Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[Turin Turambar]

 

I saw he had been posting in the thread at that same time. He did change his name after a short time. I think he knew it was him. Not sure if he will say he made sure I knew it was him or not.

 

Look at his first posts of the game and then I just said Hi Zander.  He changed after that. 

 

Yes I know Im me.

 

I dont understand.

 

That you knew I had figured that it was you. 

[Zander?]

Why hint? I knew what I was. If by some chance I still get lynched I will flip EXACTLY as I stated. 

 

You didn't CONSIDER the possibility of us being V/V. If you don't know you should be asking people. There is a reason for the role to NOT be confirmed but to have to work towards trust. I was completely honest with you from the start of the game. You came in with a false name. You didn't make any effort in QT to look into me. I tried to give you benefit of doubt and hope you would come along. you went right into nudging me ITT. If we could have shown we were both town to each other there then we would have been in better shape as town. You basically deciding I was mafia from the start and in effect casing me in thread while avoiding me in QT led me to believe that you are in fact mafia. 

 

About Dice. Do you deny that I told you I thought he was mafia before you did in QT. I will have to check but I don't think you had sussed him in thread yet either.  So keep working at that. Especially since I had questioned Dice before you were even in thread or QT.

 

Keep fighting. I know you won't quit in either alignment. 

 

Funny I went after Dice first where you just threw together a Yolo D1 wolf team tho eh....

 

Pretty sure Im not supposed to be talking about the game outside of the game, and I left some breadcrumbs as to my role cause I didnt want it fully outed atp, just to see who picked it up and see how you reacted.

 

Im not talking to you in the QT because I dont know if I can trust you, you said Id use as Town!Zander to garner information, but nothing I glean can be validated ITT and therefore is just heresy or conjuncture and cant be proved.  Ill uss the thread to validate my points and concerns.

 

And about Dice, yes I do,

 

Also like the fact you bring out fighting as either alignment because, tho I do, after last game i think everyone knows that I fight much much harder as Town so if youre Scum, that comment may come back to bite you in the end brother,

[Zander?]

 

 

I saw he had been posting in the thread at that same time. He did change his name after a short time. I think he knew it was him. Not sure if he will say he made sure I knew it was him or not.

 

Look at his first posts of the game and then I just said Hi Zander.  He changed after that. 

 

Yes I know Im me.

 

I dont understand.

 

That you knew I had figured that it was you. 

 

 

You never figured nothing out, there was no post in the QT or thread so you saying this has no way to be proven other then you saying you THOUGHT which ofc is meaningless.

 

A lot of what youre saying is QT related, and if it could be proven GREAT we could use it,  it seems like your just trying to sow WIFoM, try coming at me with some actual in-game related stuff instead of stuff that cant be proved so everyone can be the judge of it.

 

I mean I only posted in there what 7 times?

[Turin Turambar]

 

We don't have to clear it up by lynching one of them, though. Like seriously. We just had a cop claim.

 

which is awesome   if he lives   which is awesome if the one he views isnt a gf.

 

theres always the option that we may not lynch one of them   it depends on the conversation

 

I'm gonna clarify upon further review I have been a one way lover with a cop so it is possible but I will maintain that it would be highly highly unlikely. 

[Turin Turambar]

I already explained it to Niniel. But here is our first interaction in thread. Check the timestamps. Then go to the QT and check the time stamps there...

 

Hi zander.

 

Hello frand

 

Only you really know this but your last post as Secret Person was at 5:39 PM eastern.

 Your first as Enter Zandman at 5:40 eastern

[Turin Turambar]

Are you denying the accuracy of what I am claiming happened in the QT? 

 

I know the truth. You know the truth. I think that everyone else can see I'm telling the truth of this situation.

 

Refute me. take your time we have loads before DL. put your thoughts together.

 

 

I only have about 15 minutes for sure right now. It is Friday night and I have a date with the MOD and some Chinese takeaway. 

[Shad_]

 

 

Kind of get where you're coming from but it's not a good strategy. I got tired of mis reading Dice every game so I just started slotting him town for funsies and then I defended him like an idiot in the Harry Potter game. Soooo basing reads on past distrust or failed attempts is probably a bad idea.

Do you think he's being honest?

 

Shad who are you referring to here?

 

You corrected Eldrick, and I agreed with that much, but I wanted to see if you derived any sort of read on him from it.

 

Considering you've called him towny since, I suppose you did.  That's good.

[Shad_]

Liking Laine on p21 quite a bit.  There was a time when I'd say that level of engagement is outside of her scum range.  I need to look at GnD at some point and see how much of her towny content came post-cult conversion.

[Niniel]

Lets see. This seems like a mess. My reads will be kind of "before and after" the claims.

 

BFG, RTE, Lenlo - no way that I can have a read on them yet. Laine - you said that you had BFG leaning town and Lenlo is scummy. How do you come to that conclusion? 

 

Tsuki - still scummy in my re-read but you don´t kill a claimed cop. 

