Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Wildfire Sedai]

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I'll be out of town all weekend and we're night killing Zander, so you're good.

  

We should hang out more.

  

I math as well as Zander but I promise A does not result in B here 

If it's behavioural analysis you're after, I'm not seeing the depth of thought I'm used to with you here and your early read of us bugs me. You're on the up in ISO but man I'm gonna lololololol if you're a wolf.

Darthe, which game /ISO of Shad's are you referring to?

 

i iso'd him this game to make a point and came out of the iso with different thoughts

 

 

Here Darthe is frustrating me....cause I do same thing...like now...I am ISO'ing him to make a point but I don't know.....LOL we shall see when I am done

 

 

 

Well that's not nice... We still have nearly two days. You can clear yourself and we can move on to lynching scum.

Wolf me would jump on this, town me thinks it's meant earnestly

 

 

The fact that he didn't jump on it would say that it is his town game.  However, the fact that he KNOWS that it would be noticed as his town game SHOWS that he is fully capable of doing the same as WOLF.

 

 

I feel I've stuck up for Shad a decent amount this game and I don't like it. But he's been one of the main contributors to the game and it seems like a lot of nitpicking. I really hope I'm not wrong.

If this is a fake wolf post its a good one, should be regarded as objectively townie

 

 

shows that he can see both sides of the coin very easily....pocketing attempt noted...

 

It seems to me like mostly the same people are talking, and it's a very meta centric and very joley spammy environment so I'm having some trouble really delving into the content here but that could just be me. Mostly my reads have been reinforced, shad has went up a little bit again and I'd like to add that I have a slight town lean on believer so I don't really know where I want to go vote wise yet. Sucky though it is that is most of what I have gotten out of today.

 

Updated his reads...to paraphrase: says he's basically bored with convo with same people talking and joking around, could be just him.   @ darthe.  shad read goes up townie points, believer gets slight townie points, basically sucks that, this is all he's gotten out of that day.

 

Tink you are playing well

 

another pocketing attempt...or could it be reverse distancing.....bear with me here.....IF I forget about this REMIND me, please

 

 

Anyone yet find a reason Hellian is a villager?

Anyone have a better suggestion?

It's not that I have a better suggestion it's that I have a problem with approaching trying to solve a game from the perspective of " how do we not lose". Bad reason to push a lynch. I'd prefer dice tbh

 

 

Here he tries to find a round about excuse to see hellian villager without coming outright and saying so....Hellian was wolf

 

 

Positive reinforcement affects me way more than people seem to think.


Laya, dice, nol maybe, js, these are lynched that have made sense to me today, even if I disagree with the reasoning behind some of them.

 

He puts forth 3 townies imo well 1 conf. townie and 2 maybes then throws a scumbag as a MAYBE ..... - 1 minus townie point

If youve requested that I do anything since I was last here you should know that im way too lazy and my time is far too limited, so no.

If you fear that im a wolf, you should know that the fact you have the thought that I might be a wolf is confirmation that im not, as I can and absolutely would fool every one of you. Especially day one.


I think that resolves most mentions of me. In particular I also remember cass asking why dice, and the short answer is that im a goat dice reader. The long answer is that he isnt going to respond well to me calling him a wolf two games in a row and I want to see that response so that I can establish a goat dice read.

 

I think the bold is very egotistical and yes fits darthe's personality, however I don't think it's true.  There has to be at least 1 game where someone caught him/or said he was wolf...whether they were believed or not is irrelevant...if they put it out there that is all that is required to make the above statement false.  

 

 

 

Nolder - meh. He came in seemed to pick a bit of a fight and then said he was gonna put someone on ignore and I haven't seen a lot more out of him. Maybe he accidentally put the whole thread on ignore?? lol idk.

WAT

I agree with kat. Most of your posts are instigative and the ones that arent are crap, which is also usually instigative. You may well be town but ive not got much to show that beyond my own interpretations of your early game. Tbf what I thought was grass beating (and still do) could easily appear to another to be stirring the pot.

 

 

Here he is agreeing with kat about nolder...who we know was town...and maybe he did too.

