[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Turin Turambar]

But I am town.

 

You can look at anyone and find something that looks scummy. take your blinders off and think.

[Thane Vakarian]

My vote's on my top suspect at this point, ftr.

[Thane Vakarian]

alright, really out now. g'night

[Zander?]

But I am town.

 

You can look at anyone and find something that looks scummy. take your blinders off and think.

 

 

I am thinking.  I think you are scum.

[Zander?]

 

Is anyone else noticing the change in Turin's tone? Cause I think it's pretty evident.

Yes, there is a definite difference in Turin's tone compared to earlier.

 

Alright, [unvote] [v] Turin[/v]. Tell you what, If Turin ends up as town, we are definitely going after Zander, right? Because there is no way that zander/nolder and zander/sooh are both v/v.

 

 

 

@Zan: with the excitement of this evening, I'll still reply (or try to). A wolf can ofcourse not sub in anymore. A townie, however, can do both. And here it's assumed that he's in a wolf spot. Ok, we have time DL is still far away), the previous spot didn't look too good, but here he's automatically being seen as wolf. I'd hate if that would happen to me if I'd be town. Could explain his different tone perhaps. But, do as you wish, and we'll see. I remember a game not too long ago, where I didn't vote someone who was seen as wolf by majority, and he flipped town (can't remember the game title though, it's sunday). You, Zan, weren't happy at me for not voting him. The situation we have now is feeling like a déjà vu, kind of. Quite some people view someone as wolf, which I doubt. Well, as I said... we'll see... 

 

as for BG, not pushing him right now, but I'd like a bit more from him so I can read him better. I'm having some problems recalling reads lists from people, and would need to read back for them. Which, I think, won't happen tonight. Perhaps tomorrow.

 

As for Pral's comment... I can see where he's coming from. What if Turin2 isn't wolf?

 

I'd just like to ask everybody not to speedlynch someone. We have, what, 2 days left? Quite a lot of time to figure things out imo.

 

Pretty sure Pral's voting Turin bro.

 

Im not pressuring you to vote him.  If he flips wolf which I feel is quite likely, then Ill be unhappy with you not voting.

 

Its not like I havent cased their slot or anything.

 

Sooh was very scummy and did stuff that made no sense for Town!Sooh's perspective and Turin's been much more scummy as Turin 2.0 then he was before he subbed back in.

 

Odds of both players being scummy as hell, should imo, lead one to believe that their slot is one of scumminess.

[Shad_]

Vote Count

 

Turin(4): Zander, Nynaeve, alannalynn, Pralaya

bgrishinko(1): Lily

Zander(1): Turin

Eldrick(1): Thane

Thane(2): Eldrick, bgrishinko

 

Not Voting: BFG

 

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[Pralaya]

Dude your push on me is a joke. You said me and Nol werent v/v, youre wrong. Now your trying the same thing again.

 

You gonna try and tell me Nolder wasnt scummy?

 

You gonna try and tell me Sooh/Turin 2.0 aren't scummy?

The thing is, I could be wrong once. But, both the cases? Unlikely. I am telling that you have also been scummy in your play.

 

Anyway, why do you seem afraid? As if you feel that Turin is going to flip town. If you feel that turin is wolf, you shouldn't be bothered about my statement.

[Zander?]

 

Dude your push on me is a joke. You said me and Nol werent v/v, youre wrong. Now your trying the same thing again.

 

You gonna try and tell me Nolder wasnt scummy?

 

You gonna try and tell me Sooh/Turin 2.0 aren't scummy?

The thing is, I could be wrong once. But, both the cases? Unlikely. I am telling that you have also been scummy in your play.

 

Anyway, why do you seem afraid? As if you feel that Turin is going to flip town. If you feel that turin is wolf, you shouldn't be bothered about my statement.

 

 

 

Im not afraid of anything brother.  And that goes for either alignment.  Im bothered by your "thought processes" because they dont seem to be coming from a Towny mindset.  If you arent feeling Turin is gonna flip wolf why are you voting him?  You just keep trying to lump me in as he cant be wrong so he must be a wolf.  I make pretty solid reads but I can be wrong, like you were in the last game.

 

My play has been pretty Towny imo.  And people are seeing it.  Why arent you?  I understand at first because I changed my play style but Im well within my Town game.

