[Advanced] Salem Mafia - GAME OVER - MAFIA WIN

[Shad_]

seph will be subbing in for Lily .

 

Do not discuss substitutions.

 

Holy mother of god.

[Shad_]

I don't even have time to read your posts tonight dude but welcome back. 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

The cavalry has arrived

 

omgomgomgomgomgomgomg its seph!!!!!

 

Too bad we gotta lynch you tho

 

sadface.gif

 

lololololol.

please tell me why you want to lynch me. You realize the only thing in this game you have said that has any content. is I want to lynch lili.

Im about to slap you around with my slim jims. But don't worry we will snack later, my brother.

 

 

She's gotta die.

 

I mean Ive seen Lily's Town game, this is not it.

 

Like seriously look at her content and her vote on Turin, really tho. 

 

Its awful dude.

 

tell me why? you aren't giving me any reason besides her vote is awe full???  you could at least say she was defensive, in which every post she was. Lily was getting voted without much of a reason and took it personally because we are town. When your town your going to get upset when people start calling you a wolf when you have hardly had a chance to get in a game. 

Zander i love you bro, but im not going to be the lynch tomorrow. 

 

This was going to be later but here are my notes on you zander. 

votes hallia for reasons... then keeps calling her scum to see if it sticks?? no real legwork.

zander calling out lily for not contributing, when he himself has done nothing to help solve this game besides lay two votes, which did not even apply any pressure.

 

I summed up 19 pages of your work in two sentences. 

[v] zander[/v] your in my bottom 4 bro, i need you to step it up.

Votes lili at 249, lili still has hardly any posts.

 

 

 

so now youre basically OMGUS voting me now?

 

Ive put more work in them some players and less then others but still more then your slot.  Im playing in 2 games currently.

 

What are your thoughts on Turin speh?

[seph]

I just saw this zander. you told me you wanted me lynched for lily's vote on turin, but it wasn't until 3 pages after you already cast your vote. so I am confused.
what is the reason for this vote?
 

that was as dramatic as i wanted it...

 

[v] Liliy [/v]

pg 13

Upon reread, I understand what Turin said when he voted me. I didn't understand the first time through. I was really out of it yesterday. 

 

I don't think sheeping someone is a good reason to place a vote. 

 

Vote Turin

pg 16

[seph]

I literally have no thoughts. I don't have one thing written about him in my notes. I can reread him, I think there was 1 post that i cant remember. Ill have more when my full list is done.

you can call my vote omgus if you would like. I was reading this before i subbed, and almost had the entire thing re read by the time i subbed it. you weren't voting for anything I did, but for what my partner did not do. I am here to provide the latter.

[seph]

I don't even have time to read your posts tonight dude but welcome back. 

thx :) im almost caught up on page like 16 with my notes

[Eldrick4221]

Vote counts

 

 

Thane (1) - Shad

Zander (1) - seph

 

Not voting: BFG, Dice, Thane, Hally, Zander, turin

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to start the Voting Phase.

 

Day 1 Ends on Sunday at 5pm.

 

 

 

Votes on Lily have been removed.

[BFG]

Vote counts

 

 

Lily (2) - Turin, Zander

Thane (1) - Shad

Zander (1) - seph

 

Not voting: BFG, Dice, Thane, Hally

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to start the Voting Phase.

 

Day 1 Ends on Sunday at 5pm.

 

 

I'm voting Zander?

[seph]

hi bfg :) you have anything you want to talk about? if not i am about to start a write up!

[Zander?]

I just saw this zander. you told me you wanted me lynched for lily's vote on turin, but it wasn't until 3 pages after you already cast your vote. so I am confused.

what is the reason for this vote?

 

that was as dramatic as i wanted it...

 

[v] Liliy [/v]

pg 13

Upon reread, I understand what Turin said when he voted me. I didn't understand the first time through. I was really out of it yesterday. 

 

I don't think sheeping someone is a good reason to place a vote. 

