Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

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Okay, finally caught up! No email notifications, ugh

 

Anyways, thoughts:

 

So sad John left. He was my number 1 Town Read. So stronk. Hopefully Hallia follows suit (welcome!)

 

Eldrick looks town to me based on his interactions with Tsuki a while ago. Was very ready to vote Tsuki pre-claim. 

 

Speaking of claims!

 

In terms of Turin vs. Zander, I had a stronger town lean on Zander previously, but based on his actions in the QT and his subsequent attempt to defend himself, he comes across as the scummier of the two to me. If as he himself said, one of them is indeed not town, then I believe it is Zander who is scum of the two.

 

Not sure how I feel about Dice. Dice's meta doesn't ever really seem to help me one way or another. 

 

Town reads on Rey and Alanna. Null on BFG, Shad, and Niniel. After a Zander flip I'd move on to my null reads 

 

Vote Zander

First post of any substance.  Extremely consensus.  Has Eldrick perhaps a tad higher than the average opinion in thread at the time.  Laine Halli and Rey were all getting lots of town reads at the time.  Interesting that he spends a paragraph saying absolutely nothing about Dice instead of just lumping him into his Null pile.  Not sure what to make of that; I still feel like he spewed Dice town later.

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Also note that he seems to take it for granted that Tsuki's claim is true--names him but doesn't feel a need to state an opinion on him.

 

He also completely ignores Lenlo.

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Ok caught up.

 

Two things strike me the most.

 

First Dice changing from we need to resolve Turin and Zander today to moving off both of them entirely. I believe Turin is town. If Zander was to flip town I would take a hard look at Dice next (and that answers your question about that that you've asked everyone).

 

Second, nothing Zander has done has given me reason to think he's town. His insistence to discredit QT content is just plain and simply not a town stance. He's been defensive more than reasonable. Finally I just don't understand him moving off Turin, regardless if it's to me or not. I don't buy that he's doing it because he doesn't see a Turin lynch happening when most of the rest of the game is trying to resolve their roles and alignment. How he doesn't see Turin as a viable lynch is beyond me, and especially if he is so adamant that he is scum, with extra information to go on based on a QT as well. That he attempts to start a new train entirely when his reasoning is that the Turin lynch won't happen and he ll do anything to stay alive doesn't make sense either. Then you'd think he'd have placed his vote on the second largest train, assuming he is a townie who would rather risk anyone else dying but himself. So to me he isn't doing what would make the most sense to save himself, when IIRC that was his reasoning for moving off Turin.

 

Lenlo has been posting well and I agree with most of what he's said. He's solid town for me right now. Dice is still null but definite scum lean for his stepping out of the Turin Zander voting. Hallia's posts don't look out of place and I had John as my strongest town read. Townie vibes for eldrick and shad. One thing I'm not following is the case on Rey. I'd like to see some new stuff from him but liked his past posts. I guess I had a really good feel about the tone of his posts but perhaps that in itself isn't enough at this point. That being said I'm not one to comment on contributing at this point.

 

Then this post.  Thinks if Zander flips town we should lynch Dice next because scum would avoid a v/v battle and let town tear itself apart.  He recognizes at the same time that Dice initially wanted to lynch between those two.  I asked him to explain how that made any sense in context; Dice wasn't keeping out of the fight at all.  He dove right into it at first and changed his mind later.  RTE played dumb to my question and basically repeated himself without acknowledging the conflict.

 

Might spew both Dice and Turin town actually.  At least, I think that if Dice is town Turin has to be too, because if this was a prep for a mislynch the starting premise assumes Zander/Turin v/v.

 

Lenlo is solid town.  I would have expected RTE to place him null for consistency's sake since he seemed to 'forget' him before.  He defends Rey and bumps me up to his villa pile.

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I guess. But I feel that was rather early on in the life of this game. So i could accept that he was trying to get things going. Haven't seen anything I'd paint as scummy from him thus far.

