[Basic] Bolshevik Mafia - TOWN WINS

[Eldrick4221]

@Lenlo yes I'm dismissing it because I don't see how it's anything worth addressing. You took my bad typing as a slip. What could I possibly say about that? You're wrong. It was just bad typing.

 

That was sure worth discussing.

 

And you haven't said anything that caught my attention and was worth discussing. Is that a problem? Not everyone says something for each person to comment on.

[Sooh]

Sooh, to me it reads like you are saying that he would use it in game where he was mafia. Like in a different game in which his is mafia. Like not  in this game. 

 

 

I would expect If you thought he was mafia you would say something more like " He would use it here as mafia as well".  

 

 

Maybe you just don't think he is mafia tho. So do you think he is mafia? 

 

 

 

Or like I said before maybe it is just me and I'm tired from a long day.  

I think you're reading way too much into a simple sentence. 

 

He would suss people for sussing him REGARDLESS if he was scum or town. Is that better? It is what I meant to say with the previous post. 

 

I'm on the fence currently. 

 

I know he has RL things going on, but I'm not sure how much I should let that affect my reads if at all. If I don't take that into consideration then Zander has been super scummy today. If I do, then I don't know.

[Darthe]

Here we see that you say I've yet to provide reasoning for my vote of you.  However, if I merely read the two pages leading to this post I can refute your point easily.  Let's.  

 

 

 

 

Congrats Zander, you played yourself.

Blow me

This is a good time for you to ask for a replacement. Your head doesnt seem in a good place for this, you asked for the case and reasoning.

So fight me. Im more than willing to bleed.

 

 

Which youve yet to provide.  As others havent.

 

Like look back at the reasoning for yours and others.

Lay out your case on me

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Darthe [/v]

 

The post accusing me of not providing reasoning.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sooh - i am appalled at your distrust.

But, I cannot shake my own about my buddy Zander.

 

Haha there won't be retirement when we're old enough to retire silly calder

I know. That is my point. They made a big fuss at my work one day bc only 1 person (guess who) wasnt contributing to the 401-K for their free money. I responded that I dont believe in them.

1. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Economics 101. Opportunity cost. If I am getting a bit of money to put away my earned cash in a lockbox for 45 years than it aint free. I likely wont live to see it. It is like burning money.

2. Spend your money when your young enough to enjoy it.

3. [v]Zander[/v]

What distrust?

Why are you voting me?

People are just dropping votes on me without reasons.

This is alarming,

This is alarming is wolfy to say. Its fear mongering at worst, and at best its suggestive.

Yeah no need to ever worry about people dropping votes for no reasons right Darthe?

If id seen a baseless vote for.you id agree.

So far they all strike me as pretty well reasoned

 

 

What are these reasons Darthe?

 

Like show me your progression on me, or Turin's ow whoever else voted me.

 

The post initially requesting reasoning.

 

Reasons dont equate to progression. Id hesitate to answer for Turin though Im very confident that he is town this gMe, but as for myself im voting you because youve become a trainwreck today. Un momento por favor

My response for brevity.  

 

 

 

Sooh - i am appalled at your distrust.

But, I cannot shake my own about my buddy Zander.

 

Haha there won't be retirement when we're old enough to retire silly calder

I know. That is my point. They made a big fuss at my work one day bc only 1 person (guess who) wasnt contributing to the 401-K for their free money. I responded that I dont believe in them.

1. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Economics 101. Opportunity cost. If I am getting a bit of money to put away my earned cash in a lockbox for 45 years than it aint free. I likely wont live to see it. It is like burning money.

2. Spend your money when your young enough to enjoy it.

3. [v]Zander[/v]

What distrust?

Why are you voting me?

People are just dropping votes on me without reasons.

This is alarming,

I explained why this was wolfy

 

and here I say I explained it, so I went to find said explanation

 

 

 

Sooh - i am appalled at your distrust.

But, I cannot shake my own about my buddy Zander.

 

Haha there won't be retirement when we're old enough to retire silly calder

I know. That is my point. They made a big fuss at my work one day bc only 1 person (guess who) wasnt contributing to the 401-K for their free money. I responded that I dont believe in them.

1. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Economics 101. Opportunity cost. If I am getting a bit of money to put away my earned cash in a lockbox for 45 years than it aint free. I likely wont live to see it. It is like burning money.

