4 hours ago, Scarloc99 said:

Becoming a DnD DM taught me this, I have seen so many DM's try and perfect the world before they let players loose in it, wanting to know the backstory of Greta the barmaid in a tavern at the edge of the world, just in case the players go there. I have got really good at just having the minimum I need in my world at any one point for the story and then feed off the players to make the world and create the story as we go through it. 

Greta the barmaid is cleary the BBEG of the entire story. She's running a shadow network of mummy assassins, and she only went down that path because the players stiffed her on a bar tab 3 campaigns ago.

Just now, Guire said:

Big question.  Is Horn gone now?

I don't know. I tweeted that very question to Rafe... I doubt I'll get an answer. <_< 

2 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

You just blow past the explanation. When Mo says she would kill 1000 innocent people to protect Rand, she establishes that protecting the Dragon as the internal justification which permits her to “bypass” the oaths: by definition, if they are trying to harm the Dragon, they are all Darkfriends. 

TV Show Oath doesn't have a clause for dark friends.

3rd oath in tv show.

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Never to use the One Power as a weapon, except in the last extreme defense of her own life, or the life of her Warder, or another Aes Sedai.

5 hours ago, Ralph said:

says only 12 Eps also. seems not updated? 

That would be the correct number of episodes.
8 first season.

11 episodes as of Aug 31/Sep 1st.

12 episodes as of Sep 7th/Sep 8th.

7 hours ago, Meskell said:

the channeling for the bond to be unmasked…

The wording Lan used was this.

"You released my bond"

I don't think she masked it.

I think she literally un-bonded Lan, and what we saw was her re-bonding him.

3 hours ago, Sabio said:

I think it would have been better had they kept Ingtar arc, with him trying to get redemption.  I mean why even care about the character, he's now just some noble who sacrificed himself.  Who lasted like 5 seconds.

I really, really feel like we had a TON of cut content.

Whether that's content that was shot and hit the cutting room floor, or content that was written but never filmed because of time constraints due to Amazon's stupid restrictions.

1 hour ago, Mailman said:

Is this serious incense large enough and controlled enough to cover a charge over that distance, you must be joking.

White Cloaks know their incense. They do be good at covering up the smell of the devils lettuce.

8 hours ago, Mailman said:

What about Nynaeve pushing the fletching through the wound WTF. Seems she can't heal or have any wisdom skills in this episode.

Yeah, I was a bit annoyed at that. She's a bloody wisdom. I'd think she'd at least know you should break the arrow off...

On the other end. I don't think she's personally dealt with many arrow wounds, and if she's read about them at all... it probably said "push it through".

At least she didn't yank it out, arrow head and all...

I actually loved how Rand just ganked Turak. 

50 minutes ago, orbops said:

Here's what Deadline's streaming viewer table for the week of 9/4 to 9/10 says, "Meanwhile, Prime Video’s original The Wheel of Time notched 515 million viewing minutes (same as last week) after releasing another new episode and moved up to No. 3 among originals."

Or the original source

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

I can't be the only one sussing Amazon's numbers being the same two weeks in a row like... Did they forget to submit the numbers correctly? 

6 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

The author knows his history. He did a fantastic job of making Uhtred into a believable historical figure. There's some very powerful dialogue coming at the end of S3 that alludes to this.

I really need to finish watching Vikings...

Almost makes me wish they tied the two series together... but ya know... bbc vs history channel...

11 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

Such good stuff ahead! 

Alfred is such a calculating bastard, isn't he? But at the same time, I admire his commitment to his faith and his duty. I find it to be such a great portrayal of that period in history.

I will say, it is confusing as hell, that Ragnar Ragnarson has no relationship to Ragnar Lothbrok... But Uhtred's 2nd wife, is the great grand daughter of Ragnar Lothbrok.
I was also surprised to learn that Ubba was Ragnar Lothbrok's son!

I ended up looking up familial connections on the last kingdom wiki last night after hearing Ragnar Ragnarson's speech about "You know me, you know my family" just to see if he had any connection to the famous Ragnar...

34 minutes ago, Mirefox said:

Speaking of rating, I was just browsing around on Prime and I noticed that The Shannara Chronicles has a higher star rating than Wheel of Time.  Ouch.

 

Both are higher rated in Amazon than Rings of Power.  The Expanse, another book adaptation, is rated higher than all of them.

 

This nonsense is what happens when I don’t have enough time to start a show before my kids get home but I’ve already sat down and don’t feel like getting up.

Two things.

1) How many people are actually watching/rating it on Prime? Shannara Chronicles didn't initially come out on Prime. It was originally an MTV show.

2) As of Season 2, I haven't been able to rate shit on Prime. The most I can do is give it a "thumbs up" but I can't actually give it "star rating".  I can't do this on my TV, Phone, or Web. So who knows how many other's can't figure out how to "rate" the show on Prime.

