Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Shad_]

My thoughts on Believer haven't changed. I still think he's the scummiest person here

Thoughts on Darthe?

[Katiora]

 

Kat posted like twice.  She said she didn't pick TAR, that she picked the stedding and ended up in TAR anyways

 

Then Kat's a Wolf.

 

how do those equal out?? Everyone quit talking when i got there. Like seriously, radio silence. Tink posted something. It was fairly self explanatory. There just wasn't a whole lot of discussion.

[Katiora]

Are you people for real?!?!?!?!!?

 

Kat posts nothing in the QT and was on last night yet not posting and Hallia you of ALL people should know she was around.

 

Any yet no one thinks shes a Wolf???!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I got on for literally like 2 seconds to see if I had been NK'd. I was quite busy at the time and didn't have time to read the thread. Also I knew the game was a DL game and wasn't overly concerned with being lynched over the weekend. 

[Zander?]

 

 

Kat posted like twice.  She said she didn't pick TAR, that she picked the stedding and ended up in TAR anyways

 

Then Kat's a Wolf.

 

how do those equal out?? Everyone quit talking when i got there. Like seriously, radio silence. Tink posted something. It was fairly self explanatory. There just wasn't a whole lot of discussion.

 

 

So there was nothing NOBODY said at all to comment on???

 

You had no thoughts on your own at all to share???

[Pralaya]

Why did JS vote Believer on D1, kat?

[Zander?]

 

Are you people for real?!?!?!?!!?

 

Kat posts nothing in the QT and was on last night yet not posting and Hallia you of ALL people should know she was around.

 

Any yet no one thinks shes a Wolf???!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I got on for literally like 2 seconds to see if I had been NK'd. I was quite busy at the time and didn't have time to read the thread. Also I knew the game was a DL game and wasn't overly concerned with being lynched over the weekend. 

 

 

But you had time to VC with us?

 

Pretty sure DL ended Wed early evening iirc, then N1 ended Thursdays early evening.

 

If Im mistaking my days for DL and N1 lmk but if Im right and feel even stronger about my assumption about Wed and Thurs not being the weekend is correct.

[Shad_]

Pretty positive without checking that D1 ended Thursday and D2 began Friday.

[Shad_]

Pretty positive without checking that D1 ended Thursday and D2 began Friday.

yep

[Katiora]

OK So just kinda want everyone to follow along here.

 

This is going on after I start pushing towards a Hellian lynch.

 

 

What happened to Pral???

 

 

 

What happened to Pral???

Kinda wondering this myself... 

 

 

 

OK like serious question to everyone:

 

Can you name or show me like one villagery thing from Hellian?

 

 

Do I actually have to ISO on D1 to look at that??? >.> 

 

 

Since it's zander... yes I did... And nothing particularly towny no... *shrugs* but I don't see anything that yells scum either. I DID see what he was talking about where you quoted a hallia post and said it was him. But it was one time, so I don't get the "he keeps doing it repeatedly" vibe he's getting off but I think that could be from frustration. But it could be scum angry because he thinks you're on to him. It's D1... I hate it. It makes me unhappy and slightly indecisive. 

 

 

 

Do I actually have to ISO on D1 to look at that??? >.> 

 

 

Since it's zander... yes I did... And nothing particularly towny no... *shrugs* but I don't see anything that yells scum either. I DID see what he was talking about where you quoted a hallia post and said it was him. But it was one time, so I don't get the "he keeps doing it repeatedly" vibe he's getting off but I think that could be from frustration. But it could be scum angry because he thinks you're on to him. It's D1... I hate it. It makes me unhappy and slightly indecisive. 

I'm seeing what Z means about shading though. And I don't like it any more than he does. 

 

 

I quoted this for 2 reasons:

 

1) Makes me feel even better about Iron.

2) Kat says IM TUNNELING Hellion, yet others are pointing things out.

 

Anyone yet find a reason Hellian is a villager?

 

Anyone have a better suggestion?

 

 

 

Anyone yet find a reason Hellian is a villager?

 

Anyone have a better suggestion?