2. Spend your money when your young enough to enjoy it.

3. [v]Zander[/v]

What distrust?

Why are you voting me?

People are just dropping votes on me without reasons.

This is alarming,

This is alarming is wolfy to say. Its fear mongering at worst, and at best its suggestive.

 

explanation confirmed

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, lets keep this simple

Why did you vote Turin?

Why are you ignoring the 3/4(?) people who have asked you this question?

I think it's just been you asking it over and over. Maybe Hally too.

The answer remains the same as it is for most of my actions in the game so far. I wanted to at that moment. Further, I couldn't give two ****s about my vote yet.

I have a question as well. Why do your questions suck so much? They lack depth or interest. They're the 6th grade homework assignment of mafia questions, the tropic slamming expected of a green player.

Also, the continuous use of the word "why" is in poor taste don't you think? They actually train psychologists to avoid the word why because it always implies judgement. Consider the difference between "Why is the trash in the house?" and "What's the reason for the trash being in the house?". It's quite substantial, so when i see someone exclusively leaning on why questions I tend to assess them as someone who is trying to create pressure where it doesn't exist.

I really do wish you had better questions.

I have literally no idea what you mean by your issue with the use of the word why

I think Kronos/Manbat/myself/maybe Hallia have questioned the reasons for your votes, the reason I'm repeating the question is because you're not answering. And at this stage the not answering is more interesting than the answer to the actual question. It's not the most interesting question in the world of ALL TIME, but I'm curious as to why you've avoided answering given that voting is one of the easiest things to hold people accountable for

it's boring and I would rather be lynched than be bored. You're frankly annoying me with it at this point given that it's understood that I vote at near random or for incredibly base reasons in parts of D1 and yet you continue to belabor this point. ARE YOU SATISFIED YOU PLIGHT OF MY SOUL?

Darthe this is a strange look from you, the AtE type posts, self describing Meta read off to me. I dont feel BFG's questions were bad, and ov they werent too bad as others have asked you as well.

Yet you liked Darthe's vote on me which was apparently due to asking him to explain his votes?

Well, thats odd.

I do like this so far.

 

Oh look, me agreeing that Zander has flawed logic. It's like I saw someone elses good point and thought "that makes sense"

 

 

 

Fair

What are your current reads?

Off the cuff without reread

Lenlo
Eldrick
Hallia

Monstr
Sooh

BFG
Turin

Thane
Calder
WBK

Darthe

Alanna

It's odd that til I started sussing you that you were supporting my votes and reasoning and I was town to you but now im suddenly at the bottom of your list.

Yall can lynch now, you have my permission

 

Look, more reasoning!  Until I sussed you you seemed to agree with me.  REASONING LOCATED

 

 

 

 

 

Fair

What are your current reads?

Off the cuff without reread

Lenlo
Eldrick
Hallia

Monstr
Sooh

BFG
Turin

Thane
Calder
WBK

Darthe

Alanna

Your list

 

again quoting so that everyone else can read a sense of progression here.  It'll make sense in a sec boo

 

Your lists are fairly similar. Theyre also really off. No idea how to describe that but I just dont but that either of you really think what is on those lists.

Makes it tough when you have one another as your main wolves. Also means town should pick one and resolve.

I have problems with your list.  RAISONS

 

I also didnt think your turnaround on me was real. You liked me and very rapidly dropped that when I sused you. I calll BS that you actually had that turnaround without showing your change.

And all of the tidbits bfg showed about severe logical inconsistency, where your points and motivations directly conflicted. That was good casework. I agreed with it.

MORE REASONS, EVEN REFERENCING EARLIER RAISONS

 

 

 

Your lists are fairly similar. Theyre also really off. No idea how to describe that but I just dont but that either of you really think what is on those lists.

Makes it tough when you have one another as your main wolves. Also means town should pick one and resolve.

Don't like this at all. It's easily possible that they are both town, and you could be trying to get us to pick between 2 townies.

2 people having each other as scum =/= one being scum.

Theyre not people, theyre Two derivative posters with several wolfy attributes each posting snipes at one another while aggressing on everyone who suggests they may not be town.


When I read your sentence with that in mind it kinda falls flat.

 

EXPLAINED POV ON TWO PLAYERS I DISAGREE WITH

It's as if I literally just posted this like 20 minutes ago and you completely ignored it to toss out a personal attack then vote me.

