way to get killed by mafia anyways. Either way, those three make me uncomfortable with how little they're adding compared to what's normal for them. Mebbe throw in Hallia as well. She always lurks but that could prod her to start actually playing more in games she signs up for.

Woah.  Scummiest post of the game.

 

No one has the time for me to write out EVERYTHING that's wrong with this post so let me just highlight the three biggest fallacies presented here:

 

1.  Pushing a lynch all lurkers strategy on Day 1?  That's scumtastic play 101, bro.  Unless you honestly believe scum would NOT be active in manipulating the game despite being the informed minority?  Please.  Nonsense.

 

2.  A lurking PR should be killed as well?  Really?  There's NO reason for a PR to lurk?  And you think scum will kill a lurking Town because...???  Please.  Nonsense.

 

3.  Do we or do we not have this conversation about lurky Halia in Every. Single. Game. ???   And has it changed her behavior?  At some point the "lynch Halia because she's lurky and it might maybe sometime eventually possibly prod her to post more" strategy has to be thrown out the window and you have to accept her lurkiness as meta if she's allowed in a game.  Please.  Nonsense.

 

If you have a knife and you ARE Town, Leelou, stick it in Despo's belly then proceed to carve out his delicious candy coated insides.  The policies he is pushing above are proof that his mere presence in this game is going to hurt the Town.  Badly.

[Yates]

Hmmmm OR, and this is a thought worth chewing over, can you use the knife on a future day or night? Cause you could wait until there's a really good option, and the threat of that dangling knife could make teh scum start to sweat, making it easier for us to nab them.

Yeah.  This is also a great idea.  If you want to help scum.  Holster the knife long enough for scum to direct your kill or for them to kill you before you can use it on one of them.  Excellent strategy.  /sarcasm

[Verbal32]

Verb, I'm borrowing one of your lines...

 

Darthe - diaf

 

Acceptable.  Also, you could stick that knife into his left eyesocket.  Pencil not required.

 

 

 

 

I will say tho, that if I had the knife, I would stab one of the lurkers. Prob one of Verbal, Yates, or Ishy. All three are refraining from commenting on relevant game matters as much as possible. And even if you hit town, meh a lurking town don't help much either. And a town PR lurking as a strategy should be knifed as well, since lurking is a good way to get killed by mafia anyways. Either way, those three make me uncomfortable with how little they're adding compared to what's normal for them. Mebbe throw in Hallia as well. She always lurks but that could prod her to start actually playing more in games she signs up for.

Woah.  Scummiest post of the game.

 

No one has the time for me to write out EVERYTHING that's wrong with this post so let me just highlight the three biggest fallacies presented here:

 

1.  Pushing a lynch all lurkers strategy on Day 1?  That's scumtastic play 101, bro.  Unless you honestly believe scum would NOT be active in manipulating the game despite being the informed minority?  Please.  Nonsense.

 

2.  A lurking PR should be killed as well?  Really?  There's NO reason for a PR to lurk?  And you think scum will kill a lurking Town because...???  Please.  Nonsense.

 

3.  Do we or do we not have this conversation about lurky Halia in Every. Single. Game. ???   And has it changed her behavior?  At some point the "lynch Halia because she's lurky and it might maybe sometime eventually possibly prod her to post more" strategy has to be thrown out the window and you have to accept her lurkiness as meta if she's allowed in a game.  Please.  Nonsense.

 

If you have a knife and you ARE Town, Leelou, stick it in Despo's belly then proceed to carve out his delicious candy coated insides.  The policies he is pushing above are proof that his mere presence in this game is going to hurt the Town.  Badly.

 

 

Are you interested in starting a bromance?  This post was excellent.

[Hallia]

Scum Vibes:

 

Cloud – Always seems scummy to me

Moon – Semi scummy

Notbob – Random, pops in, doesn’t really help.

 

 

Town Vibes:

Andrej – Town, his posts are clear cut and helpful

Kat - Town (I hope you feel better!)

 

 

Unvote

Vote NotBob

[Yates]

Are you interested in starting a bromance?

