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Darthe · January 24, 2017

I'm going to bed, will be present tomorrow.

Eldrick4221 · January 24, 2017

On 1/18/2017 at 5:29 PM, Ironeyes said:

On 1/17/2017 at 7:55 PM, Verbal32 said:

On 1/17/2017 at 5:35 PM, Darthe said:

On 1/17/2017 at 1:52 AM, Ironeyes said:

I really don't understand the fuss. Darthe always pulls stuff like this. It really doesn't raise his scum equity at all

Its like folks never learn. Even if I am the watcher that would be a fake claim from me.

Btw, marsh looks super relaxed.

What does that mean to you?

Work keeps interrupting, so I'm still on page 7

If it helps, Darthe reads me exceptionally well when I'm vanilla. It usually takes him just a few pages to figure out that I'm not stressing about how best to use my role. I'm assuming that's what "relaxed" is supposed to mean

This combined with Darthe's recent post gives me vibes that if Marsh is scum, Darthe is too.

Eldrick4221 · January 24, 2017

Being I have reason to believe Darthe is town, this is a point in Marsh's favor.

Eldrick4221 · January 24, 2017

On 1/18/2017 at 5:32 PM, Ironeyes said:

On 1/18/2017 at 2:18 AM, bopolis said:

real talk: other than the 20 or so posts before I entered the thread this morning(or posts quoted inside them) i didn't read much before that and in the last 40 minutes everytime i sit down and go to look at them i instead find something else to do, so i've given up trying and decided to go for some real time interactions.

this is where i'm currently at(based on tone/impressions or a combination of the two):

villagy:

clov

leaning villagy:

aj

villagy but less confident than above

lenlo

verbal

dice

wifi

???:

ironeyes

hallia

darthe

niniel

stinkeye:

nolder

wolfy:

eldric

thoughts concerns comments

I agree with this for the most part. Of course if it were my own list I'd move myself to lock town, and I'd add Bop under "lean villagy." And I'd switch Wifi and Hallia.

This is an interesting post, because it's the first time he even mentions Hally, yet he's giving her a town read with no reasoning.

Eldrick4221 · January 24, 2017

On 1/19/2017 at 5:47 PM, Ironeyes said:

I'm still not sure about this Hallia lynch, so in the interest of evening the trains just a little I'll [unvote] and vote Wifi

I will be in class for the deadline but it's a class where having my phone out isn't much of a problem. So I'll be here

This wording is really weird.

He was town reading Hally. Gut reason, sure, but a town read nontheless.

To say he's not sure about the train would imply he's considering it. He hasn't discussed reasons for or against her lynch.

It's just really odd and feels like presence without input.

Sooh · January 24, 2017

Vote count:

Niniel (1): MrsClov

Verbal (1): Ironeyes

Not voting (7): Darthe, Dice, Verbal, Lenlo, AJ, Eldrick, Niniel

EOD3 in:

Eldrick4221 · January 24, 2017

So the Marsh/Darthe dynamic would suggest that Marsh is town.

But looking at Marsh independently and he doesn't look that good. As of right now that's where I'm leaning on voting.

I need to give it some more thought, though, because these concepts are clashing.

Eldrick4221 · January 24, 2017

I'm gonna take another look at Lenlo tomorrow. I think I'll look into Nini as well. She's the lowest of my town reads and there's a chance I'm wrong there.

Niniel · January 24, 2017

Final lynch D2:

Verbal (2): Niniel, Bopolis

Nolder (3): AJ, Eldrick, MrsClov

Not voting (6): Darthe, Ironeyes, Dice, Nolder, Verbal, Lenlo,

I think it was Eld that said that he thought everyone on Nolders train were town. I have town read all of them so he could be right. Eld has done some things that I question (like his vote on Nolder) but overall I think he is putting a lot of work into this thread. I don´t know if he would do that as mafia. I know I´m town and Bopolis was town so it´s possible that all of us that were voting are town. What that means for Verb, I don´t know.

I think the nk was weird. I didn´t have Bopolis as mafia but I thought it was weird for him to give him up for a lynch and feared it was a way to get easy townie points. So there were some doubts. Others have been more town read by the majority of players.

I need to re-read D2 and I won´t get the time before tonight. I´m soon going to work. But from what I remember not much changed my mind, since many wasn´t that active during D2. I still think AJ, MrsClov and Dice are town. I would like to hear more from Dice though. I don´t think Verb has done anything to change my mind. The same goes for Lenlo. I will re-read Marsh again.

