[Standard] Chrono Trigger Mafia - Town wins Day 5!

[Leelou]

 

 

 

 

Hnnng. Verb’s catching up and points on AJ are making me doubt myself there, but I am keeping an open mind.

What does this mean?

On that page, you make some good points with regards to AJ, but I am hesitant to go against my gut.

 

 

Which points do you find good, and why? 

 

 

I just cringed when I read this post.  Why?

 

 

I feel like she's floating a bit. I'd like to actually see her thought process on things. 

[Hallia]

 

 

 

 

 

Why are we talking about tone reading as if it's a foreign concept?

We aren't?  Nobody is saying it is bad, and we all know what it is.  I don't know why you felt the need to ask this question, though?

Mostly because I don't get your line of questioning or what you think you're going to accomplish with it.

Do you think it's alignment indicative for Dice, or do you just disagree with the premise in general?

 

 

Mostly that.

 

 

 

 

I'd like to double down on my Tina vote and call for more votes on her.

She didn't even react when I voted her, completely ignored it.

Thought maybe she just missed it but she ended up posting more later so I don't see how she could have.

 

Ignoring the vote reads to me like she's nervous and doesn't want to discuss buddying.

Maybe I actually hit the nail on the head there lol who knows?

Anyway if I'm right more votes will obviously make her more nervous and force her to address it.

 

Anyone with me?

 

I'm pretty sure she did address this.

 

You should all change your avatars to Mario Kart characters.

 

Do it.

 

Don't tell me what to do!!!!

 

@Nolder - Tina did address your vote fwiw.

That said its a wagon I could potentially get behind.

 

Did you have a reason to suss Tina or is this just to start a wagon?

 

 

This bothered me, and subsequent posts have made it worse.  (not for you, Z)

 

 

 

 

I'm not protecting Tina, I'm just making sure your facts are straight bro. Why would I join a wagon based on a case that isn't even factual?

I have explained already I had a light suss on Tina that isn't related to anything you're talking about. My current vote is on Verb and I'm waiting on some responses from him before I decide what I want to do from there.

 

I'm not sure I recall this.  I think your explanations came pouring in once Nolder started in on you.  At first I totally agreed with your initial stance on Nolder misreading Tina's post.......but the way you defended yourself seems a little....frantic.  You then pushed out in multiple directions in what looks to be an attempt to deflect attention elsewhere.

 

 

 

I want to see Nolder respond to my questions. That was a pretty bad mistake he made earlier and I know it's kind of his scum play to pull stuff like that. Act confused, etc.

 

I would agree with Nolder's scum play there, but he's explained how he misread Tina's post and how it wasn't clear for him.....and reading the exchange again, I can kinda see where he's coming from.

 

 

 

Summary:  I've got a town lean on Nolder and based on his responses, a scum lean on AJ.  I feel like Zander had some of the same observations that I did when I read through, but I haven't landed on a read for him yet.

 

 

[v]AJ[/v]

 

 

 

How is my post different than others in the game. For example Dice answer to my vote? 

 

hi Tina hugs  hows u?

 

 

Do i have to lynch you this game?

 

Why did you decide to vote me?

 

 

Here is the post from Tina that Nolder misread.  While I know it was literally the next post, she does ask the question directly after quoting Dice.....so I can understand Nolder missing that.

 

Honestly this looks to me like Nolder casing AJ based on something that wasn't actually true, but AJ responding in a way that exposed himself.

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty random.

Like idk why she would want his analysis on me specifically atp?

Or why it came up in general

 

 

 

Just generally kind of a weird topic to bring up.

 

Someone else asked why? So I don´t have to. 

 

Pretty random.

Like idk why she would want his analysis on me specifically atp?

Or why it came up in general

 

I was talking to Dice and I remember him saying that he could read you well and managed to catch you as mafia after just one post. There are several people in this game that are good at reading each other and I think it´s good to hear what they have to say. 

 

current spot reads

 

Leelou Town 

 

Aj  probably town

 

So here is the first impression. I´ll see what you think later. (I had thought I would wake up to more pages and more to judge from. Not that I´m complaining, fewer pages will make it easier for me to play.)

