Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[Eldrick4221]

Tsuki, why was it bad for Rey to say something, but not for turin to say the same thing?

[Eldrick4221]

Good morning players. I'm working again. Ugh.

 

But I'll have lots of time this evening for you all :)

Yay work :P

[Turin Turambar]

 

This is going to be soooo funny later.

 

John, I see what you are trying to say, but your wrong about me. I was suss of Dice from his intro post.

 

Unrelated:

I did say I was the "towniest town to ever town in response to zander. It is a common current phrase(you can even see it in his member title).

 

Why is it going to be "soooooo funny"? 

 

It's mafia, we're all wrong more often than right. That's the nature of it.

 

You are gonna have to wait for that until post game cause I can't divulge all of it at present. 

 

some of it may be sooner rather than later. But try to be a little patient.

 

 

 

And you are certainly wrong about me.  Especially since I was sus of dice BEFORE both of you were pushing at him. 

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

Actually I'd like to know this myself. You recently touched base on dice and zander, but you haven't given any reason for Tsuki IIRC.

TBH, Tsuki is the most YOLO of the three. It is only the bold below. He acknowledges Dice claiming ghost but doesn't seem to want to pursue it in any meaningful way.

 

Would you say you "touched base" on Zander already? What made you think he and Dice might be w/w?

 

Not very much. The issue there is that I can't quote all the evidence. I think the way he has gone about pushing him could be a bus move. TBH tho I have them as w/w because I think they are both wolves separately. Have shown some of the Dice things that bother me. Will try to get to Z today. 

[Turin Turambar]

 

Kind of get where you're coming from but it's not a good strategy. I got tired of mis reading Dice every game so I just started slotting him town for funsies and then I defended him like an idiot in the Harry Potter game. Soooo basing reads on past distrust or failed attempts is probably a bad idea.

 

Do you have a read eother on him yet Lainey?

 

[v] Dice {/v]

 

I don't like he kept his "joke" vote on Rey even after he seems to have a lean on John. Well he called him a hypocrite anyway.  

 

Is the keeping of the joke vote the only reason youre voting him Turin?

 

What is the connection youre seeing that you are tying him and I together?

 

No. I didn't like his intro. It hasn't gotten better from there. His keeping the vote on Rey when it seemed he was more focused on other people. He changed his stance to it being a "reaction test" but doesn't say what he was actually looking for. It doesn't ring true to me. 

 

Again I have you both as potential wolves for your own reasons. You KNOW some of what I am suspicious of you for. I have questions about the manner you are going at him. I am interested in how it goes forward.  

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

 

but it IS him SAYING town 3 times :P

 

But it isn't the issue you are making it out to be.

 

He's also not the first person to say it. Turin did it too. Why aren't you getting on his case for doing that too?

 

 

Im not making it an issue, Rey is.

 

I'm always on Turin's case.

 

Why are you white-kinghting? Or do you have a reason for defending Rey and pointing me at Turin you wish to elucidate?

 

What makes this white knighting?

 

Shad. I am a bit concerned about this post. Eldrick looks like he is in effect making a "why me??" post in Rey's defense. Maybe i'm reading it wrong. 

 

Given I think Tsuki is in the wrong here as he seems to be making a mountain over a molehill. 

[Turin Turambar]

 

I don´t know anything about this theme either. Except that there are ghosts and that there are people that hunts ghosts and that there are some kind of green slime. 

 

You havent seen Ghostbusters...WOLFY

 

lolololololololol

 

 

 

 

 

Vote: Zander

 

Game has to start somewhere. I don't presume to know if him mentioning "getting the wolves" constantly is alignment indicative, but I tend to think over-selling yourself as town is a scum marker.

 

So, let's see what happens, shall we?

Bold is his reasoning. I agree with it and it is one of the things that perks my ears up too. (i.e. Zander using the PM thing to atempt to hard clear himself in GnD) You see it as alignment neutral for Zander specifically. He sees it as a general tell. ( at least that is my take on it) 

 

Also the underlined, You see something that sits odd you push to see what develops. I can appreciate that. 

 

 

[v] Dice {/v]

 

I don't like he kept his "joke" vote on Rey even after he seems to have a lean on John. Well he called him a hypocrite anyway.  

HAHA! I just called him a hypocrite too. Apparently it's okay for him to make comments on reads but not okay for anyone else, I can see where Dice is coming from

 

It might help you to think of John as a cross between Mynd and Darthe. But with a different sense of humour. Hr is a "beat the grass to startle the snakes" type player. 