On 1/24/2017 at 2:34 AM, MrsClov said:

On 1/24/2017 at 2:33 AM, MrsClov said:

For what it’s worth, Hallia never once mentioned Niniel or responded to any of her posts from what I can tell.

NIniel says that the lynch on both Hallia and Wifi looks good in post#585. In Post #591, she posted her reads list her read on Hallia was that she agrees with Aj’s read on Hallia.

I didn’t mention it at the time but post #741 bothered me. She was on Wifi, and wasn’t around for the final lynch. When she finally did come back on she said “That was a good lynch:)” It bothered me because she was still on Wildfire and now looking back it kind of bothers me more because she wanted look into Marsh for refusing to lynch Hallia. Oh By the way, the final vote count for Wifi after her claim? Lenlo, Niniel, and Hallia.

[v] Niniel[/v]

Remember that I live in CET, which means that I´m asleep well before deadlines. I was not here when Wifi claimed.

dicetosser1 · January 24, 2017

On 1/24/2017 at 2:03 AM, Darthe said:

On 1/21/2017 at 10:09 PM, dicetosser1 said:

im ok with bops reasons for voting wifi. Showed he was paying attention. Was a valid reason to sus. COULD be done by a scum but i lean to doubting it.

Marshs vote on eldrick has me wondering. most scum wouldnt have voted a completely off train then but he could be smarter then the average scum i guess.

AJ has me a little worried but its fully based on my own paranoid expectations of his dice reading abilities. gonna shelve that for now

i have it in my mind and could some one confirm for me cause i also have to catch up in another game do i remember hally linking me and verb?

Dice you tend to split up your posts about people into seperate posts, one for each person. Moreover, what has you paranoid about AJ's ability to read you specifically? That's a throwaway statement in this game.

never really notice my splitting into seperate posts thought i usually did it like this

Now for the paranoid and btw im really glad u asked.

I think i was pretty clear town from early on to anyone that has played a lot with me. Most DEFINITELY clear after hallis flip.

AJ is probably the best Dice reader in the game. Yet he didnt clear me and i whinged and whinged about it until he finally cleared me.And now im absolutely off the lynch pile in his reads.

but clearing me feels like he was giving a lolly to a kid just to shut it up. and that worries me.

thing is tho since he changed his playstyle i am no longer a goat AJ reader. He can trick the hell outta me again and i tinfoil on him HARD because of it. and i do NOT want another repeat of the Game that is not to be named and that causes me to doubt my thoughts on him.

So do me a fava have a look at our interactions and tell me if im being an idiot or not please

Verbal32 · January 24, 2017

On 1/24/2017 at 1:31 AM, Andrej said:

I was kind of expecting/hoping I'd be dead so I wouldn't have to worry about solving this game anymore. But all things considered I was probably going to always tinfoil a little bit on Bop so that helps. Gonna miss him motivation though :(

MrsClov and Dice are still off the table.

Like I said earlier, I don't think Verb/Nini would be scum together.

Wanna see what Darthe comes back with.

Lenlo needs to bring something to the table as well.

I get worried when I see statements like this later in the game from people that are generally being viewed as town. That you've been thread leading and thought to be town....and still alive, is a bit worrying.

On 1/24/2017 at 2:12 AM, MrsClov said:

Alright, so now for Ironeyes. In post #361 he likes Bopolis’ reads list, except he’d take Wifi from villagy and put her in null and move Hallia from null and put her in villagy,

Post #372 he responds to AJ and says that Hallia’s a gut read and that he doesn’t have anything concrete for her. He then however gives a decent stance on why he thinks Eldrick is scum.

Post #407 in response to make a lynch list. The people he would lynch as of 1/18 was Niniel, Verbal, Wildfire, Dice, Eldrick, Hallia.

#584 says he’s not sure about the Hallia lynch and votes Wifi to even the trains.

#660 he unvotes Wifi after claim and moves to Eldrick

Now if he was willing to lynch Hallia in #407, but then not sure in post #584 and then flat out votes someone who has no chance of getting lynched in #660 shouldn’t there be some kind of progression in between those hundred or so posts?

That was essentially my point.

