[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Zander?]

This is too funny

 

 

explain it then please and thank you.

 

i just want to wreck Nol.

[alannalynn]

I sleep for 10 hours and THIS is what I come back to? Must be some kind of revenge for me sleeping so long, a page for every hour dozing.

 

I'm not going to have a ton of time to respond today, I'm fixing to go grab some lunch/dinner and then it's homework night because I did 0 homework last night. I wont be here at all Friday in all likelihood and definitely not for deadline.

[Sooh]

BFG - I believe she's town. She's doing the word and asking questions to help solve the game. 

Nyn - I like Nyn's posts as well. Both her attitude and her solving is very towny.

BGrishinko - I like his posts. He seems to be taking in the new atmosphere and try to figure people out. However, this may be the one who pockets me. 

 

Turin - I feel like he's trying to figure this out, but I'm not confident in this read. I'm most confident about Turin when I disagree with him the most basically. I will have to go back and look at him more. One of the things that makes me doubt my read is that he is giving me the benefit of the doubt. 

Laine - I feel like she's the same Laine as I usually see in her town games, but then again she did fool me last game. I am uncertain about this slot.

 

I'll keep rereading when I get home from work tomorrow, but that's where I'm at right now.

 

Nolder - No idea. Basically I like that he seems some of the same things I see in Zander. 

Lily - Also no idea. Must read more closely.

Thane - Could go either way. I can't clear or condemn him.

Eldrick - Weird player. Takes time for me to figure out. He had a post I didn't like earlier about having too many nulls. (Ironic since I have like four nulls myself perhaps) I have mislynched him too many times though. I would like to see him make it beyond D1. 

 

Pral - Down here because I didn't understand why he made a push towards me. I know Nyn tried to explain, but I didn't really get that either. Not much else to go on.

Zander - Down here because I have no reason to clear him basically. I don't like the sarcasm and snarky attitude. If either Zander or I are lynched today I recommend a cop view on the other, because I don't think we can be cleared in any other way.

[Sooh]

lol! How did my end comment end up in the middle of my list? wtf dm?

[alannalynn]

Laine can you explain your current position on Lily?

Really the only thing I have on Lily right now is that vote thing which was highly awkward but I haven't seen any thing that has struck me since then, and she's been gunning for my lynch so I can't really say. I did comment a little further here but I don't want to lynch Lily atm. There hasn't been anything else that's been straight up scummy from her and I have better targets.

 

Going to respond to Turin's post that came after this and then I'm /out for a bit

[Nynaeve]

explain it then please and thank you.

 

i just want to wreck Nol.

 

 

Don't you have a mentor? 

 

But seriously, it's just two players who decide it's one or the other getting lynched that day. But it's definitely not something imposed via the mod.... ie the rest will choose to do whatever they want with their vote so....... keep pounding your chests? I dunno. lol

[Zander?]

 

explain it then please and thank you.

 

i just want to wreck Nol.

 

 

Don't you have a mentor? 

 

But seriously, it's just two players who decide it's one or the other getting lynched that day. But it's definitely not something imposed via the mod.... ie the rest will choose to do whatever they want with their vote so....... keep pounding your chests? I dunno. lol

 

 

I thought it was like a timed thing where we went back and forth and everyone had to vote one or the other after the time was up.

 

Thunderdome really has no purpose if thats the case...sadface.gif

[Pralaya]

Great, completed my catch up. I am a slow reader, meh.

 

Townish:

 

Nyn - I am getting good feelings from her post. Part trying to have fun, part trying to solve. That is somewhat like the town Nyn I know

 

Laine - Similar with Laine. I don't see the effort she is putting here as something that a scum Laine does. (I am not a fan of the large comment-on-every-post type of catchup. I usually skip those posts).

 

Thane - He has a bunch of posts but most are off-topic. The few ones he does have in-topic like these looks genuine to me. Thane is usually a but aggressive when scum and in this game he is more or less defensive which leads me to believe he is town.

