Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[alannalynn]

DL in 1.5 hours, btw.

[alannalynn]

I'm used to you being more verbose and invested, Shad. Due to that lack of investment, I'm seriously struggling with reading you. I've hit the point in the game where I would generally say "okay, Shad's been at it long enough, he's town" or "Shad has done nothing to prove he's town to me" and I'm feeling the latter a bit more.

[Shad_]

Depends on if my kid wakes up. I'm here cause he's napping. I read slow as hell but if I get tight on time I'll pull him up in ISO.

[BFG]

I'm ISOing Rey and Shad but have a tab open to talk.

 

Probably don't want to lynch RTE, partly thread environment and I thought last night was good.

[Shad_]

Lack of investment is definitely a real thing for me in this game. But I'm still town. <_<

 

I was pretty into it at the start, and then after having to keep track of 120 players for a week so much of it flushed out of my memory that I'm just kind of muddling through. I don't expect to be consensus town for it or anything, but the suggestion of lynching me made me go whaaaaaaaaa?

[Shad_]

Mafia are using the fact he lives yesterday to make him the inevitable lynch today Imo. I don't like doing things mafia want.

I know you were all gung-ho on lynching Zander yesterday, but did you think RTE was a bad alternative at the time?

[Tsukibana]

I guess I am avoiding sleep for 1 more hour...

[Niniel]

I think I´m about to get a migraine so I won´t be here more today. Sorry. I will keep my vote on Rey. 

[alannalynn]

I don't have a ton of time so I'm running through Rey's ISO

Pg 1
At the beginning of the game I really liked his snark, it made him feel really comfortable in thread which caused me to town read him early, but it kind of went down hill from there.

He dismisses the meta talk that Zander brings up, basically saying there's not merit to it in the game.

Link His first content post comes here where he liked Turin's pointing out potential scum teams, notes that 1/4 is supposed to be scum. Which statistically speaking is inaccurate. He later in the post uses this to point a case against Tsuki irt the good ghost/bad ghost talk and say that because of the 1/4 rule that Tsuki is most likely to be mafia?

Similarly he's being called out by Tsuki for "saying town too many times" which is an even worse way of hunting scum.

Repeats for the second tim that he wants more from Shad , BFG, and adds Lenlo this time to his list.

Page 2 of ISO
I'm noticing he does a lot of "I agree with what he said here, especially with Eldrick" but I'm not seeing a ton of individual thought coming from Rey yet. He makes a habit of asking about other people's reads without providing his own input first.

Link His case against Zander is that 1/4 of the "big talkers" early game MUST be scum and Zander's attachment to meta game is "gibberish"

Link He finally votes Zander. This is post Turin claim. Reasoning is poor defense and he doesn't like the meta play style. Rey states he believes Tsuki's claim, he doesn't like that Alanna voted Tsuki so he's watching me, Dice is a mess, and that if Z flips scum to look at Dice next.

I don't hate this post, actually. He's having some original thoughts, and providing content. He's still wrong on his reads though, but anyone can be wrong. His reasoning against Zander is weak, without taking in alternatives.

Link I find it odd that even though he believes strongly that Zander is scum, that he agrees with Zander on RTE's scumminess. If Rey is scum, I don't think RTE is. He doesn't even TRY to believe Dice's claim, yet he bought Tsuki's who he was previously voting and Turin's when he outted town!Zander. Tone in this post is also very off

Day 1 WTL

Link Looking back I'm not sure I like this reasoning. Part of playing mafia is trying to link together teams. If you strongly believe that someone is scum, then strongly believe that someone else is scum independent of them while one is sus of the other, then you're not being consistent. Seems too easy to lynch Zander, see that he's town, lynch Dice and be like "oops"

Link Again, setting up lynches

Page 3
Link Still finds Dice sus. The line that bothers me here though is "I'm quite happy to lynch Dice and see if he comes up town today." Is this something that TOWN would say???

Link ISO Niniel, sus of her

Link ISO of Dice

Don't like his use of paranoia to be suspicious of everyone in the game. Seems an easy tactic for scum to hide behind.

Rey and RTE aren't on a team together. Neither are Rey and Dice

Setting up lynches, yet he's not voting Dice. Once again this feels internally inconsistent

Slippery slope fallacy

And lastly a vote on RTE. He's not even voting who he thinks is scum, like he's waiting for somebody else to start in on Dice and lynch him for him! I'm not sure I get it.

I didn't really want to do this ISO because I feel I'm a little biased toward Rey at the moment, but I also feel like he's very likely scum at this point. His content just doesn't look good and he's trying to nudge lynches he isn't even on while not adapting his reads to new evidence in thread.

[Tsukibana]

 

 

 

As for my reason for dice, it is because his actions don't match his reads.

 

He had a town read on dice and a scum read on turin.

Turin claimed neighbor with zander.

