Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[alannalynn]

Would look at who RTE was trying to defend. Symps jobs are to protect scum. Generally when symp roles have been used on DM, the mafia doesn't know that the symp exists so it comes down to either the symp alerting the mafia team somehow (unlikely) or just defending them on thread to protect them from a lynch. Symps may or may not have access to the QT, but they know who the scum are.

 

I've accidentally lynched one of my symps before. >_>

[alannalynn]

Ive also accidentally NK'd one of my symps before

[BFG]

There are a couple roles with a couple variants that I think are all pretty different that we see a lot and tend to share names/definitions.

I think we should try to clear up what's what.

 

Role: Player wins with the mafia but is not included in the QT.

 

Variations

• Mafia may or may not know about this player
• Mafia may or may not be able to recruit this player
• Player may or may not show as innocent to cop investigation
• Player may or may not know who the mafia is
• Player may or may not be able to continue play if the main mafia group is killed

Personally this is what I think.

 

Traitor:

Wins with the mafia.

Can be recruited. 

Shows guilty to cops.

If main mafia group is killed before being recruited play continues until the traitor is killed.

 

Symp:

Wins with the mafia. 

Cannot be recruited.

Shows innocent to cops.

If main mafia group is killed the game ends.

 

 

The mafia and/or the player knowing who the other is should be on a case by case basis as determined by balance.

Thoughts on this?

 

[BFG]

Ninja'ed

[Reyoru]

 

Day 2 Result

 

RTE has been Lynched. He was ...

 

 

Winston Zeddemore - Mafia Symp

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It is now Night 2. You have till 9pm BST Thursday April 21 to submit any night actions. If all actions are received sooner then Day may start sooner.

 

Night 2 Deadline

Wow. I didn't expect that. Still hate Rey's claim though. Means he saved scum yesterday.

 

Once again, I'm sorry I killed Zander. I'm not the only one who thought Zander was scum.

 

I'm also not the one who was gonna lynch town today, and save scum from a lynch. 

 

 

 

[BFG]

Part 1

 

 

 

Okay, finally caught up! No email notifications, ugh

 

Anyways, thoughts:

 

So sad John left. He was my number 1 Town Read. So stronk. Hopefully Hallia follows suit (welcome!)

 

Eldrick looks town to me based on his interactions with Tsuki a while ago. Was very ready to vote Tsuki pre-claim. 

 

Speaking of claims!

 

In terms of Turin vs. Zander, I had a stronger town lean on Zander previously, but based on his actions in the QT and his subsequent attempt to defend himself, he comes across as the scummier of the two to me. If as he himself said, one of them is indeed not town, then I believe it is Zander who is scum of the two.

 

Not sure how I feel about Dice. Dice's meta doesn't ever really seem to help me one way or another. 

 

Town reads on Rey and Alanna. Null on BFG, Shad, and Niniel. After a Zander flip I'd move on to my null reads 

 

Vote Zander

 

 

Ok caught up.

 

Two things strike me the most.

 

First Dice changing from we need to resolve Turin and Zander today to moving off both of them entirely. I believe Turin is town. If Zander was to flip town I would take a hard look at Dice next (and that answers your question about that that you've asked everyone).

 

Second, nothing Zander has done has given me reason to think he's town. His insistence to discredit QT content is just plain and simply not a town stance. He's been defensive more than reasonable. Finally I just don't understand him moving off Turin, regardless if it's to me or not. I don't buy that he's doing it because he doesn't see a Turin lynch happening when most of the rest of the game is trying to resolve their roles and alignment. How he doesn't see Turin as a viable lynch is beyond me, and especially if he is so adamant that he is scum, with extra information to go on based on a QT as well. That he attempts to start a new train entirely when his reasoning is that the Turin lynch won't happen and he ll do anything to stay alive doesn't make sense either. Then you'd think he'd have placed his vote on the second largest train, assuming he is a townie who would rather risk anyone else dying but himself. So to me he isn't doing what would make the most sense to save himself, when IIRC that was his reasoning for moving off Turin.

