Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Shad_]

 

I randed town, feels reinvigorating after being dark for a bit.

 

One game is 'a bit' ?

 

 

 

[v]Zander[/v] so I can have less to read through. And therefore kinda spend time on my home work

 

Seems legit

 

No it doesn't. We're post capped.

 

*raises eyebrow*

 

Basically these reminded me of things you said at the start of WoW that I found reaching at first but towny after talking to Pizza, and it was right that time and I rolled with it.  It's your natural inclination to immediately start looking for things that seem off, and while those posts are rofly easy to fake, it's not as likely to be on a wolf's mind to bother doing it that early in the game in the first place.  Even if you did think of it, you would probably go 'these accusations are really silly' or something and hesitate to draw negative attention.  Basically I thought if you were a wolf you were very accurately mimicking something you do as town that no one in this game would necessarily remember and that could do you more harm than good.  Hence very early town lean.

 

Weak sauce? It was page 4. I was getting things started and I'm pretty confident at this point that it was a good read. 

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

Nolder are you drunk???

 

lololololol

What's up? I'm just trying to get a feel for a new player. Problem?

 

Lol what is that? I always lynch trump supporters...

 

Well that doesn't bode well for our future together...

 

A policy lynch is something you will always lynch a player for, on policy.

 

For example there is a saying called Lynch All Liars that many also take as a policy lynch.

If someone is found to be lying then you lynch them.

There is another one called Why Me = Fry Me where if someone cries "why me!?" while you're voting them instead of continuing to hunt the mafia then they need to be lynched on policy.

Another, Lynch All Lurkers...and on and on. There are many Policy Lynches and some individuals have their own that haven't really caught on with the community while some are against the idea altogether.

 

I want to know how you feel about policy lynching and whether there is any you adhere to.

 

 

Finally someone answers a question I've been wondering about for a while now: what's the policy lynch mean? and I didn't even know Why Me, Fry Me? was a policy lynch?  *cough* Darthe *cough* but that is in the past.  and all is forgiven.   

 

 

Ive got a slight town read on nol but not being cooperative is not that hard to fake

It isn't. It's not his typical inclination as mafia though, at least since I've started playing with him.

 

 

Some meta info on nol given here if I should believe it...

 

 

 

Yall put up a lot of content in the two hours I was in physics. I cringe to think of how much catch-up I'll have to do on Mondays...

 

 

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Yeah I think that was beating the grass. Yall seem to have some history im unaware of too.

NBC he was a villager, dropped a wolf read, I asked him to explain it and he wouldn't because I hadn't answered his question first.  I answered him, but he didn't feel that my answer was serious so he still refused to talk to me about his read and we danced for 30 pages before I finally decided if he was a wolf he'd have just given me what I was looking for and moved on by then.

 

Vs as 3P and Mafia I've known him to be fairly cooperative.

 

Now I'm glad I waited till after class to reread, cause this is good to know. 

 

Ive got a slight town read on nol but not being cooperative is not that hard to fake

 

wut? How was I uncooperative? With who? Shad?

 

 

Don't know if this was answered...It probably was as this time: I did do a zander re-read....I just multiquoted x # of posts per tab with y # of tabs till I got caught up and then am starting to answer them.  This is the first tab I have to answer....3 more to go.  

 

 

 

Running the thread is classic scum play. Easy to hide behind false content.

 

With that said, it's only day 1, so I'm still watching player interactions.

 

Why do you call scum wolves?

So what are your thoughts on me?

 

Still waiting on an answer to this.

 

 

 

What does: Running the thread mean? 

 

 

Yall put up a lot of content in the two hours I was in physics. I cringe to think of how much catch-up I'll have to do on Mondays...

I'll be out of town all weekend and we're night killing Zander, so you're good.

 

 

Is this a hint that Shad is mafia? or is this continued joking that he is mafia?  I have read through the thread so know he had his AtE moment and don't want him to have another one cause I am hinting he might be wolfy cause of these wolfy hints....but HELL SHAD....they are WOLFY....

 

 

 

So actually, I don't know if I was right when i said that he was really mod influenced from last game.  I saw a ton of references to past games and meta in his ISO, and I do mean a ton, but most of it didn't seem to clearly point to this past game outside of the above two which makes some sense to me.

 

Tbh, the ISO left me a bit less comfortable with you Shad.  You reference so many other games and back up so much of what you say that it almost appeared as if you felt the need to cover your every step.  I still have you as slight town I think, but only just so.

 

 

The bold is a large part of what I've seen in TownShad. A willingness to dig deep and then to express it and communicate clearly. Am I wrong? Are you referencing an ISO of a Town or Wolf game?

 

I've no idea what it means for him, as I don't have a meta for town vs wolf shad!  I just noted what I saw, which I think objectively is prob more +ev for a wolf.

 

 

 

I think this gets cleared up further on ITT so will leave it alone for now....iirc....and I hope I do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hellian kind of sketching me out with the pop-in earlier today.

I will never make your post counts XD.

I feel like I've played with you before but I might be crazy. Have you ever played on 2+2 or VS?

Nope.

Ok guess I'm crazy and thinking of someone else.

 

Do you believe in policy lynches?

Lol what is that? I always lynch trump supporters...

Policy lynch is when you auto-lynch in certain circumstances regardless of who it is or how they've been playing. For instance, I would almost never leave a claimed 3rd party alive. In one game I subbed into someone claimed Serial Killer and tried to get the town to leave him alone. It didn't work...and also he was mafia faking. I was the SK.

Gotcha. I would do the same if someone claimed my role. Claiming SK seems an odd choice. Did you counter reveal?

 

 

So what exactly are you saying here?  Are you mafia/SK?  What role would you automatically lynch if someone claimed???

[Shad_]

Seriously marsh is such an easy early game town read. Ive not seen him have this much wim in a long time.

 

I might actually check on this later.

 

/dbflex

 

I would definitely agree that he's bringing the same general attitude he showed in Demons Cove, as far as being excited about the game and wanting to get involved and not being afraid to state his opinion on things.  That's a good look generally but the sort of thing that's a lot more reliable with meta.

[Shad_]

@ Wifi, a policy lynch is basically saying "if a player does x I will lynch that player regardless of their alignment".

 

It's the most anti-town thing in the universe, but some villagers love to do it.

 

Funny thing about Nolder's policy lynch self-voters stance is Nolder has a habit of self-voting. 

[Cass]

 

Believer, you've been extremely disengaged so far.

 

What's up with that?

I wouldn't say "extremely".

 

Coupled with RL things and my general dislike of D1 shenanigans, I'd say that my level of participation has been quite normal.