 

If he gets under your skin you could ask him to go find his "Princess Sparklebutt" siggy

 

 

Even if you wanna use this weak reasoning, maybe not weak for John because he doesnt know me but for you it is.

 

In the GnD reference you used what was my alignment that game Turin?

 

And me calling myself Town or lets hunt the Wolves is completely null for me.

 

Where are you going with this irt to me?  This is one of those weak pushes Ive talked about from you last game,  I know I was wrong but its something Im noting cause Ive seen it before from Scum!Turin.

 

Want to hear you answer some of my questions.

 

First, I am NOT saying that your town proclamations are indicative of your alignment. I was saying that it looked like it was HIS reasoning and that in general I do agree with it. With some people I now I have to hold down my urge to jump at it because my opinion is that you don't say you are town you show you are town. How you got that was my stance  I am not sure.  In the GnD game you were town. Back at you tho. How many times have you used that line " I was wrong about you but..." You know the definition of insanity right? 

 

So Z do you think it is more likely a town or mafia thing to join a QT and try to conceal your identity(even if poorly)? 

[Turin Turambar]

 

This is going to be soooo funny later.

 

John, I see what you are trying to say, but your wrong about me. I was suss of Dice from his intro post.

 

Unrelated:

I did say I was the "towniest town to ever town in response to zander. It is a common current phrase(you can even see it in his member title).

 

Really want to see Dice's response/reaction to this.

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Youre saying youre suss of me but yet you seem to be sheeping me Turin, why?

 

First, I am NOT sheeping you. YOU know that I  came to my own read on Dice without any input from you. I could in fact easily ask you this exact question with more validity. 

 

You do see why this kind of thing is just making you more suspicious to me. 

 

Turin really clamped down after I voted him.

 

Let's run him up, and find someone else to run up with a competing train. 

 

How about Dice and Turin? Yea, that feels pretty right... run 'em both up. See where that gets us. 

I'm actually okay with going up against Dice. If you decide to lynch me just make sure you look extremely hard at Zander after I flip. Better yet we lynch dice and catch a wolf. 

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

 

Rey describe youre town and scum game for me please.

 

Anyone who knows him please weigh in.

 

Been too long for anyone to really do this Zander

 

But as a welcome back

 

Vote Rey    been too long Rey

 

 

alright boys who we lunchin

 

i'm in charge now

 

Wolves or Zander  possibly both

 

Lynch Zander D1 for my WiM?

 

If hes a wolf im all for it. Kinda doubt he is tho

 

Vote: Zander

 

Game has to start somewhere. I don't presume to know if him mentioning "getting the wolves" constantly is alignment indicative, but I tend to think over-selling yourself as town is a scum marker.

 

So, let's see what happens, shall we?

 

 

I get the theory but Id suggest you set it aside in regards to Zander. He will probably call himself town like 20 times this game. No matter what his alignment.

 

Above was Dice's vote on Rey. I'm not sure what he was trying to actually get out of the vote. From where I'm sitting it looks more like it is just a parked vote while he nudges at other people. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Rey, I don't think we have

 

Think we may have briefly met before though. You had an exciting job travelling to places such as the Middle East I think I remember?

 

Now I feel bad :(

 

Exciting is probably subjective but yes :)

Don't sweat it! Nice to re-meet you so to speak. 

 

He has now posted but didn't mention your vote on him. What did that tell you? 

 

 

red  thats just made the FOS a vote. Turin has been around long enuff to understand joke votes

 

as for rey   oh dear! he didnt answer me yet!  oh look he did just below this   

 

definetly think turin is trying to grab hold of anything he can no matter how thin

 

 

 

Also a fan of Rey right now. Good amount of snark, makes rereading more enjoyable. Not alignment indicative though, but probably want to keep him around for fun factor. lol

 

#88 @Rey In regards to meta-play, it's been heavily used recently, more among some players than others. Sometimes it's used to make really accurate cases, sometimes it totally screws us over, so it just depends. I think it's a good tool to get some early reads in a game though. If we know how people generally react, it's somewhere to start from.

 

Thanks for being a fan. 

 

I think this meta-game play is nonsense personally, but I also see where you're coming from.

 

 

Eldrick, that is poor reasoning to make someone a wolf. Basically that he is a good wolf. I disagree with the idea of you being willing to trust someone else to tell you he is town before you are even willing to consider it. 

 

It is very early still but I will look at Shad. 

