[Standard] Chrono Trigger Mafia - Town wins Day 5!

[Andrej]

Further more, I have explained why I didn't vote Tina. She was a potential vote for me pending info. By the time Verb finally responded she had posted more as well and I thought neither were vote worthy when I read up this morning.

 

You don't seem to want to address or process this info. If you don't believe me then tell me as much, but don't ignore it. You are using generic BS to enforce your opinion without taking the sequence of events into consideration.

[Turin Turambar]

On phone so no mq or colours.

 

Tina: strong townie- her game started out right once I figured out she was talking to Nolder and not dice. Still asking the right questions and following her beliefs.

 

Verb: townie- has some unique points of view I think but his thought process seems logical.

 

Zander: townie- He has been looking at the entire game and I feel he is really trying to solve.

 

Lenlo: light townie- he feels sincere in his attempt to understand Hallia and her varying read on him. I don't recall much else tho tbh.

 

Leelou: null> light townie: don't like she didn't have a serious vote down but stuff does happen. If you had been able to vote in last hour who would you have picked?

 

Yates: mixed/null- I will never be able to read him D1. I see helpful Yates. I know he would be helpful either way. I need to reread him. That ain't happening until Monday tho.

 

AJ: mixed - I like that he has been present and active even tho it isn't alignment indicative. He seems to be taking things into consideratio. I don't like his characterization of Hallia as LHF. I think those days are well behind us.

 

Nolder: null> mafia- the thing with Tina was Not good. My only thing about it was I originally misread Tina's post also. So I may be cutting a bit too.much slack. I also just saw him get destroyed for being "Derp" in a game he was town.

 

Thane: mafia- I get he is busy but he came in and posted that he was basically abdicating his vote on D1 with tied trains and time ticking down. If you didn't like either train then vote elsewhere. Maybe it at least prompts discussion.

 

Hallia: mafia- the entire wtl vs read lists. inconsistency in the Lenlo situation. Her problem with Len seemed to Boil down to disagreement over dice. People will disagree about other people. people will be wrong about other people. It isn't alignment indicative.

[Nolder]

Where is my case on Tina?

You said her timing was weird or something. I don't know and don't really care what your case on her was.

 

You're saying that I encouraged people to vote her. That's not factual is heavily sided with your personal beliefs. You are placing wrongful intent to my statements because your mind is already made up. You are not being objective.

 

You have already proven that you haven't read the thread as carefully as you probably should. I ask you to restart and look over it again and see where you stand at that point.

I clearly remember you saying Tina would make a good wagon. And then you never voted her. That's nudging a train.

 

My other suggestion would be to start formulating other reads. I seem to be your focus atm, so I want you to spend some time thinking about how you feel on other players. I have no idea where you stand currently.

Don't worry about my reads bro worry about yourself because the hammer gonna drop on you hard tomorrow. 

 

Further more, I have explained why I didn't vote Tina. She was a potential vote for me pending info. By the time Verb finally responded she had posted more as well and I thought neither were vote worthy when I read up this morning.

 

You don't seem to want to address or process this info. If you don't believe me then tell me as much, but don't ignore it. You are using generic BS to enforce your opinion without taking the sequence of events into consideration.

I thought I made it clear I didn't care, sorry it had to be spelled out.

[Nolder]

AJ RIGHT NOW

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxYgarv-9yg

[Thane Vakarian]

aha, so I am seem as scummy for not voting D1? Not giving a reads list? If one would have read my posts, one would have known my opinion. I even explained why i saw certain people as town and the rest null. So, accusations on that, I call nonsense. You're either unable to read what I post, or purposefully trying to make me look bad. 

 

Not voting Dice? I had him town (and i was right). Not voting AJ? i think he is town too, which still has to be confirmed, one way or another. Voting someone else with little hope of other people doing so? Don't think it's quite that useful. Hallia didn't vote me, for instance, seeing she thought it had little chance of succeeding. Yet I'm being called out for it.... interesting.

 

Verbal didn't change, 'cause he saw no reason to. Hybrid hammer and all. Would he have changed if it weren't hybrid-hammer? I don't know. Care to answer, Verbal?

 

Dice wasn't around. Too bad. We'll have to see now what we can learn. I fear not much....

 

Leelou didn't vote either. Did she have suspects listed somewhere? Would be nice to know what she makes of the flip and tell us why she didn't vote.

 

To investigate tomorrow: Hallia, Turin, Verbal.