 

Lenlo has been posting well and I agree with most of what he's said. He's solid town for me right now. Dice is still null but definite scum lean for his stepping out of the Turin Zander voting. Hallia's posts don't look out of place and I had John as my strongest town read. Townie vibes for eldrick and shad. One thing I'm not following is the case on Rey. I'd like to see some new stuff from him but liked his past posts. I guess I had a really good feel about the tone of his posts but perhaps that in itself isn't enough at this point. That being said I'm not one to comment on contributing at this point.

 

 

I guess. But I feel that was rather early on in the life of this game. So i could accept that he was trying to get things going. Haven't seen anything I'd paint as scummy from him thus far.

 

 

But I mean he did break the thread and that's pretty scummy...

 

 

I think he handled some early posts towards himself quite well and just has had a very level tone in all his posts, which is nice. Doesn't make him LOCK CLEAR or anything but he's not in my POE either.

 

Fill disclosure I can never remember what POE actually stands for but I'm fairly certain I'm still using it as intended

 

 

Dice this reasoning still feels like a relatively weak attempt to avoid voting one way or another on Turin and Zander. At least that's all I'm really taking away from this.

 

[Tsukibana]

Would look at who RTE was trying to defend. Symps jobs are to protect scum. Generally when symp roles have been used on DM, the mafia doesn't know that the symp exists so it comes down to either the symp alerting the mafia team somehow (unlikely) or just defending them on thread to protect them from a lynch. Symps may or may not have access to the QT, but they know who the scum are.

 

I've accidentally lynched one of my symps before. >_>

 

 

Ive also accidentally NK'd one of my symps before

 

You are terrifying ally...

[alannalynn]

 

Would look at who RTE was trying to defend. Symps jobs are to protect scum. Generally when symp roles have been used on DM, the mafia doesn't know that the symp exists so it comes down to either the symp alerting the mafia team somehow (unlikely) or just defending them on thread to protect them from a lynch. Symps may or may not have access to the QT, but they know who the scum are.

 

I've accidentally lynched one of my symps before. >_>

Ive also accidentally NK'd one of my symps before

 

You are terrifying ally...

If it's any consolation, I didn't know they were my symp and they were heavily trying to alert our team but we didn't realize it and thought they were a threat to us, so we offed them. That was so long ago I don't remember what game or what site it was on lol

[alannalynn]

Okay I'm finishing this tax project, I'm assuming BFG is looking at RTE iso so that's great. I should have this stupid project done in a few hours. Gotta figure out this depreciation part which is confusing and I hate it.

[BFG]

Part 2:

 

I'm here, at least for a bit. What would people like me to answer?

 

Zander is shouting a lot about progressing my views but I don't feel like content in thread has changed my views very much. Well, at least specifically not on him, and as my strongest scum read I don't see a reason for moving my vote. With each post I've tried to list players whose most recent interactions had me feel one way or another about them, moving them up or down the town-mafia continuum. Here's an updated reads list:

 

Turin

Lenlo

Alanna

Tsuki (admittedly, only because of his claim, not his content)

Eldrick

Rey

Hallia

 

BFG

Niniel

Shad

Dice

 

Zander

 

I guess I'd describe progression of my views as follows:

 

Hallia's vote-jumping in combination with her consensus posts  has her trending down on my list. John started off very strong but Hallia throwing her vote around and justifying it retrospectively is not doing her any favours in terms of looking town.

 

Turin's idea that Dice may in fact be a third party is an interesting claim. If we argue that it is likely that there is at least one third party player in the game, I would put Dice in that slot at this point. However, his early breadcrumbing of not being able to die (yes, I do understand how a treestump works, I just figure he took some liberties with that comment) does give some credence to his claim. That being said he may just trying to be staying alive as a survivor, which to me also seems quite plausible. Third party would make sense with his gameplay as well (staying out of Zander Turin voting, for example). 

 

I still do feel like Mafia are avoiding Zander and Turin, and as I said should Zander flip town I would look at people who didn't vote either of them. While mafia obviously will vote to lynch townies, if Zander flips town, and I believe Turin is town, then they stayed off the early trains and played it safe by not committing a vote to either that could be later used against them or invite scrutiny. That is why it is so important one of them dies today, because I think that will reflect in a meaningful way on a number of players. Furthermore, there are other people that the cop can use his view tonight to vet, such as Dice for instance. 