On 1/24/2017 at 3:03 AM, Ironeyes said:

On 1/24/2017 at 2:12 AM, MrsClov said:

Alright, so now for Ironeyes. In post #361 he likes Bopolis’ reads list, except he’d take Wifi from villagy and put her in null and move Hallia from null and put her in villagy,

Post #372 he responds to AJ and says that Hallia’s a gut read and that he doesn’t have anything concrete for her. He then however gives a decent stance on why he thinks Eldrick is scum.

Post #407 in response to make a lynch list. The people he would lynch as of 1/18 was Niniel, Verbal, Wildfire, Dice, Eldrick, Hallia.

#584 says he’s not sure about the Hallia lynch and votes Wifi to even the trains.

#660 he unvotes Wifi after claim and moves to Eldrick

Now if he was willing to lynch Hallia in #407, but then not sure in post #584 and then flat out votes someone who has no chance of getting lynched in #660 shouldn’t there be some kind of progression in between those hundred or so posts?

The difference is that when I made the list it was less of who i was willing to lynch than who I was not willing to lynch at the time. Later in the game as the votes piled off WiFi due to her claim, I felt that the scum were using it to create a CFD type effect and panic the town into voting someone random. I didn't see Hallia as scummy. Clearly I was wrong, but my reason for not voting her had less to do with her than it did with my unease about the circumstances of the lynch itself.

This is a BS statement for an EOD vote without the need for a hammer. There was no weird circumstance - there was no rush of activity, it was just people moving off the #1 or #2 option (depending on the person) and voting the other main option for the day.

That you went off on a tangent for the reasons you state above, doesn't look good (imo). That's the crux of my point. You can go on and on about how I'm ignoring what you said, but the fact is that I'm not - I'm just choosing to not believe you.

On 1/24/2017 at 3:15 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

Well ISO of verb didn't help too much. I'm still unsure about him. I don't like his sussing mrsclov and hally while voting wiffy, but that has already been disvussed in detail.

I noticed while reading that he commented on there being 1 scum in wiffy and hally. At the time I thought they both could be. Reading it again, it sounds like possible TMI.

His progression on MrsClov is also something to take note of. He comments at the end of D1 about feeling better about her. Then he's back to pushing her later with no change in between.

Sorry for the lack of quotes. I'm being lazy.

Or maybe I was simply right? I have played this game before, ya know. ;-)

Verbal32 · January 24, 2017

Let me just ask what's bothering me:

1. @AJ - why are you still alive? More to the point - why are you and MrsClov BOTH still alive? The 2 top townies per popular opinion, and you both still live.

2. @Marsh - why are you so focused on 1 detail (me sussing you), while I'm trying to figure out multiple slots on the roster? Tunnel vision ain't a good thing, yo.

3. @Tina - You've said in the past that you town read me based on how I'm questioning things and not going with the flow. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I'm doing those things in this game. I'm questioning people 99% of the players assume are townies. One could say I'm against clearing people, and case me on that. But NOBODY is doing that, which makes me wonder. What makes you still think I'm scum?

4. @Lenlo - you are my only solid town read, FYI - keep doing you :-)

5. @me - I didn't actually have 5 items, but having only 4 felt weird

Verbal32 · January 24, 2017

Let's do this, town.

Eldrick4221 · January 24, 2017

Why is Lenlo a solid town read for you?

Andrej · January 24, 2017

On 1/24/2017 at 3:16 PM, Verbal32 said:

Let me just ask what's bothering me:

1. @AJ - why are you still alive? More to the point - why are you and MrsClov BOTH still alive? The 2 top townies per popular opinion, and you both still live.

2. @Marsh - why are you so focused on 1 detail (me sussing you), while I'm trying to figure out multiple slots on the roster? Tunnel vision ain't a good thing, yo.

3. @Tina - You've said in the past that you town read me based on how I'm questioning things and not going with the flow. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I'm doing those things in this game. I'm questioning people 99% of the players assume are townies. One could say I'm against clearing people, and case me on that. But NOBODY is doing that, which makes me wonder. What makes you still think I'm scum?

4. @Lenlo - you are my only solid town read, FYI - keep doing you :-)

5. @me - I didn't actually have 5 items, but having only 4 felt weird

1. Your guess is as good as mine. Probably so someone could set this exact sort of argument up. So was it you or are you just taking the bait?

3. This isn't clearing in and of itself. You can fight against consensus all you want but it's not exactly progressive. Though I am open to the idea of Nini being scum and if that's the case I'd feel much better about you.