 

Vote Turin

pg 16

 

What was my reason for my Hallia vote?  Did I ask for her opinion on Lily?  Wanted to see what shaked out from it.

 

Maybe I have my reasons for it?

 

Maybe I wanted to pressure her?

 

Maybe I seen shes done nothing then when I vote her she comes back with that vote on Turin.

 

Maybe I think shes Scum?

[BFG]

hi bfg :) you have anything you want to talk about? if not i am about to start a write up!

I'm here to 'chat', but I have no context for anything at the moment, I'm rereading D0, because I can only remember a couple of players stances at this point, hopefully I'll be caught up shortly :)

[Eldrick4221]

You are. I don't know where that went. I'll have an updated VC shortly.

[Eldrick4221]

Vote counts

 

Zander (2) - BFG, seph

Thane (1) - Shad

 

Not voting: Everyone else.

 

Votes on and by Lily have been removed.

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to start the Voting Phase.

 

Day 1 Ends on Sunday at 5pm.

 

 

[seph]

I would really like people to give lists so I know everyone's thoughts on others. it seems like alot of people are tunneling which is fine to a extent.

shad or bfg could move up after I look into them more, and dice down. he has a decent chance to be neutral i think.

(bfg shad and thane could all be switched around)
Dice- I really like his early game, he doesn't seem to be forcing anything, looks to be assessing situations from multiple angles. however,  Turin had a post about him not taking any direct stance. its kind of weird to not see him dig his claws into someone yet.

Thane[/color]- post 22 +ev tone sounds good, I don't see wolf thane ever posting like this. post about shad wolf is very generic. was towny until the ate. still ahead of most, his tone as a wolf is usually aweful,

he sounds sincere in his posts.

BFG- I need to reread, but I like her tone and I remember seeing a few posts i liked. (need to reread) Could be neutral and killed sili. (tinfoil stuff)

shad- really dug into thane, locked in his vote without questioning him until pages later when thane had went mia. wants to deter my lynch, but would still lynch me.
I really disliked his early game, but started to like him more as the game went on.  I have him here, as me being wary.

Turin- one post i mentioned with dice I liked, but I need to re read. he isn't taking a lead role which he does as both town, and mafia. pushing in a direction. he is playing more like his sk game where he won with me at the end.


hally- Early game was lackluster, seemed to be piggybacking on shad towards thane without adding much original content. early vote on turin seemed like grasping, though she stuck to her guns and is still there. I wound likt to hear more on others besides turin. haly turin not w/w
zander explained most already.


 

 

 

 

Darthe was killed by Mafia. This role has been cleaned.
 
Nothing was found with his body.
 
 
 
Sili was killed by Serial Killer. His role was Escort.
 
The following was left in his Will:
 
 

Msg

Rbd bfg

Darthe dice shad seem town from whispers and other stuff.

Lynch lil pls.

 

Blackmailer - Mafia Support - Give someone a PR for the following day.
Consigliere - Mafia Support - Mafia-aligned Investigator.
Consort - Mafia Support - Roleblock someone each night.
Framer - Mafia Deception - Choose one person to frame each night. (They will view as Mafia – Framer)
Godfather - Mafia Killing - Assign someone to be killed each night. Will submit the Nightkill personally if there isn't a Mafioso.
Janitor - Mafia Deception - Choose a person to clean each night, if they die. 3X cleanings
Mafioso - Mafia Killing - Night Kill. Carry out the Godfather's orders, if applicable.

Mafia got off two actions--a killing action and a Janitor action. Serial Killer got off a kill. So BFG can only be town or the Neutral Any slot.

 

This is very true, it doesn't look like she can be mafia. I thought i disliked it until i just checked again.

 

Darthe had light town reads on Dice/Sili, tested Hallia and Shad, I quite liked their initial reactions.

Sili was suspicious of Lily, and town reading Dice/Darthe.