[Zander?]

BG what are your thoughts on lurkers?

[Zander?]

And where the heck is BFG???

[Nynaeve]

I'm at my families this weekend (about to head off) not sure how much time I'll have and will be on mobile or most of the time I do have.

 

Laine's ISO will have to wait (again, sorry )

[Nynaeve]

I looked it up because I was wondering too and I had a  feeling she said something but couldn't remember. 

[Zander?]

I looked it up because I was wondering too and I had a  feeling she said something but couldn't remember. 

 

 

kk tyvm.  I thought she did too but i was too lazy to check....lololololol

[Nynaeve]

I'm sure she'll be back tomorrow. I'm personally eager to hear her thoughts.

[bgrishinko]

 

 

 

 

Which is one of the reasons I am going easy on Sooh. She could have as well voted me and I don't think I would have been a difficult target. It doesn't absolve her but moves her slightly up.

But why? TownSooh would have gone for either you or Zander, because that's what her read list indicated. She backed off Zander cause she was getting negative attention, that's as clear as day. She said it was because no one was listening to her and he wasn't gonna be the lynch that day or ever so she was looking elsewhere... but that's false because a train of him was building later on and she never went back there. Why? That reads to me as someone who's worried that the negative attention would resurface if she did. And why not lean on you and figure out your slot if she was suspicious? She never did with the deadline still half a day or more away. I just don't get her vote on Nolder if she didn't find him scummy... and according to her very own read list? she didn't.

This is worth resolving. If sooh...I mean turin flips scum, then we probably have scum in Pral too.

[unvote]

[v]Turin [/v]

[unvote]

Still willing to vote there. Want to slow the train down and hear from other people.

Just more awfulness from Eldrick

Missed this post. How is not wanting to rush a lynch awful?

 

 

Hmm. This indeed seems odd. I can understand not wanting to rush a lynch to get info, but you voted and unvoted within just a few posts. I think your vote was the 3rd on Turin. So I feel like you might just be trying to watch your vote placement. Don't want to be seen as the tipping vote? Make it easier to ensure a hammer?

 

 

Still want to vote turin. But, for the sake of competing vote train

[v]Thane [/v]

Cuz I'm not touching the other trains. They are town.

Eld and Thane distancing from each other? Feeling a scum lean. Thane, Eld, and Laine are my votes for most likely Mafia I think. Nyn... If you are putting a gun to my head and asking my read, I'd lean misguided town. I haven't seen you quite as scummy but I've been in disagreement with many of your opinions and reads. I don't see the desperation in you though to convince me you have to be town.

[Nynaeve]

I'm pretty sure you're never gonna see desperation out of me. I don't have to try to convince anyone of anything. My play always speaks for itself.

[Nynaeve]

You wording is interesting, though. You haven't seen me as scummy? what exactly have I done that is scummy under your consideration? Because disagreeing on reads is neither here nor there.

[Nynaeve]

 

Current wtl:

Nolder
Alanna
Thane
Eldrick
maybe Z

I think Nol and Alanna have some w/w equity based primarily on Nol.

I disliked the interaction between Eldrick and Thane early.

I don't like Z soft character claiming for no good reason in a game that the MOD has said mafia have fake claims. In this sort of case I would expect one of the fakes yo be a major character otherwise what is the point?

 

 

 

 

1. Turin: Town by PM
2. Zander-mafia (soft claimed one of the brothers) Soft claiming is bad to me. most likely mafia driven in this case. Has felt like posts edgy like he is chafing at not being allowed to use his smo of posting his way to town read. I don't think the early post was a joke. I don't like his responses to my calling him on his soft claim. 
3. Sooh-null to town: This is in part due to my thoughts on Z/Laine.