 

BFG - Good vibes from her too. The moderate questioning, the figuring out the actions - sounds like town BFG

 

Townish to Null:

 

Lily - She is null actually. But slightly leaning town. The fact that she accepts that she is not great D1 and being passive is kinda townish from her.

 

BGrishinko - I don't have a lot of experience playing with BG. Even if I did, I have forgotten how he plays. His going after Thane is quite usual for those who have not played with Thane. I think it is genuine and I can see where he is coming from. But, still I am not completely sure about him.

 

Turin - Bit of a mixed bag with Turin. He was a bit aggressive early voting Nolder, his comments about one of my posts looked a bit forced. However, the entire "Zander is scum because he soft-claimed" is kind of what a town Turin does.Kind of null here.

 

 

Scum leans:

 

Nolder/Zander - This is the slot that is bothering me. I don't think they are v/v - the aggressive stances, "thunderdoming", back-to-back responses does not seem like village figuring things out. Either one of them is scum or this is a planned distancing effort.

 

Eldrick - His usual play is kind of seems weird to me. Here, it looks like he is throwing darts and seing what sticks. The whole suspecting of Nolder because he "voted me" sounded very forced and unnecessary.

 

 

Sooh - I talked about her before and the read hasn't improved. Still feel that she was trying to throw Alanna in the beginning argument. This unvote of Zander and her backing off doesn't look genuine. If you have zander as scummy, why the unvote?

[Sooh]

*snip*

Scum leans:

 

Nolder/Zander - This is the slot that is bothering me. I don't think they are v/v - the aggressive stances, "thunderdoming", back-to-back responses does not seem like village figuring things out. Either one of them is scum or this is a planned distancing effort.

 

Eldrick - His usual play is kind of seems weird to me. Here, it looks like he is throwing darts and seing what sticks. The whole suspecting of Nolder because he "voted me" sounded very forced and unnecessary.

 

 

Sooh - I talked about her before and the read hasn't improved. Still feel that she was trying to throw Alanna in the beginning argument. This unvote of Zander and her backing off doesn't look genuine. If you have zander as scummy, why the unvote?

Re: Zander/Nolder: You've never seen v/v violence before? Seems like you're saying they're either w/w or v/w w/v. Which is the more likely wolf? Zander or Nolder? It just seems like a cop off to not really make a stance between the two of them.

 

As for myself, I unvoted Zander because there seemed to be no way I was ever going to get a lynch of him through, and my efforts and vote was wasted there. Could I have waited for someone else to vote for? Sure, but I chose not to. If nothing else both myself (especially myself) and Zander have now had the chance to look at others.

 

I still don't know what you mean by throwing in Alanna. I mentioned her because she was already involved.

[alannalynn]

 

Is it just me or do you always find me suspicious Turin? Lol oh well. I'm sorry I didn't turn back up yesterday, I got caught up in homework. I'll definitely dig into this after classes are over today. Pretty great there are only 16 pages but I kinda miss Zander's excitability lol

This is first Alanna created ping to me. these sort of posts read as trying to dismiss my future read as "something that always happens". discrediting the reads without refuting them. Seeing similar response from Z as well. Alanna doing it with yuks, Z with curtness.

Well to be fair, I feel like all the games we've had together lately, you've scum read me when I'm town, so yes I was dismissing it as something usual that happens. The same way I've been scum reading you when you're town. I just don't think we know how to read each other, which is something I'm working on.

 

 

Okay I'm going back to the beginning and starting from there. I haven't really had the chance to get into this game yet, so here I am. I probably wont be here all day though because I have to get some homework done at some point lol.... So, I'm completely caught up in one class, and completely behind in two others. I don't know how this happens???

 

Fwiw I have a peek on Shad:

 

???

 

 

#17 Still feels like a serious post from Zander on a reread and I don't exactly like the push but I like the content it has generated so I'm not going to let this post bother me too much moving forward.