I can't see any obvious smoking guns

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

shad admitting sk :) lolololol

 

Plus side to this field is I only need confident villa reads on 3-4 of you to have a pretty decent shot at lynching non-towns.

Im not sure how i feel here, i keep flip flopping on my read with you.

 

Has anyone ever seen Thane hop into a game and say "x player must be scum cause he wasn't the first night kill?"

Have you ever seen him do this as mafia? many people misread thane for reasons, and used to be a mislynch in most of the older games. Cory is the only one i think who can read him correctly almost every time. I don't think im that bad at reading him, but i think tone is more improtant than content with thane. 
I would like to see the town thane that i played in my last game with!

 

Thanks Shad, reading is hard. XD

Thane that is not good reasoning. You're saying that scum didn't target someone who as you say, is good at solving and there for likely to be protected?

piggybacking off shad.

 

 

Turin, I don't understand your vote. Can you explain it in other words, please?

 

Have you said or done anything this game reads wise?

 

Im not being a jerk i just dont recall anything.

 

explained how i felt here

 

 

Lol, rolefishing ey? I'm not the mayor, but i can be essential to town for all that matters.

 

You underestimate yourself, Shad, willingly.

 

As for your too easy comment: same could be said about that vote on me

 

It's true that i usually don't enter a game with statements like "X is wolf"....

 

But I only have one thing to say about that:

 

maybe thane could be nuetral with this??? hmm missed this before.

 

Mmmm. That's not bad logic, Shad. I could be tempted to vote Thane. But for now I'm not letting Turin off the hook just yet.

This almost makes me want to vote you here and now. I used this before as a wolf, a nice layback in case you need to switch at the last minute to say look! but i said i would switch

 

Or maybe I chose to play differently, seeing i'm trying to actually give you something to work with in the little time i can be here?

 

Once again, Shad, lynching me would be... not that good.

 

But,who am I kidding, right? " It's Thane, he's scummy, let's kill him and just not believe he actually might be telling the truth. "

 

Sometimes I really wonder why I even try....

 

Back to my previous gameplay MO, perhaps? Just lurk my way through the game, make excellent reads list noboby believes, hammer a wolf and try not to get lynched? I can do that too. Buh bye

 

#somuchfortryingsomethingnew

ate... ugh it at least sounds sincere, though im sure he was legit angry. so I don't think it sways me on his alignment.

 

 

So I won't get an answer from Turin til tomorrow. I find him parking and then not explaining to be sketchy.

I do like the pressure, but I want to see more thoughts than on turin or just following shad on thane.

 

Turin mostly MIA.

Lily mostly MIA.

Thane scummy.

Zander being aloof. Neutral party?

BFG mostly MIA but spewed non-mafia non-SK by Sili's death note unless I'm missing a mechanic.

Dice towny, Hallia eternally hard to read but looking better than most of the field.

GOAT D1 solve would be GOAT.

yaay a list!
 

 

On phone now and not dealing with all those multiquotes.

@ Turin he answered on the previous page. It doesn't make terribly much sense. Darthe is a strong player but no obvious reason to be the NK so :???:. I want to know why there was an obvious reason I should have been the NK instead.

I explained Z last night, what concerns you with Dice?

I just went thru Dice's ISO. it is very short and most of the posts feel like pop-ins. The only thing that has any meat on it is the voting procedure thing. Take another look at him when you can. It will take less than 15 minutes. 

 

Also He doesn't seem to have any interest in lynching anyone but isn't really defending anyone either. At least that is my opinion. 

 

I really like this post from turin

 

 

 

its that role type talk    basically i think he gets sorted by NAs 

 

Why?  He didn't claim anything.  He hinted at a PR.  Every town in this game is roled, so if he wanted to hint at VT instead lolhim.

 

 

This   it was the way he hinted it  i think he made himself a target

 

agreed here. tomorrow helps sort thane i think.