 

 

 

 

[v]Tina[/v]

 

Cuz I feel like it. 

 

 

*hugs Leelou*

 

Cuz I feel like it. 

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty random.

Like idk why she would want his analysis on me specifically atp?

Or why it came up in general

I was talking to Dice and I remember him saying that he could read you well and managed to catch you as mafia after just one post. There are several people in this game that are good at reading each other and I think it´s good to hear what they have to say.

Fair response. I just found it strange to ask about me only at that time.

And ftr, I was actually a SK in that game

 

 

 

 

To AJ:
 
I'm not really liking Dice right now about his LOL Zander push. Felt like using a jokey thing to fuel a real push. would like to hear what he has to say about it. 
 
Not much else has caught my eye. I thought something was weird about Tina but that was me misunderstanding. I actually am leaning a bit more town with her right now because she is asking real questions. It is small but there. 
 
most of the rest of it seems to be just joking about. 
 
Wary of you as always. but nothing to justify it yet, so just watching. 
 
How about you?

I see the point you make on Dice, though I think it's kind of become a running joke from previous games? Btw, I won't answer for Dice the question you asked earlier but I'm pretty sure that I could lol. He seems okay to me for now. I'll reevaluate once we move out of the joking phase.

Tina gave me a slight ping for her question earlier but we'll see as she progresses. I feel pretty confident in my ability to sniff her out as scum if that's the case.

I get a general good vibe from Leelou.

Zander is more quiet than I'm used to but that could be his new play style?

Lenlo gave me a slight ping earlier which is probably nothing but I want to see more out of him.

 

 

@AJ:  I just don't see how Tina's question to (Dice I think) would still ping you after her response, which you labeled as "fair".

 

It really seems like you're making something out of nothing in order to defend against Nolder.  Nolder's attack was poor based on his reading of Tina's post, but I think your response to that attack was even worse.  Like, he was going after Tina, and then you kinda just jumped in front.  Really weird.

 

 

 

 

 

How is my post different than others in the game. For example Dice answer to my vote? 

 

hi Tina hugs  hows u?

 

 

Do i have to lynch you this game?

 

Why did you decide to vote me?

 

 

Here is the post from Tina that Nolder misread.  While I know it was literally the next post, she does ask the question directly after quoting Dice.....so I can understand Nolder missing that.

 

Honestly this looks to me like Nolder casing AJ based on something that wasn't actually true, but AJ responding in a way that exposed himself.

 

 

Correction:  Nolder voted Tina for something that was inaccurate, but then AJ did his thang.

 

 

 

 

Verb lays out some pretty good arguments.  But my initial and continuing read on AJ compels me to believe he is still town.

[Hallia]

How am I floating?  I'm putting reads out, backing my opinions up with quotes where applicable, and actually taking a stance on subjects.  This is not floating.

[Leelou]

 

I'm going to try to pop in before deadline to vote, but I'm not sure what is on the agenda for today.

 

People I'm not willing to vote today: Verbal, Tina, Nolder and Turin. Yates is creeping his way into that list.

 

Why not Nolder and Tina Lee?

 

 

I have a town vibe from Tina's posts and I wasn't liking the pushes on her. Nolder feels slightly townish with his most recent posts. 

[Zander?]

Will not vote:  Yates, Zander, Leelou, Dice, Tina, Turin

 

Probably will not vote unless someone changes my mind: AJ

 

Null: Thane, Verb

 

Could vote: Nolder/Lenlo

 

Please expand on Tina and Lenlo and Turin.

 

Tina and Turin I have a hard time reading.  I have a hard time reading Nolder as well but I can get where thats coming from.  And Lenlo's catchup has been pretty alright imo

[Andrej]

Turin asked how my reevaluation of Dice is different from yours on me, unless I misunderstood.

 

I.E. - from Turin's POV how is mine not scummy and yours is?

 

I think that's a pretty spot on comment from his outside perspective and it makes me town read him a little more.

[Niniel]

 

Then stop pussy footing and give one.

I think by now you should have one, one way or another.