 

 

Expect me to be fully present from D2 forward.

 

 

Thoughts and leans on anyone besides Ironeyes/John Snow?

 

 

*nodnod*  I see that, Bee.

 

Hallehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. What else do you see? 

 

 

 

 

Actually while you both have high post counts, I see more content in your posts than spam. ATM I am reading you as hyperactive townie.

I suppose that's fair.Zander's a villager. I have a lot of experience playing with him and a great track record reading him and I would be very very surprised if he was anything else in this game.It will help me a lot towards reading you if you spread out more and express your thoughts on the whole player base instead of just focusing on him.

Don't you find it odd that he accuses me of ignoring questions that are referencing another player?

 

 

The bold from Shad is what's important here. I guarantee you Zander is Town. The vote on you is currently there to encourage more activity as far as I can tell.

I don't understand your question so can't help you there. Zander gonna Zander.

 

 

 

 

 

Believer, you've been extremely disengaged so far.

 

What's up with that?

I wouldn't say "extremely".

 

Coupled with RL things and my general dislike of D1 shenanigans, I'd say that my level of participation has been quite normal.

 

Expect me to be fully present from D2 forward.

 

These were all your read-related posts that I could find:

 

 

 

Hey all, innocent child reporting in.

 

[v]Ironeyes[/v]

 

Da freak? Believer hasn't unvoted? Dude, it's WAY past time to leave a joke vote there. I need to move him down the list.

Why do you assume it's a joke vote?

 

Why do you think it's past time?

This is not a majority lynch game, no votes until 1 hour before deadline actually matter.

 

 

I will change my vote though, after I've caught up, unless that person improves or you do something scummy.

 

Meh, I was going to vote John Snow but now I kind of like Ironeyes again.

 

Bothers me slightly that I'm voting with John though, meh.

 

 

Consider me engaged, anyone here to talk to?

Meh.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]John Snow[/v]

 

Not trying to be confrontational but why?

I assume you're talking to me.

 

I don't like his opening.

 

 

 

 

Meh. Maybe your IC game set a standard that you're going to have a hard time living down, but you were more engaged early in Star Fox even if it paled to Disney.

 

I suppose there's only 14 players here though.

 

I guess that having seen what you're capable of as a villager I have fairly high expectations, but it also tells me you're not going to just be frozen as a wolf. You're a player who knows what he's doing.

 

I certainly haven't seen anything to make me want to lynch you today, was hoping to have a decent read on you early though.

 

 

Mind-meld on the bold wrt Believer.

[Ironeyes]

Hey Shad I forgot already, did I answer your questions regarding my read list? I know I wanted to but I don't remember if I actually did

[Katiora]

I pretty much just policy lynch AJ if he's in the game.. it doesn't matter what he does... >.> 

 

 

I kid I kid... kinda. Though I've joked about policy lynching him in almost every game since the one that we wolfed together in.. and every game I didn't.. and every game he was scum lololololol

 

 

Ok so as far as reads. I'm not gonna quote the whole list, so if I leave someone off they're Null, cause I"m lazy and busy. 

 

 

Zass (Zander/Cass) - It's hard for me to imagine Zander as anything but town from his play so far. Of course that could just be because I wanna sheep him *shrugs* 

 

Hallia - I want to see more from. She does seem towny from what she's posted, but I know from experience she's good at appearing towny d1 as scum. So Town lean but that's about it. 

 

WIfi - seems her usual self. This is reassuring after the last game she came in and at first didn't know how to act, which for me was a bigger give away than most took it as. Most likely she's town here. Though the last game could have just taught her how to fake it better lol 

 

And it goes downhill from here lol. 

 

Darthe I'm just not sure about. I always have a hard time reading him though, mostly I think because he's slightly..... abrasive? That word will work.. *shrugs* 

 

Shad - Seems slightly defensive, but I've seen him do that as town so idk. It'd be an easy thing to do as scum to though so he's mostly null. 

 

Nolder - meh. He came in seemed to pick a bit of a fight and then said he was gonna put someone on ignore and I haven't seen a lot more out of him. Maybe he accidentally put the whole thread on ignore?? lol idk. 

 

Marsh - I don't think i'll ever be able to read him on D1. Or maybe ever... Both games I've played with him he's looked fairly similar and seemed scum, but last game I know he was town so maybe i'm just reading him wrong. 

 

Hellian - I don't know. He's new so I don't know how to take him yet. I'm currently reserving judgement because I think some of his stuff that "seems" scummy could just be from him being new and not knowing people and not knowing how to take different people, but could come from scum. 

 

 

 

Who else is in this game? I just went totally blank. 

[Tiinker]

I am :( 

[Tiinker]

I've basically been absent today trying to catch up on lectures but I'll slot a few hours in tonight to get on the same page as everyone else.

[Katiora]

And I missed like 4 people so I pulled the list after all cause some of these people I just didn't remember was even here... Like Pral or John Snow. 

 

1. Tiinker -  He played a mean mafia game so I'm kinda hesitant to give him any kind of town lean until I feel much mo betta about him. I should have remembered he was in the game though... I blame just eating lunch and only getting about 3 hours of sleep lol
2. Nolder
3. Kat - lock town
4. Dice - seems very diceish. I'd say probably town lean. 
5. WiFi
6. Hallia
7. John Snow - I had forgotten he was here. 
8. Darthe
9. Zander/Cass
10. Pral - I can't even remember when he posted... and I don't care enough to go back and find it. 
11. Hellian
12. Believer - Don't really know how to take him. He was very..... carefree last game but I don't think that's his normal game. I think he had a IDC attitude because he could be mod cleared at any time. He has been very absent from thread, but he did explain and I"m willing to give more time. 
13. Ironeyes
14. Shad

 

Everyone else I think I covered in the other one. 

[Shad_]

Hey Shad I forgot already, did I answer your questions regarding my read list? I know I wanted to but I don't remember if I actually did

 

You didn't, but you'd said enough that I was content to move on.

 

If you want to though be my guest.

[Ironeyes]

 

Hey Shad I forgot already, did I answer your questions regarding my read list? I know I wanted to but I don't remember if I actually did

You didn't, but you'd said enough that I was content to move on.

 

If you want to though be my guest.

I'll still do it but not till after my next class. I bet the tab is still open on my laptop...

putting out as much as I can about my opinions helps everyone by giving them more to base their reads on. Just like you said in your response to me on the previous page

[Wildfire Sedai]

Ok, I have younglings to cook dinner for. BBL

 

I at first misread this as: Ok, I have younglings to cook for dinner.  BBL

 

 

 

Char claiming this early is disgusting.