 

[seph]

ill try to get on tomorrow, but i doubt its much so i tried to put in as much work as possible for you all.
​I will be here sun for sure though :)

[dicetosser1]

The cavalry has arrived

 

slaps seph upside the back of the head

 

welcome back. 

 

Now get over to the Band and sign roll call then get back here and convince me why u shouldnt be lynched.

[Turin Turambar]

[V] Dice [/v]

 

 

That above post rings all kinds of wrong. You didn't want to lynch Lily when it was her slot but now that Seph joins (welcome Seph BTW) and has started to actually do the work people were looking for from that slot you are telling him to show why he shouldn't be lynched?

 

He is already on the way there IMO.

 

*inb4 you say you aren't voting him. it is your tone that is wrong here.

 

Out for a bit. Having a walk about Leeds.

[Eldrick4221]

Vote counts

 

Zander (2) - BFG, seph
Thane (1) - Shad

Dice (1) - Turin

Not voting: Everyone else.

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to start the Voting Phase.

Day 1 Ends on Sunday at 5pm.

[dicetosser1]

[V] Dice [/v]

 

 

That above post rings all kinds of wrong. You didn't want to lynch Lily when it was her slot but now that Seph joins (welcome Seph BTW) and has started to actually do the work people were looking for from that slot you are telling him to show why he shouldn't be lynched?

 

He is already on the way there IMO.

 

*inb4 you say you aren't voting him. it is your tone that is wrong here.

 

Out for a bit. Having a walk about Leeds.

 

what have i been saying about lily?? that i dont want to lynch her AT THIS TIME. I  even said in an earlier answer to Zander i think it was that if i had to id lynch her today    but i dont want too today

 

then theres the fact that people have been wanting to lynch lily so seph NEEDS to convince people why he shouldnt be lynched. including me.

[BFG]

 

 

 

[v]Zander[/v]

Wombatting?

 

Pretty sure that was in response to Sili though, and there aren't any roles that would have a result that early

I know that Sili replied to him after. You might be right. I was just trying to see who might want Darthe dead.

 

I'll be back in a bit. gonna catch up on Ithi's game now.

 

 

 

Not sure what you mean by Wombatting

 

I have a modest expectation for BFG.

 

I should be in and out all day.  Hopefully things pick up here a bit.

Only modest? :(

 

 

 

 

@Hallia - the reason for the vote on Zander is primarily because I didn't recall any of his stances/opinions, he'd voted you for #reasons, asked a couple of questions, and posted fluffy stuff. I also wanted to see who would react and how Zander would react; given he's said nothing... I'm not sure what to make of that.

[BFG]

I have mixed thoughts on most people at this point.

 

I feel best about Turin, he's been pretty logical to follow, I wasn't a fan of the early sheep vote, but he's been pretty open about looking at everyone.

 

Shad's difficult, most of the time I think his content's fine, but his reaction to Thane was pretty... extensive. Overall I agree with him about wondering when Thane treats NK that way, disagree to an extent about the ATE.

 

Hallia's been asking questions I would, I feel ok here, but I haven't been reading her well recently.

 

I think most of Lily's content should be treated as null if she's been sick enough to sub out, I'm not sure why so much weight is being given to her 'missing' Thane's quote the 'previous page' (and although it was talked about the previous page it wasn't quoted) when she'd ISO'd Thane after his opinion. Seph's been ok so far, although I disagree with some of his opinions.

 

Thane I keep flip flopping on, the ATE is null he's done it as both town and mafia, the change in approach to the game is largely null, Thane changes styles on purpose from time to time to make it harder to get a true meta read on him, been a while since the last shift though(!). The things I come up against are

 

Would Thane vote Shad (an active, vocal player) if Thane was mafia

 

Does Thane ever really think about a game so 'mechanically'. Does he really think Shad is mafia because he didn't die at night? But his thinking here doesn't address why Shad wouldn't be targeted by SK if mafia or by mafia if SK.

 

There have been no 'gut' reads yet or feels or 'odd' thoughts and this probably bothers me most of all.