 

#32 from Eldrick feels over reactiony to Turin's vote on him. This was literally 2 pages in and Eldrick is jumpy about a vote that just as likely could have been a joke.

 

Thane very laid back and relaxed p2-3, townie ish vibe but not enough yet. Liking Turin thus far too. Eldrick's spammy posts are making up for the lack of Zanders right now

 

#111 Gonna agree with Zander irt to Eldrick here, he is feeling a little forced, but I'm also noticing a lot of off content posts that are outweighing his content ones so far

 

#133 @Lily re: Zander/Alanna distancing: LOL we don't distance. We plop ourselves right beside each other as scum and color the other one blue in our reads list.

 

#141 I do agree with Sooh on the over explanation of Zander's original post insofar as that is what made it NOT feel like a joke to me and why it came off forced. At the same time, I refuse to scum read Zander for it because he's settling into a new style and I don't want to misread new!Z as scum!Z.

 

#157 I want Thane's thoughts instead of his comments, he's trending down from my original read but not out of the town leans yet

 

Right now I would probably put Zander, BFG, Turin, Thane at a slight town lean, Thane having the lowest lean. I would also have Eldrick, Lily, Nolder with scummy leans. Lily and Eldrick for what was mentioned above and Nolder for ~raisions. Sooh also a little pingy but I haven't quite placed why yet.

 

#194-195 Turin touches on some Nolder ~raisions. Dude's confusing me.

 first thing in a long "content" post is a joke. Happy happy. I'm town cause I'm being funny.

 

Says Z post reads serious and doesn't like it but gonna let it slide.

I never voted Eldrick (I would though) I voted Thane because I could see Eldrick's vote on Thane as a potential slip. I haven't liked Thane's contribution at all the entire game and I don't see how you and Z both have him so high. How many posts were there when you made that call? feels weird to me.

Eldrick spammy but forced? 

 

Bold/Underlined: See below

 

More about Z posting making it hard to see that post as a joke. But still not willing to make the leap to thinking him mafia.

Thane dropping but still town? Why?

4 "slight town reads" Still don't understand why Z and Thane are so high.

I am confusing you. Yet you have Nolder as a mafia lean. Sooh is pingy for unknown reasons. I think it might be for looking hard at Z. Maybe that's just me too.

Red: You realize this is... normal? Why does this bother you? If I were emotionless and straight to the point, you would say that I'm strung up and nervous or something and probably mafia. Probably not exactly what you'd say, lol but nonetheless, why does it bother you that I put jokes in my posts?

Blue: Thane's read started out a gut read. He was very relaxed in the game and came in trying to interact with everyone. He slipped down my list a little when he wouldn't comment on the voting thing immediately and said he would be back and didn't but I didn't feel like that out weighed his relaxed thread presence, so I kept him in my town leans. Then he did come back and gave me enough content for HIS level of play that I was happy for the time being. Thane isn't going to be a lynch today.

Green: Some of Eldrick's posts that the start of the game felt forced, like he was forcing thread presence. A villager should come into thread feeling more relaxed.

 

What is the bold underlined referring to? Up above where I mentioned our meta? That's an every game thing and something that you might not know if you haven't played with us a bunch. We always buddy whether town or teammates but if we're on different teams I can generally tell when that relationship is wrong. For example, in the Warcraft game Zander was mafia and I was town. I started out buddying with him like usual but I knew something was wrong with him in that game and he slid down my list until he was vig shot and flipped mafia. In the two games we've been scum together, Belichick and The Matrix, we heavily town read each other and that worked for us. Then there are town games that we've heavily buddied in: Clov's game (though I was recruited mafia with a town PR), Age of Legends, British Monarchy, Star Wars, all the way back to the first game we played together where we became buddy buddy in Mass Effect II. So, if we're buddying like that, and I mention it as something normal that happens, I'm not lying and I'm not trying to fool anyone. I have plenty of games to prove that this is true and I've given plenty of explanations in past games to explain why I heavily defend him and how this works.