 

 

 

If youve requested that I do anything since I was last here you should know that im way too lazy and my time is far too limited, so no.

If you fear that im a wolf, you should know that the fact you have the thought that I might be a wolf is confirmation that im not, as I can and absolutely would fool every one of you. Especially day one.


I think that resolves most mentions of me. In particular I also remember cass asking why dice, and the short answer is that im a goat dice reader. The long answer is that he isnt going to respond well to me calling him a wolf two games in a row and I want to see that response so that I can establish a goat dice read.

Don't make me find the game where you said "Darthe does what Darthe wants. Darthe will do absolutely anything as any alignment.'
Or something to that effect.

It holds true. See: My last wolf game I just threw away a flawless victory for raisons

 

 

His Cockiness knows no bounds...  

 

 

If you'd talked about him before and I forgot that's on me but lmk and I'll pull up an ISO.

I totally didn't.  This isn't yet really my game, so I've just been around tbh.  Gonna have to give it until the weekend is past before RL opens up, it's one reason I wanted a hydra.

 

 

Admits he hasn't really been into the game...cause he hasn't been around....

 

It's mostly because I don't want him making all these links to me, I don't feel comfy enough with his slot to allow that tbh.

 

I believe this is in regards to tiink.  If I am wrong, darthe can correct me..

 

Lol dice seems fine, so does nol atm.

 

correcting his reads on dice and nol...

 

 

 

[v]Believer[/v] - give some content man. What are your reads? You town read Hallia earlier and haven't said much else since. What do you think about JS after the past 7-8 pages?

I've told the thread that I am disengaged during D1. I don't have the energy to go so deep into so little as you guys are able to do. I've given you all the reads I am somewhat confident in, everyone else is null.

Also, who is JS?

Plenty of people play like that, its nbd. How you get that read though?

 

 

Null

 

 

 

[Wildfire Sedai]

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Dice is ridiculously villagery on p47

Yeah he is obv town

 

 

agree with this.....+ 1 townie point

 

 

I dont want Believer lynched today.

He has till tomorrow.

If something doesnt happen to change then lunch him with fire!!!!!!

Props for saying a thing I would have if I was here

 

 

Is this still a thing.....I am still on the fence with believer......ugh 

 

 

This has been a weird EoD vote-wise.

Competing trains usually build up here, not dissolve.

/shrug not sure what to make of it and not interested in thinking about it too much before I see a flip

If hellian is a wolf this post is a town post almost always

 

 

Could the two wolves be darthe and shad??? I think we need to resolve kat first though....

 

I can vouch for my statements in the QT. I said exactly what I meant and I havent seen anything beyond hally trying to twist it as a slip to give me any reason to not want to say that. I didnt submit a requested place between tel and stedding and it goes to reason that if others didnt that it was selected for them too.

Tbqh, im fairly offended that I was accused of making a scum slip as I take a good amount of pride in never having made an unintended slip, something hally should know damn well.

 

Seems to be taking a different approach to playing.....I make no mistakes...than most people

 

 

 

 

 

I can vouch for my statements in the QT. I said exactly what I meant and I havent seen anything beyond hally trying to twist it as a slip to give me any reason to not want to say that. I didnt submit a requested place between tel and stedding and it goes to reason that if others didnt that it was selected for them too.

Tbqh, im fairly offended that I was accused of making a scum slip as I take a good amount of pride in never having made an unintended slip, something hally should know damn well.

"If you say that you are offended, I am still waiting to hear what your argument is".

Lol witty quotes dont make for valid points, but this ones pretty simple. My arguments in bold in your quoted post.

The scum slip isn't the QT you went to, it's the posts you made after the deadline at EoD.

The witty quote is the valid point, in this case.

Lol this is so wolfy, if anything I would think those were townie but its not quite appropriate to discuss.

 

 

Why isn't it appropriate to discuss??? DARTHE??? - 1 minus townie point

 

Hally, an assumption is an assumption. Dont be pissy because you didnt catch an easy wolf, its better to face the truth than believe a lie. Thats all null from me.

 

you're right that is all null from you...null

 

 

 

[V] believer [/v] I liked the reasons.discussed in the QT

What are your thoughts on Kat Darthe?

Any reads to share man?

Kat ive not payed much attention to. I know y'all wanna full list but its not in the cards tonight guys, maybe in the morning.

 

 

All he asked about was kat...she is a short ISO...why no read...scum buddies??? - 1 minus townie point

 

Id call the youve no one to blame but yourself and backhanded comments pissy. Are we gonna debate that too?

 

This is just being mean spirited....

 

 

Believer's definitely the player there I'm most suspicious of.

 

Think something like Darthe/Kat is possible.

 

I've tried to ISO Tiink and I'm honestly too paranoid from Overwatch to take a stance on him.  Most I've been duped since Matrix.  I can say I don't feel he's wolfy the way I did in Disney.

 

I agree with shad regarding the bold

 

Again, gonna clarify that these are off the cuff

1. Tiinker town prob, like his train if though, can follow, good presence
2. Nolder dead
3. Kat I think others have made good points om her but I habitually and accidentally skim her so ive little to add of my own beyond that id kill her over me
4. Dice really clean game frm him, responded well to me early on
5. WiFi looks like wifi. I have no idea, but maybe clean
6. Hallia clean, a bit overly aggressive for what I think of as town hally, solid claim though
7. John Snow dead
8. Darthe me
9. Zander/Cass love this slot, tinfoils only and.theyre rare
10. Pral playing solid, louder than old laya
11. Hellian dead
12. Believer why didnt hellian execute you ywsterday? Combined with what ive found to be pretty manipulative play, specifically the rigidity of forcing people to read him (her?) Logically and attempts to refute evrything. It looks defensive and twisty, to be brief
13. Ironeyes liled him from the beginning, I think he has awesome presence and I can follow his thoughts
14. Shad basically the same said above about marsh, sans a bit of tinfoil here as well but thats mostly cleared up at this point

 

has believer and kat as the last two wolves....could go there with raisins??

 

 

 

[Wildfire Sedai]

Okay so that was some of my work....I still have more to do.....please be patient....

[dicetosser1]

 

 

Turns out that believers theory about cross qt kills is correct.

Did I miss something here?

 

 

I asked the mod

 

 

 

cause we are the loudest at believer zander  

 

 

need to restate re the theory

 

asked the mod about using abilities across QTs  she said no

 

PROBLEM is  i just realised i said I  not can mafia.

 

 

here zander is the answer.  i didnt ask her until yesterday aqfter i started asking the mod

[dicetosser1]

note the red zander   it may be what mucks everything up

[Wildfire Sedai]

Dice: I asked the mod if a faction kill could switch....I got: PAFO 

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

Hey all, innocent child reporting in.

 

[v]Ironeyes[/v]

 

 

 

 

Hey all, innocent child reporting in.

 

[v]Ironeyes[/v]

Hey! :grin: Let's not be rehashing old games here! Although I still think that trick was mega GOAT.

 

It was amusing. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

I could watch those gifs all day...

The more important question is can you watch them all day and still capture wolves??

Well I won't claim to be good at mafia (not any more at least) but I'd love to kill some wolves! Does [v]Unvote vote wolves[/v] work?

[V] ironeyes [/v]

 

 

I dont know how I feel about this.

 

 

Zander I agree.  Believer doesn't look to good here....but...

 

yolo intro/early reads

 

Zander/Cass

Dice

Wifi

Pral

Darthe?

Snow?

 

I'm not even going to call Halli a mild wolf lean because that feel from me at this stage is as predictable as the sun rising in the east.

 

If you ask me what made me give Darthe and Snow minuscule town leans I'm going to say it's page 11 and ignore you.

 

first of all this post is ON page 11...the middle actually...so I checked pgs...9 and 10 darthe posts but no John Snow and so no interactions of them together which is what this implies...and darthes posts don't seem that townie...he makes a whopping 3 posts from pages 9 to this post on 11: 1. to say RL has him by the balls (YEAH that's a really gamey post ) 2. a short reads list 3. says he's gonna take zander/cass posts separately to see if he reads them the same....

 

 

 

I'm here if you wanna talk zander....and I'm not working on anything right now so I will be here if you respond....

 

If Kat's a Wolf who is her partner and why?

 

 

IF Kats a wolf I think shad is her partner cause he has said things that don't add up, point being that post I quoted above this one....I am also wondering if Kat is even wolf...I know it points to her...but darthe and shad...scum partners....plus Kat not being able to play that much....however if she was on and didn't post during night phase....does look bad for her....though to be honest..there are times I am online and not playing the game but in other sections of DM or I am catching up or doing ISO's then I get distracted and forget what I was doing... I am only vomit typing my thoughts here...anyway....

 

 

my wtl.....kat/shad/darthe/believer in that order.....I feel like I should switch the last three interchangeably though...maybe....yeah they are interchangeable sort of...maybe darthe and believer....as I am kind of convinced on shad...sorry shad I really like you but...  

[Shad_]

Slow day much?

 

I'm home, will be current before I go to bed, but probably not for a while yet.

[Darthe]

Hola, slow day indeed. Wild idk where you stand on me based on your iso. Partly because I couldnt figure out why I got some of the +s and -s I got.

 

I do think you should flip shad and believer though. That would essentially make your list consensus if I've followed correctly.

 

 

I saw a couple folks ask me to iso kat, but I dont see much need to tbh. She is gonna die with or without my input, and that says enough for me atm considering that my town reAds have been the majority of my focus and she isnt one of them.

[Cass]

Thoughts and stuff.

 

Darthe talk to me about your read of us - why are we Town? What particularly are you loving about this slot, specifically?

[Wildfire Sedai]

cass you have been asking people why we are towning you....are you wolves????

[Cass]

And Darthe - wrt WiFi

 

- How confident are you in your ability to read her? I've only seen you and her in the same game in Disney, how'd you go reading her there?

[Cass]

cass you have been asking people why we are towning you....are you wolves????

lol no

 

I have ideas on how I think Darthe would answer this if Town.

[Cass]

Or at least, ideas on how he'd answer it as Wolf.

[Darthe]

Thoughts and stuff.

 

Darthe talk to me about your read of us - why are we Town? What particularly are you loving about this slot, specifically?

Youre happy and zander isnt trying to clear himself constantly, plus youve both been pretty on point regarding reads so far. I suppose a bit of it is also that I get how youve read and and seen that progress, but mostly the other things above.

[Darthe]

And Darthe - wrt WiFi

 

- How confident are you in your ability to read her? I've only seen you and her in the same game in Disney, how'd you go reading her there?

I wasnt.confident at all til we wolved together last game. Now I see her process, and I dont think she is at a place to adapt that to a new game in such a way that it doesnt mimic the last game yet.

[Zander?]

note the red zander   it may be what mucks everything up

 

Even if what she told you was true, that doesnt mean Scum HAD to be in there.

 

And you said you KNOW and I dont get how you got there even before you realized the mistake.

 

Like they couldnt wait to N2 for example.

[Zander?]

So it begins. Send me to the dream world where I belong already...

 

 

I don't think I've ever played with Jon Snuhhh

 

 

 

 

He's definitely drumming up reads awful fast.

 

 

Thoughts on other players? 

 

Zander, and I guess you by extension, are townish. Ironeyes seems town. I'd lean to Hallia as being more town as well though I might be psyching myself into that. Gonna need to see more of the game.

 

 

 

[v]John Snow[/v]

 

17 posts and I don't think any of them have anything worth talking about tbh. It's just a bunch of stuff like "scum could have this many players", discussing general strategies in mafia or talking about possible character claims. Generally just super innocuous and his posts are just stating  things disguised as a contribution which don't actually add to this game's discussion.

 

 

Probably should've asked before I voted but can someone tell me what to expect from JS this game?

 

 

No read on Hellian atp.

 

 

Is there anything in Ironeyes posts that you can point out as being disingenuous? Keeping in mind he's a returning player, why do you read his posts as being fluff for confusion rather than a player trying to get back into the game? Feel like the Believer case is weak too. The list isn't bad in isolation but the reasons for pegging your scum targets aren't clicking with me. 

 

 

Feeling a bit better about JS.

 

 

Are people voting Hellian because lack of activity? 

 

 

Feel like John's post yesterday aren't too bad all things considered. Don't care too much to vote Hellian right now since when he comes back he'll know he's got some answering to do. Doesn't make much sense to add to it atp. 

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Believer[/v] - give some content man. What are your reads? You town read Hallia earlier and haven't said much else since. What do you think about JS after the past 7-8 pages?

 

 

Shad what's your scum team atm? I feel like I'm in a similar situation as you that I've got some good ideas about who's town but my scum reads aren't panning out much. 

 

 

I could swing Nolder from town to scum and vice versa super fast but won't be able to hard place him til later on.

 

 

 

Ok, finally caught up (had to skim a lof of Shad and Zander posts :/)

 

Not much time but this is what I am feeling

 

 

Dice - I like the way he has been inquisitive and his tone mainly suggests that he is trying to figure out stuff.

Darthe - He had pocketed a lot of people early in the day in the previous game but here is quite different. Not trying hard and mostly standing in the background and this I feel is town!Darthe

WiFi - SImilar to above, doesn't feel like the forced wifi we saw in the previous game. She is more free-flowing and that keeps her green for me.

 

John Snow - Don't see what others are seeing in scum here and I think he is mostly an easy target. Hi char-claim comment is not likely to come from scum. Neither his doc thing.

Zander/Cass - VEry difficult to read Zander early in the game. I had to skim most of his posts. Cass has seemed alright. I think they are town here but need to have flips before I can figure them out completelt

Nolder - Feeling good about Nolder - although he hasn't given detailed lists, he is having enough presence to talk to people. The tone looks townie though.

Ironeyes - He got voted pretty early and I like his reaction to that. I don't agree with his vote on Snow but otherwise his posts have been good

 

 

Shad - His initial posts where he jokes that he is scum is weird. Still think he is a deep as scum and hard to read. Don't like the AtE part and self-voting but it comes likely from town!Shad. So, kind of mixed on him.

Hellian - Not much to comment here. She is new and I don't know how she plays. Still don't know the votes on her.

Believer - Not played with him either. Seems reluctant to give out reads D1. Difficult to say

 

 

Kat - Sigh, I somehow always see Kat scummy and it is the same this game. Posts like these and these where she shows frustration look forced to me.

Hallia - Gun to head, I would say she is scum. I don't like her vote on Snow and it looked quite opportunistic. I am used to her giving more detailed reads than she has given out this game.

Tiinker - He has been just following the crowd the whole game. Kind of reminds me of the game he was scum with me. His strong Darthe town read is out of nowhere.

Lol what. Hallia claimed Nynaeve and you've got her as scum with no comment on that. Have Darthe labeled as town and criticize me for reading him as town. The only strong town read I have is Zander/Cass. Say I'm following the crowd yet I'm the only one voting on believer and there's no "crowd" in this game. There's been like zero consensus agreement on anything except town Zander/Cass. This list is a joke.

 

 

 

Idk how you get those reads without having some sort of agenda. Maybe you're hyper skimming or something cuz fair we've got 50 pages on D1 but if those are your actual reads after a proper catch up then I'll swap and vote you instead.

 

 

Kat's playing more than when her other D1s and I've yet to see a scum game from her.

 

 

I wrote this in the QT before Day ended so I'll just post it here. It obviously needs to be updated to include info on NKs but I'll post it anyway

 

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I’m ready to give Shad a clear atp. He was one of the first to vote Hellion, #877 I’d hard to believe is him like a preparing to bus cuz there’s no freaking way scum are going to bus this OP char until they absolutely have to (Execute, Strongman, Severing, Gladiator wtf). So to me that also means Nolder suddenly has a lot more town equity as 3rd vote. 

 

QED the people super reluctant to vote Hellian or people who didn’t even try are likely scum. I think the chance of a CFD was pretty low given the quality of posts nearing the end and lack of a scum target so it’s likely that the people sticking up for Hellian probably aren’t scum either (Hallia #1117, Cass #1087). Believer could’ve gone with Hellian as a target instead of JS but emphasised not liking JS since he was most obvious target at that point. His other option was probably to jump ship to Hellian but he wouldn’t do that if they’re teammates given the strength of Demandred’s role. 

 

Zass - basically clear atp. First to vote Hellian and kept at it. Swapped and swapped back. Basically clear.

 

Dice - #944 no read on Hellian.

 

Pral - “Hellian - Not much to comment here. She is new and I don’t know how she plays. Still don’t know the votes on her.” 

His comments at the end of D1 gave him a more town vibe but his I’ll disagree with his reads list even more now. 

 

Darthe - Hasn’t commented on Hellian. Says Dice and Nol look fine after not much content. Could see that as someone acting on TMI.

 

Believer - #1169. Orly.

 

WiFi - 9.15 pm Hellian is null #1139. 10.42 pm Hellian is scum. #1196 “That being said I think hellion could be scum, as described in my reads list..” he wasn’t really described as such in your reads, plus this kind of reads insecure about being caught out. 

 

 

 

 

Last 5 people on the train were Kat, Hallia, WiFi, Dice, and Darthe

 

From this group I’ve got town leans on Dice and Hallia. 

 

Leaves WiFi, Believer, Darthe, and Kat.

 

I think remaining scum are variation of these 4 but I’d guess Darthe and Believer aren’t W/W.

 

From the discussion that we had in the QT Hellian could’ve used his execute ability on Believer and cut the day short since it was fairly obvious he was toast with limited time left but he didn’t. Either he just didn’t join the thread at all or he didn’t want to kill Believer for scum mate reasons. Darthe potentially scum slipped in the TAR thread, ISO’ing there’s not a single post towards irt Hellian though he comments on Believer not being around #1232.

 

Cool with voting Darthe, Believer, or WiFi today.

 

 

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[Zander?]

Not sure if it's been discussed but in the QT Kat said she chose stedding but somehow ended up in TAR. Don't think she'd make that up really. I pointed out that the listed dreamwalkers on the WoT Wiki are mostly town so she could still be scum but it doesn't seem like a scum role to do that given how all character roles revealed so far seem to only work in TAR.

 

 

 

Not sure if it's been discussed but in the QT Kat said she chose stedding but somehow ended up in TAR. Don't think she'd make that up really. I pointed out that the listed dreamwalkers on the WoT Wiki are mostly town so she could still be scum but it doesn't seem like a scum town role to do that given how all character roles revealed so far seem to only work in TAR.

Pure speculation on my part. Drag them into TAR to protect them? Idk it doesn't seem like protective roles/helping roles are all the jam so it doesn't really fit for it to be a town role. 

 

[Zander?]

ARE YOU F#$%^%G KIDDING ME!!!!!!

[Zander?]

TLDR

 

Tink and Kat can be w/w imo.

 

Tink votes John Snow early D1 then says John gets better as he goes along.  Doesnt want any part of the Hellian lynch.  Then switches off John Snow to Believer.  Could be some distancing there with John.

 

Then his Kat posts awe awkward.

 

He leaves 4 people in his reads list PoE and is willing to lynch all but Kat...for raisins?

[Shad_]

Awh, Arnold Palmer died.

Dude was one of the few massive celebrities who never left his home town. Never met him personally, but it was always a fun thought to know I might run into one of the most famous golfers of all time going out to a restaurant or the grocery store.  My grandparents lived about three miles from where he grew up.

 

kk catching up

[Zander?]

Thread needs more CASSGOATENFPMUSICTWIN AND HALESSI IMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Also....Kat....Id like to talk to Kat.

 

In truth the thread needs more everyone.

[Zander?]

@ Shad

 

My fin' MQ messed up but please read through it and tell me what you think please irt my TLDR

[Shad_]

I can skip to that in a sec if you like.  Wifi's wot making my head spin atm.