 

my first thought on seeing this was that snow was spewing halli pulled a strong character so thats gonna make her harder to mislynch

 

my second is thats hallia. Deal with it.

 

For me  that claim almost locks her in blue  will take something big for me to lynch there

Char claiming this early is disgusting.

 

 

I thought the same thing irt to Hallia.

 

but the maf being provided fake char AND role claims has me alarmed some still.

 

 

I totally suck at reading Hallia.  Keeping this foremost in mind regarding her.

 

 

 

 

why? reasons zander. actual reasons

 

I thought that was self explanatory.

 

I dont see Scum!Shad pulling a b@tch move like that.

 

I can see a frustrated Town!Shad doing it tho.

 

 

thats what I thought  one little ate blowup and u are off.

 

thats stupid Zander

 

 

its not even the AtE as it is the self vote itself.

 

im pretty sure i recall a chat with Shad before about self voting and how awful it is.

 

its ok because i do stupid zander things all the time.

 

 

I erased some earlier quotes with the self-vote in it cause it was all repeating.  However, I can totally see wolf:shad doing this. Part of his ploy: claiming mafia, saying he's gonna NK zander now this???  or is he trying to get lynched....Jester maybe??  Any ideas from other players why someone would WANT to look wolfy?  

 

 

 

wrong

 

i voted you for that then ive been catching up and evaluating while putting these posts up

 

im not moving my vbote simply cause you went all fake ate. You wanna do that? you wanna vote ureself cause people are sus of you in a game where you have to be sus of pretty much everyone if ure town?  then im more then happy to put you out of your misery and take you out of the game.

 

 

that ATE blast says NOTHING for your alignment. Its the easiest thing to do as scum. Thats why its styupid for Zander to instantly unvote for it.

 

 

so no im NOT tunnelling you for claiming mafia on page 2, tho i will say that, particualrly for you Mr Spreadsheet, that if ure stupid enuff to claim mafia in a game im in then you should be expecting me to go you for it,  I am staying on you for that little blow up

 

This feels a little more like Town!Dice imo.

It certainly fits with how he was in Demons Cove. 

 

Lol I feel like I mention that every other post now, but it's the only game I've played all the way through since I came back

 

 

This kind of reinforces what I was thinking when I read that.  Keeping this in mind!

 

 

 

[v]Shad[/v]

 

I will not address any further idiotic suspicion on my slot.  I"m going to state my reads and you can all piss off.

See, Hellion, for the record this is something I policy lynch.

In my view (and I can explain why if you want) self voting is never a pro town move.

That isn't to say that townies don't do it because I'm sure we've all seen it before but as a tactic it is never advantageous for a town player to do this and, imo, it needs to be answered with a policy lynch to discourage others from doing it in the future for whatever reason.

 

 

If anyone needs further justification to vote Shad let me throw this out there for you, this is either a gross attempt at AtE or game throwing if Shad is Town.

Take your pick but either way he needs to be lynched at the end of this day as far as I'm concerned.

 

 

I hope this is what I think it is,

 

 

Okay.  So I can tell nolder is upset with shad for the self-vote.  I get it. He doesn't like AtE or self-votes.  PERIOD.  I may not TOTALLY agree with it, I get highly emotional at times myself, but I get where he's coming from.  However, what I don't get is zander's response:  @zander: what do you think it is???   

 

 

 

 

 

 

I might just give up.  This village is pretty hopeless.

 

 

[v]Shad[/v]

 

I will not address any further idiotic suspicion on my slot.  I"m going to state my reads and you can all piss off.

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Hellian [/v]

 

I'll admit to reading backwards, but I see no case here.  If this is supposed to be an OMGUS, then you didn't read that I did not think my vote on you had counted because I hadn't followed protocol. 

 

 

Its 100% not OMGUS

 

I know you mentioned your vote.  Im the one who told you how to properly do it and that your vote likely didnt count.

 

Well, when you lay out your case so clearly like that, how could I possibly defend myself?

 

 

You could I dunno I suppose read the thread and address questions and concern addressed to you?

 

 

Okay, I'm totally blown away here.  I like read this 2 hours ago so don't remember the content.  However, @shad: I don't suppose you would want to post a page # for me to give me an idea at least of where to look Please

 

First, did Ironeyes say that myself and John could be on a team?  Literally makes no sense.

 

wrong

 

i voted you for that then ive been catching up and evaluating while putting these posts up

 

im not moving my vbote simply cause you went all fake ate. You wanna do that? you wanna vote ureself cause people are sus of you in a game where you have to be sus of pretty much everyone if ure town?  then im more then happy to put you out of your misery and take you out of the game.

 

 

that ATE blast says NOTHING for your alignment. Its the easiest thing to do as scum. Thats why its styupid for Zander to instantly unvote for it.

 

 

so no im NOT tunnelling you for claiming mafia on page 2, tho i will say that, particualrly for you Mr Spreadsheet, that if ure stupid enuff to claim mafia in a game im in then you should be expecting me to go you for it,  I am staying on you for that little blow up

 

I do NOT see that coming from scumDice

 

I'm out for tonight.  Will check back tomorrow. 

 

For now [v]vote Zaner[/v]

 

And yes that is pure OMGUS. 

OMGSUS is never pretty.

 

Now I seem to remember a game, one of my more recent ones too, where I said a vote was total OMGUS and everyone said that was the wolfiest thing I could have said.  Here Hellian does it and its taken in stride.  Yes Hallia says its never pretty, but she doesn't go out of her way to say it's wolfy either.  Where if I had posted that and said it was OMGUS she would have been all over me?  What's the difference?  unless Hallia and Hellian are teammates? Maybe? possibly?

[Zander?]

 

TBH, Clovr, I'd vote you. Niniel and Wifi are pinging me extremely faintly for posting once or twice and vanishing again, but your rush to put the pressure on and move the game immediately from "day one lighthearted" to serious whispers scum trying to earn some early towncred by appearing proactive. But even though you're technically on top of my suspect list I don't want to place a serious vote until later, when I have more info.

 

ugh you might just be another wolfy villager

 

 

Ive been reading through this and Ive another post I quoted in here that kinda makes me wonder.

 

Whats is your actually read on Iron.

 

If youve answered this already please disregard.

 

Zass

Hallia

Nol

 

Wifi

Iron

 

Uh...Netflix is distracting. 

 

This was the big reads list you were working on for all of us???

 

Weak.

 

Any reasons for anything?

 

 

@ Tiink

 

Youre on a very short leash.....