 

 

 

 

She was actually backing up Nolder, who brought it up initially. Zander's post seemed serious... once he said it was a joke, I didn't see a problem with Lily unvoting and moving to someone who she felt was taking advantage of the misunderstanding.

 Question: Why do you just say "okay. It didn't read as a joke but since you say it was it must be"? People do lie in this game.

 

Probably lookin something like this:

 

Alanna

Zander

BFG

Turin

Thane

bgrishinko

Pralaya

Nyn

Lily

Nolder

Sooh

Eldrick

 

If you want explanations, I'm just going to YOLO really quick. I've explained my thoughts on Zander, even with his changes I believe he is town, but I probably wouldn't lynch him today regardless because I want more of a sample from him. Anyways, he's town slotted. BFG is feeling more BFG than in Clov's game, which is a strange thing to say but I wasn't really reading her as town last game and here I am feeling a lot better about her. Turin has been providing thoughts and I've mostly liked what he's had to say, I've also enjoyed his pushes and the reasoning behind them. Thane is skating by on his early excitement, but I want MOAR to get a stronger read either way. BG would be my weakest town read since it's based purely on gut at this point, so we'll see what happens there as well. Of course Pralaya is purely null- I don't see any extra activity from him even with a smaller page count so I'd really like for him to get in here and give us his thoughts. Nyn is null for me as well, there are some things I'm looking for from her which I haven't seen so I don't feel comfortable calling her town. Lily is there for her vote thing, Nolder for his, and an overall weirdness. Plus Nolder is pinging for trying to buddy me and an overall gut-scum feeling. Sooh is all over the place and it's frustrating because I don't know what is due to sickness or what could be scummy, so I'll wait for her to improve. She definitely doesn't feel like town!Sooh at this point. Eldrick is different from his normal weird and not in a good way. I agree that some of his posts feel forced and he seems to be posting more jokes than content at this point when I would prefer the opposite especially when some are making an extra effort to tone it down.

 Please make your thoughts on Zander into one concise post. Earlier you mentioned that as mafia teammates you just "town read each other as that is what you are expected to do."  You have noted some things that you thought were odd but you decided not to mafia read him for because he is adjusting his game with Cory's help. It seems like if there are things that should be concerning you that you shouldn't have him as your top town. Maybe it is just me. 

 

Why does Nolder being weird equate to him being mafia? can you give examples of this weirdness?

 

Red: This was quoting Nyn but the reason I took it for what he said is for several reasons. A. Zander wouldn't flat out lie like that. Not in the sense that Zander doesn't lie, but that if he says something serious, he has a reason to and he's not going to back away just because it garnered attention. B. Change in playstyle. He has less lolols (obviously) so the fine line between Zander joking and not joking is a little more difficult to see and I'd rather take his word for it. C. Change in playstyle again, this was his first(?) post in the game, he's allowed one mishap before he gets fully in and is understandable.

 

Blue: I don't read him town because that's what I'm expected to do. The way we interact is how I gauge whether he's truly town or not. Yeah sure the new playstyle is messing with things a little bit but I feel like I understand him well enough at this point that I can read him without the lols. AND I've already mentioned these things: his content posts are good, he has been spreading his suspicion rather than heavily tunneling in on one individual, his tone has been fine this game and I know it's hard not to fall back on his normal meta but the improvement is a good thing, and if he nets us a scum on d1 I'll probably sheep him to endgame.

 

Green: I can do that with more time but it's more of a gut thing. Nolder is confused and needs more explanations as mafia. He has a certain feel to him that I can't explain. I caught him like this in Age of Legends where I was pushing for his lynch from d1 and nobody believed me and eventually I got mislynched and then he did and flipped mafia. The same thing happened in Rustlemania (the following game) where he was mafia and I saw it and he got lynched once Nyn(?) entered the thread because it was SO obvious. So I'm not going to put in a box and quantify it, I'm just going to let y'all know that he's probably mafia and if you want somewhere to look, look at Nolder.