 

continues to defend Rey

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I think he handled some early posts towards himself quite well and just has had a very level tone in all his posts, which is nice. Doesn't make him LOCK CLEAR or anything but he's not in my POE either.

 

Fill disclosure I can never remember what POE actually stands for but I'm fairly certain I'm still using it as intended

 

Defends Rey again.  Neither of these are in response to direct questions.

[Niniel]

I´m here but won´t be very active. I got migraine yesterday and I couldn´t sleep most of the night. I´m feeling better today but I´m not totally present. 

 

I´m happy that he was mafia (or at least not town) but I don´t know what to do with that flip. When I skimmed RTE´s posts that BFG re-posted I didn´t know what to look for. If he knew who was mafia how would he try to signal? Put them as town or mafia or null? It has been a long time since I played with a symp and I´m not sure if I have ever been one. I know that I have been in the mafia qt and asked any symps for a word sign. Like "if we have a symp please post a pic of X" or things like that. But how do you look for that? I don´t know. 

 

It seems that a lot of you thinks Rey´s claim makes him town. I will take a look at your arguments when I can think better. When day starts I will iso Shad and BFG. 

 

About claims. It´s natural to unvote people that claim doc or cop etc but I have learned well (ask Verb and Yates) to never trust a claim completely. We don´t even know if this game has those roles that has been claimed. 

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Dice this reasoning still feels like a relatively weak attempt to avoid voting one way or another on Turin and Zander. At least that's all I'm really taking away from this.

 

Continues to push Dice.

 

It would be easily be the best move for scum!anyone IMO

Avoids answering my question.

 

 

@Hally You never answered me. Why did you say Rey's lynch isn't happening today?

 

@Turin If you are right about Zander being scum, who do you think his teammates are?

 

@Everyone If Zander flips town, what does this say about Turin? Is he scum for pushing this on Zander?

 

No, Turin is town regardless imo.

+1

 

+1s posts by Eldrick and Lenlo that he seems to have drawn out of a hat completely at random. 

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If you want to talk consensus votes...

 

That being said, I had John very high up on my town list and as weird as this looks, I'm not ready to vote Hallia yet either. But will keep an eye on her.

 

Laine has moved up my town list. I believe Dice is Tree Stump, mostly due to the hint he dropped early on about not being able to be lynched. Unless he is another role that can't be lynched, which is possible. However, I believe one of Zander, Turin, or Dice need to be resolved today. That's why I won't move my vote, Of the three, I believe Zander is most likely to be scum. 

 

I also find it a bit hypocritical that Eldrick says he is easily swayed by others but also criticizes me in saying a lot of my posts are consensus and my votes following a train. When every day my time on the thread is largely spent catching up, that shouldn't really be a surprise. I kind of like Len's idea to let NAs resolve the Turin/Zander uncertainties but otherwise if not Zander or Dice, I'd move to one of my nulls, and I would rather stick to Zander as he's my strongest scum read.

 

Not sure what to make of this approach to Hallia and Eldrick.  Could be shading, could be distancing.

 

But I love this: I know Dice is a tree stump but damn I thought for sure I had a lynch locked down between one of those two.  Can we still lynch Zander or Dice?  ~~lulz?

 

Dice is extremely townspewed imo.  He acknowledges Dice is the stump but still encourages lynching him.

 

And by the way I challenged RTE on his inconsistency here and he avoided answering me again.  Just sayin'.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Nikon is replacing BFG

 

BFG is representing DM in the Mafia championships and has been drawn into an earlier game than expected. Good luck BFG :)

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Turin's idea that Dice may in fact be a third party is an interesting claim. If we argue that it is likely that there is at least one third party player in the game, I would put Dice in that slot at this point. However, his early breadcrumbing of not being able to die (yes, I do understand how a treestump works, I just figure he took some liberties with that comment) does give some credence to his claim. That being said he may just trying to be staying alive as a survivor, which to me also seems quite plausible. Third party would make sense with his gameplay as well (staying out of Zander Turin voting, for example).