 

Also if Day phase increases, you die instantly.

 

Come again?

 

 

 

 

Char claiming this early is disgusting.

You are not going to solve the game by character claiming. Since the scum have safe claims.

 

Roles are usually based on characters tho

 

I'm not sure in this game. Mine don't seem to do with each other at all. Could be that I'm just missing the connection cause it's been so long since I read the books. 

 

Also I agree that char/role claiming isn't gonna do much. 

 

 

Yay for soft PR claims. 

 

 

My part was a reference to a past game.

 

You're going to be a hard read.  I didn't walk away from that with any real clear sense of what to look for.

 

Dunno how much of that is me being tired but you're definitely the sort of guy who is going to naturally ping me until I get the hang of you.

 

This was the other post I was talking about at the first.

 

 

 

 

 

[v]Shad[/v]

 

I will not address any further idiotic suspicion on my slot.  I"m going to state my reads and you can all piss off.

See, Hellion, for the record this is something I policy lynch.

In my view (and I can explain why if you want) self voting is never a pro town move.

That isn't to say that townies don't do it because I'm sure we've all seen it before but as a tactic it is never advantageous for a town player to do this and, imo, it needs to be answered with a policy lynch to discourage others from doing it in the future for whatever reason.

 

 

If anyone needs further justification to vote Shad let me throw this out there for you, this is either a gross attempt at AtE or game throwing if Shad is Town.

Take your pick but either way he needs to be lynched at the end of this day as far as I'm concerned.

 

 

I hope this is what I think it is,

 

 

 

I think I'm going to take notes this game.

 

Can you answer the above so I can take mine>

 

What's with people in this game claiming to ask questions yet nary a question mark can be seen.

 

What is it you're asking exactly?

 

\

Dude really???

 

You make this big spiel about policy lynching self voters when you yourself have done this in a game where I was tunneling you and you were Town.

 

So youll have to understand my skepticism of your post here,

[Zander?]

Honestly after reading that the things that bother me most are your "I probably don't need to explain myself here." irt calling Zander a villager and your "I dunno." irt labeling Believer a wolf lean. You were fairly descriptive in that game about the players you did have reads on, whether I agree with them or not, and never minded having a big null pile.

 

Calling us a villager this game is just a safe move for the Wolves because were pretty obv Villa;s

 

I think sometimes I just get used to seeing it sometimes while Im in the zone and tend to focus primarily on those that dont have me Town...lol

 

Will be looking for his follow up to this question for sure.

 

...Snow didn't really post much of anything.

 

What is your read on John?

 

VILLAGERS BE VILLAGERY

 

Ive said this to myself sooooooo many times this game.

 

Please note that hydra postcap is extended due to Day 1 being longer than normal

 

<3 <3 <3

 

I will try to be good ma'am

 

 

Da freak? Believer hasn't unvoted? Dude, it's WAY past time to leave a joke vote there. I need to move him down the list.

Why do you assume it's a joke vote?

 

Why do you think it's past time?

This is not a majority lynch game, no votes until 1 hour before deadline actually matter.

 

 

I will change my vote though, after I've caught up, unless that person improves or you do something scummy.

 

 

 

Meh, I was going to vote John Snow but now I kind of like Ironeyes again.

 

Bothers me slightly that I'm voting with John though, meh.

 

 

Consider me engaged, anyone here to talk to?

 

Believer if youre a villager its time to show it man.

 

If it wasnt a joke explain why you did it when you did and if you dont plan on or wanna move it explain that too.

 

How about some reads and stuff.

 

The time to start forming a solid Town Core is now!!!

 

 

wrong

 

i voted you for that then ive been catching up and evaluating while putting these posts up

 

im not moving my vbote simply cause you went all fake ate. You wanna do that? you wanna vote ureself cause people are sus of you in a game where you have to be sus of pretty much everyone if ure town?  then im more then happy to put you out of your misery and take you out of the game.

 

 

that ATE blast says NOTHING for your alignment. Its the easiest thing to do as scum. Thats why its styupid for Zander to instantly unvote for it.

 

 

so no im NOT tunnelling you for claiming mafia on page 2, tho i will say that, particualrly for you Mr Spreadsheet, that if ure stupid enuff to claim mafia in a game im in then you should be expecting me to go you for it,  I am staying on you for that little blow up

Mate, I feel you, but he voted himself and then unvoted the post after. It was clearly a joke and he wasn't going to dick himself cause he's frustrated. I can recall it happening twice on the site (Sili, and I think I remember someone else, though could've been a while ago) and both times the player was town. I get you're annoyed but this just reads like "I'm annoyed, I'm voting him" rather than "He's scum".

 

 

I mean the self vote is a type of thing Scum!Dice could easily jump all over.

 

And I felt really good about that post.

 

Till I looked back at the game where Dice and AJ were Scum together and Dice made that "kinda pissed/snarky" post about AJ and my view on Dice is wavering much more.

 

 

I feel I've stuck up for Shad a decent amount this game and I don't like it. But he's been one of the main contributors to the game and it seems like a lot of nitpicking. I really hope I'm not wrong.

 

You remember that time where I said if Shad's a Wolf you prolly are too....

[Cass]

/snip

Basically these reminded me of things you said at the start of WoW that I found reaching at first but towny after talking to Pizza, and it was right that time and I rolled with it.  It's your natural inclination to immediately start looking for things that seem off, and while those posts are rofly easy to fake, it's not as likely to be on a wolf's mind to bother doing it that early in the game in the first place.  Even if you did think of it, you would probably go 'these accusations are really silly' or something and hesitate to draw negative attention.  Basically I thought if you were a wolf you were very accurately mimicking something you do as town that no one in this game would necessarily remember and that could do you more harm than good.  Hence very early town lean.

 

Weak sauce? It was page 4. I was getting things started and I'm pretty confident at this point that it was a good read. 

 

 

It was :D Now I just need to figure out if you're GOAT or if it was TMI and you read us that way because you knew you'd have to.

Which is what I was trying to do here, and that tbh I'm sure TownShad sees that/treats me the same as Zander and I'm not sure why he blows up and AtEs over it. This could mostly me being over-sensitive but I'll post it here because if I don't it's bugged me and even if it's not optimal villaging, it's how I roll.

 

 

Why explain your read of me, but AtE when I asked you for the same sort of explanation of your read on Zander? Stands out, especially since you were more confident in your read of him.

 

 

 

Shad, can your Town read of us?