 

 

D1  yolo wolf team of Dice, Zander and Tsuki.  

 

I like that Turin is making a concerted effort this early to point out potential scum teams. I also note that statistically speaking, at least one of either his himself or his yolo team is scum. 

 

 

 

[v] Dice {/v]

 

I don't like he kept his "joke" vote on Rey even after he seems to have a lean on John. Well he called him a hypocrite anyway.  

 

Rey hasnt even responded to it yet. I think its quite alright to leave a joke vote there til the joked one actuaslly sees it.

 

I think your stretching for something and im ure pick cause zander and john are being dopey.

 

FOS

 

Hey Dice, nice to see you again. Thanks for the welcoming vote, it made me feel all warm and gooey inside. 

 

I agreed here. I personally thought Turin was stretching on Dice for his joke vote on me. But, I don't like the whole "Dice claims ghost" situation: 

 

 

 

oh look not only does he respond even he thinks turins stretching

 

 

i think zander is in his town mode yeah

 

the 2 votes have kinda annoyed me.  Zanders is making me want to headdesk while yelling gimme a break in disbelief and John    who i have played with before     just  made himself a hypocrite which i hate. I hadnt remembered him voting anyone else and still dont but am taking you at ure word at this point

 

over all their votes are a waste of time. 

 

So, voting and pressuring = waste of time? I guess we should all be able to make our reads on the game when everyone is joking around not talking about the game, as you seem to have done?

 

Who knows this guy's meta? Is he always illogical and over-defensive? 

 

And no, you didn't "prove" me to be a hypocrite. You proved that you really don't understand gameplay all that much.

 

 

 

Red   no voting ME is a waste of time

 

i dont have to prove you a hypocrite   i simply stated my opinion that you are

 

 

 

also at ITHI and JOHN

 

can john please edit post #245?  specifically alannalyns name      waves the pg13 sign   also watch the swearing plz john

 

 

 

 

 

Reading is hard right Zander?  Cause apparently you dont understand the word TEND   its not a solid word. As for the red   had I even posted between saying that and now?  How would you know whether im progressing my read or not if i havent posted?

 

 

I think you've given me too easy of a Town read Dice.  I didnt say you locked it in but still atp theres not a lot Ive dont if anything I couldnt do as Scum,

 

So are you saying that you can read me Town atp but me reading you Scum is stupid, you see the disconnect there right?

 

You didnt make any progression on me, that was the point, you were just Zander is Town or likely Town.  I know some people are easier reads but I know you know that Im not.

 

For someone who talks about Tone reading, why do you have a problem with me not liking that sentence?  I even said I dont know if TMI was the right word but that it pinged me. I mean you know we are very similar players. 

 

And as far as jokes didnt you push/catch Lainey in Belicheat from a joke.

 

Ive not locked you in but I dont like your game thus far.  Time will tell.

 

 

blue  explain the disconnect to me   just being town doesnt mean you cant be stupid. 

red   sometimes you are bro

 

and seriously  stop wasting ure time and go find a wolf to lynch 

 

Dice, RE: "joke votes" they can have meaning or they can be just jokes. It looks like you don't want to take a position on whether you were just making a joke or looking for a particular reaction. All you stated after Rey responded was that he agreed with you that it was a "stretch". Is that what you were looking for? What does that tell you about Rey? 

 

How does anyone KNOW that you aren't a wolf? Do we just take your word for it? Not gonna happen. 

[Turin Turambar]

 

UN-Official Vote Count - Day 1

 

Dice (1/7): Turin

Tsuki (4/7): Rey, Shad, Niniel, Alanna

Turin (3/7): John?, Dice, Zander

 

Not voting

 

(5)- Tsuki, BFG, Lenlo, Eldrick, RTE

 

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to achieve a majority Lynch.

 

Day 1 deadline is set for Wednesday 14 April @ 9 PM BST

 

Day 1 Deadline Countdown

[Turin Turambar]

did VC per MOD request. Still catching up but will need to go try to catch up in other game. 

 

One thing I noticed in my skim to check for votes was from Z. I was a bit coy but seeing as he is now crumbing stuff I will get the posts I want to show and let you all decide what to do about it. I will also be giving some commentary as I can't quote everything that is going into my read.

[Turin Turambar]

I think I may be premature but I am pretty sure I'm right that Z is mafia and I don't think I wanna let this go today. You can lynch me for it if you want.

