[Basic] Disney Heroes vs. Villains Mafia C9++ Town Wins

Shad_ · August 17, 2016

I think Penny's town.

Katiora · August 17, 2016

Celeste my policy lynch isn't very serious. *sighs* but a girl can wish. Last game I had voted him and implied I was serious then he waited until Friday night when he knows I won't be there most of the time and him and pral tried to push a mislynch on me. And both were scum. *sighs*

Shad_ · August 17, 2016

God I always do early game and she's kind of mastered pocketing me for the first 24 hours or so but out of the player base I've felt the best about her so far.

Detecting interest in being here and trying to read people.

Katiora · August 17, 2016

**** that was to Cass not Celeste my bad lol

Cass · August 17, 2016

Mindmelding with Shad when I'm Town has so far proven a good sign for him.

I'm mindmelding with recent Shad (don't recall much from earlier on) in the sense that Believer sets me on edge (something about the cockiness, plus the ISO/push on Celeste being very one-sided this early even after acknowledging that what he knows of her is she seems scummy as Town and is an easy early mislynch, and being around in thread/pushing others to vote that way but not working more on others) Sili is sus but it's garbage at this point and Darooh is super null.

Going to look at Believer StarFox ISO

But, @Believer

- Why did you ISO Alette?

- Have you ISO'd anyone else?

- What do you mean by the bold below?

Shad > Rand Town usually

wtf is this???

He is one of those good town reads based on intro.

From what I've read on Shad and the limited exposure I've had to him on MU (ATPG's Star Fox game) I couldn't disagree more.

Celeste · August 17, 2016

I miiiissssss MU ISOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And bookmarkkkkkkssss!!!!!!!!

I'm not hugely bothered by Penny at this point looking at the ISO, but:

/Snip

Did you not pick up I'm a jokish rvs player before I start scum hunting? All the things you pointed out are just typical me. Also the last sentence that said "Any hunches?" is me wondering if she has any leans on town/scum.

*Crashtackles*

Where are your hunches?

Haven't really had any yet expect the Shad one. I also re-read my entire catch up to see if I have any new one's but not yet.

Can you explain the Shad one? / Link if this isn't it?

Shad > Rand Town usually

wtf is this???

He is one of those good town reads based on intro.

Whats your read on me?

I don't know Zander, i usually wait for a flip to read you

I don't read this as a direct read for this game/see anything else in ISO?

Also - Since when do you wait for a flip to read Zander/how do flips help you determine Zander's alignment?

OTOH I took these as you noting AJ scummy-ish and Sili Towny?

I should start a fan club.

I'm pretty sure the only games I have played with you are when your mafia. The nonchalant attitude is noticed...

I'm pretty sure we've played exactly one game together.

And I wasn't mafia.

But if you think I'm stressing about some meaningless votes as either alignment, then GLGL?

*chuckles* You don't remember TUS?

are you guys seriously going to vote me again for no reason -in fact before i've said anything?

btw thanks znader, i guess.

It was a joke vote and it's perfect for getting out of the blue reactions. It's helpful, and this is just a bit townie.

huh?

how's it towny...

A reaction is usually pure and genuine. I think the wording you used for the bolded, is a bit townie with the reaction.

No thoughts on me?

Are you more buddyish early on as scum?

/Snip

Did you not pick up I'm a jokish rvs player before I start scum hunting? All the things you pointed out are just typical me. Also the last sentence that said "Any hunches?" is me wondering if she has any leans on town/scum.

*Crashtackles*

Where are your hunches?

Haven't really had any yet expect the Shad one. I also re-read my entire catch up to see if I have any new one's but not yet.

Can you explain/link the Shad one? I don't see a direct read for this game in ISO?

OTOH

shad > Rand town is how I feel this game given his posts at that time and Andrej is on my watch list basically.

Shad_ · August 17, 2016

Lenlo could be a villager too.

Yay @ useless intro phase reads.

Believer · August 17, 2016

I don't know he has just been stating his scum leans boldly and based on very small things. Still on the null list.

I struggle to believe that he believes what he says. That doesn't make him a wolf. It makes him proactive.

You don't believe Believer believes what he says?

You lack faith, friend. Now vote Celeste.

Believer · August 17, 2016

Mindmelding with Shad when I'm Town has so far proven a good sign for him.

I'm mindmelding with recent Shad (don't recall much from earlier on) in the sense that Believer sets me on edge (something about the cockiness, plus the ISO/push on Celeste being very one-sided this early even after acknowledging that what he knows of her is she seems scummy as Town and is an easy early mislynch, and being around in thread/pushing others to vote that way but not working more on others) Sili is sus but it's garbage at this point and Darooh is super null.

Going to look at Believer StarFox ISO

But, @Believer

- Why did you ISO Alette?

- Have you ISO'd anyone else?

- What do you mean by the bold below?

1. Because I thought she looked scummy when I read those posts and wanted to bring it to everyones attention.

2. No, just read and re-read the thread a few times.

3a. Accidentally deleted the quote which I'm gonna respond to and I'm too lazy to redo this reply.

3b. I mean exactly what I say, I disagree wholeheartedly with the statement that Shad is a good intro read.

Celeste · August 17, 2016

I don't know he has just been stating his scum leans boldly and based on very small things. Still on the null list.

I struggle to believe that he believes what he says. That doesn't make him a wolf. It makes him proactive.

You don't believe Believer believes what he says?

You lack faith, friend. Now vote Celeste.

Because I'm being jokish at a time where everyone else was joking?! Why did you not include my other posts in your ISO?

Celeste · August 17, 2016

Mindmelding with Shad when I'm Town has so far proven a good sign for him. I'm mindmelding with recent Shad (don't recall much from earlier on) in the sense that Believer sets me on edge (something about the cockiness, plus the ISO/push on Celeste being very one-sided this early even after acknowledging that what he knows of her is she seems scummy as Town and is an easy early mislynch, and being around in thread/pushing others to vote that way but not working more on others) Sili is sus but it's garbage at this point and Darooh is super null. Going to look at Believer StarFox ISO But, @Believer- Why did you ISO Alette?- Have you ISO'd anyone else?- What do you mean by the bold below?
1. Because I thought she looked scummy when I read those posts and wanted to bring it to everyones attention.2. No, just read and re-read the thread a few times.3a. Accidentally deleted the quote which I'm gonna respond to and I'm too lazy to redo this reply.3b. I mean exactly what I say, I disagree wholeheartedly with the statement that Shad is a good intro read.

the Bolded is a super bad reason because I'm just naturally scummy in all alignments.

Darthe · August 17, 2016

Yo cass theres only room for one retard on this team and thats me so gonna need you to shape up okay?

But for real lmk your thoughts by QT plz

Darthe · August 17, 2016

Super null is sincerely my favorite spot D1

Believer · August 17, 2016

Mindmelding with Shad when I'm Town has so far proven a good sign for him. I'm mindmelding with recent Shad (don't recall much from earlier on) in the sense that Believer sets me on edge (something about the cockiness, plus the ISO/push on Celeste being very one-sided this early even after acknowledging that what he knows of her is she seems scummy as Town and is an easy early mislynch, and being around in thread/pushing others to vote that way but not working more on others) Sili is sus but it's garbage at this point and Darooh is super null. Going to look at Believer StarFox ISO But, @Believer- Why did you ISO Alette?- Have you ISO'd anyone else?- What do you mean by the bold below?
1. Because I thought she looked scummy when I read those posts and wanted to bring it to everyones attention.2. No, just read and re-read the thread a few times.3a. Accidentally deleted the quote which I'm gonna respond to and I'm too lazy to redo this reply.3b. I mean exactly what I say, I disagree wholeheartedly with the statement that Shad is a good intro read.

the Bolded is a super bad reason because I'm just naturally scummy in all alignments.

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.

Celeste · August 17, 2016

I don't know he has just been stating his scum leans boldly and based on very small things. Still on the null list.

I struggle to believe that he believes what he says. That doesn't make him a wolf. It makes him proactive.

You don't believe Believer believes what he says?

You lack faith, friend. Now vote Celeste.

Because I'm being jokish at a time where everyone else was joking?! Why did you not include my other posts in your ISO?

Believer can you answer this question

Darthe · August 17, 2016

Mindmelding with Shad when I'm Town has so far proven a good sign for him. I'm mindmelding with recent Shad (don't recall much from earlier on) in the sense that Believer sets me on edge (something about the cockiness, plus the ISO/push on Celeste being very one-sided this early even after acknowledging that what he knows of her is she seems scummy as Town and is an easy early mislynch, and being around in thread/pushing others to vote that way but not working more on others) Sili is sus but it's garbage at this point and Darooh is super null. Going to look at Believer StarFox ISO But, @Believer- Why did you ISO Alette?- Have you ISO'd anyone else?- What do you mean by the bold below?
1. Because I thought she looked scummy when I read those posts and wanted to bring it to everyones attention.2. No, just read and re-read the thread a few times.3a. Accidentally deleted the quote which I'm gonna respond to and I'm too lazy to redo this reply.3b. I mean exactly what I say, I disagree wholeheartedly with the statement that Shad is a good intro read.
the Bolded is a super bad reason because I'm just naturally scummy in all alignments.
Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.

Not again

Shad_ · August 17, 2016

You don't believe Believer believes what he says?

You lack faith, friend. Now vote Celeste.

Well, some of your points against her seemed pretty arbitrary, like derailing the thread when there was nothing to derail except some sexychat, or calling out a derp clear attempt when she claimed that she did know from the start that Zander and I were hydra. I don't have a clue where the second "derailing" comment comes from.