 

 

Why should I have one by now?  You havent been normal Boss Town!AJ self atp.

 

I dont know if that necessarily make you scum or not yet as you havent played here in awhile.

 

But I will do as you ask

 

AJ- ???

 

 

But tbh I have some concerns and reservations.  I dont think youve been overly Towny or overly Scummy.  AJ are you 3rd party perhaps?

Ill have a reads list after i get a chance to go back over things.

Did you mention the boss townAJ thing before Yates brought up that he thinks AJ isn't aggressive enough?

 

  

I like that Verbal back. I'm fine with Zander, he's been working on his post count lately which means he's simply not going to be as talkative as people expect. I'm fine with that.

Nolder bugged me with his sudden Z switch of focus from Tina to AJ. Didn't feel like there was alot of buildup, just boom. I'm on AJ now.

[V]Dice [/v]

Dice is my go to atm.

 

 

Where is your case on Dice? Genuine question. Just give me a post number.

 

 

Still waiting on Hallia to explain that Yates spot read thing. There was no definitive space showing it was a joke or whatnot in her post that she asked me to look for, she even listed him first. So...was that whole post a joke or were the 2 townish ones real?

 

 

Do you find this scummy? In what way?

 

 

Cutting back on quotes as I get closer to current page.  Makes it easier that way.

 

P15

I like Tina’s catch up.  I think she responded in a towny way.

P16&17

 

I think I am actually going to add Yates to my town pile for legit for now. 

Hnnng.  Verb’s catching up and points on AJ are making me doubt myself there, but I am keeping an open mind.  Also AJ’s read on Zander, I don’t like this.

 

P18:  Annnddd I don’t like Len’s vote on Dice at all.

 

I agree with Yates; AJ is not an easy read at the moment.  I want him to be town, though.

 

P 20

What say you now Leelou?

 

 

Still waiting on Hallia to explain that Yates spot read thing. There was no definitive space showing it was a joke or whatnot in her post that she asked me to look for, she even listed him first. So...was that whole post a joke or were the 2 townish ones real?

 

Why do you want AJ to be town? Why don't you like Len's vote on Dice?

[Turin Turambar]

dinner time. back in an hour or so.

[Verbal32]

Why am I not recalling this Lenlo/Dice/Hallia triangle?

[Hallia]

 

Will not vote:  Yates, Zander, Leelou, Dice, Tina, Turin

 

Probably will not vote unless someone changes my mind: AJ

 

Null: Thane, Verb

 

Could vote: Nolder/Lenlo

 

Please expand on Tina and Lenlo and Turin.

 

Tina and Turin I have a hard time reading.  I have a hard time reading Nolder as well but I can get where thats coming from.  And Lenlo's catchup has been pretty alright imo

 

Tina: With the whole thing regarding Nolder, I feel like it was misdirection on his part.  She reads as town to me in her catch ups as well.

 

Turin - His posts have been logical and reasonable, I get where he is coming from.

 

Lenlo - Mainly disagree on the Dice vote.  I think Dice is town, and with what I've seen from Lenlo this game, it is reminding me of his scum game.

[Lenlo]

I never made a full blown case on Dice. I have mentioned in multiple places that he is off though and doesn't feel like town!Dice. He's more neutral which isn't good. Also a number of his posts have just been weird to me. Like the Zander joke.

[Verbal32]

 

 

I'm going to try to pop in before deadline to vote, but I'm not sure what is on the agenda for today.

 

People I'm not willing to vote today: Verbal, Tina, Nolder and Turin. Yates is creeping his way into that list.

 

Why not Nolder and Tina Lee?

 

 

I have a town vibe from Tina's posts and I wasn't liking the pushes on her. Nolder feels slightly townish with his most recent posts. 

 

 

Did anybody other than Nolder push her?

[Niniel]

 

 

Tina it wasn't clear to me that that post was directed at me.

That's really all I can say about that. In the future you should probably just quote me or at least use my name in your post.

Anyway to be clear my vote on you was just letting loose on the first person that did anything I could think of an excuse to vote for, I don't have any real reason to think you're scummy currently.

As far as I'm concerned we're cool.