 

Hallia/John - I liked that John tried to start the game with some votes. As I said, he can make those U-turns as either alignment though if I remember it right. But town for now. We´ll see more from Hallia.

 

Rey - I don´t have his as high as other seems to. He liked John´s vote on Turin and I understand that. I also like his vote on Tsuki (before the claim). But I don´t like the statistics talk at all. Why use it as a "proof" when there is other things in the thread to go on? Let´s say that I have a very small town lean on him. Close to null.

 

Laine - I liked her "tone" in the beginning. I´m not a tone reader at all so I don´t know how to explain that but she never got too offensive towards John or Tsuki. I agree with her vote on Tsuki and her reasons for it. I would like her to expand her reads on Zander, BFG, Lenlo and Rey. Town.

 

 

I´ll post here so it doesn´t disappear. Will continue in next post.

[Shad_]

 

 

 

Actually I'd like to know this myself. You recently touched base on dice and zander, but you haven't given any reason for Tsuki IIRC.

TBH, Tsuki is the most YOLO of the three. It is only the bold below. He acknowledges Dice claiming ghost but doesn't seem to want to pursue it in any meaningful way.

 

Would you say you "touched base" on Zander already? What made you think he and Dice might be w/w?

 

Not very much. The issue there is that I can't quote all the evidence. I think the way he has gone about pushing him could be a bus move. TBH tho I have them as w/w because I think they are both wolves separately. Have shown some of the Dice things that bother me. Will try to get to Z today. 

 

 

Red, ok........ why?  What you actually said about Zander came off to me as if you intended it to be null.  Looking forward to blue.

 

Another part of why I asked this is it seemed to me you really hadn't touched base on Zander, and I thought you'd question Eldrick on the statement unless you felt you had.

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

but it IS him SAYING town 3 times :P

 

But it isn't the issue you are making it out to be.

 

He's also not the first person to say it. Turin did it too. Why aren't you getting on his case for doing that too?

 

 

Im not making it an issue, Rey is.

 

I'm always on Turin's case.

 

Why are you white-kinghting? Or do you have a reason for defending Rey and pointing me at Turin you wish to elucidate?

 

What makes this white knighting?

 

Shad. I am a bit concerned about this post. Eldrick looks like he is in effect making a "why me??" post in Rey's defense. Maybe i'm reading it wrong. 

 

Given I think Tsuki is in the wrong here as he seems to be making a mountain over a molehill. 

 

 

Someone says: Why are you making a big deal out of player x doing this when others have done the exact same thing?

 

Response: You're white knighting player x!

 

You don't see a bigger issue with Tsuki than with Eldrick here?

[Shad_]

So Z do you think it is more likely a town or mafia thing to join a QT and try to conceal your identity(even if poorly)?

huh?

[Niniel]

Shad - asks some good questions but I miss the longer posts where he gives his oppinions. I don´t know if he does those as both alignment or not. Null/Town

 

Turin - to the point of his claim I found him scummy on my re-read. I don´t think his reasons for voting Dice is good. I also thinks that he was wrong by saying that Dice´s vote on Rey was a reaction test. I don´t think he either said it that way or meant for it that way. It might be true that he just followed John on Dice as John thought. But... I don´t see why he made that claim if he is mafia. I need to check how many votes he had when he claimed. 

 

Dice - He did "clear" Zander quite easy. And maybe he hasn´t scum hunted much. But I know that it´s hard if you are being accused right away. It´s hard not to just defend yourself. So lets say that is one - and one +. I can see why he voted Turin, because I don´t agree either with Turin´s reasons for voting Dice. He was quick on saying that we need to sort out Turin and Zander and Eld might be right that this can come from mafia that knows the others are town. But as I don´t know Turin´s or Zander´s alignments I can´t go on that. I just don´t know about Dice. I would say small town lean but it could be a small mafia lean as well. Let´s say null for now.

 

Will continue in next post.

[Shad_]

I think I may be premature but I am pretty sure I'm right that Z is mafia and I don't think I wanna let this go today. You can lynch me for it if you want.

 

HARDCLAIM: DANA BARRETT- TOWN NEIGHBOR

 

Zander has hinted at being Louis Tully(aka Keymaster/Vinz Clortho: Minion of Gozer) although he has refused to tell me in our QT this or much else. My initial Zander suspicion was in that he initially posted as Secret Person there. His first or second post there was that I must be mafia otherwise we would be listed as masons. That this was his only thought was very troubling as MODS specifically have the mechanic of Neighbors to create a level of mistrust. He has been closed off there and I believe it is to keep from giving any info to the town. He has all of 7 posts there since the game started. I expressed my belief that Dice is mafia before he did there. That was about the last thing he said to me. I think Town Zander looks to work me to try to get info out of me that he can then use to catch me if he truly thinks I'm mafia. That he seems to be ignoring me there speaks volumes IMO. Okay on to the Z quotes ITT:

Well, this got interesting.