 

Damn, what a strange world we live in.

 

just in case it hasn't caught on yet, [v] vote zander [/v], it's the responsible choice

[Darthe]

[V] Darthe [/v]

 

Also wtl Laine.

Hey Zander, since you care about reasons how about you go after Hally for this one.  

 

Do me a solid, yeah?

[Darthe]

@Zander

 

242 I agreed that I saw where you were coming from with Darthe's behavior, but that behavior would have to hold true in more than two games. And being that I've played more games with him than you, I probably have the more accurate data.

 

288 I said I agreed with some of Turin's meta but I'm not seeing wolf!Turin here right now.

 

But You DID tell Sooh that she was scummy because she didn't question Turin's withholding of information. People do that to wait for reactions. You know this. So I'm not getting your point here. If you don't tell people how to town then why are you telling people how to town.

 

And in case you didn't notice, I'm not voting you right now because I'm not sure exactly but we're getting there.

 

 

Zander is of the opinion that anyone is town should town read him at all times. Dunno if sussing him automatically leading to him scum reading a person is necessarily good for his reads.

Im not a fan of this meta because it excuses his behavior in game. I worry that this is easily abused. Do you think thats a fair consideration?

 

Yes Darthe, I've mentioned this before as a habit from Zander, but it's exactly null because he'll use it either way.

If he is null for this then what is your negative read of him based on?

[Zander?]

Barthe what are you gonna say to people when I flip tOWN?

[Darthe]

 

 

I'm not feeling Darthe right now.

[V]Darthe [/v]

Seriously?

Seriously.

 

I'm not getting a town vibe from you. I wasn't expecting to. You are hard to read. But your reasoning doesn't line up with a town mindset imo.

 

You wouldn't know a town mindset if it slapped you in the face.   Make a case or self vote, either one would be more productive than you've managed thus far.

[Darthe]

Barthe what are you gonna say to people when I flip tOWN?

You're not flipping town.  Townies don't care about their image like you do.  They care about finding wolves.

[Darthe]

BTW, pro level response to actually seeing a case against you.  Pro.

[Darthe]

Zander: Darthe you vote wif no reason, u bad

 

Eldrick: Yeah, bad!  Bad vote zander!

 

Darthe: Reasons: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

 

Zander: I see no raisons, vote darff

 

Eldrick: yeah vote dark helmet!

 

Hally: vote dark

 

Darthe: Reasons right there ^^^ Just like, right above you guys

 

Darthe: Btw, hally no reasons.  Wat Zander say?

 

Zander: lol im town guys

[Darthe]

Someone explain the above coming from a townie.  Please.  It is beyond me.

[Darthe]

wolves are Frozen

[Turin Turambar]

Good night everyone

 

[Darthe]

I'm not feeling Darthe right now.

 

[V]Darthe [/v]

 

 

 

 

 

Congrats Zander, you played yourself.

Blow me

This is a good time for you to ask for a replacement. Your head doesnt seem in a good place for this, you asked for the case and reasoning.

 

So fight me. Im more than willing to bleed.

 

 

Which youve yet to provide.  As others havent.

 

Like look back at the reasoning for yours and others.

Lay out your case on me

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Darthe [/v]

 

 

 

[V] Darthe [/v]

 

Also wtl Laine.

 

I managed to garner 3 votes in 11 posts.

 

I clearly have a wolf in this mix.  If I were bolder I would claim to have two on me but I really hope that this group isn't that dumb.  It'd also conflict with my reads and I really need those to be solid this round for bragging rights. 

[Lenlo]

@Lenlo yes I'm dismissing it because I don't see how it's anything worth addressing. You took my bad typing as a slip. What could I possibly say about that? You're wrong. It was just bad typing.

 

That was sure worth discussing.

 

And you haven't said anything that caught my attention and was worth discussing. Is that a problem? Not everyone says something for each person to comment on.

Werent you the person who voted and pushed Kronos because of a "slip"? Why are you dismissing my caught slip?

[Darthe]

Eldrick's level of derp town borders on literal disbelief.

 

I'm legitimately having a difficult time imagining that he performs this poorly.  

 

So Len if you wouldn't mind could you be a dear and case this kid?  I'm really interested in seeing what you find.