You know there is only ONE way to lure me away from Darthe's furry embrace.  I won't tell you what that is but it rhymes with "Schmote Tags." 

[Leelou]

 

Hmmmm OR, and this is a thought worth chewing over, can you use the knife on a future day or night? Cause you could wait until there's a really good option, and the threat of that dangling knife could make teh scum start to sweat, making it easier for us to nab them.

Yeah.  This is also a great idea.  If you want to help scum.  Holster the knife long enough for scum to direct your kill or for them to kill you before you can use it on one of them.  Excellent strategy.  /sarcasm

 

 

What do you think of Darthe? Verbal said I can stab him in the eye and that's tempting. Are you still leaning town on him? Believe me, I am not going to be a sitting duck to be picked off tonight without using the knife, nor do I want to be swayed by scum.

[Leelou]

 

Verb, I'm borrowing one of your lines...

 

Darthe - diaf

 

Acceptable.  Also, you could stick that knife into his left eyesocket.  Pencil not required.

 

Very tempting, dear.

[Leelou]

Scum Vibes:

 

Cloud – Always seems scummy to me

Moon – Semi scummy

Notbob – Random, pops in, doesn’t really help.

 

 

Town Vibes:

Andrej – Town, his posts are clear cut and helpful

Kat - Town (I hope you feel better!)

 

 

Unvote

Vote NotBob

 

Any commentary on your reads more than just seems scummy or town?

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Okay, so I'm bored. I got a knife from the trigger and want to use it. Anyone have a preference? I have a few ideas, but would like some sort of majority. 

 

Ape.

 

 

You are quickly rising to the top this game. You aren't doing much of anything but making jabs. 

 

 

A very good point.  I can't recall much in the way of game related thoughts so far from Ishy.  Have you any, dearest?

 

 

Okay, so I'm bored. I got a knife from the trigger and want to use it. Anyone have a preference? I have a few ideas, but would like some sort of majority. 

 

Kill yourself.

 

 

That's a bit harsh, don't ya think?

 

Go with your gut, Leelou.  Day 1 vig kills are hard to get right, but I personally would rather trust my own instincts and sink or swim by them instead of potentially getting manipulated by mafia.

 

 

I need to spend some time tomorrow night going back through the thread. It's been a long and stressful week and my impressions are a bit muddled; I need to sort out who's actually making sense and who's just talking a lot... and who's not saying much of anything, for that matter. 

 

 

I have to take what opportunities I get or Leelou will steamroll me.

 

Verb, I'm borrowing one of your lines...

 

Darthe - diaf

 

See?

 

 

I will say tho, that if I had the knife, I would stab one of the lurkers. Prob one of Verbal, Yates, or Ishy. All three are refraining from commenting on relevant game matters as much as possible. And even if you hit town, meh a lurking town don't help much either. And a town PR lurking as a strategy should be knifed as well, since lurking is a good way to get killed by mafia anyways. Either way, those three make me uncomfortable with how little they're adding compared to what's normal for them. Mebbe throw in Hallia as well. She always lurks but that could prod her to start actually playing more in games she signs up for.

Woah.  Scummiest post of the game.

 

No one has the time for me to write out EVERYTHING that's wrong with this post so let me just highlight the three biggest fallacies presented here:

 

1.  Pushing a lynch all lurkers strategy on Day 1?  That's scumtastic play 101, bro.  Unless you honestly believe scum would NOT be active in manipulating the game despite being the informed minority?  Please.  Nonsense.

 

2.  A lurking PR should be killed as well?  Really?  There's NO reason for a PR to lurk?  And you think scum will kill a lurking Town because...???  Please.  Nonsense.

 

3.  Do we or do we not have this conversation about lurky Halia in Every. Single. Game. ???   And has it changed her behavior?  At some point the "lynch Halia because she's lurky and it might maybe sometime eventually possibly prod her to post more" strategy has to be thrown out the window and you have to accept her lurkiness as meta if she's allowed in a game.  Please.  Nonsense.

 

If you have a knife and you ARE Town, Leelou, stick it in Despo's belly then proceed to carve out his delicious candy coated insides.  The policies he is pushing above are proof that his mere presence in this game is going to hurt the Town.  Badly.

 

 

Oh god Yates, this is why we are friends.  I was literally quoting this post to do a point by point.  Heh.

 

 

Are you interested in starting a bromance?

You know there is only ONE way to lure me away from Darthe's furry embrace.  I won't tell you what that is but it rhymes with "Schmote Tags." 

 

 

Gentlemen, this town can accommodate all three.  

 

Didn't know Verb was playing though.  Glad to have you back, how'd the.. other.. game go?  I'm next since I deferred to you this time.

[Darthe]

 

 

Verb, I'm borrowing one of your lines...

 

Darthe - diaf

 

Acceptable.  Also, you could stick that knife into his left eyesocket.  Pencil not required.

 

Very tempting, dear.

 

 

Did you double post about the same irrelevant topic?

[Darthe]

@Yates, we need to make a hydra on MS.  And get that site going.

[Hallia]

Most everyone is difficult to place.  I always feel Despo is town, because he posts very long and engaging arguments.  RTE has a town vibe this game to me, but that's mainly because he's posting, but with none of the usual spam that accompanies him.  I feel you're town, and I don't know for sure about anyone else.

[Yates]

What do you think of Darthe?

He's my bro.  Even when he's scum I feel like the game is more fun for me with him in it.  That obviously doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy lynching him if he's ever caught scum - and would tease him mercilessly the whole time - but it's way too early in the game for me to enjoy his death.  And I don't have a good reason to think he's scum.

 

I hope that answer is good enough to suffice.

[Darthe]

Scum Vibes:

 

Cloud – Always seems scummy to me

Moon – Semi scummy

Notbob – Random, pops in, doesn’t really help.

 

 

Town Vibes:

Andrej – Town, his posts are clear cut and helpful

Kat - Town (I hope you feel better!)

 

 

Unvote

Vote NotBob

 

Hi Hally, hope your day is lovely.  I like that you're going a bit off the town standard with those town reads.  Vibes is a bit noncomittal a word, but acceptable.  In all of those names you didn't mention which is most town and which is most scummy?  Plz?

[Leelou]

 

 

 

Verb, I'm borrowing one of your lines...

 

Darthe - diaf

 

Acceptable.  Also, you could stick that knife into his left eyesocket.  Pencil not required.

 

Very tempting, dear.

 

 

Did you double post about the same irrelevant topic?

 

 

Yes, yes I did. 

 

 

What do you think of Darthe?

He's my bro.  Even when he's scum I feel like the game is more fun for me with him in it.  That obviously doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy lynching him if he's ever caught scum - and would tease him mercilessly the whole time - but it's way too early in the game for me to enjoy his death.  And I don't have a good reason to think he's scum.

 

I hope that answer is good enough to suffice.

 

 

Just kind of like Ape. 

[Darthe]

Well, I'm touched.

 

Are you guys?

 

[Leelou]

Well, I'm touched.

 

Are you guys?

 

 

Who do you think I should stab? And if I was going to just impulse stab, you would have been dead the second I got the knife.

[Moon Sedai]

I don't know who I'd stab if I had the knife. *thinks about it*

 

Cool that you got the trigger, but I'm terrified at the knife. 

[Lenlo]

Well, I'm touched.

 

Are you guys?

 

Are little bit.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Town reads:

 

2. Cloud

7. Verbal

9. Leelou

8. Kat

11. Darthe

15. Pralaya

19. Des

 

Null reads:

 

1. Mish

3. Ishy

5. Moon

6. Hallia

12. Tress

14. Yates

17. Dap

20. Lenlo

 

Scum reads:

 

4. RTE

18. Salami

13. Andrej

10. Aemon

 

Amirite?

 

Please PM with answers Lily.  Need the info.

[aemonkristen]

All of Aemon's posts:

 

House color vote (yellow)

 

Costume reveal (Elvis)

 

Vote's Dap, no reason given, was second vote after Kate joke-voted Dap

 

Says he'll be back in 30 mins with more thoughts

 

Posts 30 mins later, exactly (creepy) - Pretty much just parrots what everyone else has said about Cloud or Moon. Kinda suspect that after going through the thread for half an hour, he doesn't actually come up with anything original to say and fos's the two main people in the spotlight. Votes Cloud.

 

"I don't read too much into people FoSing me without a vote" - ... then proceeds to fos Notbob without voting him. Says Notbob's vote seems more bandwagonish than him thinking Cloud is scum. Kinda sets the groundwork for him to later link Notbob and Cloud.

 

Pretty terrible post right here. Seriously, just click on it - This was his reaction to Notbob unvoting Cloud because of Kat's wot. He says Notbob is either distancing from Kat... actually let's just stop there. What kind of scummie would distance from a teammate by saying on thread "I don't want to be on the same train with this person"?!?!?!?! Would literally be the worst distancing attempt ever undertaken. Serious FOS @ Aemon for trouting out that garbage (I pronounced garbage all french like to make it sound worse).

 

Says he could also be delaying a Cloud lynch, which doesn't really make that much sense since NB voted Cloud to begin with... I could mebbe buy this if NB had given any kind of rational thought or reason why he was unvoting, instead of the crap about Kat.

 

Lastly says that Notbob is at the top of his scumlist, but that he's happy with a Cloud lynch. Yeeeeaaaahhhh (say that as awkward as you can for full effect).

 

"Hahaha, you're funny Cloud (says he didn't say Cloud would flip town) - Cloud forgot to respond with the Goodfella's clip. Not much here, although I do think Aemon is making a bit of a show about how much he thinks Cloud is scum.

 

Says he didn't start linking Cloud and NB until after NB removed his vote - only comment here is that there might be an overuse of sarcasm quotes in this post.

 

States verbatim what Notbob did when he unvoted Cloud - nudges Notbob, says he is looking pretty scummy, doesn't vote him. It's way easier for Aemon to case Notbob, but he apparently doesn't want to move his vote from Cloud. Remember what I said before about mafia liking to park votes instead of move them? I think Aemon is scared of moving his vote to Notbob for fear of being called out.

 

Joke

 

"I was going to say much the same" (I believe he was referring to what Lenlo said about Leelou stabbing who she wants) - moves his vote to Notbob, but doesn't say anything about Cloud... Repeats that NB is at the top of his scum list. Again, thinking he feels he has to make a show out of saying he's voting someone cause he thinks they're scum. Also, what happened between the last couple of posts and this one that made him change his mind to vote Cloud instead? Mebbe cause Cloud's train looked like it was dying so Aemon's self-consciousness made him move his vote so he could still fit in with the crowd?

 

Someone else pointed this out, but he also includes an unnecessary tidbit about how if Leelou chooses to knife Notbob, he'll change his vote, obviously. If it was obvious why did you feel the need to say that? Furthermore Leelou hinted that she would be using the item at night, and perhaps can only use it at night. So why mention the knife thing at all in regards of who to vote for? The knife will come after the lynch has already been decided. This was Aemon's response to being called out about that.

 

 

That's actually enough for me. Still wouldn't mind a lynch on Notbob at all, but Unvoting and Voting Aemon seems like a thing to do. Also the best chance of catching scum atm imo.

I'm just going to address some of the more glaring errors in this train wreck of a case.

 

1. I was the second person to FoS NotBob and also the second to vote him. How does that compute to "fitting in with the crowd"? If you are going to make accusations like that you should probably read the entire thread instead of just grab one person's posts.

 

2. Leelou never hinted at anytime that she could only use the knife at night. iirc, she said "I have a knife and I'm itching to use it". On my phone right now so I can't go back and grab the quote, but that's what the post boiled down to.

 

3. You seriously didn't get that my commenting on moving my vote if NotBob was killed was my stab (see what I did there) at a joke?

 

4. How in the world did you come to the conclusion that if one of us flips town the other must then be scum? It would be a null tell at best.

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE DESPO

 

Your attempt to get both of us killed has me thinking NotBob is town as well, despite his scummy play.