 

 

 

 

 

#117 and #120 from Lily are really pinging me. I understand the explanation on 117, she wasn't caught up yet, but the switch to voting me in post 120 is awful. Also, who is my "scummate" that you're referring to in this post, @Lily? The only people involved in this were me, Zander, and his comments on Lily/Eldrick. If you're saying I'm teammates with Zander, that's just weird that you just came off voting Zander to voting me when you literally just backed out of your suspicion of Zander because your responses were behind.

#131 @Lily Sooh's agreement came after my post, so how was I pushing any case of her's?

 

#133 @Lily re: Zander/Alanna distancing: LOL we don't distance. We plop ourselves right beside each other as scum and color the other one blue in our reads list.

 

 

#120 - I was saying that you were pushing Zander's case on me

 

#133 - How do I know that to be true? I don't. So, I'll stick with my reads, tyvm. 

 

Also, my meta, regardless of alignment is to start out slow and ramp up later.

 

#120 there was a case on you that I was pushing? I said you looked better than Eldrick in those original posts until 120 and I decided I didn't like what you were doing

 

#133 Meta, probably not going to change any time soon. Zander and I scum reading each other is cause for concern about one of us but not both but I know you haven't been playing with us to notice so I'm not really bothered

 

 

This last line is more of the "brush off" that I am getting from Z as well. You are not bothered because you don't think that Lily can lead a lynch on you is really how it reads and you just want to make the thoughts go away. BTW, since you know that Zander is trying to change things up, how can you even use previous meta on him? he is in process of changing said meta. Better to treat him like he is new and shiny.

 See above. He's not new and shiny, he's just Zander.

 

 

I think if I were to underestimate anyone in this game it would be BG purely because I don't have meta on him and don't really know what to expect, so I could be flat out misreading him as town right now, but that's something I'll have to think about later after some flips.

 

I do see a change in Turin a little bit, I feel like he's more solid this game and that's a good thing(?), so I'm looking forward to seeing more from him.

 

Pralaya is silent per usual.

 

Nolder is pinging in that way that he pings when he is mafia but I'm going to give him some space and see what he does first.

My posting is entirely dependent on my availability. I have had more time as I am not working presently and have been sick so sitting on sofa. 

Again examples of what has pinged you on Nolder.

 

Upon reread, Alanna not looking good at all. Can definitely see potential for w/w with Zander based on her own statement of their meta together.  Both having Thane so high for so little reason is also consistent with Cory mafia strategy. Just keep saying he is town.  Willing to vote any of the three.

So you think it's a team of Zander-Alanna-Thane? How about when we flip all town, who do you plan on going after next?

 

[alannalynn]

That's all you people get from me right now. That took WAY longer than I needed it to.

[Nolder]

 

 

explain it then please and thank you.

 

i just want to wreck Nol.

 

 

Don't you have a mentor? 

 

But seriously, it's just two players who decide it's one or the other getting lynched that day. But it's definitely not something imposed via the mod.... ie the rest will choose to do whatever they want with their vote so....... keep pounding your chests? I dunno. lol

 

 

I thought it was like a timed thing where we went back and forth and everyone had to vote one or the other after the time was up.

 

Thunderdome really has no purpose if thats the case...sadface.gif

 

I've played in games with these sorts of mechanics before.

They're pretty fun.

[Hallia]

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Nolder(2): Alannalynn, Nynaeve

Sooh(2): Pralaya, Zander

alannalynn(1): Lily

Thane(2): BFG, bgrishinko

Zander(2): Turin, Nolder

 

Not Voting: Thane, Sooh, Eldrick

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[LilyElizabeth]

 

Laine can you explain your current position on Lily?

Really the only thing I have on Lily right now is that vote thing which was highly awkward but I haven't seen any thing that has struck me since then, and she's been gunning for my lynch so I can't really say. I did comment a little further here but I don't want to lynch Lily atm. There hasn't been anything else that's been straight up scummy from her and I have better targets.