4. Why Lenlo?

MrsClov · January 24, 2017

On 1/24/2017 at 3:16 PM, Verbal32 said:

Let me just ask what's bothering me:

1. @AJ - why are you still alive? More to the point - why are you and MrsClov BOTH still alive? The 2 top townies per popular opinion, and you both still live.

2. @Marsh - why are you so focused on 1 detail (me sussing you), while I'm trying to figure out multiple slots on the roster? Tunnel vision ain't a good thing, yo.

3. @Tina - You've said in the past that you town read me based on how I'm questioning things and not going with the flow. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I'm doing those things in this game. I'm questioning people 99% of the players assume are townies. One could say I'm against clearing people, and case me on that. But NOBODY is doing that, which makes me wonder. What makes you still think I'm scum?

4. @Lenlo - you are my only solid town read, FYI - keep doing you :-)

5. @me - I didn't actually have 5 items, but having only 4 felt weird

1. I'm going to guess one of us would have died N1 if it wasn't for Wifi' s claim. Bop being the n2 kill was pretty surprising to me.

Darthe · January 24, 2017

On 1/24/2017 at 6:17 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

So the Marsh/Darthe dynamic would suggest that Marsh is town.

But looking at Marsh independently and he doesn't look that good. As of right now that's where I'm leaning on voting.

I need to give it some more thought, though, because these concepts are clashing.

So you not only think me town but also that I am right?

I will cherish this moment, should you be town in the end.

Darthe · January 24, 2017

On 1/24/2017 at 8:20 AM, dicetosser1 said:

On 1/24/2017 at 2:03 AM, Darthe said:

On 1/21/2017 at 10:09 PM, dicetosser1 said:

im ok with bops reasons for voting wifi. Showed he was paying attention. Was a valid reason to sus. COULD be done by a scum but i lean to doubting it.

Marshs vote on eldrick has me wondering. most scum wouldnt have voted a completely off train then but he could be smarter then the average scum i guess.

AJ has me a little worried but its fully based on my own paranoid expectations of his dice reading abilities. gonna shelve that for now

i have it in my mind and could some one confirm for me cause i also have to catch up in another game do i remember hally linking me and verb?

Dice you tend to split up your posts about people into seperate posts, one for each person. Moreover, what has you paranoid about AJ's ability to read you specifically? That's a throwaway statement in this game.

never really notice my splitting into seperate posts thought i usually did it like this

Now for the paranoid and btw im really glad u asked.

I think i was pretty clear town from early on to anyone that has played a lot with me. Most DEFINITELY clear after hallis flip.

AJ is probably the best Dice reader in the game. Yet he didnt clear me and i whinged and whinged about it until he finally cleared me.And now im absolutely off the lynch pile in his reads.

but clearing me feels like he was giving a lolly to a kid just to shut it up. and that worries me.

thing is tho since he changed his playstyle i am no longer a goat AJ reader. He can trick the hell outta me again and i tinfoil on him HARD because of it. and i do NOT want another repeat of the Game that is not to be named and that causes me to doubt my thoughts on him.

So do me a fava have a look at our interactions and tell me if im being an idiot or not please

Im not exactly keen on rereading things, but if you or AJ or anyone really wants to tackle this and bring it current, I definitely would wanna see how he got his read on you. That said, I might actually read back on AJ anyhow.

Darthe · January 24, 2017

On 1/24/2017 at 2:12 AM, MrsClov said:

Alright, so now for Ironeyes. In post #361 he likes Bopolis’ reads list, except he’d take Wifi from villagy and put her in null and move Hallia from null and put her in villagy,

Post #372 he responds to AJ and says that Hallia’s a gut read and that he doesn’t have anything concrete for her. He then however gives a decent stance on why he thinks Eldrick is scum.

Post #407 in response to make a lynch list. The people he would lynch as of 1/18 was Niniel, Verbal, Wildfire, Dice, Eldrick, Hallia.

#584 says he’s not sure about the Hallia lynch and votes Wifi to even the trains.

#660 he unvotes Wifi after claim and moves to Eldrick

Now if he was willing to lynch Hallia in #407, but then not sure in post #584 and then flat out votes someone who has no chance of getting lynched in #660 shouldn’t there be some kind of progression in between those hundred or so posts?

This is a killer post btw. I think the conclusion it points towards is prob wrong, but this is townie thinking.

