[Basic]Spirited Away Mafia - Game over mafia wins

[Shad_]

Operation pop in read two posts PM Sooh a game solve was um

 

really really bad this go around

[Hallia]

I think this is the first time I've ever been the last wolf alive.

[Nynaeve]

GG wolves. You killed it :D  

[Sili Quirrels]

A note on final 3's for future reference perhaps:

 

The first vote is the most crucial if you don't have a truly clear town who can instruct a cross vote and decide. A cautious town will never cast the first vote early because if they're wrong, mafia hammers and the game ends.

 

If someone does vote and the hammer doesn't fall, there's only two possibilities: they're right, or they're mafia. If you're the one being voted for you now know it's the latter. It is your duty to convince the other one, and just the fact that they voted incautiously is good evidence.

 

I don't know if Kat could've convinced Sili with that argument the last phase, but it was definitely the one to try. Sili as mafia  under those circumstances had already been proved impossible by Hallia's very action.

 

F3's are hard and stressful but they should be taken slooooooooooooooooooow always slow

 

Do everything slow and you'll win a good deal more often ;)

i know i didn't do everything i could have, but i was exhausted tbh.

 

as to hallia voting kat, it made enough sense in context.

[Regy Rusty]

It's okay Sili it's more from a theoretical perspective that I'm talking here

 

Even if you had heard Kat out I'm still not convinced she could've swayed you to Hallia

 

Hallia simply looked way more town than Kat, even I thought so when I died

[Sili Quirrels]

i almost sort of don't believe that hallia was a wolf still since this game was so very familiar tone-wise.

 

i checked to make sure there was nothing obvious as well. her reaction to the aj push was a minor blip in the scheme of things. and i knew everyone cleared her.

 

i'm a little shook but not a lot. hallia outdid her previous performances by a few zigatons.

[Sili Quirrels]

I wish I'd been more forceful when I told you guys to go to Hallia/Kat rather than Wildfire

 

Still I think you could've gotten it if you'd just been patient and let everybody talk!

 

There was no reason to speedlynch both these phases without letting your suspects argue

 

And Kat, you should never have thought it could be Sili once Hallia voted - Sili was sitting on the hammer for like an hour!

 

Anyway amazing game from the mafia, Hallia I don't think I could ever have caught outright, only by eliminating Wifi.

shrug, it is a rule of thumb for a reason. i shouldn't have been so quick to act.

 

i feel better now though.

[Sili Quirrels]

i only feel bad about that wifi lynch. i dunno if i'd have decided differently if i read all her content, but i ought to have.

[BFG]

Reggy, SiRReN please stick around and play again <3

 

(my mafia game is still shoddy, but my town game is occasionally not awful)

[BFG]

Hallia obviously GOAT <3

[Sili Quirrels]

Just reading the dead thread, and someone asked about the time limit I used for kat.

 

The 1hr time limit was sort of arbitrary, but i probably would have voted kat right away without it.

[BFG]

Woah I didn't know it was customary here to let mafia keep communicating after they die!

 

That's very powerful

It is, I think it's balanced to some extent by letting town have night chat though

[Shad_]

Honestly the minute Kat rolled in sussing you instead of Hallia when Halli's vote mechanically locked you town I thought the game was solved.  I don't think I would have ever not voted Kat at that point regardless of my lack of perspective.

 

Future note to Kat: when it's down to 3 players, the one who is neither voting nor voted is town 100% because the game would have already ended otherwise.  ;)

[Clovdyx]

Honestly the minute Kat rolled in sussing you instead of Hallia when Halli's vote mechanically locked you town I thought the game was solved. I don't think I would have ever not voted Kat at that point regardless of my lack of perspective.

 

Future note to Kat: when it's down to 3 players, the one who is neither voting nor voted is town 100% because the game would have already ended otherwise. ;)

Your point us fair, but unless the person is trying to cheap their way to a townread, thats maybe a towntell - mafia won't waste their time arguing it

[Sili Quirrels]

there's no real reason why an experienced player should be suspicious of the non-voter, but mafia have constructed narratives in play which is why you'll see more mafia act suspicious a little longer than town would.