It's not that I have a better suggestion it's that I have a problem with approaching trying to solve a game from the perspective of " how do we not lose". Bad reason to push a lynch. I'd prefer dice tbh

 

 

 

Zander do you realize that Pral has only 8 posts... 

 

 

Kat pushing a lynch on a pretty much an inactive Pral atp over Hellion, who she thinks is Scummy.

 

I also will have to double check but I dont think she mentions him previously to me calling him out but Ill have to confirm this.

 

Darthe wants to lynch Dice over Scum for #lolderfraisins???

 

I feel pretty strongly there is at least one Wolf in this whole exchange and its not me or Iron.

I never said he was scummy. You keep saying that but I didn't. At least not as much as some other people. If I were to vote for everyone that I thought had done SOMETHING scummy i'd have voted for almost everyone in this game. And by tunneling I mean you wouldn't even really consider anyone else. All you would say was "isn't hellian scummy" "what's something hellian did that wasn't scummy" "let's talk about how scummy hellian is" "forget everyone else in the game hellian is scum" 

 

I mean like totally. WOAH. And you wonder why I didn't vote with you. That's all you would talk about and the more you did it the harder I tinfoiled that maybe you're wrong. What if you're trying to lead us the wrong way? What if I just WANT you to be town and you're not? So I didn't vote with you. And you're making a super big deal out of me voting SOMEONE else I thought was MORE scummy and now I'm scum for voting my thoughts instead of just blindly following you. And IF i had blindly followed you you would have just said I bussed apparently. 

[Zander?]

Funny in your post tho you said you worried about DARTHES reaction to the vote/bussing not mine.

[Katiora]

 

@Kat - where are you??

Kat doesn't play on weekends.

 

Wolves like to exploit this in hammer games to lynch her on weekends, actually.

 

^^^ TRUTH

[Tiinker]

 

There's also a very good chance he's a wolf trying to draw a cop read as a GF/survive long enough to use a NA imo.  

TLDR - he can't be resolved until later either way.

 

Didn't think of that actually.

 

We're all hunting scum but I haven't really seen much talk about SK? Was that discussed and I just missed it?

[Zander?]

 

 

There's also a very good chance he's a wolf trying to draw a cop read as a GF/survive long enough to use a NA imo.  

TLDR - he can't be resolved until later either way.

 

Didn't think of that actually.

 

We're all hunting scum but I haven't really seen much talk about SK? Was that discussed and I just missed it?

 

 

SK is poss.

 

But 4 Scum seems more likely imo.

[Shad_]

 

There's also a very good chance he's a wolf trying to draw a cop read as a GF/survive long enough to use a NA imo.  

TLDR - he can't be resolved until later either way.

 

Didn't think of that actually.

 

We're all hunting scum but I haven't really seen much talk about SK? Was that discussed and I just missed it?

 

We have a claimed vig. That's your SK most of the time, if there's an SK.

 

But we have reason to believe there are 4 wolves, so an SK isn't terribly likely.

[Wildfire Sedai]

whats the difference if there's 3 scum and 1 sk or 4 scum???? besides nk???

[Zander?]

 

 

There's also a very good chance he's a wolf trying to draw a cop read as a GF/survive long enough to use a NA imo.  

TLDR - he can't be resolved until later either way.

 

Didn't think of that actually.

 

We're all hunting scum but I haven't really seen much talk about SK? Was that discussed and I just missed it?

 

We have a claimed vig. That's your SK most of the time, if there's an SK.

 

But we have reason to believe there are 4 wolves, so an SK isn't terribly likely.

 

 

Shad I feel like youre just saying things I already said.....lolololololol

[Zander?]

whats the difference if there's 3 scum and 1 sk or 4 scum???? besides nk???

 

One less Scum imo.

[Shad_]

@ Kat I'm not terribly interested in why you viewed DM for 30 seconds on Saturday or why you didn't say much in QT or whether you had sworn some implicit oath to sheep Zander (lulz).

 

I want you to explain your progression on John Snow yesterday to me.

 

I would like to know your present thoughts on Darthe.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

whats the difference if there's 3 scum and 1 sk or 4 scum???? besides nk???

 

One less Scum imo.

 

 

how so??? we still have to kill them...makes them scum to me?? don't you think?? or do I have something wrong here??

[Katiora]

 

 

Like I just imagine how deflated Scum!Kat would be after Hellion Mega Power PR lynch, then,....next morning BOOM John Snow gets got.

 

I guess that prolly applies to Scum anyone but still lolololololol.

That was my reason for wtl Ocicat in JC. Inactives gonna inactive. :\

 

I mean you know town!Kat gets mislynched on weekends for her inactivity.  Cory just did it.

 

I think her EoD behavior is highly suspicious, and being sent to Tel against her will makes sense for her as scum based on my POE.  Those are the big things, for me.

 

 

I dunno I just have trouble thinking Town!Kat isnt more invested and involved.

 

No one denied her inactivity in the QT, she was on DM yet didnt pop in after flip and was vc'ing that night with us.

 

I just cant see this making any sense to me,

 

So if im understanding the bold a town pr old scum kat in?

 

 

 

BIG difference in VoiceChating on my phone and trying to read and post in here with ya'lls mega quotes and crap. I wasn't going there this weekend. It's a DL game I didn't have to. It doesn't make me scum

[Katiora]

Counterpoint to #1637 that Believer was explicitly asking for more time while Hellian wasn't even trying.  That was a major determining factor in why I preferred to lynch Hellian, but I don't know what sets off Kat's bells and whistles.

 

It's still pretty sketch

 

 

The point that he was there but doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. "It's D1 so I'm not gonna scum hunt at all, I'll just defend myself when someone puts a vote on me" that's not very townish. At least Hellian, when she was here was appearing to scum hunt, until Zander went in on her and she left completely. Believer was just riding it out. To me that yells scum. I don't get why no one else gets that. 

[Zander?]

So you dont play/post Mafia on your phone???

[Darthe]

 

1. Tiinker town prob, like his train if though, can follow, good presence

2. Nolder dead

3. Kat I think others have made good points om her but I habitually and accidentally skim her so ive little to add of my own beyond that id kill her over me

4. Dice really clean game frm him, responded well to me early on

5. WiFi looks like wifi. I have no idea, but maybe clean

6. Hallia clean, a bit overly aggressive for what I think of as town hally, solid claim though

7. John Snow dead

8. Darthe me

9. Zander/Cass love this slot, tinfoils only and.theyre rare

10. Pral playing solid, louder than old laya

11. Hellian dead

12. Believer why didnt hellian execute you ywsterday? Combined with what ive found to be pretty manipulative play, specifically the rigidity of forcing people to read him (her?) Logically and attempts to refute evrything. It looks defensive and twisty, to be brief

13. Ironeyes liled him from the beginning, I think he has awesome presence and I can follow his thoughts

14. Shad basically the same said above about marsh, sans a bit of tinfoil here as well but thats mostly cleared up at this point

D2 Votecount

 

 

Kat (2): Pral, Zass

 

Believer (2): Dice, Darthe

 

Darthe (3): Believer, Hallia, Tiinker

 

Not Voting (4): Ironeyes, Katiora, Shad_, WiFi

 

 

You have until phase change to decide where to stay the night

[V] kat I dont wanna die

Say what?

I legitimately have no idea what you're trying to say here.

[Zander?]

 

Counterpoint to #1637 that Believer was explicitly asking for more time while Hellian wasn't even trying.  That was a major determining factor in why I preferred to lynch Hellian, but I don't know what sets off Kat's bells and whistles.

 

It's still pretty sketch

 

 

The point that he was there but doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. "It's D1 so I'm not gonna scum hunt at all, I'll just defend myself when someone puts a vote on me" that's not very townish. At least Hellian, when she was here was appearing to scum hunt, until Zander went in on her and she left completely. Believer was just riding it out. To me that yells scum. I don't get why no one else gets that. 

 

 

So more likely for Scum to BE AROUND at DL and DO NOTHING, THEN TOWN and when starting to be sussed a little peace out altogether iyo?

[Darthe]

Occams razor says im just lazy or irl busy as I mentioned pre game and at game start