 

AJ on the other hand isn't making sense to me.

He both defended you and said you'd make a good wagon and now he's trying his best to discredit me.

I fully support your vote on him. Dude is acting slimey and needs to hang.

 

  

Okay. I get it. And next time I will quote you. Probably. If I remember...

 

Dice: I find him scummy. The only thing he has done so far is joking about voting Zander and given "spot reads" and then clarifying/defending spot reads. After my request he agreed with AJ that it was a bit weird. Later he had him as townish because of town. In a vague way. When Turin asked if it was because of certain posts he said it was more the tone. I get that spot reads means tone reads but it felt like he brought him up just because I asked him and with the vague " townish". I don't know how to explain this but it felt he felt forced to say something because of my request.

AJ has said Dice looks town but recently he said to Turin that he is not against a Tina or a Dice lynch. Maybe that says more about AJ? Anyway, Dice is suspect for not doing much although posting.

Turin: I have a strong town lean on Turin. He tried to understand me and have asked a lot of good questions.

Thane: I don't understand his vote on me. Is it a pressure vote for me to get back to the game? Will he unvote now that I'm here? I'm not really getting a scummy feeling because scumThane are usually more spammy as mafia. He could of course have changed his play.Verbal: suspect because of posting without contributing. Asking a lot about spot reads but the answers doesn't seem to get him anywhere.

More in next post.

 

 

I dont know if Tina's actually seeing what others are seeing or just regurgitating what others have already said.

 

Not sure if I'm agreeing with others but I meant it.

 

 

Once again - my whole intent was to make Nolder recognize that the reason he doubled down wasn't true. I stated it passively at first, and even showed him a quote, to then which then which he immediately attacked me over. My response, if anything, was a bit emotive as I ramped up in a sort of "are you kidding me?" way.

I had my own reasons to be leery of Tina, unrelated to Nolder, which is why I said I could support it.I used "fair" to describe her response for a reason. I didn't say it was good or it was bad. That's basically the only way she could answer my question reasonably and I have consistently maintained that her doing it in the first place has bugged me. Tina doing weird stuff = scum!Tina in my experience.

 

 

You say that "fair" does not mean "good" or "bad", but you have to admit that your choice of words (especially stating she answered "reasonably") infers pretty heavily that you thought the answer was......good.

 

And Tina doing weird stuff is par for the course in my experience.  She's unpredictable, which one might equate to "weird stuff".....but it is normal Tina to me.

 

 

^ all of this doesn't shape a read on Tina.  I'm still a little stuck on you for how emphatic you pushed back @ Nolder.

I'm not doing weird things. But Sometimes I have a problem with explaining myself and the language makes it weird sometimes.

You are posting more now. It seems like you mentioned the same things about AJ as me but not referring to my posts. If I understood it right you don't have a read on me at all?

About that Zander thing I talked abou before:

In # 51 AJ said that my post was weird. In the next post Zander asked him why. AJ said it felt random and Zander's answer was then "fair enough". He then dropped it. Later when others talked about it he started to question AJ about it again. Like he hadn't dropped it already.

 

You're right, I don't have a very good read on you right now....but I'll say the last part of this post makes me feel good.  You pointing out small details that bothered you is something I associate with townie behavior.

 

Gun to head:  a slight town lean on you

Ok.

[Zander?]

 

Dice: I find him scummy. The only thing he has done so far is joking about voting Zander and given "spot reads" and then clarifying/defending spot reads. After my request he agreed with AJ that it was a bit weird. Later he had him as townish because of town. In a vague way. When Turin asked if it was because of certain posts he said it was more the tone. I get that spot reads means tone reads but it felt like he brought him up just because I asked him and with the vague " townish". I don't know how to explain this but it felt he felt forced to say something because of my request.

AJ has said Dice looks town but recently he said to Turin that he is not against a Tina or a Dice lynch. Maybe that says more about AJ? Anyway, Dice is suspect for not doing much although posting.

Turin: I have a strong town lean on Turin. He tried to understand me and have asked a lot of good questions.