Dice talked about that we should lynch between the 2 and resolve it. (By his reads so far, he would logically be wanting to push for turin)

Dice questioned Zander, who was already his town read, for more information about the claim.

Dice later addressed the point that he was town reading Turin because he thought the claim was neighborizer. If that was the case, it would have affected his reads when it was mentioned. I don't see how it did.

And after it was cleared up that he was wrong about the claim, his sussing Turin is gone, which doesn't make sense to me. If your reason for clearing someone is false, you don't continue to clear them.

 

Feels like a cop out to me, and is why I'm sussing him.

 

Also, if he thought the claim was neighborizer, why would it have to be resolved?

 

Yet his actions throughout it all seemed natural. He unvoted Turin after the claim, talked to both of them decided on town-town and looked elsewhere for a vote. He didn't lock himself in to voting one of them even though that was what he said initially. I would prefer that Dice answered but I'm pretty sure I understand his continued town read of Turin as well.

^this

 

 

I'm conflicted.

YOLO scum team: Rey, Shad, Sooh

Why Sooh?

I kind of liked that she jumped into the game straight away, but will need her to dig in and give reads before I can get a proper grasp on her

Lenlo was leaning too far scum for me and I'm not quite there with Sooh yet to give her a town read. She has a lot to do. I'm not going to lynch her any time soon, until I see what she can bring to the game, but she IS largely there by poe and Lenlo's actions.

 

Shad just isn't being Shad. I think he's more likely to be scum here.

Rey is a wolf.

 

RTE is probably town, so I'd really like for the lynch not to go there today but I'm pretty sure I'm making this decision too late.

 

 

How much hate will I get if I vote Shad or Rey today?

Would prefer Shad here. I just feel there is more there.

I could go with Shad today if we cfd there

 

 

 

@ Alanna - I really don't like your willingness to hard defend Dice... not that it is scummy (well, kind of), but because the whole point of discussion is because we just MIGHT be wrong. To take that kind of stance reeks of hardheadedness, or of OoT (Out of Thread) knowledge...

or it could be someone with experience with me actually thinking about the game.

My point still stands. You could be scum and just depending on your meta (her 'experience' with you) to mask it. She should never be so willing to hard defend ANYONE without mod confirmation... EVER.

This is ridiculous, Tsuki. How does town ever get anywhere if they don't go out on a limb and defend those they believe in? You're trying WAY to hard to make me out to be scum and it's just not something that is going to fit. I mean, I'm not saying that my reads are perfect, you don't even have to read them or understand them, they are my opinions on the game standing. But they're still my reads.

 

I tend to read Zander pretty damned well. That isn't scum knowledge or TMI, that's just experience with him and knowing his personality. So on d1 I hard defended and said that he's town in an attempt to keep him alive. I'm attempting to do the same thing here and say what I can about Dice before I'm nk'd for whatever reason and y'all suddenly decide that my defense of him was the only thing holding you back and you go off to lynch an actual townie.

 

I'm not sure I understand your point though. Scum has knowledge, town is guessing to the best of their ability. The more sure and confident I am in my reads, the more likely I am to make a difference. That doesn't have to be scum motivated.

 

 

 

 

@ Alanna - I really don't like your willingness to hard defend Dice... not that it is scummy (well, kind of), but because the whole point of discussion is because we just MIGHT be wrong. To take that kind of stance reeks of hardheadedness, or of OoT (Out of Thread) knowledge...

Hi Tsuki :)

 

Do you have any updated thoughts on RTE, Hallia, Niniel, Rey?

 

Hullo.

Hallia is playing her 'town' style, according to what I recall from old games with her. Kinda lurking, kinda here, throwing out tidbits and watching. I recall scum Hallia being more active.

 

RTE, again depending on old meta and gut reads, seems scummy. A town RTE is active, joking on D1, digging, prone to be the first have a WTF post when some mod shenanigans happen... I am not seeing that. He claims RL, issues, and I certainly cannot cast the first stone, but his reaction to lynch shenanigans pings hard. If I wasn't OMGUS voting Alanna, I wouldn't be opposed to voting him.

 

Niniel is more opaque to me. I don't have a lot of memory of her gameplay to form a gut read on, but I feel a lot of ITT similarity between how she and RTE are posting (style, content, short and sweet, etc.). I just don't know if that is normal for her.

 

Rey is also opaque. Nothing he has done has left an impression on me.

I think you relying on old meta is poor play. Even more funny is you relying on old meta, which is old and doesn't work anymore, yet I'm using real, current, recent meta and being called out for TMI by you. How does this even remotely make sense? I just RL lol'd

 

 

 

Yep, doesn't work any more...

 

 

For the record, I just RL lol'ed when I actually bothered to read what you had said...

[Tsukibana]

Crap, that was supposed to be clipped...

[Sooh]

 

If scums have both a kill and a roleblock, who were they going for with the kill yesterday that didn't went through if it wasn't Tsuki, and why would they not try to kill the cop?