 

Yeah.  I'm not as confident on my ability to read you as you tend to think.  I've never played against you when you were a wolf and I don't know what exactly your ticks are, but I can say that if you are a wolf you fake your early game paranoia well, and that's a reason to think you're town.  That was my light green yesterday.

 

Zander's always easy.  It's not the fact that he's tunneling me already.  That's such a well-established characteristic of his town game at this point that he's practically guaranteed to do it as a wolf sooner or later.  It's the way in which he's approaching me, and others.  There's a rational progression to how his concerns arise.  Scum!Zander will grab at random crap that does not reflect a coherent thought process or else remain hopelessly vague.

 

Still too early to rule out a really solid wolf start, but I'm pretty sure I'm right on your slot.  If I'm wrong it will show soon enough.

My issue with it is you made the read earlier and with less consideration than I've seen you do previously I can't yet believe in your progression.

 

Which specific posts of Z's showed you he was approaching you and others in a way that was indicative of him as Town?

 

I'm hydra'd with him and don't see it by the time you posted our names in green.

 

Also, the way you just described figuring me out here is kind of butt about face compared to the way you've done it in every game to date.

 

 

 

Zander is easy, but how was he easy for you there?? The rhetoric doesn't show consideration for how he'd been in this particular game up until the point you put us green, imo.

 

I can let go of the butt-about-face thing, those dots connect.

 

Last bit of tinfoil wrt this is you say you're not confident - Why mention this? Putting us in green that saying in the same post 'I'm pretty sure I'm right on your slot'

 

, suggests the opposite.

 

These are all the Zander posts to the point you greened us. I don't see anything here that WolfZander doesn't do/anything that pushes Zander towards Town.

The fact you AtE'd massively when I pushed for specifics bothers me as much as it seems to bother Dice.

 

 

 

KISS MY ZASS IS TOWN!!!!!!!

 

 

LETS DO THIS!!!!!!!

 

 

 

First town

 

Wolfy af

 

 

 

 

Hey Zander

 

Hey Shad

 

 

 

 

You wolfin?

 

No brah Im Town.

 

You?

 

 

 

Nah I'm town.

 

Cool.  1 down 12 to go.

 

 

 

If you have any questions about your role please PM me <3

 

I only needed to understand 1 word.... TOWN

 

 

 

 

Wolfy, trusting soul reads when you could just ask her in hydra QT

 

This soul read im willing to ride with.

 

Almost feels like you know her alignment, to me.  A little TMI maybe there Zander?

 

I cant lie this is true.

 

 

 

 

Now I know you're lying cause mine is red and says "MAFIA".

 

YOU ARE NOT CALDER!!!!!

 

 

 

My best kept secret.

 

Creepy imo

 

 

-Split for quote limit-

 

 

Shad, can your Town read of us?

 

Yeah.  I'm not as confident on my ability to read you as you tend to think.  I've never played against you when you were a wolf and I don't know what exactly your ticks are, but I can say that if you are a wolf you fake your early game paranoia well, and that's a reason to think you're town.  That was my light green yesterday.

 

Zander's always easy.  It's not the fact that he's tunneling me already.  That's such a well-established characteristic of his town game at this point that he's practically guaranteed to do it as a wolf sooner or later.  It's the way in which he's approaching me, and others.  There's a rational progression to how his concerns arise.  Scum!Zander will grab at random crap that does not reflect a coherent thought process or else remain hopelessly vague.

 

Still too early to rule out a really solid wolf start, but I'm pretty sure I'm right on your slot.  If I'm wrong it will show soon enough.

My issue with it is you made the read earlier and with less consideration than I've seen you do previously I can't yet believe in your progression.

 

Which specific posts of Z's showed you he was approaching you and others in a way that was indicative of him as Town?

 

I'm hydra'd with him and don't see it by the time you posted our names in green.

 

Also, the way you just described figuring me out here is kind of butt about face compared to the way you've done it in every game to date.

 

 

 

[Zander?]

 

anyone having problems multiquoting? every time i do it it replies

 

 

 

@Hellian   Zander is right  im talking about the timing of ure response

Random luck of when I saw the PM and said wtf game started.

 

 

I mean i wasnt expecting a different response but meh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I might just give up.  This village is pretty hopeless.

 

 

[v]Shad[/v]

 

I will not address any further idiotic suspicion on my slot.  I"m going to state my reads and you can all piss off.

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Hellian [/v]

I'll admit to reading backwards, but I see no case here.  If this is supposed to be an OMGUS, then you didn't read that I did not think my vote on you had counted because I hadn't followed protocol.

 

Its 100% not OMGUS

 

I know you mentioned your vote.  Im the one who told you how to properly do it and that your vote likely didnt count.

Well, when you lay out your case so clearly like that, how could I possibly defend myself?

 

You could I dunno I suppose read the thread and address questions and concern addressed to you?

I could if you didn't spam up the thread.  Again, something that pings my scumdar about you, but I chalk it up to too much time on your hands.  TBH, much of the past 20 pages has been LOLing at eachother and talking about past games.  If there was a question in there I more than likely missed it.  So I'll be online for about 10 more minutes.  Ask, and I will answer.

 

This sounds like a you problem.

 

 

I'm out for tonight.  Will check back tomorrow. 

 

For now [v]vote Zaner[/v]

 

And yes that is pure OMGUS.

 

lololololol

 

 

First, did Ironeyes say that myself and John could be on a team?  Literally makes no sense.

 

wrong

 

i voted you for that then ive been catching up and evaluating while putting these posts up

 

im not moving my vbote simply cause you went all fake ate. You wanna do that? you wanna vote ureself cause people are sus of you in a game where you have to be sus of pretty much everyone if ure town?  then im more then happy to put you out of your misery and take you out of the game.

 

 

that ATE blast says NOTHING for your alignment. Its the easiest thing to do as scum. Thats why its styupid for Zander to instantly unvote for it.

 

 

so no im NOT tunnelling you for claiming mafia on page 2, tho i will say that, particualrly for you Mr Spreadsheet, that if ure stupid enuff to claim mafia in a game im in then you should be expecting me to go you for it,  I am staying on you for that little blow up

 

I do NOT see that coming from scumDice

 

I'm out for tonight.  Will check back tomorrow. 

 

For now [v]vote Zaner[/v]

 

And yes that is pure OMGUS.

OMGSUS is never pretty.

 

Can you elaborate please on the bold??

 

 

 

 

Char claiming this early is disgusting.

 

my first thought on seeing this was that snow was spewing halli pulled a strong character so thats gonna make her harder to mislynch

 

my second is thats hallia. Deal with it.