 

HARDCLAIM: DANA BARRETT- TOWN NEIGHBOR

 

Zander has hinted at being Louis Tully(aka Keymaster/Vinz Clortho: Minion of Gozer) although he has refused to tell me in our QT this or much else. My initial Zander suspicion was in that he initially posted as Secret Person there. His first or second post there was that I must be mafia otherwise we would be listed as masons. That this was his only thought was very troubling as MODS specifically have the mechanic of Neighbors to create a level of mistrust. He has been closed off there and I believe it is to keep from giving any info to the town. He has all of 7 posts there since the game started. I expressed my belief that Dice is mafia before he did there. That was about the last thing he said to me. I think Town Zander looks to work me to try to get info out of me that he can then use to catch me if he truly thinks I'm mafia. That he seems to be ignoring me there speaks volumes IMO. Okay on to the Z quotes ITT: 

 

Yes, I could be making this up but  I'm not. 

 

 

 

I do see Dice's progression on Turin

 

So i do stand corrected on that.

 

He had been pushing Dice as mafia and now he is saying that he sees his progression(fancy word). Feels like a vote coming up.

 

 

 

I still dont like Dice's easy read on me tho.

But for now.

[v] unvote [/v]

[v] Turin [/v]

I don't like this vote. I'll have to go check, but I don't remember you having a problem with turin.

You saw dice's progression on him, and felt better about dice, but now you're also suddenly convinced Turin is the way to go?

 

 

 

lmk what you come up with

 

There is the vote. Eldrick comments that he doesn't like the vote and does some research about it. FWIW I don't see Eldrick making this post as wolf unless he is getting coached up pretty hard in the QT. 

 

The GIF is also a hint at his character... 

 

 

I'm fairly sure ATP that Zander and Turin aren't w/w

 

Still think that Zander is town. Still not a strong read.

 

i'm not convinced by the reasons for Turin to be scum, but I haven't seen anything particularly towny from him either, so he's null.

 

Turin's like one of those neighbors you just dont think you can trust.

 

Bold is another hint. 

 

 

 

 

 

[v] Dice [/v]

 

I don't like he kept his "joke" vote on Rey even after he seems to have a lean on John. Well he called him a hypocrite anyway.  

 

This was his reason.

 

If you are talking about the ghost thing, Turin started that.

 

 

 

I wasnt talking about the Ghost part it was the issue of not liking the feeling from the post which iirc I mentioned first.

 

Am I wrong on this?

 

 

Technically yes, you used those words first. But under the pretense that ghost=bad, him suggesting that dice was calling himself a ghost was the first suspicion.

 

 

No I didnt like the at the wolves or to the wolves part he said.  Felt forced or disingenuous imo.

 

But this may be pointless back and forth.  It was just something I noticed.

 

look at the way this goes. Eldrick comes out with evidence that I didn't sheep Z onto Dice.

Z tries to reframe the conversation saying it wasn't about claiming ghost but "something else". 

Eldrick replies correctly that the suspicion comes from being a bad ghost and that it looked suspicious.

Z tries again to reframe. then ejects backing away to make it be just something he noticed. 

 

Z, you still think I was sheeping you? I know you don't but just come clean and let everyone else know too. 

 

[unvote]

[v] Zander [/v]

 

Still okay with lynching Dice. Zander is outted to me now tho.

[Turin Turambar]

Crud. Can I try to fix the formatting there? Not sure how it all went wrong.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

Kind of get where you're coming from but it's not a good strategy. I got tired of mis reading Dice every game so I just started slotting him town for funsies and then I defended him like an idiot in the Harry Potter game. Soooo basing reads on past distrust or failed attempts is probably a bad idea.

 

Do you have a read eother on him yet Lainey?

 

[v] Dice {/v]

 

I don't like he kept his "joke" vote on Rey even after he seems to have a lean on John. Well he called him a hypocrite anyway.  

 

Is the keeping of the joke vote the only reason youre voting him Turin?

 

What is the connection youre seeing that you are tying him and I together?

 

No. I didn't like his intro. It hasn't gotten better from there. His keeping the vote on Rey when it seemed he was more focused on other people. He changed his stance to it being a "reaction test" but doesn't say what he was actually looking for. It doesn't ring true to me. 

 

Again I have you both as potential wolves for your own reasons. You KNOW some of what I am suspicious of you for. I have questions about the manner you are going at him. I am interested in how it goes forward.  