 

Neighbors can be v/v or w/v. The uncertainty is part of the point of the distinction between this and fully revealed masons. I had a bit of a chat about the balancing aspect of this recently, but I don't remember if it was in Haunted Mansion or in private. Might be worth checking on that. I don't know how much of HM Zander even read though considering he was a mafia tree stump all game.

 

When/why did he reveal his identity?  Did you ask?  Did he tell you?

 

I would expect towns in that scenario to jump all over the opportunity to try and figure each other out, scum to either go for a hard sell or, at least if they have the option to remain anonymous, avoid the QT altogether.  Revealing himself and then avoiding you doesn't make terribly much sense to me in general.

 

Feel free to like, not answer things that are probably covered ad nauseam in the next few pages.

[Niniel]

Zander - I have liked a lot of what he has said. I like how he questioned and voted Dice. I also like that he questioned Rey´s statistic talk. The weirdest thing is how he went from voting Dice to voting Turin in #380. Up to that I have him as town but that felt weird. Zander - what is your thoughts on Dice now? I also wonder about his behaviour in his and Turin´s qt. It sounds scummy to hide yourself. I don´t blame him for not trusting Turin but that didn´t look good. I think I need to listen to some of you and see how you see this.

 

Eldrick - I didn´t like his reasons for voting Shad at the beginning.I liked that he questioned Rey and that he questioned Tsuki about why he called out Rey but not Turin about the townie talk. I get a good feeling from Eldrick, it seems like he is looking at things and try to find things out, not having to decide before what he thinks. He is my strongest town read. 

 

 

 

List is coming...

[Shad_]

I think the lynch goes between zander and turin today

That's a bold leap.

[Niniel]

I actually don´t know how to do this list because I don´t know what to think about the claims. I will do a "before claim" list. 

 

Town

 

Niniel

Eldrick

Laine

 

Hallia

 

Zander (but he looks worse after the claim)

Shad 

Rey

 

Tsuki (in the middle because of claim)

 

Dice

 

Turin (but I think he looks better after the claim. Again, need to check when the claim came.)

 

 

Can´t say: BFG, RTE, Lenlo

[Niniel]

UN-Official Vote Count - Day 1

 

Dice (1/7): Turin

Tsuki (4/7): Rey, Shad, Niniel, Alanna

Turin (3/7): John?, Dice, Zander

 

Not voting

 

(5)- Tsuki, BFG, Lenlo, Eldrick, RTE

 

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to achieve a majority Lynch.

 

Day 1 deadline is set for Wednesday 14 April @ 9 PM BST

 

Day 1 Deadline Countdown

 

This is Turin´s unofficial vc before his claim. It´s possible that he claims and trying to make Zander look bad to save himself. But he is only at three votes and we have days left until deadline so I don´t know if that really holds. 

[Shad_]

4 People voted for me... Statistically, 1 scum. Find him.

 

snip

 

Lynn is at the top of my list. Too emotional, too quick to join on my wagon and agree with everything against me...

 

[v]Allanalynn[/v] (spell that right?)

[unvote]

 

Votes on you are certainly worth revisiting.  Something to do when I'm caught up.  I don't care to make an immediate assumption in that regard when I thought you were fairly scummy.  I don't remember the others off the top of my head, but Laine's mirrored my own thoughts a good bit and I can't really hate that.

[Niniel]

I guess that you can understand it from my posts above but I don´t like Tsuki´s vote on Laine. 

[Shad_]

Tsuki (in the middle because of claim)

Do you think scum are likely to claim cop at L-3 with a lot of the discussion focused on other players something like four or five days before DL?

[Niniel]

He said that he won´t be here much and that is why he claimed now. I will just leave it like that. Everything about him is scummy but you don´t vote a claimed cop. We will know sooner or later if he is right or not. 

[Reyoru]

Oh hoho. We have some developments. Juicy. Gonna get caught up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZom_gVfuw


 

[Shad_]

gimme a break eldrick.

 

 

Turin hardclaims a town role. Claims zander is mafia. We have to clear that up.  there are multiple possibilities. t/t t/w w/w  Turin could be right  he could be wrong he could be lieing it needs to be sorted out. Hence me thinking it needs to be between them at this point

 

i unvoted while we sort it out. I want to hear from zander

 

 

 

SERIOUSLY tsuki? headdesk.

w/w?

 

Would be a pretty stupid gambit. Lose a team mate on D1, guarantee the other is bottom of the POE for still being alive at lylo.

 

Turin didn't claim mechanical knowledge of Zander's alignment. He said he thinks he's scum based on QT content. I agree they need to be a focus.  I think it's a bit of a stretch to conclude that we have to lynch one of them today prior to hearing them out.

[Shad_]

He said that he won´t be here much and that is why he claimed now. I will just leave it like that. Everything about him is scummy but you don´t vote a claimed cop. We will know sooner or later if he is right or not. 

 

Claims like that are town >>> more often than scum.

 

I mean I saw a scum claim approaching that level of stupid in my last game, but even it involved a role that town wasn't likely to have.