 

Feeling worst at this point about Zander and Dice

 

Zander is primarily lack of interest (pot/kettle whatever), he's focused on Lily but not really looking elsewhere. We have up to 4 anti-town to kill and he's focused on Lily for a lack of content and then an OMGUS vote? Also not taking into account that she's been ill (although that's probably null more than anything), I just don't see Zander trying to solve here.

 

Dice is because the only 'read' he has is that he may think Turin is town (doesn't want to lynch). He doesn't want to lynch Thane because of 'mechanical' reasons and doesn't want to lynch Lily because she may be getting framed by the night kills (more on this to follow)

[BFG]

 

 

now  as to lily

 

I ve had to change my mind when i realised that Darthe was the mafia kill. I was thinking sili was and thought that too obvious  so thought it was setting lily up.

 

 

3 man solve?

 

not not not you other then that i got nothing at this point   possibly not lily

 

 

 

Is that really all you <Lily> have to comment on so far? 

 

mindmeld

 

 

 

@turin   that number 1 u asked if i answered?  i answered Zander because i said i had a thought but i didnt answer that comment of hallys cause i thought it was aimed at zander

 

the frame idea

 i had sili v lily in mind  didnt even realise darthe had commented on her. i still think her being framed is possible cause they killed DARTHE. they couldnt know that sili would die and killing darthe and leaving sili alive would mean more pressure on lily

 

 

does that make sense?

 

 

im not liking lilys play at all but i dont think shes the SK  and as i said my frame idea largely went out the window when i realised it was Darthe. 

 

I do think it still unlikely she is mafia cause like i said  mafia didnt kill the person howling for her lynch and couldnt know hed die

 

 

 

The cavalry has arrived

 

slaps seph upside the back of the head

 

welcome back. 

 

Now get over to the Band and sign roll call then get back here and convince me why u shouldnt be lynched.

 

 

 

 

[v] Dice[/v]

 

That above post rings all kinds of wrong. You didn't want to lynch Lily when it was her slot but now that Seph joins (welcome Seph BTW) and has started to actually do the work people were looking for from that slot you are telling him to show why he shouldn't be lynched?

 

He is already on the way there IMO.

 

*inb4 you say you aren't voting him. it is your tone that is wrong here.

 

Out for a bit. Having a walk about Leeds.

 

what have i been saying about lily?? that i dont want to lynch her AT THIS TIME. I  even said in an earlier answer to Zander i think it was that if i had to id lynch her today    but i dont want too today

 

then theres the fact that people have been wanting to lynch lily so seph NEEDS to convince people why he shouldnt be lynched. including me.

 

 

 

Dice can you explain how you go from thinking Lily isn't mafia because you thought mafia killed Sili to 'set her up' to thinking Lily isn't mafia because mafia didn't kill Lily?

 

Can you explain why you think an SK might not take the same approach (set someone up)?

[BFG]

Shad do you think mafia Thane calls you mafia out of the blue?

[BFG]

 

I just saw this zander. you told me you wanted me lynched for lily's vote on turin, but it wasn't until 3 pages after you already cast your vote. so I am confused.

what is the reason for this vote?

 

 

 

 

that was as dramatic as i wanted it...

 

[v] Liliy [/v]

pg 13

Upon reread, I understand what Turin said when he voted me. I didn't understand the first time through. I was really out of it yesterday. 

 

I don't think sheeping someone is a good reason to place a vote. 

 

Vote Turin

pg 16

 

 

What was my reason for my Hallia vote?  Did I ask for her opinion on Lily?  Wanted to see what shaked out from it.

 

Maybe I have my reasons for it?

 

Maybe I wanted to pressure her?

 

Maybe I seen shes done nothing then when I vote her she comes back with that vote on Turin.

 

Maybe I think shes Scum?

 

 

Why so passive aggressive? (not sure that's the term I'm looking for)

 

Why not just state your reasons, explain if you want to apply pressure, etc

 

Why aren't you being as transparent as normal?