Other points were ok. The "ellipse instead of a period" thing is kind of Darthe-esque scum-hunting. Penny does try to pocket people pretty actively as a wolf. "I'm totally harmless" read weird to me too but it's Penny.

And generally you're expressing a level of conviction which is kind of beyond the scope of the evidence you've provided, which made me take the whole things as real/faked reaction test more than honest read.

Believer · August 17, 2016

You don't believe Believer believes what he says?

You lack faith, friend. Now vote Celeste.

And generally you're expressing a level of conviction which is kind of beyond the scope of the evidence you've provided, which made me take the whole things as real/faked reaction test more than honest read.

Your dismissal of my case based on my level of conviction is strained. Noted.

Cass · August 17, 2016

Here's the link to (Town) Believer Star Fox ISO

And current game to here

The main things standing out are:

Hangs back a lot in the beginning of the mash;

Attitude in mash initially more helpful/conversant/questioning than straight-out accusatory. Seems willing to answer questions;

Change in tone later in mash game to more flippant/aggressive, somewhat similar to here;

No post-by-post ISO commentary on any player;

Focuses suspicion on several different players at a time in mash.

TLDR:

I see some differences in tone and content but am not sure how much can be attributed to giant mash volume/re-entry to mafia environment.

The early involvement and quickly accusatory attitude here differs to the beginning of the mash, but could be more an indicator of confidence than alignment given shifts towards end of mash.

The heavy/single-minded tunnel on Celeste seems like nothing seen in the mash.

Believer · August 17, 2016

@Cass

You didn't reply directly to my case on Celeste. You state in another post that you "aren't hugely bothered".

Do you think my points invalid? What's your take?

Wildfire Sedai · August 17, 2016

Yo cass theres only room for one retard on this team and thats me so gonna need you to shape up okay?

But for real lmk your thoughts by QT plz

Did like nobody notice this?? :ohmy: I mean its like a total scum claim. :huh: [v] darsooh [/v] and I think we are past the joking phase of the game.

Cass · August 17, 2016

@Cass -

Shad establishes some sort of position and I prefer that. Zander just comes off as defensive.

And honestly, save that last half-game, the last time I played with these guys / if any was long enough ago that I've forgotten any meta reads I might have had.

Ok. Can you elaborate on why Hallia/Nyn's 'posts seem more town-aligned'? (You missed that question).

Looking at your list, the most concrete opinions seem to be Hallia/Nyn and Wildfire looking Towny to you and everything else looks like the lean is fairly null.

Wildfire has an explanatory comment, but there's nothing but snap judgment there for Hallia/Nyn.

Shad/Zander - Zander defensive and talks when it concerns him. Isn’t really pushing anyone else.

Shad - establishes some sort of position. More careful a player?

Only attachment is to Sili Quarrels and it’s a weak one.

Hallia/Nynaeve - Posts seem more town-aligned.

Sili Quirrels - Null

Katiora - Null

Cass - Can read as scum or town trying to get involved, maybe

Andrej - Logical thoughts, doesn’t really show town or scum imo. After 20 pages votes me based on joke vote. Feels bad initially but then I realised that 19 pages are players talking about subtly but not so subtly wanting to sex each other.

Believer - Don’t know anything. As much as people are saying it’s town-like to push the agenda I don’t think it’s overly telling.

Darthe/Sooh - Null

Wildfire Sedai - Don’t think she’d be as bold as scum. Her D1 seems the same as LoEG mafia.

Lenlo - Dips in and out. Hasn’t had a post about the actual game yet. Null

Celeste - Not much to it. Suppose you could read it as scum could also read as trying-to-be-involved-but-not-actually-involved town.

Dicetosser1 - Can’t really read.

Tiinker · August 17, 2016

@Cass -

Shad establishes some sort of position and I prefer that. Zander just comes off as defensive.

And honestly, save that last half-game, the last time I played with these guys / if any was long enough ago that I've forgotten any meta reads I might have had.

Ok. Can you elaborate on why Hallia/Nyn's 'posts seem more town-aligned'? (You missed that question).

Looking at your list, the most concrete opinions seem to be Hallia/Nyn and Wildfire looking Towny to you and everything else looks like the lean is fairly null.

Wildfire has an explanatory comment, but there's nothing but snap judgment there for Hallia/Nyn.

They made some non-ridiculous statements amidst the pillow talk.

Shad_ · August 17, 2016

Your dismissal of my case based on my level of conviction is strained. Noted.

Strained how so? You cut out the specifics in the quote you responded to.

Lenlo · August 17, 2016

Lenlo could be a villager too.

Yay @ useless intro phase reads.

#AlwaysTown

For Celeste, my problem is, I literally always wolf read her. She is always wolfy to me, because shes not the person to write out/explain her thoughts in a manner I find good or consistent. Alot of it with her is feels imo, which makes her perpetually wolfy to me. Problem is she does that as both alignments.

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