 

For me  that claim almost locks her in blue  will take something big for me to lynch there

Char claiming this early is disgusting.

 

I said it was disgusting. I think it's antitown. Claiming doc day 1 is always bad for town. 

 

It's not scummy, just bad play. 

 

-snip-

John Snow: Pops in, votes me for lame/unexplained reasons, disappears. Pingy for sure, and like I said before this reminds me of Scum!Clovdyx in the beginning of Demons Cove. He directed all of the attention toward me right from the start and not only gained towncred for it, but was able to keep the heat off of his lurky teammates. They won that game in part because of his calculated risk there.

 

 

A) I gave a reason. 

 

B) I said I would be sparse for 12 hours (aka until about now)

 

C) I'm not Clov

 

Also, Zass is 26 posts from cap lmao. It's been barely 24 hours.

 

You keep talking about the cap and not much else.

 

FYI- (therers no real cap)

 

You cant hide from me.

The bold you keep referring to is a post from Hallia. Are you deliberately trying to confuse us?

 

 

Nope I was deliberately doing a MQ and asking Hallia a question.

 

Attempt to throw shade noted tho.

 

 

 

 

Alright. As a villager, it's my job to find other villagers and wolves. When a player is willing to share their thoughts and engage the game and maintain a dialogue with me, I talk to them and try to figure them out. When a player is closed and resistant and refuses to communicate, it's my job to beat a read out of them. I could choose to get frustrated with Nolder's refusal to talk to me and just OMGUS vote him out of annoyance, similar to his method of lynching players based on policy rather than read, or I could accept that he's not going to freely offer information and just drop him into my null pile and eventually lynch him by POE, or I can dig into him and provoke him and force him to react to me so that I can actually generate something to read him by and improve my chances of winning a game.

 

As a wolf, it's my job to look like I'm a villager.

 

The things you are taking as defensive here are the exact opposite.  They're aggressive and confrontational.  (and extremely unrelated to my comments at Cass that you'd pulled into the mix)  You think that it's out of place for me to resolve on a town read, but if you're a villager it's because you fail to grasp what I'm doing in the first place.  If I wanted to fight for the sake of fighting with a predetermined conclusion that I'm going to call whoever I'm talking to the bad guy, I would go hang out in the debate forum or watch Fox News or something.  I'm interested in people's alignments.

 

AIDS

[Believer]

 

 

Believer, you've been extremely disengaged so far.

 

What's up with that?

I wouldn't say "extremely".

 

Coupled with RL things and my general dislike of D1 shenanigans, I'd say that my level of participation has been quite normal.

 

 

Expect me to be fully present from D2 forward.

 

 

Thoughts and leans on anyone besides Ironeyes/John Snow?

 

 

 

 

 

Believer, you've been extremely disengaged so far.

 

What's up with that?

I wouldn't say "extremely".

 

Coupled with RL things and my general dislike of D1 shenanigans, I'd say that my level of participation has been quite normal.

 

Expect me to be fully present from D2 forward.

 

These were all your read-related posts that I could find:

 

 

 

Hey all, innocent child reporting in.

 

[v]Ironeyes[/v]

 

Da freak? Believer hasn't unvoted? Dude, it's WAY past time to leave a joke vote there. I need to move him down the list.

Why do you assume it's a joke vote?

 

Why do you think it's past time?

This is not a majority lynch game, no votes until 1 hour before deadline actually matter.

 

 

I will change my vote though, after I've caught up, unless that person improves or you do something scummy.

 

Meh, I was going to vote John Snow but now I kind of like Ironeyes again.

 

Bothers me slightly that I'm voting with John though, meh.

 

 

Consider me engaged, anyone here to talk to?

Meh.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]John Snow[/v]

 

Not trying to be confrontational but why?

I assume you're talking to me.

 

I don't like his opening.

 

 

 

Meh. Maybe your IC game set a standard that you're going to have a hard time living down, but you were more engaged early in Star Fox even if it paled to Disney.

 

I suppose there's only 14 players here though.

 

I guess that having seen what you're capable of as a villager I have fairly high expectations, but it also tells me you're not going to just be frozen as a wolf. You're a player who knows what he's doing.

 

I certainly haven't seen anything to make me want to lynch you today, was hoping to have a decent read on you early though.

 

 

Mind-meld on the bold wrt Believer.

 

 

Answering in order.

 

#1. Shad and Zander are town, Zander is lock and Shad is strong lean. Rest meh.

 

#2. Both Disney and Star Fox were highly unusual for me, in different respects.

In Disney I got a role that demanded the play style I gave it, I didn't really have a choice.

In Star Fox I was extremely giddy to be playing in an ATPG game again, as it had been 5~ years since I last played in a game from my favourite host.

[Cass]

Sorry, spoiler fail plus just lost quotes. 

Basically - Why so confident in Zander at that point/what posts of his pushed him above null?

[Zander?]

 

Believer, you've been extremely disengaged so far.

 

What's up with that?

I wouldn't say "extremely".

 

Coupled with RL things and my general dislike of D1 shenanigans, I'd say that my level of participation has been quite normal.

 

 

Expect me to be fully present from D2 forward.

 

 

 

*nodnod*  I see that, Bee.

 

What do you see Hallia?

 

 

im taking a break  im now annoyed 

 

Dice, what exactly annoyed you enough to leave?

 

Doesn't seem to gel with a) being sure Shad is wolfy enough to keep your vote or b) Zander doing Zander things and I don't see anything else. 

 

Since when do you up and leave over either of those?

 

 

CassGOAT <3 <3 <3

 

@Shad

 

I can't promise glory, but I can promise entertainment. It'll be amusing to play with me.

 

That's a faith-based guarantee.

 

 

Hydra "cap" was lifted to 300 posts and an earlier "lift"

 

Please note this is not in the game rules, it is a (strong) suggestion and something I'm monitoring :)

 

 

<3 <3 <3

[Cass]

 

 

 

 

 

Running the thread is classic scum play. Easy to hide behind false content.With that said, it's only day 1, so I'm still watching player interactions.Why do you call scum wolves?

So what are your thoughts on me?

Still waiting on an answer to this.

You don't have a job?

Zander and I were both dominating the opening phase of the game. You could have argued that either of us were trying to "run the thread".She should have some sort of opinion on my slot at that point, if she's ready to drop a serious vote on Zander for this reason.Can't beat an answer out of her all day.Wolf who thinks its safe to blow off a player she perceives as lynch bait, or just a really apathetic villager?

Actually while you both have high post counts, I see more content in your posts than spam. ATM I am reading you as hyperactive townie.