Really grasping at straws to get Dice lynched before his own time comes, at this point. Can we just lock Dice in?

 

 

Turin

Lenlo

Alanna

Tsuki (admittedly, only because of his claim, not his content)

Eldrick

Rey

Hallia

 

BFG

Niniel

Shad

Dice

 

Zander

Final D1 read list. Lenlo still at the top with no explanation. He'd softly sussed both Eldrick and Hallia in #1160--I couldn't tell if it was distancing or shade. Here he acts on the Hallia bit to slide her down, but keeps Eldrick planted in his greens.  He also drops me down to third from the bottom after expressing "town vibes" earlier, at a point when my activity level was starting to dwindle.

 

Summary of D1 RTE spew: Dice almost certainly town spewed, looks great for Turin.  RTE acted on opportunities to slide Hallia and I down into his POE, but not Eldrick.  Lenlo rides a town read on his list for no reason all phase.  From just RTE's posts in isolation I'd say D1 looks worst for Eldrick and Lenlo.

 

I'll read his reappearance yesterday later.  Gotta go cook dinner etc.

[alannalynn]

Not sure how to react to frustrated Shad.

 

Welcome Nikon

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Welcome Nikon!

[Niniel]

Welcome Nikon!

 

Good luck BFG!

 

 

I´m not trying to descredit your work, Shad. But we can´t even be sure that he knew who mafia are. I think Dice is town anyway, but if RTE didn´t knew the mafia team then he couldn´t know Dice´s alignment either. You are assuming that he knew the mafia team (and maybe he could) but we don´t know that for sure. That is why I don´t know how I will be able to get something out of his posts at all. 

[Nikonis]

Nikon is replacing BFG

 

BFG is representing DM in the Mafia championships and has been drawn into an earlier game than expected. Good luck BFG :)

 

 

Hope to be of help in this game, at work now but will start looking back through the game thread and looking for clues as well as starting my reads list. I've followed the game for the most part, skimming some but watching in anticipation for flips, so shouldn't be too hard of a catch up (I hope) ... Plus hope to use some methods I learned in the last game I played to make things quicker and easier to keep caught up once I make it though.

 

Now, let's catch us some scum!

[BFG]

<333

 

And GLGL!

[Ithillian Turambar]

Bring it on home BFG :)

 

It is still Night 2. You have till 9pm BST Thursday April 21 to submit any night actions. If all actions are received sooner then Day may start sooner.

 

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Just over 25 hours to go.

[dicetosser1]

 

Dice this reasoning still feels like a relatively weak attempt to avoid voting one way or another on Turin and Zander. At least that's all I'm really taking away from this.

 

Continues to push Dice.

 

It would be easily be the best move for scum!anyone IMO

Avoids answering my question.

 

 

@Hally You never answered me. Why did you say Rey's lynch isn't happening today?

 

@Turin If you are right about Zander being scum, who do you think his teammates are?

 

@Everyone If Zander flips town, what does this say about Turin? Is he scum for pushing this on Zander?

 

No, Turin is town regardless imo.

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+1s posts by Eldrick and Lenlo that he seems to have drawn out of a hat completely at random. 

 

 

@ shaD   you might wanna reread this one. I read it as lenlo was responding to eldricks third q so RTE was +1ing LENLO  not eldrick here

 

for me im glad youve done this.  we have to assume rte knew his team   i think ive seen like ONE symp game where they didnt. I have also seen a recruit mechanic. W@e had to forgo our kill and  "shoot" the symp.  

[Nikonis]

Going to try and start going through the thread and gathering reads in the next hour or two.. If not, then at least start by this evening.

Before I do, I want to know a few things...

 

 

1: Does a Sympathizer mean there would be one less scum member or should we expect the same amount as a normal game? Never seen the role before and from most of your reactions seems like it is one not used too often.

 

2: Stumps... I assume the role would always be town since once they flip their opinions would be very untrustworthy if not... Is that a correct assumption?