 

Finally, there is no one else I would lynch who I believe is more likely to be scum than Zander, and as I said, his or Turin's lynch would offer the most information this early in the game. I don't think the fact that I need to remember to check the thread and can't do so as easily on my phone, and that I've been quite busy and stressed in real life, is indicative of my alignment in the game. I am town. I am not revealing my role or identity. I think Mafia already have their hands full with potential kills tonight, don't need to give them any more information than they already have. I would also like to stress that Tsuki is only town IMO because of his claim. Nothing he has posted would get him out of the null category otherwise, and prior to his claim I had him as a scum read. While we don't have a CC, the real cop may just be playing it safe. Therefore prior to some evidence I would also treat him with some modest scrutiny. Hopefully he uses his PR to contribute more to the game in coming days. Finally, my nulls (in orange) is where I think the rest of the scum team are hiding.

 

 

 

First, I didn't say anything about my being saved because I still have no idea what happened. I received no message or indication prior to or after the lynch went through, so if anyone targeted me, I didn't receive any information about it. I'm town so I suspect it was to cast doubt on my slot. 

 

 

 

I am surprised this isn't more clear to be honest. The way I see it is the only people who know Turin and Zander's alignment is the mafia. Now if they are both town, easiest move for Mafia would be to stay off of either of them entirely. Therefore, if both turn out to be town, or only Zander as I already think Turin is town, I am most suspicious of those who have never voted on either of them or jumped off early.

 

If you want to talk consensus votes...

 

That being said, I had John very high up on my town list and as weird as this looks, I'm not ready to vote Hallia yet either. But will keep an eye on her.

 

Laine has moved up my town list. I believe Dice is Tree Stump, mostly due to the hint he dropped early on about not being able to be lynched. Unless he is another role that can't be lynched, which is possible. However, I believe one of Zander, Turin, or Dice need to be resolved today. That's why I won't move my vote, Of the three, I believe Zander is most likely to be scum. 

 

I also find it a bit hypocritical that Eldrick says he is easily swayed by others but also criticizes me in saying a lot of my posts are consensus and my votes following a train. When every day my time on the thread is largely spent catching up, that shouldn't really be a surprise. I kind of like Len's idea to let NAs resolve the Turin/Zander uncertainties but otherwise if not Zander or Dice, I'd move to one of my nulls, and I would rather stick to Zander as he's my strongest scum read. 

 

You're surprised that D1 isn't more clear?  We have a ton of claims D1 and 60 pages, I'm not sure what else you're asking for.

 

What has changed for you regarding my slot, have I done something scummy?  If so, tell me what.

 

What did Laine do to move up? And Treestumps can be lynched.  Silenced, no, but lynched, yes.  I disagree that Zander/Turin needs to be sorted by lynching.  I think the idea of cop clearing is a good idea.  I'm sure the doc will protect the cop, so Tsuki will have some info for us tomorrow I hope.

 

I could vote you or Eldrick still.  He made me feel a bit better, but he is still very low.  Please give me more to work with if you want me to move.

 

 

No I meant I was surprised my reasoning wasn't more clear, not D1.

 

Your switching of votes to different trains within the span of a few posts which fairly little go on between switches looked scummy to me.

 

Laine moved up based on strong contributions. Her interaction with Tsuki screamed frustrated town to me, and I agree with her thoughts about him. I think it is a good thing Zander was lynched, as given Tsuki was apparently blocked we'd still be at square 1 today. 

 

I'll try to come back with more later today.

 

 

 

Responses in bold, evidently.

 

My strongest scum read today is Hallia. Her posts have been very thin, and her reasoning behind her votes even thinner. She's posting enough to contribute, but voting to blend and touting the party line, going with the popular trains.

 

Vote Hallia

 

 

 

Lol happy birthday for tomorrow!

 

But the day I take anything from a character claim is the day you should lynch me on the spot

 

Can you talk more about Hallia/Shad?

 

Fair enough.

 

Hallia: Vote jumping, hasn't done anything to solve the game so much as voting where there was stronger existing trains, not justifying her own votes on her own merit, and not conveying enough of her own opinions, thoughts, and progression to support where she is and isn't placing her votes.