 

 

And yet - 

 

 

 

[v]Shad[/v]

 

I will not address any further idiotic suspicion on my slot.  I"m going to state my reads and you can all piss off.

See, Hellion, for the record this is something I policy lynch.

In my view (and I can explain why if you want) self voting is never a pro town move.

That isn't to say that townies don't do it because I'm sure we've all seen it before but as a tactic it is never advantageous for a town player to do this and, imo, it needs to be answered with a policy lynch to discourage others from doing it in the future for whatever reason.

 

 

If anyone needs further justification to vote Shad let me throw this out there for you, this is either a gross attempt at AtE or game throwing if Shad is Town.

Take your pick but either way he needs to be lynched at the end of this day as far as I'm concerned.

 

Agreed.  I have seen it as a mod-killable offense.  On day-1 without any heat it's a bit lame.   If you are going to self-vote, you should at least tell everyone to go eat a bag of d**** first.

 

 

This seems strange progression. If you agreed why didn't you vote?

[Believer]

Sorry, spoiler fail plus just lost quotes. 

Basically - Why so confident in Zander at that point/what posts of his pushed him above null?

The entire thread, he's been the exact same to last game.

[Zander?]

 

Don't you find it odd that he accuses me of ignoring questions that are referencing another player?

I don't because I know him.

 

 

This is Zander.

 

It might literally be Zander and not just a metaphor.

 

He's going to misread things and overreact because he's flying through the game at a mile a minute, but if you engage him directly and talk him through it town!Zander will recognize he misread something if he did and continually readjust. He might still tunnel you to oblivion, but he'll have reasons that make sense in his head.

 

Scum!Zander can replicate the outward appearance of his paranoia and tunnel vision, but if you take him to task on it you'll see it's a facade. He'll overplay the dumb card and pretend to not understand you. He'll ignore points that conflict with his argument. He'll raise new issues that contradict his original stated concerns.  I'm not seeing any of it.  But he's easiest to communicate with one on one in real time, where you can directly convey your points to him.  In his catch-ups he's too distracted worrying about 12 other people.

 

 

Prolly one of the most accurate posts about me Ive seen.

 

Shad does read me VERY WELL.

 

My concern here is that tho Shad does read me very well as Town!Shad he will still have some posts the he wavers a bit on.  And he posts them so you can see him working through the read.  Even after hes stated hes very sure on me.  And a Town read D1 is common place from Shad on me, it still takes a little bit for it to come.

 

Look at Overwatch for an example.

 

Here he's just like he's Town and thats it.

 

I mean ive seen ShadGOAT before but this feels different to me.

 

Couple that with a few other things and its very unsettling.

 

Now Shad's activity level tends to be higher as Town but I know Shad's good enough to be able to post heavy as Scum.

 

He made some really good posts and some bad ones.

 

His AtE blow up self vote tho I just have a really hard time seeing come from Scum!Shad tho.

[Zander?]

@ Wifi, a policy lynch is basically saying "if a player does x I will lynch that player regardless of their alignment".

 

It's the most anti-town thing in the universe, but some villagers love to do it.

 

Funny thing about Nolder's policy lynch self-voters stance is Nolder has a habit of self-voting. 

 

Did you catch that in my initial response to Nolder.  Ive since followed up on that during my catch-up.

 

I pretty much just policy lynch AJ if he's in the game.. it doesn't matter what he does... >.> 

 

 

I kid I kid... kinda. Though I've joked about policy lynching him in almost every game since the one that we wolfed together in.. and every game I didn't.. and every game he was scum lololololol

 

 

Ok so as far as reads. I'm not gonna quote the whole list, so if I leave someone off they're Null, cause I"m lazy and busy. 

 

 

Zass (Zander/Cass) - It's hard for me to imagine Zander as anything but town from his play so far. Of course that could just be because I wanna sheep him *shrugs* 

 

Hallia - I want to see more from. She does seem towny from what she's posted, but I know from experience she's good at appearing towny d1 as scum. So Town lean but that's about it. 

 

WIfi - seems her usual self. This is reassuring after the last game she came in and at first didn't know how to act, which for me was a bigger give away than most took it as. Most likely she's town here. Though the last game could have just taught her how to fake it better lol 

 

And it goes downhill from here lol. 

 

Darthe I'm just not sure about. I always have a hard time reading him though, mostly I think because he's slightly..... abrasive? That word will work.. *shrugs* 

 

Shad - Seems slightly defensive, but I've seen him do that as town so idk. It'd be an easy thing to do as scum to though so he's mostly null. 

 

Nolder - meh. He came in seemed to pick a bit of a fight and then said he was gonna put someone on ignore and I haven't seen a lot more out of him. Maybe he accidentally put the whole thread on ignore?? lol idk. 

 

Marsh - I don't think i'll ever be able to read him on D1. Or maybe ever... Both games I've played with him he's looked fairly similar and seemed scum, but last game I know he was town so maybe i'm just reading him wrong. 

 

Hellian - I don't know. He's new so I don't know how to take him yet. I'm currently reserving judgement because I think some of his stuff that "seems" scummy could just be from him being new and not knowing people and not knowing how to take different people, but could come from scum. 

 

 

 

Who else is in this game? I just went totally blank. 

 

 

And I missed like 4 people so I pulled the list after all cause some of these people I just didn't remember was even here... Like Pral or John Snow. 

 

1. Tiinker -  He played a mean mafia game so I'm kinda hesitant to give him any kind of town lean until I feel much mo betta about him. I should have remembered he was in the game though... I blame just eating lunch and only getting about 3 hours of sleep lol

2. Nolder

3. Kat - lock town

4. Dice - seems very diceish. I'd say probably town lean. 

5. WiFi

6. Hallia

7. John Snow - I had forgotten he was here. 

8. Darthe

9. Zander/Cass

10. Pral - I can't even remember when he posted... and I don't care enough to go back and find it. 

11. Hellian

12. Believer - Don't really know how to take him. He was very..... carefree last game but I don't think that's his normal game. I think he had a IDC attitude because he could be mod cleared at any time. He has been very absent from thread, but he did explain and I"m willing to give more time. 

13. Ironeyes

14. Shad

 

Everyone else I think I covered in the other one. 

 

Kat can be a D1 villager.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

I feel I've stuck up for Shad a decent amount this game and I don't like it. But he's been one of the main contributors to the game and it seems like a lot of nitpicking. I really hope I'm not wrong.

If this is a fake wolf post its a good one, should be regarded as objectively townie

 

 

Another couple of posts that I am going to keep in mind!