 

Going to respond to Turin's post that came after this and then I'm /out for a bit

 

 

I'm not gunning for your lynch, I'm voting you. Gunning for your lynch would be trying to get others to vote you. Don't make more out of something than it is. That's scummy, too. I like my vote. 

[LilyElizabeth]

By the way, I took the cat to the vet. He's not dying. He has an ear infection, some painful teeth, and a heart murmur. We're attacking the ear infection first. Thanks for all your concern. It means a lot. 

[alannalynn]

By the way, I took the cat to the vet. He's not dying. He has an ear infection, some painful teeth, and a heart murmur. We're attacking the ear infection first. Thanks for all your concern. It means a lot. 

omg I'm so glad it's not as bad as you thought *hugs*

[alannalynn]

 

 

Laine can you explain your current position on Lily?

Really the only thing I have on Lily right now is that vote thing which was highly awkward but I haven't seen any thing that has struck me since then, and she's been gunning for my lynch so I can't really say. I did comment a little further here but I don't want to lynch Lily atm. There hasn't been anything else that's been straight up scummy from her and I have better targets.

 

Going to respond to Turin's post that came after this and then I'm /out for a bit

 

I'm not gunning for your lynch, I'm voting you. Gunning for your lynch would be trying to get others to vote you. Don't make more out of something than it is. That's scummy, too. I like my vote. 

Okay Lily, my goal is to change your mind of me, because I am town and if you are too, I want us to be on the same page together, so let me appeal to you.

 

One of your problems with me is that I'm self aware of my meta and using my meta in my defense, or something of the sort. Can you reconcile this as something a townie can do?

--> So let's say I AM aware of my own meta and I'm aware of Zander's meta, and BFG's meta, and Thane's meta, etc etc... I'm using that knowledge as part of how I'm reading those people and I'm using my own awareness to tell you that I am town. Being that several people have supported my comments, does that not make it more likely that I am town?

- Example 1: I buddy Zander as town. I gave support for where I've done that in other games, Thane and maybe someone else supported that. I also buddy him when we're mafia and I also may try to buddy him when we're on different teams, but that's not what I think is happening here. The point is really that it's null and unimportant unless I can tell you he's mafia, which I would never do if we were scummates together (he's too valuable).

- Example 2: My investment level this game is something I can only manage as town. This can be supported by my other town games. You/someone else can look at my other games and see that, or you can look at my recent scum games (minus GnD) and see that. The ONLY reason I was able to replicate that level of investment as recruited mafia in GnD is because I was A. Recruited and B. A town PR, so basically I was invincible until I backed myself into a corner. I literally hate being mafia. I don't really care what happens, and being mafia against Zander would flat out suck because I don't like deceiving him.

- Example/Comment(?) 3: Changing meta isn't as easy as it sounds. And my play ultimately depends on how much homework I have, how much overtime at work and whether it's during my work week Fri-Monday or not. Just because I'm aware of my meta doesn't make everything I say about it false and doesn't mean that me bringing it up is exactly scummy. Maybe I'm just town trying to appeal to another potential town by explaining why I'm not and why we should look elsewhere for scum (ie Nolder).

 

Another one of your complaints was that I am OMGUS pushing you. Which is kind of a legit complaint. But I never once pushed you until you voted Zander and unvoted voted ME first over that "joke" post so you went after me first. Since then, I haven't really seen anything that has bothered me about your play but you tunneling (for a lack of a better term) on me worries me because I know I'm town and I'd much rather use you going after mafia, not me. I've now backed off of you at this point, so can you help me and tell me about some other suspects you'd like to go after?

 

Is there anything I missed about your case against me? I'm currently on page 27 of my catchup but I'm going to skype Cory now and work on homework because that's more important at the moment.