 

that's the idea at any rate, but more often i see mafia change their minds in awkward ways.

[SiRReN]

Reggy, SiRReN please stick around and play again <3

 

(my mafia game is still shoddy, but my town game is occasionally not awful)

I'll play more games here, never fear :)

[Regy Rusty]

Reggy, SiRReN please stick around and play again <3

 

(my mafia game is still shoddy, but my town game is occasionally not awful)

 

I will keep an eye out, to be sure. However in addition to not wanting to play another game any time soon, I really am serious about not wanting to play another majority lynch game. I had some reservations about signing up for this one because of that, but I'd promised to play a game here and figured perhaps on a forum used to it it wouldn't be as unpleasant as I remembered. Unfortunately this game was basically a poster child for why I don't like playing that style of game.

 

I'm not saying it's bad - I understand the appeal in having shorter day phases if something has been firmly decided already. But for me, having to wrangle votes, trying to reel in trigger happy townies, in addition to trying to solve the game is just not something I enjoy. It is way too stressful and makes me feel upset and frustrated. Mafia is stressful enough for me as it is, so I'm not going to put myself through that again in the future.

[SiRReN]

On another note, I don't think it's right that dead mafians can still advise living ones. That's my opinion.

[Katiora]

A note on final 3's for future reference perhaps:

 

The first vote is the most crucial if you don't have a truly clear town who can instruct a cross vote and decide. A cautious town will never cast the first vote early because if they're wrong, mafia hammers and the game ends.

 

If someone does vote and the hammer doesn't fall, there's only two possibilities: they're right, or they're mafia. If you're the one being voted for you now know it's the latter. It is your duty to convince the other one, and just the fact that they voted incautiously is good evidence.

 

I don't know if Kat could've convinced Sili with that argument the last phase, but it was definitely the one to try. Sili as mafia under those circumstances had already been proved impossible by Hallia's very action.

 

F3's are hard and stressful but they should be taken slooooooooooooooooooow always slow

 

Do everything slow and you'll win a good deal more often ;)

I thought about it almost immediately after I posted, but I was so annoyed that they waited until the time of day that I'm not there EVERY DAY and then sili gave me an hour and when I just happened to goet on I had like 15 minutes just cause he didn't wanna wait. At that point it was a loss anyway.

[Regy Rusty]

I thought about it almost immediately after I posted, but I was so annoyed that they waited until the time of day that I'm not there EVERY DAY and then sili gave me an hour and when I just happened to goet on I had like 15 minutes just cause he didn't wanna wait. At that point it was a loss anyway.

Yeah I get it, he definitely did not need to be so impatient

 

TBH I feel that non-majority lynch games are a lot more friendly to players like Kat who simply don't have as much time to be present for the game and may possibly not be around when people get impatient.

[Regy Rusty]

On another note, I don't think it's right that dead mafians can still advise living ones. That's my opinion.

Ha it was quite a shock to me too

 

I have no idea whether it's something I think is actually bad or not, I have no experience whatsoever with what it does to game balance

[Hallia]

I'm with BFG with regards to it and town having nightchat.

[alannalynn]

 

Woah I didn't know it was customary here to let mafia keep communicating after they die!

 

That's very powerful

It is, I think it's balanced to some extent by letting town have night chat though

town kinda loses that benefit when night phases are rushed too, so influential townies can be knocked off before they help solve for the next day

[Regy Rusty]

 

 

Woah I didn't know it was customary here to let mafia keep communicating after they die!

 

That's very powerful

It is, I think it's balanced to some extent by letting town have night chat though

 

town kinda loses that benefit when night phases are rushed too, so influential townies can be knocked off before they help solve for the next day

 

This is for sure. Town didn't really GET night chat on many of the nights.

[Clovdyx]

Dead mafia chat is not akin to night chat IMO. Mafia communicating during the day offsets thread being open at night.