[Calder]

@Darthe

 

 

That was a flurry of rallying votes against you. I feel like this is semi-stuck until we get some fresh blood in the mix.

[Hallia]

I was voting you before in this game, I'm still seeing scumDarthe, say what you will

[Sooh]

I didn't really like Zander's vote as number 2 on Darthe. It was as if he was waiting for someone to vote first, and then when he saw that, he voted. 

[Darthe]

Wait wait wait... How does a person who thinks giving a pass on this is okay

@Lenlo yes I'm dismissing it because I don't see how it's anything worth addressing. You took my bad typing as a slip. What could I possibly say about that? You're wrong. It was just bad typing.

That was sure worth discussing.

And you haven't said anything that caught my attention and was worth discussing. Is that a problem? Not everyone says something for each person to comment on.

 

but that giving a pass on me not unvoting is absolutely out of the question?

 

 

I'm not feeling Darthe right now.
[V]Darthe [/v]

Seriously?

Seriously.

I'm not getting a town vibe from you. I wasn't expecting to. You are hard to read. But your reasoning doesn't line up with a town mindset imo.

 

 

Because let's not mince words here.  His argument that my reasoning doesn't line up with a town mindset only points to one thing, the only interaction we've had.  It's that I said I didn't care about my vote early D1 and my insistence on dragging him around when he asked about it.

 

This actually bugs me.  I have no idea whether it's alignment indicative or not and (maybe this is cockiness) I have a difficult time assuming that someone with as weak a game as Eldrick has would actually come after me if he randed wolf.  I'm flummoxed.

[Calder]

I didn't really like Zander's vote as number 2 on Darthe. It was as if he was waiting for someone to vote first, and then when he saw that, he voted. 

 

I don't view the vote to be as bad as the Darth suspicion only emerging upon Darthe taking issue with Zander. He flipped his read quickly,

[alannalynn]

@Laine - Meh, unwillingness to read that short of a post grouping seems silly to me, especially since I address you in there.  I suppose I could sum up your part.  I disliked your differing opinion on the whole Eldrick no lynch thing where you say one thing in one post and the opposite the next post.  You tried laughing it off when addressed, but that was even worse.  I have you as WTL at the moment with Sooh

The first statement was true: I don't care about no lynch and I'm not going to get wound up about it, it sometimes can have benefits, whatever. The second one was a joke, as stated, you can't lynch a wolf with no lynch.

 

Do you think that opinions on a No Lynch are alignment indicative?

 

It may not be. Can just skim for Zander posts about Laine and get most of the way there.

You think Zander's posts about me will give you an accurate picture of my game thus far?

 

Check the post counts, the in thread reads and content and the overall attitude of both me and Laine

 

Which of us would you characterize as being the one less invested in the game?

Woah woah woah. Hold up right there Monstr. I know you have a busy life as do I, that directly influences my game. You know this. Don't come in here saying that my commitment is alignment indicative because I can be lazy af as town or mafia and I can be highest poster as town or mafia. I can have bad reads as town or mafia. And I have have a shitty attitude as town or mafia.

 

Just to get this out: I work 6pm-430am Friday-Monday (I leave at 5pm, get home 5am), I have overtime days on either Tuesday or Thursday (Thurs this week). I have classes Monday/Wednesday 8am-230pm and volunteer work Friday 8am-noon. By the time Tuesday comes around, generally I've been awake for 30 hours and I'm not functioning. Keep this in mind when I'm not available during those times. Thank you.

 

[unvote][v]Laine[/v]

 

Still suspect of Eld, but Laines catchup and reads list has me confused and not feeling good.

 

Sooh was weird with her hally progression but the votes also piled onto her fast. It was disconcerting that she suddenly got half way to a lynch. The counter point to that being, only 7 people are needed to lynch and three isn't all that much. Dunno. if Sooh ends up flipping town I think one of those 3 on her is a wolf though. I just get the feeling they would want to get on early without clumping their teams votes up.

What did you not like? I just need a little more explanation.

[Darthe]

@Darthe

 

 

That was a flurry of rallying votes against you. I feel like this is semi-stuck until we get some fresh blood in the mix.

Yeah it was.  Townies don't do that mid-day.  I can accept that two might, but not three.  I think I bit a wolf in the ass and it started howling to get me off it.

[Darthe]

Laine im not reading your latest post.  Sorry.