 

 

Just hope I don't end up dead tonight before I really get a chance to get through my initial reads and can post my thoughts.

[Nikonis]

Also, in addition to the questions in my last post, one more...

 

Would the Scum team know there was a sympathizer from the get-go or is that something normally PAFO for both teams?

[dicetosser1]

Going to try and start going through the thread and gathering reads in the next hour or two.. If not, then at least start by this evening.

Before I do, I want to know a few things...

 

 

1: Does a Sympathizer mean there would be one less scum member or should we expect the same amount as a normal game? Never seen the role before and from most of your reactions seems like it is one not used too often.

 

2: Stumps... I assume the role would always be town since once they flip their opinions would be very untrustworthy if not... Is that a correct assumption?

 

 

Just hope I don't end up dead tonight before I really get a chance to get through my initial reads and can post my thoughts.

 

 

1   I have seen both. In this game  with 13 players id think theres 3 more mafia but thats just a guess.

 

2   Technically Stumps CAN be mafia according to mafia wiki  but I have never seen one on DM and i am town.

 

3   They might or might not. Depends on mechanics.  if they need to recruit him they usually know there is one because they have to take an action to get him

[Nikonis]

Always hate the first half of Day One when no one is really doing any investigations or, if they are, they're just going on happenstance.  Makes reading them for alignment clues a little harder IMO.  

 

Since Dice replied to my questions with answers that they could be either way let's hope for two scum left but, unless game ends at that point, expect three.  That means there are up to three scum left in our 11 live players. We also have four claims but seems like quite a lot of power roles so what would scum have to balance that out IF everyone who has claimed is telling the truth?

 

 

-1 LENLO (Sooh) - PAGE 6, POST 101 - Mentions Sympathizer, either coincidence or he may have known we had one...

 

RTE was the new guy I tricked in WW2, when I lied about being a Symp turned Survivor.

 

 

 

-1 DICE - PAGE 7, POST 133 - Knowing Zander's Mafia play style, I agree with the last statement though "Wolves OR Zander...", coupled with his stating that he thought Zander is town just doesn't sit right. Why lynch someone you think is town (though really too early in game to know for sure)?  Both Shad, in post 134, and Zander himself, in post 136, note feeling off about these statements as well. John also questions this in post 138.  Really too early in the game to have a "feel" for anyone since there is so little real material before this point to go off of. 

 

alright boys who we lunchin

 

i'm in charge now

 

Wolves or Zander  possibly both

 

Lynch Zander D1 for my WiM?

 

If hes a wolf im all for it. Kinda doubt he is tho

 

Vote: Zander

 

Game has to start somewhere. I don't presume to know if him mentioning "getting the wolves" constantly is alignment indicative, but I tend to think over-selling yourself as town is a scum marker.

 

So, let's see what happens, shall we?

 

I get the theory but Id suggest you set it aside in regards to Zander. He will probably call himself town like 20 times this game. No matter what his alignment.

 

 

 

+1 ZANDER - PAGE 7, POST 136 - VOTES DICE FOR REASONS I SAW ABOVE

+1 JOHN (HALLIA) - PAGE 8, POST 144 - VOTES DICE FOR REASONS I SAW ABOVE

 

-1 JOHN (HALLIA) - PAGE 8, POST 148 - No reason I can see for this, no scum reads so far from Anannalynn unless I missed something and, if so, why not back it up by quoting why he feels this way? When confronted by Zander in post 149 he replies she has only joked so far and that too was a joke but I personally didn't read it that way.

 

 

Lol I'll be making reads later once I reread these 8 pages. Just for you

 

Cool, I've already made note that you bring zero value to the town. Can't wait to see them.

 

 

 

 

+1 DICE - PAGE 8, POST 155 - Willing to give him the benefit of a joke, it is still day one (This is exactly why I hate reading people on this day) so +1 to offset the -1 earlier.