 

That, however, doesn't mean that other players shouldn't be looked into. I agree with Verbal that wolves have done a good D1, they hide well. (That's basically what i said in my last post D1, actually) 

 

Good night all, sleep well and wake. Can't wait for this night to be over and get to wrek

[Turin Turambar]

Hallia stated she was willing to let dice swing so her lack of vote was a default dice vote. You are saying you thought him town. I know if it was me I would have at least voted who.I thought was mafia. You basically just said you aren't playing until day 2.

 

Verb was hoping someone else would join the AJ train so that is understandable.

 

Leelou flat out wasn't there.

 

Your entire post there looks like "why me?"

 

I think you are hiding behind the "d1 is useless" thing. If everyone played that way it would be groundhog day Cause nothing would happen.

 

I'm out for next 36-48 hours or so. Wife weekend. See you then.

[Thane Vakarian]

If you would have read closely, you would know that D1 isn't useless. Well, in general. But in this game, it's hard to find the wolves, they are and have been playing well. 

 

I do try to get some thoughts out D1, but D2, with the flips, is when the fun really starts. That's just my point of view. 

 

ftr: if it does look like "why me?", that's good. If other players think me scummy for things other players do as well, but do not voice concern on the other players, it could mean something.  

[Zander?]

 

Honestly, I have a deep wolf feeling from Verb that I can't shake.

Is it really deepwolf if you have him in your nulls?

 

 

 

Len you seem to be all over Hallia for just about everything she says.

 

What are you reading her as?

 

I think youre arguing with her over small stuffs, like meaning and terms and really is kind of semantics talk imo.

[Verbal32]

Town:

Yates - For the reasons Verb finds him suspect, I find him towny. Helpful in a good way, engaged.

Zander - On par for his usual town self. I caught him his one time as wolf. I feel that his game is thrown off when he is, and I don't see it here.

Tina - I feel like she handled herself very well vs the Nolder thing.

AndreJ - General town vibe. As I have said in my catch up, he is engaged in thread, and I can follow his thought process.

Turin - Not as high a town vibe, but he hasn't been as active as he has been. Initial postings were reasonable.

Leelou - Initial vibe was town. I know she's busy this weekend, when she is back I would like more.

 

Town to Null:

Lenlo - The willingness to actually go back and forth with me regarding the lists is something I don't know that he would do as wolf.

 

Unsure:

Verb - Call it a gut vibe, what have you. I feel he could be deep wolf.

 

Null to Scummy

Thane - The way he came in pre-deadline came off as very sketchy to me.

Nolder - The Tina thing, I can't shake off as him just not seeing four people or so saying the same thing about Tina.

You were saying before my thoughts on Yates gave you reservations.....and now you're ok with him BECAUSE of my thoughts?

 

Like, what?

[Zander?]

 

It is. He's not in my null list for my reads list. He just was on my wtl

Calling BS.

 

Show me.

 

 

Ill look for this as well but are you familiar with Hallia's game at all.  Sometimes she doesnt explain super clearly but do you actually think she has an agenda behind it or is it quite possible the former?

 

Hallia, make the explanation good, because my ISO on you tomorrow is going to look bad for you.

 

Like........really bad.

 

Resorting to threatening the mean green jellybean are you???!!!

 

 

I think you both are barking up the wrong tree.

 

I have to agree with AJ here.

[Verbal32]

Yes Zander, I'm familiar with Hallia. I was here when she started playing, and I've seen her game evolve.

[Verbal32]

Thanks for the Spidey, btw.

 

;-)

[Zander?]

Town:

Yates - For the reasons Verb finds him suspect, I find him towny.  Helpful in a good way, engaged.

Zander - On par for his usual town self.  I caught him his one time as wolf.  I feel that his game is thrown off when he is, and I don't see it here.

Tina - I feel like she handled herself very well vs the Nolder thing.

AndreJ - General town vibe.  As I have said in my catch up, he is engaged in thread, and I can follow his thought process.

Turin - Not as high a town vibe, but he hasn't been as active as he has been.  Initial postings were reasonable.

Leelou - Initial vibe was town.  I know she's busy this weekend, when she is back I would like more.

 

Town to Null:

Lenlo - The willingness to actually go back and forth with me regarding the lists is something I don't know that he would do as wolf.

 

Unsure:

Verb - Call it a gut vibe, what have you.  I feel he could be deep wolf.

 

Null to Scummy

Thane - The way he came in pre-deadline came off as very sketchy to me.

Nolder - The Tina thing,  I can't shake off as him just not seeing four people or so saying the same thing about Tina.

 

 

Hallia can you try and explain your progression on Yates and Verb as clearly as you can?  Maybe it will help people get a clearer read on you.