 

 

 

 

Zanderrrrrr, LET US DO THIS.

 

ok

 

[v] Hallia [/v]

 

 

Why vote Hallia?

 

Hallia is Lily Scum iyo?

 

Why ask Hallia specifically?

 

I have no answer to that for definite. Has she done anything I think is scummy? No. Dice, I meant interesting as in I liked your point. Its thoughtful.

 

 

now  as to lily

 

I ve had to change my mind when i realised that Darthe was the mafia kill. I was thinking sili was and thought that too obvious  so thought it was setting lily up.

 

 

 

Turin, I don't understand your vote. Can you explain it in other words, please?

 

Have you said or done anything this game reads wise?

 

Im not being a jerk i just dont recall anything.

 

 

 

@ Hallia-

 

I was interested in seeing your response to it.

 

You gave a generic response which I didnt really garner anything from.

 

 

 

 

Mmmm. That's not bad logic, Shad. I could be tempted to vote Thane. But for now I'm not letting Turin off the hook just yet.

We can take all phase and see what else surfaces, but we're lynching Thane today. Capisce?

 

 

ok

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[/v] Lily [/v]

 

 

Why vote Lily in response to Shad voting Thane, what's your read on Thane?

 

 

Turin mostly MIA.

 

Lily mostly MIA.

 

Thane scummy.

 

Zander being aloof. Neutral party?

 

BFG mostly MIA but spewed non-mafia non-SK by Sili's death note unless I'm missing a mechanic.

 

Dice towny, Hallia eternally hard to read but looking better than most of the field.

 

GOAT D1 solve would be GOAT.

 

Why does my switch to Lily stick out or bother you?

 

How am I being aloof iyo?

 

 

Shad doesn't mention Lily at all? Is it something you think he should mention/have an opinion on? Do you think you're not being distant?

 

 

Well, that's disappointing. I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out what Turin meant. 

 

That's really the only thing I find suspicious so far, because I know I'm town, and I don't understand his reason for his vote.

 

 

 

I've seen a post-NK argument like that maybe 4 or 5 times and it was scum every time. Not even willing to reconsider this vote unless Thane claims Mayor.

Shad, can you quote me what you're referring to? My fuzzy brain can't find it.

 

 

 

Upon reread, I understand what Turin said when he voted me. I didn't understand the first time through. I was really out of it yesterday. 

 

I don't think sheeping someone is a good reason to place a vote. 

 

Vote Turin

 

 

 

Well, that's disappointing. I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out what Turin meant. 

 

That's really the only thing I find suspicious so far, because I know I'm town, and I don't understand his reason for his vote.

 

 

Is that really all you have to comment on so far? 

 

We should be lynching her imo.

 

 

Why?

 

 

 

[Thane Vakarian]

So, I've been thinking long and hard here. I'll put this short

 

Why on earth would it be so strange that I actually do something different for once? I remember that game when Zander changed and it was harder to read him than before. 

 

As I have said: I can be quite important for town. And NO Turin, i didn't claim anything else than town. 

 

Dice and Seph get the general idea best. They read what I type here, and don't worry about my approach.

 

BFG stated that I did change my style before to avoid meta. It's true. Hence why i took another way into the game this time. 

 

Here's what I think: The way Shad has reacted to my statement and how he's treating it since.... i haven't frozen, i'm just too damn frustrated that you people (in general) rely way too much on meta to get a read on someone.

 

By reactions to what I have done, I actually think that Shad and Turin might be non-town. Other possibility would be Zander imo. Leaves one more non-town i haven't figured out yet. Well, figured out is a big statement, I'm just trying to find the baddies here.

 

If you still think that I'm a wolf based on my play... then go ahead, lynch me. You'll find out that I haven't been lying. I can indeed be important to town, depending on several factors.

 

That'll be all. I might or might not check back before DL, it's weekend after all.