[alannalynn]

538 is where I left off on the catch up, I decided to give myself until 930 to work on this game and then go back to my homework <3
 

1. Turin: Town by PM
2. Zander-mafia (soft claimed one of the brothers) Soft claiming is bad to me. most likely mafia driven in this case. Has felt like posts edgy like he is chafing at not being allowed to use his smo of posting his way to town read. I don't think the early post was a joke. I don't like his responses to my calling him on his soft claim. 
3. Sooh-null to town: This is in part due to my thoughts on Z/Laine.

4. Nolder-null to mafia. I'm going back and forth about who is more likely mafia. Nolder may just be being weird here. I think I'm going to let him off today.
5. Laine-mafia. See thoughts in above post.
6. Nyn- null to town. Not too much content. understandable due to RL. (I hope your dog is getting better) Nothing really pinging at this time.
7. Pral- null to mafia. Not much content but I don't like the one real post where he called out 5 players and said there must be one baddie in there. looks like trying to be useful while not really being useful.
8. Eldrick- mafia lean. Early Thane thing not good to me. some other things that I can't  recall all of right now. 
9. Lily- null. Lily being maleable is kind of how I remember her. Add in some RL distraction and I don't have any real read on her at this time.
10. Thane- mafia. I see all sorts of interaction between him and others I am suspicious of. Z and Laine have him as too high on their lists IMO. Eldrick may have spewed him maf. Plus his reaction to Eldrick and then my vote on him feels a bit of the same "don't engage and hope it goes away" that mafia will use on early votes. My only real concern is that it may be a case of mafia leaving him for a later mislynch. 

 

11. BGrishinko- null to town. Not much to see here so far. Call it a gut read.
12. BFG-  Town. Like her stances. Like her posts. 

 

Obviously I have too many mafia/leans. my difficulty is that I am seeing two distinct possibilities. Z/Laine is something weird to me. Z mostly for tone. His posts feel snippy. Laine for her determination to not allow herself to read Z as mafia despite the things that she says regarding his early "joke". Both of them having Thane too high makes me curious there as well. The other has been Eldrick along with Pral and Nolder?/Thane?. I noted that Eldrick said something to the effect that he wants to see Pral in action. Then that he wants to give him more time. There is no real reasoning there to justify the position tho.

 

Unvote

Votre: Zander

willing to vote Alanna, Thane, Eldrick, Nolder, Pral in that order  

1. Making some comments on this. First of all, one of your problems with Zander is the soft claim. Soft claims don't have to be bad. People soft claim, people hard claim, people do things. Doesn't make them scummy... That's like me pushing a case on someone because their grammar isn't very good and wolves have bad grammar. Sorry if this sounds like me being a jerk, but some of the reasons you people are using are complete bunk. Like "I'm sussing you because you are self aware of your meta" and "You're mafia because only mafia soft claim", or even "You're mafia because your defending someone and only mafia defend other people, not townies who think other people are townies" Just stahp. BTW, I'm soft claiming The Creator. lolololol

 

3. What do you think of Sooh outside of me/Zander?

4. "Nolder is weird but I'm going to let that go" Huh? Nolder is mafia.

7. I would agree that Pral is scummy but not for that reason. I would say that's null for him but he's scummy because he's not here and this game isn't nearly active enough for him not to be.

10. I'm not going to vote Thane today

11. Explain your gut read on BG?

 

[alannalynn]

#546 I love this post Nyn, you make some good points on Zander and I agree. Plus, I've seen comments about Cory influencing Zander to do certain things. If you people knew how Zander is, you would know that it's not that easy to reign him in and he's certainly not going to become a Cory. From what I can tell Cory told him not to be post count leader and to trim himself down to content posts only. That doesn't mean Zander is a totally new human that none of us will ever be capable of reading nor does it mean that Cory is telling him word for word what to say, nor giving him all his reads. Zander makes good reads on his own, the only thing he needed to fix was being more understandable and toned down for us to interact better WITH him.
 

I knew you secretly liked it.