4. Nolder-null to mafia. I'm going back and forth about who is more likely mafia. Nolder may just be being weird here. I think I'm going to let him off today.
5. Laine-mafia. See thoughts in above post.
6. Nyn- null to town. Not too much content. understandable due to RL. (I hope your dog is getting better) Nothing really pinging at this time.
7. Pral- null to mafia. Not much content but I don't like the one real post where he called out 5 players and said there must be one baddie in there. looks like trying to be useful while not really being useful.
8. Eldrick- mafia lean. Early Thane thing not good to me. some other things that I can't  recall all of right now. 
9. Lily- null. Lily being maleable is kind of how I remember her. Add in some RL distraction and I don't have any real read on her at this time.
10. Thane- mafia. I see all sorts of interaction between him and others I am suspicious of. Z and Laine have him as too high on their lists IMO. Eldrick may have spewed him maf. Plus his reaction to Eldrick and then my vote on him feels a bit of the same "don't engage and hope it goes away" that mafia will use on early votes. My only real concern is that it may be a case of mafia leaving him for a later mislynch. 

 

11. BGrishinko- null to town. Not much to see here so far. Call it a gut read.
12. BFG-  Town. Like her stances. Like her posts. 

 

Obviously I have too many mafia/leans. my difficulty is that I am seeing two distinct possibilities. Z/Laine is something weird to me. Z mostly for tone. His posts feel snippy. Laine for her determination to not allow herself to read Z as mafia despite the things that she says regarding his early "joke". Both of them having Thane too high makes me curious there as well. The other has been Eldrick along with Pral and Nolder?/Thane?. I noted that Eldrick said something to the effect that he wants to see Pral in action. Then that he wants to give him more time. There is no real reasoning there to justify the position tho.

 

Unvote

 

Votre: Zander

 

 

willing to vote Alanna, Thane, Eldrick, Nolder, Pral in that order  

 

 

 

I don't know what I have done to take away your enjoyment of this game but I am sorry for whatever it may have been.

I guess my requests will be denied and you insist on lynching me so I will give you at present my want to lynch list And I will go to enjoy the rest of my evening.

Alanna: I think I have covered this ad nauseam but here it is again- begging to be town read. Attempts to just dismiss without refuting any claims against her.Voted Nol for pressure. Not liking the interaction with Z. All of today's posts feel like lolcatting or AtE. I'm all the scenarios in my head Alanna is mafia every time.

Lily: this is a change. There were warning signs of mafia!Lily D1. The immediate backing off of every case. The questions about how to find mafia. It reminded.me of the one time we were on a mafia team together. BG's wheel of time book game. I think BG ran it anyway. The unneeded vote to L-1 made Nol lynch.inevitable(cwidt?)

Nyn: she drove the Nol lynch and her justification is that he is a bad selfish player. Now I'm gonna be treated badly too. Hopefully people will see the truth upon my death.

Z: I am really starting to think he is just off the raild and pocketed by Alanna but I could be wrong. Go back and look for all of Turins posts on him.

Eldrick: going with the flow. Look at his postings today.

Lynch from this list now and profit. Probably not gonna happen but at Least look at it after I'm dead.

Good night and good luck. If I'm still alive in the morning maybe I will look at the thread.

 

 

Explain to me why Pral and Thane aren't in your WTL anymore. Are you town reading them now?

 

 

And while you're at it, you should provide a full read list now that you've back from the dead.

[bgrishinko]

Don't know how to explain it well. Basically your being mafia would be for leading town votes astray onto town lynches. I thought Nolder was a bad lynch for the day and I think Turin2.0 is as well. If you are mafia, then you are letting others take the brundt of the suspicion. In which case, Laine might be town and you could be using her as a shield. I don't find that as likely though. I think it more likely you've found things you've thought are scummy in Nolder and Turin (which I disagree with) and Laine is able to use that to buddy up to you and Zander. I see Zander as falling into a trust trap though and I think your opinions are your own is the major difference. Like I said, not too much outright scummy behavior. Hope that made sense.

[Nynaeve]

okay, thanks

[Zander?]

BG what are your thoughts on lurkers?

 

 

For BG, it appears you missed this,

[bgrishinko]

 

BG what are your thoughts on lurkers?

 

 

 

For BG, it appears you missed this,

I assume you mean Day 2 bfg and Pral?

[Zander?]

 

 

BG what are your thoughts on lurkers?

 

 

For BG, it appears you missed this,

I assume you mean Day 2 bfg and Pral?

 

 

Perhaps, but I just wanted your general thoughts on it.  Like if someones lurking is that alignment indicative to you?

[bgrishinko]

Oh so you mean lurkers in general?

[Eldrick4221]

Why are you avoiding the question? I think it's pretty obvious that's what he means.