[Verbal32]

Btw, now you're playing mediator.

[Zander?]

How is Verb a deep wolf of he's not even out of her null pile? That's my issue here. I don't get it.

 

Dude Ive seen readlists (and have done so myself) where a player was a green Town read but is still a deepwolf candidate.  Like its like...I have player X has a Town read but if im wrong on someone this guys it kinda thing,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Earlier when I asked Turin if he had any reads he said he had Tina as a town lean because "she was asking real questions" I didn't really probe at the time but after looking at her post again to fact check myself in case I was the one mistaken regarding Nolder's argument, I realized what Turin was talking about. The question actually is pretty sharp and it's something I'd like Nolder to answer.

 

The timing bugged me, as I've said. It also a little meta based because I don't think Tina is particularly comfortable playing as scum and I've caught her before in the past after awkward exchanges. It just weirded me out, I really can't explain it better.

This sounds like you agree with me. But you defended her.

 

You want to make up your mind and stop playing both sides of this situation?

 

 

Can you expand a bit on this.  Im looking for something and I want to hear you elaborate please.

 

Sure, it's pretty simple.

 

He said she would be a good wagon.

He never voted her.

 

That is playing both sides of the lynch. He's encouraging others to vote her by calling it a good wagon but he isn't putting his own neck on the line, presumably so he doesn't have to take responsibility for getting her lynched if it came to that.

 

 

 

 

Changing facts to suit your confirmation bias. Quote me where I am telling others to vote her.

 

I never encouraged anyone to vote Tina. That was you, actually. On false information nonetheless.

 

I said it was something I could get behind. Me - singular. No, I never voted her and I have explained already that I was waiting on Verb to respond to me before I decided whether or not I wanted my vote to stick. I can't help that he wasn't around to do so and I can only vote one suspect at a time.

 

You need to pull your head out of whatever hole you've dug it in and start broadening your scope here, bro. I'm not scum.

 

But the bold is correct tho. 

 

So I can see where thats coming from.

 

I think the whole you and Nol situation is...interesting...odd...weird....something that needs looking into.

 

My other suggestion would be to start formulating other reads. I seem to be your focus atm, so I want you to spend some time thinking about how you feel on other players. I have no idea where you stand currently.

 

I do agree here.  Id like to see all the players who havent done one yet provide a reads list.

[Lenlo]

Zander she doesn't have Verb as a light green town read though. Your shifting what she said to defend her. She has verb as a null deep wolf candidate.

[Zander?]

Yes Zander, I'm familiar with Hallia. I was here when she started playing, and I've seen her game evolve.

 

So do you think theres a chance shes scum Verb?  Ive seen her both Scum and Town and Ive only been wrong on her once when she was Town and have caught her as Scum.  The one time I was wrong was in a recent game after she PR'd Like a Boss in GnD and got PR again and played differently.  Hallia's not a hard read imo.

 

Thanks for the Spidey, btw.

 

;-)

 

You're welcome.

 

 

Btw, now you're playing mediator.

 

See first response

[Hallia]

Thanks Zander. At least I know someone gets what I'm trying to say.

[Zander?]

Zander she doesn't have Verb as a light green town read though. Your shifting what she said to defend her. She has verb as a null deep wolf candidate.

 

 

I think were arguing semantics like a mentioned.  Does it matter where its listed?  Like if someone who is green can be a deepwolf why cant someone you cant get a handle on be one as well, especially if that someone is a pretty damn good player?

 

I dunno I think shes taking grief over nothing.

 

*shrugs*

 

 

Thanks Zander. At least I know someone gets what I'm trying to say.

 

 

I speak fluent Secret Canadian Poutine Lover!!!!

 

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[Lenlo]

Because It's not a deepwolf then ffs! If position doesn't matter why can't I have a red wolf read and think that persons a deepwolf to? Like oh Eldrick an outted, cop viewed wolf. He's also a deepwolf!

 

It makes no sense. Deepqolves are essentially town reads or there's nothing "deep" about them

[Nolder]

Because It's not a deepwolf then ffs! If position doesn't matter why can't I have a red wolf read and think that persons a deepwolf to? Like oh Eldrick an outted, cop viewed wolf. He's also a deepwolf!

 

It makes no sense. Deepqolves are essentially town reads or there's nothing "deep" about them

That's deep bro.

[Lenlo]

Deeeeeeeeeeeep

[Nolder]

[Hallia]

Whateeeeeever then.  I used the wrong terminology?  OH MY GOD THAT'S A FIRSTTTT

[Nolder]

I like your new avatar Hallia.