 

Shad has been so null for so long. Makes me feel like much ado about nothing, in a way. I'd compare him to Eldrick for example. Eldrick posts a lot but he goes out on limbs too. His views and votes change, he makes progress, he comments on others a lot more, and in some ways I feel like he sticks his neck out more. I don't get that same vibe from Shad. Shad is more distant, less risky in his posting IMO. I'd have to ISO him properly to get a better read but I feel like his being null to me for this long stands out to me.

 

 

 

Reads from Town to Scummy

 

Turin

Laine

Sooh

Niniel

Eldrick

BFG

 

Tsuki

Rey

Dice

Shad

 

Hallia

 

 

 

 

I won't be on much, if at all, tomorrow. I should go back and quote Niniel's posts where she collects voting trains. Think those are among the most interesting things to look at, and largely (and oddly) have been ignored today.

 

Not sure what people ever expected me to say about what happened at Deadline on Day 1. As I said, got no information before or after it, so can't shed any light on what happened. Nice way for Mafia to incriminate me though and make sure I'm the obvious train for Day 2.

 

[Turin Turambar]

Alanna, you can say that Rey saved a symp. If Rey was mafia he might not know that RTE was on his team.

 

I also think that it means the likelihood of mafia being on his train goes up.

 

It also means there is a possibility that mafia didn't shoot but elected to try to recruit their symp. I think they failed because if he had been recruited I believe it would have said so in his flip.

 

I am very suspicious of people that had poor reasoning and just wanted him lynched because he didn't die D1.

 

Final thought is setup spec that the Ghostbusters ARE THE MAFIA. Yes, big stretch there

[Ithillian Turambar]

Today I hate all technology. All we did was change the thermostat and the whole thing died.

 

I had to speak to technical services. I must had turned it off and on again 20 times. Total stress head but I've been replenished with a beverage and chocolate and am much less snippy now. Sorry again for the delay.

[Reyoru]

RTE was a fan of Eldrick it seems. Eldrick has been flip-flopping.

Eldrick is scum. 

[Reyoru]

Thanks for the casing BFG.

[BFG]

Thanks for the casing BFG.

[Turin Turambar]

Actually I think RTE was a symp once and outed his entire team trying to signal them. Or was that tiinker? It was funny as all get out.

 

I have also been a recruitable symp that had no access to mafia QT and also didn't know my teammates. So I guess you never know.

[Turin Turambar]

Today I hate all technology. All we did was change the thermostat and the whole thing died.

 

I had to speak to technical services. I must had turned it off and on again 20 times. Total stress head but I've been replenished with a beverage and chocolate and am much less snippy now. Sorry again for the delay.

Chocolate is a wonderful thing.

[alannalynn]

Alanna, you can say that Rey saved a symp. If Rey was mafia he might not know that RTE was on his team.

lol!me

 

Can I just not be a fan of Rey atm and move on, then?

 

[Turin Turambar]

As long as we lynch from Shad, Eldrick and Dice tomorrow, pending NA results.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Bah. No cake for any of you

 

[Turin Turambar]

Phone dying. Probably a sign is time for me to stop for the night.

[alannalynn]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY RTE! I tried to save you lol I deserve cake <_<

 

As long as we lynch from Shad, Eldrick and Dice tomorrow, pending NA results.

Agree on Shad-Eldrick.

 

Dice is still town.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'm gonna mod kill RTE for editing.

 

Next time ...

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

 

I want Dice resolved. We either lynch him today or we lynch him tomorrow.

and here we have an example of someone who wants me lynched JUST to prove my claim.

And I don't like this either; You want ME lynched to prove I am the cop, as well??

I didnt say that

I so didn't put it together that she was claiming her protect there.

I did and I WISH she and turin had kept their mouths closed

Why? It was a blatant hint. You think mafia would not guess there? More non town mindset.

 

 

because it was a hint. they may not have seen it. they may not have GOTTEN it! look at tsuki and rey  they havent played here in ages. they havent heard halli refer to herself as GOAT doc like some of us have.

 

And mafia can miss things, they arnt omniscient. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Ok yes time for bed. Enjoy the Night ahead ... If you can.

 

Muahahaha etc