 

What makes you think they didn't shoot at Tsuki?

 

Why would they shoot and role block the same person?

[alannalynn]

Tsuki

[Shad_]

Jumped ahead to his posts because I'm short on time. Meh. Nothing overtly scummy about them. His 'bothered that Shad has been null all game' stands out because I felt like I was a pretty obvious villager early on. I recognize my game's dwindled, but I struggle to see how he was completely null on my D1 play. Votes Hallia--a fairly non-consensus move. I think scum would have found an excuse to vote Dice or Rey unless they're team mates--and I rather doubt at least Dice is--since they were more viable alternatives to his lynch, but he does have those two low enough to justify a switch if needed.

I wish I'd been on to ask him why he's not voting Dice.  He'd argued yesterday that a town Zander made Dice likely wolf, and I challenged that but he stuck to it at the time.  I don't know if it's good he was willing to vote elsewhere or bad that he had nothing more to say on that.

[Shad_]

 

 

If scums have both a kill and a roleblock, who were they going for with the kill yesterday that didn't went through if it wasn't Tsuki, and why would they not try to kill the cop?

 

What makes you think they didn't shoot at Tsuki?

 

Why would they shoot and role block the same person?

 

 

In case of a doc.

[Tsukibana]

Funny how I doubted you and Zander, and you doubted me on Hallia... We see kind of similar on Dice, but are butting heads again about RTE...

[Tsukibana]

 

 

 

If scums have both a kill and a roleblock, who were they going for with the kill yesterday that didn't went through if it wasn't Tsuki, and why would they not try to kill the cop?

 

What makes you think they didn't shoot at Tsuki?

 

Why would they shoot and role block the same person?

 

 

In case of a doc.

 

 

Oh, come on... you're gonna serve it straight??

[Sooh]

 

 

 

If scums have both a kill and a roleblock, who were they going for with the kill yesterday that didn't went through if it wasn't Tsuki, and why would they not try to kill the cop?

 

What makes you think they didn't shoot at Tsuki?

 

Why would they shoot and role block the same person?

 

 

In case of a doc.

 

Seems like a waste to me, but ok.

 

RTE was run up yesterday too with votes. I can't remember who all voted him, but what has happened from there to now where you don't find him as scummy anymore? He had six votes vs. Zander's four I think. Why making a change on him today if you thought he was scummy yesterday?

 

FTR, RTE is still my only suspect for obvious reasons. I still don't even know half of this game.

[BFG]

Ok Reyoru is a bit of a mixed bag. He said he had an exam today, so probably won't be around to defend himself

 

The biggest issue is his stance on Dice, he goes from mafia reading him to wanting to confirm his as stump. His ISO of Dice comes up with more good points than negative, still doesn't like Dice's logic in post 454 which is consistent with his earlier post about it. The bigger point seems to be the comparative focus Dice has on defending himself although it's not mentioned there

 

Switches from saying he doesn't want to lynch RTE in absence to voting him after he comes in without saying much. I'd like to see updated views following the new content from last night :/

 

His focus on 1 in 4 seems to last a while and seems to be part of the case against both Zander and Dice

 

Other than that he's relaxed early game and easy in thread, more recently he doesn't just get bogged down in defence but still makes cases

 

His reads don't seem to progress much.

[BFG]

Or Laine can ninja me

[Sooh]

Also I didn't very much like the way Turin served Hallia her role claim earlier. At least that's how I read it. 

Turin does seem like his town self from what I have seen so far. Hallia I'm less sure of. I have almost come to expect a doc claim by her in any game nowadays, and as scum it would be easy to pull off. Bear in mind though that I say this without having read probably the majority of Hallia's posts, so for now I'll call it tinfoil and go read her ISO.

[BFG]

Jumped ahead to his posts because I'm short on time. Meh. Nothing overtly scummy about them. His 'bothered that Shad has been null all game' stands out because I felt like I was a pretty obvious villager early on. I recognize my game's dwindled, but I struggle to see how he was completely null on my D1 play. Votes Hallia--a fairly non-consensus move. I think scum would have found an excuse to vote Dice or Rey unless they're team mates--and I rather doubt at least Dice is--since they were more viable alternatives to his lynch, but he does have those two low enough to justify a switch if needed.

 

I wish I'd been on to ask him why he's not voting Dice.  He'd argued yesterday that a town Zander made Dice likely wolf, and I challenged that but he stuck to it at the time.  I don't know if it's good he was willing to vote elsewhere or bad that he had nothing more to say on that.

Not self pres voting is null for RTE, he only voted (mafia) Dice in HP because I yelled at him to iirc

[BFG]

[v]Rey[/v]

[Tsukibana]

27 minutes.

 

Rey and RTE, tied at 4 votes apiece...

[alannalynn]

BFG i like your ISO makes me think I'm more right and not crazy

 

i'm struggling with wifi right now so bear with me and responses