Rawrrr
But seriously, it's a little sus that you don't want to figure out my alignment and had that opportunity already, so I'm waiting. If you're towning this game, I want your support.
#550 glad you agree on Nolder, too. I didn't know if I was the only one seeing it since everyone seems to think I'm damn crazy
 

People linking Laine and Zander.... As far as I can tell, they interact well every single game they play in together, so I don't know if that would be a scumtell for either of them to be honest. The fact that players are commenting on it is interesting and should be kept in mind for a later stage in the game.

 

#613 Want to know another reason that I'm town reading Zander? Because I can find myself on the same page as him, I understand what he's thinking and how he got there, and he says things in thread that echo my thoughts and my thought process. Also (hifive Zander) (I really hope you're town and I'm not blowing smoke lol)

/stopping at 615 until I'm done with my current school assignment
 

[alannalynn]

Apparently I'm talking to myself today? Awesome.

[Zander?]

BFG - I believe she's town. She's doing the word and asking questions to help solve the game. 

Nyn - I like Nyn's posts as well. Both her attitude and her solving is very towny.

BGrishinko - I like his posts. He seems to be taking in the new atmosphere and try to figure people out. However, this may be the one who pockets me. 

 

Turin - I feel like he's trying to figure this out, but I'm not confident in this read. I'm most confident about Turin when I disagree with him the most basically. I will have to go back and look at him more. One of the things that makes me doubt my read is that he is giving me the benefit of the doubt. 

Laine - I feel like she's the same Laine as I usually see in her town games, but then again she did fool me last game. I am uncertain about this slot.

 

I'll keep rereading when I get home from work tomorrow, but that's where I'm at right now.

 

Nolder - No idea. Basically I like that he seems some of the same things I see in Zander. 

Lily - Also no idea. Must read more closely.

Thane - Could go either way. I can't clear or condemn him.

Eldrick - Weird player. Takes time for me to figure out. He had a post I didn't like earlier about having too many nulls. (Ironic since I have like four nulls myself perhaps) I have mislynched him too many times though. I would like to see him make it beyond D1. 

 

Pral - Down here because I didn't understand why he made a push towards me. I know Nyn tried to explain, but I didn't really get that either. Not much else to go on.

Zander - Down here because I have no reason to clear him basically. I don't like the sarcasm and snarky attitude. If either Zander or I are lynched today I recommend a cop view on the other, because I don't think we can be cleared in any other way.

 

Can you touch more on your BG read please?

 

Also you havent been able to move Eld out Null yet either?  He's done nothing to make you lean either way at all?

 

Thoughts on Nolder's case against me please?

 

Also FYI- You top 2 suspects are the ones voting you.  Just saying.

[Zander?]

By the way, I took the cat to the vet. He's not dying. He has an ear infection, some painful teeth, and a heart murmur. We're attacking the ear infection first. Thanks for all your concern. It means a lot. 

 

That's good to hear.

 

Apparently I'm talking to myself today? Awesome.

 

You were looking for me I take it?

[alannalynn]

Good to see you Zander :) I'm working on writing a paper at the moment. and I'm still behind on the thread but I'll be back to catch up if I finish writing this in time. What do you think about Sooh backing off of you?

[LilyElizabeth]

Alanna, so you are proposing that I ignore what I see as scummy and let you tell me what I SHOULD think is scummy? Yeah, that's real townie behavior. That will simply get me lynched, or at least it should. I hate the constant use of meta that you're giving us, and the buddying between you and Zander is also scummy to me. Basically, there's nothing I like about your play. Sorry. 

 

@Nyn - You play where I play and also here. What do you think of all this behavior that I see as scummy?

 

I've been paying attention to the whole Nolder/Zander exchange and to me it looks like a huge miscommunication. I'm aware that I'm going to have to change my vote tomorrow and it will probably come down to one of these two, or my son. I honestly don't know what I'll do yet. Zander does seem scummier to me, but Nolder has done some things that seem scummy, too. And, no, I don't see a gambit there. 

[LilyElizabeth]

That should read used to play. I can't keep up there anymore now that life is busier.