Darthe · January 24, 2017

On 1/24/2017 at 2:34 AM, MrsClov said:

On 1/24/2017 at 2:33 AM, MrsClov said:

For what it’s worth, Hallia never once mentioned Niniel or responded to any of her posts from what I can tell.

NIniel says that the lynch on both Hallia and Wifi looks good in post#585. In Post #591, she posted her reads list her read on Hallia was that she agrees with Aj’s read on Hallia.

I didn’t mention it at the time but post #741 bothered me. She was on Wifi, and wasn’t around for the final lynch. When she finally did come back on she said “That was a good lynch:)” It bothered me because she was still on Wildfire and now looking back it kind of bothers me more because she wanted look into Marsh for refusing to lynch Hallia. Oh By the way, the final vote count for Wifi after her claim? Lenlo, Niniel, and Hallia.

[v] Niniel[/v]

She hasnt done anything this game. Im not a fan of lynching in the dark when there are actually wolfy players here like verb, eldrick, argueably Len.

MrsClov · January 24, 2017

On 1/24/2017 at 5:03 PM, Darthe said:

On 1/24/2017 at 2:34 AM, MrsClov said:

On 1/24/2017 at 2:33 AM, MrsClov said:

For what it’s worth, Hallia never once mentioned Niniel or responded to any of her posts from what I can tell.

NIniel says that the lynch on both Hallia and Wifi looks good in post#585. In Post #591, she posted her reads list her read on Hallia was that she agrees with Aj’s read on Hallia.

I didn’t mention it at the time but post #741 bothered me. She was on Wifi, and wasn’t around for the final lynch. When she finally did come back on she said “That was a good lynch:)” It bothered me because she was still on Wildfire and now looking back it kind of bothers me more because she wanted look into Marsh for refusing to lynch Hallia. Oh By the way, the final vote count for Wifi after her claim? Lenlo, Niniel, and Hallia.

[v] Niniel[/v]

She hasnt done anything this game. Im not a fan of lynching in the dark when there are actually wolfy players here like verb, eldrick, argueably Len.

Not a set in stone vote. She's one of four I'm willing to vote.

Verbal32 · January 24, 2017

Re: my read on Lenlo - mostly due to how he treated his read of Eldrick, which is essentially the same thing I did. Also, how he responded to being wrong about Hallia. He put in some work in re-reading and looking for posts and summarizing - overall I liked it.

Verbal32 · January 24, 2017

On 1/24/2017 at 4:17 PM, Andrej said:

On 1/24/2017 at 3:16 PM, Verbal32 said:

Let me just ask what's bothering me:

1. @AJ - why are you still alive? More to the point - why are you and MrsClov BOTH still alive? The 2 top townies per popular opinion, and you both still live.

2. @Marsh - why are you so focused on 1 detail (me sussing you), while I'm trying to figure out multiple slots on the roster? Tunnel vision ain't a good thing, yo.

3. @Tina - You've said in the past that you town read me based on how I'm questioning things and not going with the flow. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I'm doing those things in this game. I'm questioning people 99% of the players assume are townies. One could say I'm against clearing people, and case me on that. But NOBODY is doing that, which makes me wonder. What makes you still think I'm scum?

4. @Lenlo - you are my only solid town read, FYI - keep doing you :-)

5. @me - I didn't actually have 5 items, but having only 4 felt weird

1. Your guess is as good as mine. Probably so someone could set this exact sort of argument up. So was it you or are you just taking the bait?

3. This isn't clearing in and of itself. You can fight against consensus all you want but it's not exactly progressive. Though I am open to the idea of Nini being scum and if that's the case I'd feel much better about you.

4. Why Lenlo?

Ironeyes · January 24, 2017

On 1/24/2017 at 3:16 PM, Verbal32 said:
2. @Marsh - why are you so focused on 1 detail (me sussing you), while I'm trying to figure out multiple slots on the roster? Tunnel vision ain't a good thing, yo.

If you think my problem with you is that you've sussed me, then you misunderstand me completely. You don't notice me biting MrsClov's head off, or Niniel's. They've both sussed me in recent pages, but they did it in a towny way. You did it in a scummy way.

Sooh · January 24, 2017

Vote count:

Niniel (1): MrsClov

Verbal (1): Ironeyes

Not voting (9): Darthe, Dice, Verbal, Lenlo, AJ, Eldrick, Niniel

EOD3 in:

No change.

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