 

 

 

I think I'll answer both of these together because the majority of the "defensiveness" I saw was statements of "you're wrong." 

 

Hmm. Reread pages 12-15 and Shad comes out of it looking pretty defensive. At first Nolder was looking hypocritical because he was FOSing Shad for acting without explaining himself, but refused to explain himself either. But when I asked, Nol immediately explained. Whereas Shad refused to give substantive reasoning and kept falling back to insults. This post in particular pinged me: 

 

You're freaking out because Zander's telling you I'm a wolf and you trust his ability to read me.

 

Zander's never read me correctly out the gate in any game ever.

 

I'll humor you later if I have the time, but I'm not particularly interested in defending myself at the moment.

Not interested in defending himself but spent his last like six posts on just that.

 

Finally got to looking at this.

 

The only post in that whole sequence that was remotely defensive was the first one, that I made at you, where I immediately posted again calling myself out on it.

 

You wouldn't be the first person to interpret my bluntness as defensiveness, as bewildering as that is to me.  But I need you to talk me through your thought process more here.  You pulled a post where I was responding to Cass's request that I go back through early Cass and Zander posts and pull out individual quotes that I liked.  Do you feel that my response to this is applicable to my conversation with Nolder?

 

It's easy to pull an out of context quote where I say I'm not interested in defending myself [by doing tedious work that I find unnecessary] and point to some other posts and mislabel them as defensive and say I'm contradicting myself and that's wolfy, but it's never going to catch scum > rand of the time.  Talk me through your thought process when you made this connection.

 

OK maybe I just see insults as defensiveness. It's a holdover from following politics. I read a lot of you calling Nolder things like ridiculous, which to me reads "I don't want to answer you." 

 

 

I understand you don't have to post a WoT every time someone challenges you, but for the three pages I read all I saw was "you're wrong" and no "this is why."

Show me these things.

 

 

Posts like this: 

 

 

If you are a villager and have any interest in winning this game you will answer me.

 

 

 

It's not clear to me. Could you give us a bit more detail on your reasoning?

He's laughing off Zander's concern instead of addressing it head on. Much like what he's doing with me right now.

 

He appears to be caught and doesn't know what to do.

 

 

I asked you three times to explain your point and you refused to, then told Iron I'm laughing you off instead of addressing you head on.

 

 

 

ugh

 

Nolder's probably a villager.

 

Reference massive thread derailment in Nightmare Before Christmas to see what I'm talking about.  If I get into this with him it will be a never ending cycle of him refusing to talk to me because of some imaginary slight on my end.

 

Moving on.

This one seems out of place in my response but I included it because after this I saw a pattern of trying to shut down the disagreement without resolving it. 

 

 

I gave my answer and I am confident others will come to the same conclusion I did regarding your posts.

I'm not going to get sucked into an endless debate about what you really meant.

You gave your answer to Iron afterwards. You consistently refused to answer me. You're ridiculous.

 

 

 

I'm more amused than annoyed by this, but I'm putting you on ignore for a while for the rest of the thread's sake.

 

 

 

 

Alright. As a villager, it's my job to find other villagers and wolves. When a player is willing to share their thoughts and engage the game and maintain a dialogue with me, I talk to them and try to figure them out. When a player is closed and resistant and refuses to communicate, it's my job to beat a read out of them. I could choose to get frustrated with Nolder's refusal to talk to me and just OMGUS vote him out of annoyance, similar to his method of lynching players based on policy rather than read, or I could accept that he's not going to freely offer information and just drop him into my null pile and eventually lynch him by POE, or I can dig into him and provoke him and force him to react to me so that I can actually generate something to read him by and improve my chances of winning a game.

 

As a wolf, it's my job to look like I'm a villager.

 

The things you are taking as defensive here are the exact opposite.  They're aggressive and confrontational.  (and extremely unrelated to my comments at Cass that you'd pulled into the mix)  You think that it's out of place for me to resolve on a town read, but if you're a villager it's because you fail to grasp what I'm doing in the first place.  If I wanted to fight for the sake of fighting with a predetermined conclusion that I'm going to call whoever I'm talking to the bad guy, I would go hang out in the debate forum or watch Fox News or something.  I'm interested in people's alignments.

 

@Shad: So I am going to assume that you are referring to the pink salmon [i know its your FAVORITE COLOR ] in you little WoT here?? 

 

 

 

 

Actually while you both have high post counts, I see more content in your posts than spam. ATM I am reading you as hyperactive townie.

I suppose that's fair.Zander's a villager. I have a lot of experience playing with him and a great track record reading him and I would be very very surprised if he was anything else in this game.It will help me a lot towards reading you if you spread out more and express your thoughts on the whole player base instead of just focusing on him.

Don't you find it odd that he accuses me of ignoring questions that are referencing another player?

 

 

@Hellian: I don't get this question at all?? 

 

 

 

Believer, you've been extremely disengaged so far.

 

What's up with that?

I wouldn't say "extremely".

 

Coupled with RL things and my general dislike of D1 shenanigans, I'd say that my level of participation has been quite normal.

 

Expect me to be fully present from D2 forward.

 

These were all your read-related posts that I could find:

 

 

 

Hey all, innocent child reporting in.

 

[v]Ironeyes[/v]

 

Da freak? Believer hasn't unvoted? Dude, it's WAY past time to leave a joke vote there. I need to move him down the list.

Why do you assume it's a joke vote?

 

Why do you think it's past time?

This is not a majority lynch game, no votes until 1 hour before deadline actually matter.

 

 

I will change my vote though, after I've caught up, unless that person improves or you do something scummy.

 

Meh, I was going to vote John Snow but now I kind of like Ironeyes again.

 

Bothers me slightly that I'm voting with John though, meh.

 

 

Consider me engaged, anyone here to talk to?

Meh.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]John Snow[/v]

 

Not trying to be confrontational but why?

I assume you're talking to me.

 

I don't like his opening.

 

 

 

 

Meh. Maybe your IC game set a standard that you're going to have a hard time living down, but you were more engaged early in Star Fox even if it paled to Disney.

 

I suppose there's only 14 players here though.

 

I guess that having seen what you're capable of as a villager I have fairly high expectations, but it also tells me you're not going to just be frozen as a wolf. You're a player who knows what he's doing.

 

I certainly haven't seen anything to make me want to lynch you today, was hoping to have a decent read on you early though.

 

 

This conversation is very interesting.  It is between two of the craftier players, which makes it more interesting.  >.>  <.<  anyway Just saying.

 

Oh and this is my last page.  I was supposed to have 4 pages but my 3rd page got messed up during formatting :angry: