Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Cass]

@Kat - where are you??

Thoughts on Believer given the flip of John Snow?

 

 

@Darthe, more comments with your actual opinion on particular posts, please?

 

Now it's bed. Ninight all.

[Wildfire Sedai]

So here's my state of mind right now

 

If wolves sent a rep to the Stedding, one of ZanCass, Dice, Wifi, or Believer is scum.

 

I was dead convinced last night that ZanCass Dice and Wifi were all town, thought the wolf had to be Nolder or Believer.

 

Nolder's a dead villager. Does Believer make any sense considering he was a wagon with Snow and Hellian?

 

It would basically require that we had 3 competing wolf trains on D1.

 

Seems like a stretch.

 

Any of ZC/Dice/Wifi being wolf seems like a stretch.

 

Wolves not sending a rep to the Stedding seems like a stretch.

 

Conclusion: :???:

 

Believer is the wolf and here is why:

 

As I said in the QT, I'll be going to T'A'R on the next night.

 

Faction kill - strongman - if you submit the faction kill within Tel'Aran'Rhiod and on somebody else within Tel'Aran'Rhiod the kill can not be blocked by protective roles or be roleblocked. You can not submit a strongman kill 2 nights running

 

 

actually that was copied from the D1 ending...I don't know why it says Believer on it....DM being weird

 

 

 

 

Moghedien

 

In Tel'Aran'Rhiod you may investigate one player and learn their role (role cop)

 

So here are my general points:

 

1. All night actions must be submitted from TR, town or scum

2. That the mafia had constraints on how many times they could submit a NK..." You cannot submit a NK 2 nights running" meaning each mafia player, therefore

3. They decided on a schedule of when each one is to submit a NK. (THIS IS PURE CONJECTURE.  I have no idea if this was done or not.  I am just trying to think outside the box)

 

Here are my points as to why I believe that believer is wolf:

 

1. He wants to go to TR for N2 - why?? because its his turn for a night kill.  Did we get seriously lucky enough that the other only surviving wolf (as yet tbd is the one who submitted the NK last night, so can't tonight and that's why believer wants to go to TR??

2. He INSISTED that there was a wolf in the stedding.  Insisted...NO way around it.  Could it have been TMI?  Was he talking about himself? sowing confusion?  I mean seriously let's look at the people in the stedding: ME: I'm town all the way, so is zass/dice/nolder/possibly shad....hmmm so that leaves believer...whattaya know....

3. His insistence that dice "stole" his idea....give me a fricken break...it was more like agreeing with and adding on to not stealing WIFOM totally unrelated to the game at large

[Wildfire Sedai]

[v] believe [/v]

[Believer]

Here are my points as to why I believe that believer is wolf:

 

1. He wants to go to TR for N2 - why?? because its his turn for a night kill.  Did we get seriously lucky enough that the other only surviving wolf (as yet tbd is the one who submitted the NK last night, so can't tonight and that's why believer wants to go to TR??

2. He INSISTED that there was a wolf in the stedding.  Insisted...NO way around it.  Could it have been TMI?  Was he talking about himself? sowing confusion?  I mean seriously let's look at the people in the stedding: ME: I'm town all the way, so is zass/dice/nolder/possibly shad....hmmm so that leaves believer...whattaya know....

3. His insistence that dice "stole" his idea....give me a fricken break...it was more like agreeing with and adding on to not stealing WIFOM totally unrelated to the game at large

This reads very disingenous, WiFi.

 

I've addressed points 2 and 3 in detail since day started. If you ignore my posts then I suppose you can make the post that you just did, but how else?

I'll explain point 1 if people are interested, but no one has asked me about it. I've even baited the question twice, but no one has taken it on.

 

I go into excruciating detail surrounding point 2, most of my posts this day have some of that in them and they explain it thoroughly.

 

You can only make the post you just did if you are either;

A: Oblivious to my posting.

B: Ignoring my posting, pushing an agenda.

[Ironeyes]

 

So here's my state of mind right now

 

If wolves sent a rep to the Stedding, one of ZanCass, Dice, Wifi, or Believer is scum.

 

I was dead convinced last night that ZanCass Dice and Wifi were all town, thought the wolf had to be Nolder or Believer.

 

Nolder's a dead villager. Does Believer make any sense considering he was a wagon with Snow and Hellian?

 

It would basically require that we had 3 competing wolf trains on D1.

 

Seems like a stretch.

 

Any of ZC/Dice/Wifi being wolf seems like a stretch.

 

Wolves not sending a rep to the Stedding seems like a stretch.

 

Conclusion: :???:

 

Believer is the wolf and here is why:

 

As I said in the QT, I'll be going to T'A'R on the next night.

 

Faction kill - strongman - if you submit the faction kill within Tel'Aran'Rhiod and on somebody else within Tel'Aran'Rhiod the kill can not be blocked by protective roles or be roleblocked. You can not submit a strongman kill 2 nights running

 

 

actually that was copied from the D1 ending...I don't know why it says Believer on it....DM being weird

 

 

 

 

Moghedien

 

In Tel'Aran'Rhiod you may investigate one player and learn their role (role cop)

 

So here are my general points:

 

1. All night actions must be submitted from TR, town or scum

2. That the mafia had constraints on how many times they could submit a NK..." You cannot submit a NK 2 nights running" meaning each mafia player, therefore

3. They decided on a schedule of when each one is to submit a NK. (THIS IS PURE CONJECTURE.  I have no idea if this was done or not.  I am just trying to think outside the box)

 

Here are my points as to why I believe that believer is wolf:

 

1. He wants to go to TR for N2 - why?? because its his turn for a night kill.  Did we get seriously lucky enough that the other only surviving wolf (as yet tbd is the one who submitted the NK last night, so can't tonight and that's why believer wants to go to TR??

2. He INSISTED that there was a wolf in the stedding.  Insisted...NO way around it.  Could it have been TMI?  Was he talking about himself? sowing confusion?  I mean seriously let's look at the people in the stedding: ME: I'm town all the way, so is zass/dice/nolder/possibly shad....hmmm so that leaves believer...whattaya know....

3. His insistence that dice "stole" his idea....give me a fricken break...it was more like agreeing with and adding on to not stealing WIFOM totally unrelated to the game at large

 

 

I don't think, based on that wording, that the scum have any restrictions on who submits a regular NK or when. The strongman kill, a variation on the regular kill, could only be used every other night. That's clear from Hellian's role pm. But I am of the opinion that their regular faction kill can be submitted by whomever, on whomever, every night. I may be wrong, of course, but that's my opinion. 

[Ironeyes]

 

Here are my points as to why I believe that believer is wolf:

 

1. He wants to go to TR for N2 - why?? because its his turn for a night kill.  Did we get seriously lucky enough that the other only surviving wolf (as yet tbd is the one who submitted the NK last night, so can't tonight and that's why believer wants to go to TR??

2. He INSISTED that there was a wolf in the stedding.  Insisted...NO way around it.  Could it have been TMI?  Was he talking about himself? sowing confusion?  I mean seriously let's look at the people in the stedding: ME: I'm town all the way, so is zass/dice/nolder/possibly shad....hmmm so that leaves believer...whattaya know....

3. His insistence that dice "stole" his idea....give me a fricken break...it was more like agreeing with and adding on to not stealing WIFOM totally unrelated to the game at large

This reads very disingenous, WiFi.

 

I've addressed points 2 and 3 in detail since day started. If you ignore my posts then I suppose you can make the post that you just did, but how else?

I'll explain point 1 if people are interested, but no one has asked me about it. I've even baited the question twice, but no one has taken it on.

 

I go into excruciating detail surrounding point 2, most of my posts this day have some of that in them and they explain it thoroughly.

 

You can only make the post you just did if you are either;

A: Oblivious to my posting.

B: Ignoring my posting, pushing an agenda.

 

Ok, I'll take the bait. Why do you want to go to TAR tonight instead of the Stedding?

[Believer]

 

 

Here are my points as to why I believe that believer is wolf:

 

1. He wants to go to TR for N2 - why?? because its his turn for a night kill.  Did we get seriously lucky enough that the other only surviving wolf (as yet tbd is the one who submitted the NK last night, so can't tonight and that's why believer wants to go to TR??

2. He INSISTED that there was a wolf in the stedding.  Insisted...NO way around it.  Could it have been TMI?  Was he talking about himself? sowing confusion?  I mean seriously let's look at the people in the stedding: ME: I'm town all the way, so is zass/dice/nolder/possibly shad....hmmm so that leaves believer...whattaya know....

3. His insistence that dice "stole" his idea....give me a fricken break...it was more like agreeing with and adding on to not stealing WIFOM totally unrelated to the game at large

This reads very disingenous, WiFi.

 

I've addressed points 2 and 3 in detail since day started. If you ignore my posts then I suppose you can make the post that you just did, but how else?

I'll explain point 1 if people are interested, but no one has asked me about it. I've even baited the question twice, but no one has taken it on.

 

I go into excruciating detail surrounding point 2, most of my posts this day have some of that in them and they explain it thoroughly.

 

You can only make the post you just did if you are either;

A: Oblivious to my posting.

B: Ignoring my posting, pushing an agenda.

 

Ok, I'll take the bait. Why do you want to go to TAR tonight instead of the Stedding?

 

Because it seems more dangerous.

 

As far as I see the lore surrounding this and after seeing Hellians flip in particular, it seems that TAR-goers are more likely to be targetted by night actions.

For N1 I needed to be safe, for N2 I need to not be safe.

[Ironeyes]

You need to not be safe...? That doesn't make any sense to me.

[Believer]

You need to not be safe...? That doesn't make any sense to me.

I want to be targetted by night actions.

[Ironeyes]

So are you soft claiming some sort of sensor?

[Believer]

So are you soft claiming some sort of sensor?

I'm claiming nothing.

 

Right now I've explained why all the arguments against me fall flat in the face of logic. This hasn't helped very much since those posts have gone ignored. I've gotten 2 more votes since I made them and no comments whatsoever on them.

 

So logic doesn't work, let's hard clear me. I want cop checks, night kills, anything. That's gonna give everyone a blue-on-white confirmation of my alignment.

 

I'm tired of explaining things when the explanation is ignored.

[Ironeyes]

Well the cop check is plausible, night kill is unlikely. If I were scum and you were town, I'd leave you around cause you're too easy of a mislynch. 

 

Course if you want blue on white, we could lynch you... 

[Believer]

Well the cop check is plausible, night kill is unlikely. If I were scum and you were town, I'd leave you around cause you're too easy of a mislynch. 

 

Course if you want blue on white, we could lynch you...

Lynching me doesn't benefit town, since I know my alignment.

 

Wasting a scum NK on me benefits town since most are determined that I have to be scum and will never trust me anyways. Cop checking me is also beneficial since it will confirm me and also keep me alive.

[BFG]

D2 Votecount

 

Kat (2): Zass, Believer

 

Believer (3): Dice, Darthe, WiFi

 

Not Voting (6): Hallia, Ironeyes, Katiora, Pralaya, Shad_, Tiinker

 

 

You have until phase change to decide where to stay the night

[Zander?]

 

@ EVERYONE IRT BELIEVER

 

DO YOU REALLY THINK WE HAD 3 WOLVES TRAINS D1?

 

DO YOU THINK JOHN SNOW/BELIEVER ARE W/W???

 

ISO BOTH.

 

Not even saying Believer hasnt been somewhat Scummy either.  Just looking at it from a common sense PoV right now.

[Hallia]

*nodnod*

 

I'm honestly tempted to just go ahead and vote Darthe.  His response here to get super aggressive and name calling is unlike his town play.

[Zander?]

 

Not sure if it's been discussed but in the QT Kat said she chose stedding but somehow ended up in TAR. Don't think she'd make that up really. I pointed out that the listed dreamwalkers on the WoT Wiki are mostly town so she could still be scum but it doesn't seem like a scum town role to do that given how all character roles revealed so far seem to only work in TAR.

Pure speculation on my part. Drag them into TAR to protect them? Idk it doesn't seem like protective roles/helping roles are all the jam so it doesn't really fit for it to be a town role. 

 

 

How was Kat in the QT?

 

THIS IS @ EVERYONE IN T'A'R.

 

@Kat - where are you??

Thoughts on Believer given the flip of John Snow?

 

 

@Darthe, more comments with your actual opinion on particular posts, please?

 

Now it's bed. Ninight all.

 

Kat dont play on weekends, and guess what I STILL WANT HER LYNCHED!!!!

 

She'll have Monday because this is a DL game but she was on her last night AFTER the flip and posting nothing.

 

Depending on what I hear about her in the QT and unless she comes back with some sort of miracle this is the Lynch I want.

 

 

You need to not be safe...? That doesn't make any sense to me.

I want to be targetted by night actions.

 

 

OK then why didnt you choose T'A'R N1 then??

 

 

*nodnod*

 

I'm honestly tempted to just go ahead and vote Darthe.  His response here to get super aggressive and name calling is unlike his town play.

 

I dont hate the Derf vote tbqh.

 

Would you still consider moving to Kat tho Monday if need be????

[Hallia]

Kat posted like twice.  She said she didn't pick TAR, that she picked the stedding and ended up in TAR anyways

[Zander?]

Kat posted like twice.  She said she didn't pick TAR, that she picked the stedding and ended up in TAR anyways

 

Then Kat's a Wolf.

[Ironeyes]

Kat showed up well into the night and said she chose the Stedding, sparking a little talk about someone possibly being able to pull people into TAR. Wasn't more than three or four posts from her though. 

[Ironeyes]

Ya what Hallia said

[Ironeyes]

 

 

Not sure if it's been discussed but in the QT Kat said she chose stedding but somehow ended up in TAR. Don't think she'd make that up really. I pointed out that the listed dreamwalkers on the WoT Wiki are mostly town so she could still be scum but it doesn't seem like a scum town role to do that given how all character roles revealed so far seem to only work in TAR.

Pure speculation on my part. Drag them into TAR to protect them? Idk it doesn't seem like protective roles/helping roles are all the jam so it doesn't really fit for it to be a town role. 

 

 

How was Kat in the QT?

 

THIS IS @ EVERYONE IN T'A'R.

 

@Kat - where are you??

Thoughts on Believer given the flip of John Snow?

 

 

@Darthe, more comments with your actual opinion on particular posts, please?

 

Now it's bed. Ninight all.

 

Kat dont play on weekends, and guess what I STILL WANT HER LYNCHED!!!!

 

She'll have Monday because this is a DL game but she was on her last night AFTER the flip and posting nothing.

 

Depending on what I hear about her in the QT and unless she comes back with some sort of miracle this is the Lynch I want.

 

 

You need to not be safe...? That doesn't make any sense to me.

I want to be targetted by night actions.

 

 

OK then why didnt you choose T'A'R N1 then??

 

 

*nodnod*

 

I'm honestly tempted to just go ahead and vote Darthe.  His response here to get super aggressive and name calling is unlike his town play.

 

I dont hate the Derf vote tbqh.

 

Would you still consider moving to Kat tho Monday if need be????

 

I actually don't hate the Derf vote either. Even if he's town, we can still talk to him at night in TAR, and we can get his take on the game from the perspective of confirmed townie. I'm looking forward to talking to Nolder in the coming night phase for that exact reason. 

[Wildfire Sedai]

@zander: you know I had just went and got all of believer's 34 posts from EOD1 and was gonna go through them, then you post this: 

 

@ EVERYONE IRT BELIEVER

 

DO YOU REALLY THINK WE HAD 3 WOLVES TRAINS D1?

 

DO YOU THINK JOHN SNOW/BELIEVER ARE W/W???

 

ISO BOTH.

 

Not even saying Believer hasnt been somewhat Scummy either.  Just looking at it from a common sense PoV right now.

 

You better be right! and you better NOT be wolf...cause I can see the mafia team splitting...two in TR and two in stedding...just saying  

[Pralaya]

[V]Kat[/v]

 

I made a few points earlier in the day how the scum might have wanted to set up a town train to Execute. In the light of that, kat's vote on believer looks really bad.

 

Plus kat had some questionable posts D1 which I was suspicious of

[Pralaya]

Here are my points as to why I believe that believer is wolf:

 

1. He wants to go to TR for N2 - why?? because its his turn for a night kill. Did we get seriously lucky enough that the other only surviving wolf (as yet tbd is the one who submitted the NK last night, so can't tonight and that's why believer wants to go to TR??

2. He INSISTED that there was a wolf in the stedding. Insisted...NO way around it. Could it have been TMI? Was he talking about himself? sowing confusion? I mean seriously let's look at the people in the stedding: ME: I'm town all the way, so is zass/dice/nolder/possibly shad....hmmm so that leaves believer...whattaya know....

3. His insistence that dice "stole" his idea....give me a fricken break...it was more like agreeing with and adding on to not stealing WIFOM totally unrelated to the game at large

That's too much of assumptions to make a convoluted point. But then this is also what I expect from a town wifi. So there's that