 

 

 

 

Rey describe youre town and scum game for me please.

 

Anyone who knows him please weigh in.

 

Been too long for anyone to really do this Zander

 

But as a welcome back

 

Vote Rey    been too long Rey

 

alright boys who we lunchin

 

i'm in charge now

 

Wolves or Zander  possibly both

 

Lynch Zander D1 for my WiM?

 

If hes a wolf im all for it. Kinda doubt he is tho

 

Vote: Zander

 

Game has to start somewhere. I don't presume to know if him mentioning "getting the wolves" constantly is alignment indicative, but I tend to think over-selling yourself as town is a scum marker.

 

So, let's see what happens, shall we?

 

I get the theory but Id suggest you set it aside in regards to Zander. He will probably call himself town like 20 times this game. No matter what his alignment.

 

 

 

Maybe Im reading the bold wrong, but my God it pinged me. 

 

Reads almost TMI ish maybe the word or term Im looking for.  But couple that with his opening which felt a little forced imo and his easy Town read on me when Im still WELL within my Scum range atp reads wrong to me.

 

[v] Dice [/v]

 

 

Right lets look at this shall we.

 

The bold bit pinged you right Z??  the bit where I say lunch wolves, poke fun  AS I HAVE DONE BEFORE by saying lynch you and then point out we could do both....cause you know you could be scum.  Thats TMI is it? And too jokey for you despite the fact that ive joked about lynching or killing you how many times now?

 

gimme a break.

 

 

 

 

next

 

 

 

 

@ John

 

He's claimed scum in like 85% of the games Ive played with him as BOTH alignments....lolololololol

 

CalderGOAT

 

<3

 

heh, interesting... so, tell me more about this vote you put on dice, I'm not sure I'm following your accusation in the post you quoted

 

 

He gave me a pretty easy Town read,  Dice has played a lot of games with me.  He should well know that Ive done nothing so far that I couldnt have as Scum. 

 

He threw a pretty easy read to through out there.  It reads to me like he knows Im Town but doesnt want to much work into progressing the read if that makes sense. I know Dice likes tor read Tone and is a gut read player but I feel like Dice should still be more suspicious of me atp.

 

I also tend to find jokey Dice to be scummy more often then not.  That being said I know he can be jokey as Town as well so this is more of a feel for me but when I factor in the other things he doesnt sit right with me atp.

 

 

Reading is hard right Zander?  Cause apparently you dont understand the word TEND   its not a solid word. As for the red   had I even posted between saying that and now?  How would you know whether im progressing my read or not if i havent posted?

 

 

 

To page 9 and my next quote is now giving the wrong name so guess it is time for a break.  Picking up on reads list from post 169 in a little bit.

 

 

TO THIS POINT (Just keeping track for when I pick up, not reads list until I can gather more to go on)

Turin

Eldrick
Niniel
Tsuki - CLAIMED COP
Dice - CLAIMED STUMP
Shad
Rey - CLAIMED GOV
Hallia - CLAIMED DOC
Alanna

 

-1 Sooh

 

CONFIRMED TOWN

Zander - Town Neighbor

 

CONFIRMED SCUM

RTE - Mafia Sympathiser

 

 

So far not too much to go on and want to get further in before making any decisions on my reads coupled with gut instincts after reading everything.  Will definitely try to get caught up quickly in case of a night lynch so you have something to go on though.

[Nikonis]

Are those spoiler tags not working right for anyone else?  If I can't trust the tags to work I'll just link the post instead since these read lists can get a little long.

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@ shaD   you might wanna reread this one. I read it as lenlo was responding to eldricks third q so RTE was +1ing LENLO  not eldrick here

Derp, you're right. Not sure what I misread about that the first time.

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@ Nikon if you preview your post you can see if the formatting is off before submitting

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D2 RTE doesn't have terribly much to say. Buddying up to Laine, pushing me and Hallia as his suspects, defending himself, it all reads a little half-hearted in retrospect.