41 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

Oh, I'm so excited!! LOL

I think the relationship between Uhtred and Alfred is one of the most amazingly well-written things in all of television. I'm a little in love with David Dawson.

I'm at the point where

I recently started watching this show, after having it suggested... several times by @Elder_Haman.
Last night I finished Season 3, Episode 3. 

I have never read the book series it's based on, and as a stand-alone TV series I'd say it's solid.

I'd actually rank it above the Witcher in terms of Action/Drama/Plot. 
It's CGI budget is definitely lower than Witcher's CGI budget in Season 3, but that's apples to oranges.

Season 1, Episode 1 had a fantastic battle scene that really set the stage for the entire show.
Once the Danes put up their shield wall it left the audience saying: "Yeah, these British guys' are absolutely bloody fecked".

As the season's progress, you start to see how these impressively trained Danes, can be paralyzed in the face of new scenarios, tactics and techniques that are introduced...

This is the topic for Season 2, Episode 8: What Was Meant to Be

Director: Sanaa Hamri

Writers: Tim Earle / Rafe Judkins

This topic is for discussing Episode 8 only. You should expect to encounter Full Spoilers Up To Episode 8, and full book spoilers on this topic.

10 minutes ago, Mirefox said:

I remember years ago I was watching some commentary for Battlestar Galactica and one of the things Ronald Moore said right off that bat was that before writing, before filming, they basically created the “BSG Bible” as a reference and guide for all future writing. Ignoring the fact that this show has a long-established and very thorough Bible available in the form of the actual books it purports to be adapting, it has been very clear through 15 episodes that:

 

a) The writers aren’t consistent with their world building.

 

b) Don’t explain their world building adequately enough.

 

c) Play fast and loose with their world building and are willing to change it to fit the plot.

 

Any combination of these three things explains a lot about this show and “explains” their Logain sub-plot.

Perhaps the concessions the WGA strike won from studios, will allow more writers to work on projects like this, like they did... back in the day?

15 minutes ago, Elgee said:

 

Thank you.

But I didn't mention that, so didn't think it was a spoiler.

Lan "knowing more about channeling" was something that didn't happen until episode 7.

7 minutes ago, Gypsum said:

I also wondered if Logain was the best person to teach Rand, given he can't show Rand any weaves.

TBF, Asmodean was castrated in what he could teach Rand. Must really suck if Rand's a visual learner and not a book learner...

9 minutes ago, Gypsum said:

It would be awesome if Asmodean shows his face and gets an arc. I liked him -- his character was starting to get interesting --

Who knows? It might still happen? Maybe in a different way this time?

Perhaps we'll see him in the Black Tower as Taimasmodean? lol

5 minutes ago, Gypsum said:

I didn't mind Lan's detective work. My quibble, however, is with Logain. How is he able to see weaves? I didn't think gentled/stilled people could see weaves anymore, but I might not be remembering that rightly from the books. Can they?

Book lore no.
Show lore yes... sorta?

Show lore they've made changes like. You can't sense someone channeling unless you're channeling.

Logain has a talent that he can see men channeling even when he's not channeling, and possibly a talent to see weaves when he's not channeling. (That's independent of him being stilled?)  This replaced his talent to sense plot armor.

Miri (Young Seanchan Damane) has a talent that allows her to sense women who can channel even when they aren't channeling.

5 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I have to respectfully disagree, being naive explains nothing of Faile's character, she is making deliberate decisions about how to treat Perrin that are not mistakes due to lack of experience.

The two aren't mutually exclusive things.

A person can be niave/make mistakes due to lack of experience, and make a deliberate decision on how they treat someone.

 

6 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

If they don't have an adult level of maturity they should not be getting married.

lol

There are adults Today that don't have adult level of maturity that still get married and shouldn't. 😉 

7 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I do not understand where you get the theme of the books is children becoming sexually active, getting married and running states, waging war, all sorts of fun. Young adults are not children, and are fully responsible for their actions.

EF5 and the main cast are between 18 and 25, they aren't children, they are young adults. I don't think @Scarloc99 called them children? You did? And they definitely went from few to no sexual activity to lots. Getting married and running states/waging war... Yeah, they are responsible for their actions. They have to grow up. That's why this is a... coming of age story... Where people grow up. They make mistakes. They grow. They change. They adapt. They go from being selfish assholes who only have one world view to being selfless people who have an expanded world view...

On 10/1/2023 at 12:59 AM, DaddyFinn said:

Lan said in one episode that it takes 8 Aes Sedai to gentle/still a channeler. I guess 8 is the lucky number instead of 13 and there will be 8 Forsaken

42 minutes ago, Elgee said:

 

Yeah apparently Lan now knows more about Channeling than any Aes Sedai.

 

Moved both of your posts to this topic since Episode 5 was NOT the correct topic for Lan knowing about Moiraine being shielded.

There's a ton of debate about Faile over on the book forums...

My take on their relationship is that of culture. They come from two polar opposite cultures.

That said;

3 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

She expected Perrin to telepathically know why she was annoyed and would not communicate with him about it.

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She was physically aggressive.

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She punished him for things, even when she knew he was sincere.

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She actively tried to circumvent things that he wanted because she knew better,

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and did not talk to him about any of it.

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She took ownership of him,

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 she decided what was best for him, what he wanted, and how it was going to happen. 

Every behavior you described here, was the behavior of "Men" from the 1900s.

When it comes to "Mystery who done its", something I as a viewer absolutely detest, is when they reveal the guy who did it out of left field, and it's someone you've never seen before.

It's like doing a Detective Holmes novel where you're on this journey of "Is it this guy, or that guy" and then in the end he's like "Yeah, it's actually THIS GUY who I've never mentioned until NOW!".

22 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

Eh. Yes and no. 
All shows have to cut some corners in this regard to make the action flow and to get other things on screen. 

I’m just not bothered by not having a full explanation for how the girls were taken from the Tower.

Yep. And we've covered the whole girl-tower-escape thing to death. lol

They cut corners, and implied a conspiracy for those looking to thinking about it. I'm fine with that.

 

22 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

 Lan saying, “I found this thing out” would have been terrible without his scene with Logain. With that scene it’s just a sort of annoying little plot hole. 

This though is just a harder pill to swallow.

A woman can no more teach a man to channel than a fish can teach a dog to climb a tree.

Yet, we had Lan figured out some random obscure knowledge regarding the Forsaken, completely off screen, when we've mostly ever seen him brooding, mediating, or standing around shirtless.

Involving Verin is only conjecture. We don't know that she had anything to do with it. As written, it could 100% be Lan that figured it out with no help from anyone, and he got his eureka moment after talking to Logain. No Logain would have been horrible... And not just because less Logain is bad for the show! He rocks every scene he's in!

I dunno, I feel like if any scenes hit the cutting room floor, like Lan in a library, reading a book, or even any interaction with a brown Ajah, that the editors did a lazy job in terms of continuity due to Amazon's BS adherence to "run time restrictions".

1 minute ago, Elder_Haman said:

No. But does everything have to be spelled out? Or do you think audiences are capable of making reasonable inferences?

As we know, TV Shows need to "show not tell" in regards to exposition. 

I believe this also relates to plot relevant inferences.

We don't need to see the characters relieve themselves to infer that they do in fact, relieve themselves on trees.

Just like we don't need to see how Liandrin managed to single handedly sneak 3 accepted out of the tower, and have time to run back up the tower and put a compulsion weave on Sheriam to make a false entry on the girls leaving the tower, to make the assumption that Liandrin had all kinds of help in Tar Valon, even if it was just making liberal use of compulsion.

Even then, given how little Lan actually did this season and how much of it was acting off of those around him? Why not show Lan getting help from someone, or show Lan doing some research, instead of just telling us that he found something?

Because in all honesty, they violated that one rule. They told us, instead of showing us.

On 10/1/2023 at 7:32 AM, king of nowhere said:

you imply this site is subject to censorship, but if that was the case, this thread would not have been approved in the first place.

I mean, this site is subject to censorship as covered in this section of the website.  

https://dragonmount.com/forums/forum/561-forum-rules-guides/. (Hence why we have rules regarding Language, Naughty pictures, WoT Fan Fiction, etc.)
 

This is a private website hosted by private individual(s). It is not a website hosted by the US, State, or Local Government and is thus not subject to the 1st amendment which reads as follows:

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Last I checked, DM is not congress and passes no laws. DM is not a public space, it is a private space like someone's house.

Section 230 which was originally part of the Communications Decency Act is something DM is subject to in multiple ways. Both as a Publisher of WoT related News and Content, and as a Web Forum.

Broadly Section 230 makes DM not legally liable for things users post or upload.
Section 230 also legally allows DM to moderate user submitted content as it sees fit.
Should Section 230 ever get repealed, we'll likely see the Forums shut down, and every comment field turned off on DM.

In social media sphere(s) like Facebook, Twitter, and beyond this has led brigades of people to cry foul of "My free speech is being violated!"... In general, no it's not. Those sites can do whatever they want.
When the government requests those sites do it, that's another thing entirely... 

Either way, I think we can probably all agree that Facebook's algorithm moderation is an absolute joke. It's trash. They need to hire real people because holy crap the spam bots are bad on that platform. Really bad...

We balefire our Spambots here.

My spambot kill count is over 9000!