 

 

show me where i said it was a reaction test. As i recall i said rey hadnt  responded to it.  its kinda like saying hi   you wait for the other person to say hi back

 

 

no test to it    the other bit u quoted where i said even rey says ure stretching? what does that have to do with me waiting for a response from my joke vote?  he said something agreeing with what i said and i used it to support my argument

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

Kind of get where you're coming from but it's not a good strategy. I got tired of mis reading Dice every game so I just started slotting him town for funsies and then I defended him like an idiot in the Harry Potter game. Soooo basing reads on past distrust or failed attempts is probably a bad idea.

 

Do you have a read eother on him yet Lainey?

 

[v] Dice {/v]

 

I don't like he kept his "joke" vote on Rey even after he seems to have a lean on John. Well he called him a hypocrite anyway.  

 

Is the keeping of the joke vote the only reason youre voting him Turin?

 

What is the connection youre seeing that you are tying him and I together?

 

No. I didn't like his intro. It hasn't gotten better from there. His keeping the vote on Rey when it seemed he was more focused on other people. He changed his stance to it being a "reaction test" but doesn't say what he was actually looking for. It doesn't ring true to me. 

 

Again I have you both as potential wolves for your own reasons. You KNOW some of what I am suspicious of you for. I have questions about the manner you are going at him. I am interested in how it goes forward.  

 

 

show me where i said it was a reaction test. As i recall i said rey hadnt  responded to it.  its kinda like saying hi   you wait for the other person to say hi back

 

 

no test to it    the other bit u quoted where i said even rey says ure stretching? what does that have to do with me waiting for a response from my joke vote?  he said something agreeing with what i said and i used it to support my argument

[dicetosser1]

sorry about that

 

 

 

so turins claim

 

ok first unvote

 

 

I think the lynch goes between zander and turin today

 

@zander  what have you got to say?

[Eldrick4221]

Stop quoting turin's broken tag, please.

[Eldrick4221]

I'm gonna look over Turin and zander tomorrow, to see what's going on there.

 

I also want to hear zander's side in all this.

[Eldrick4221]

Dice, I don't like the idea of narrowing it to just those 2. Neighbors can still be v/v.

 

Should we look at them? Certainly. Should we exclude everyone else? Definitely not.

[Eldrick4221]

This actually reeks of knowing they are both town.

 

[V]dice [/v]

[Eldrick4221]

If one of them is scum, it should be clearer now by watching their interactions ITT now that it's out in the open.

 

As Turin said, the neighbors concept has inherent distrust between each other. You can talk privately, but don't know each other are town.

 

I don't agree that Zander's lack of communication to Turin is alignment indicative. Turin might be on to something there, but he might not be. And it's not the only factor.

 

Zander has been towny ITT to me. I want to hear his response for why he stopped talking to turin.

[Eldrick4221]

Also, why did you unvote turin, and then say that the vote should be between Turin and zander?

[Eldrick4221]

My wim just shot up, btw. I love mechanics :P

[Tsukibana]

Really? A hard claim this soon? Doesn't change anything I intended...

 

Due to work springing departmental audits on us, and being tapped for promotion assuming we perform well (read: 70%+ above baseline), my posting is going to get real hectic,

 

HARD CLAIM - COP

 

I do this because I think it is the most Town thing I can do, atm. My  post rate is going to be shot to hell for the next week, maybe two. This way, town stops wasting time pointing at me and gets to the serious work...

4 People voted for me... Statistically, 1 scum. Find him.

 

On game mechanics and why I don't care I have claimed:

First, Scum have safe claims, and they are main characters, IMO (notice, OPINION). Reason - I am cop, and my character is a one-scene nobody.

Second, any results I receive have a high chance of being irrelevant, as - again, IMO - I seriously believe that in a game about a movie about GHOSTS, that there will be some sort of recruit mechanic, or possession.

Third, Ithi is ebil... EBIL... I wouldn't put it past her to have made a scummer who hides INSIDE someone else, IE, the townie has to die to expose the ghost...

 

Therefore, this game is gonna come down to in-thread reads, IMO. The only thing I have to go on, is someone knew I was town and pushed for me. Honestly, I would have said Turin, before his claim, because he has played with me before, and should remember that the only tactic I know is making 'mountains out of molehills', jumping on people for what I see as emotional responses, and generally scummy behaviour - If he forgot how I am, I am seriously sad... not really.

 

Lynn is at the top of my list. Too emotional, too quick to join on my wagon and agree with everything against me...

 

[v]Allanalynn[/v] (spell that right?)

[Tsukibana]

BTW...