Thane: I don't understand his vote on me. Is it a pressure vote for me to get back to the game? Will he unvote now that I'm here? I'm not really getting a scummy feeling because scumThane are usually more spammy as mafia. He could of course have changed his play.Verbal: suspect because of posting without contributing. Asking a lot about spot reads but the answers doesn't seem to get him anywhere.

More in next post.

 

I dont know if Tina's actually seeing what others are seeing or just regurgitating what others have already said.

 

 

Not sure if I'm agreeing with others but I meant it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

About that Zander thing I talked abou before:

In # 51 AJ said that my post was weird. In the next post Zander asked him why. AJ said it felt random and Zander's answer was then "fair enough". He then dropped it. Later when others talked about it he started to question AJ about it again. Like he hadn't dropped it already.

 

 

What you said is pretty much verbatim to what others had said.

 

 

I did say it was fair at that point and I did go back and did a reread and questioned it. Its not like once more stuff comes up things that may not have seemed like something at the time can actually be something?

 

What exactly bother you about this and what is current read on me?

[Niniel]

I never made a full blown case on Dice. I have mentioned in multiple places that he is off though and doesn't feel like town!Dice. He's more neutral which isn't good. Also a number of his posts have just been weird to me. Like the Zander joke.

So this is what you don't like, Hally?

[Leelou]

 

 

 

I'm going to try to pop in before deadline to vote, but I'm not sure what is on the agenda for today.

 

People I'm not willing to vote today: Verbal, Tina, Nolder and Turin. Yates is creeping his way into that list.

 

Why not Nolder and Tina Lee?

 

 

I have a town vibe from Tina's posts and I wasn't liking the pushes on her. Nolder feels slightly townish with his most recent posts. 

 

 

Did anybody other than Nolder push her?

 

 

Indirectly AJ with his post about being able to vote Tina. It felt like he was waiting for more of a train to build before switching. 

 

I have to go now, I'll try to check back in later. 

[Hallia]

Why am I not recalling this Lenlo/Dice/Hallia triangle?

Its funny because I normally scumread both.

[Lenlo]

 

I never made a full blown case on Dice. I have mentioned in multiple places that he is off though and doesn't feel like town!Dice. He's more neutral which isn't good. Also a number of his posts have just been weird to me. Like the Zander joke.

So this is what you don't like, Hally?

She's already stated what she doesn't like. That it apparently came from "nowhere"

[Lenlo]

 

 

Will not vote: Yates, Zander, Leelou, Dice, Tina, Turin

 

Probably will not vote unless someone changes my mind: AJ

 

Null: Thane, Verb

 

Could vote: Nolder/Lenlo

Please expand on Tina and Lenlo and Turin.

 

Tina and Turin I have a hard time reading. I have a hard time reading Nolder as well but I can get where thats coming from. And Lenlo's catchup has been pretty alright imo

Tina: With the whole thing regarding Nolder, I feel like it was misdirection on his part. She reads as town to me in her catch ups as well.

 

Turin - His posts have been logical and reasonable, I get where he is coming from.

 

Lenlo - Mainly disagree on the Dice vote. I think Dice is town, and with what I've seen from Lenlo this game, it is reminding me of his scum game.

Explain how? Cause I don't think I've had a wolf game with you in a good while.

[Hallia]

 

I never made a full blown case on Dice. I have mentioned in multiple places that he is off though and doesn't feel like town!Dice. He's more neutral which isn't good. Also a number of his posts have just been weird to me. Like the Zander joke.

So this is what you don't like, Hally?

I disagree on Dice. I see nothing with voting him on. The people I'm willing to vote are more null than anything except Nolder, but as I said, with so many town reads the nulls are concerning.

[Hallia]

I've seen you as town and scum, and third party. Both heree, and I think VS if I recall correctly

[Lenlo]

Really? You say I'm wolfy and reminding you of a wolf game first, but now I'm more null than anything?

[Hallia]

I said that in my catch up, I believe when I also mentioned Verb being there.

[Lenlo]

I've seen you as town and scum, and third party. Both heree, and I think VS if I recall correctly

Yes, but not recently. I've changed how I play alot, because how I played before was horrible.

[Hallia]

So....