[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Nolder]

 

I find it interesting that you are questioning her reasons to want to vote Nolder, being you are currently voting him yourself.

Read what I posted about her. She said Nolder was pinging for reasons he does as mafia but

1.) didn't explain what they were.

2.) doesn't really seem to be trying to dig into him.

 

I am moving my vote because I think I have something better at this time.

 

YOU'VE DONE THE SAME THING NOW!

[BFG]

Sooh, you here?

[BFG]

Zander, I'll explain Eldrick when I'm back on my tablet

[bgrishinko]

Largish Text:
Part 1 Apparently...   

 

 

I can, yes.

 

ohh... 

 

wait a sec... 

 

you want me to? Ok, that works:

 

Overall, i like Turin's involvement in the game. Questioning, poking, investigating. He's 99.9% town imo this game. When questioned, he does try to explain, in his best way, the point he wanted to make. 

Sooh: I don't know. I can't point a finger and say 'town' or 'wolf'. I'll give her some time to get better and perhaps I'll be able to read her better later on in the game.

Nolder: As i said, it's a feeling at the back of my mind when reading his posts this game. Spidey sense, sorta. It's not a full blown wolf-accusation yet, but he's on my radar for now

Oh man how this rankles me. Its literally D1. There's no possible way you could honestly say someone is 99.9% town. Saying someone is on their town list, or feels town or something like that is fine. But to go all "I'm certain" is a big red flag in my book.

 

I'm liking Nyn and Turin for town at this point. 

 

Alannalynn is bothering me. I feel like she's directing all this attention to me BECAUSE I directed attention to her. I don't like it. It's OMGUSy. And where I come from explaining your own meta as in "I wouldn't do that as scum" or "I always do this as town"  is scummy. ANYBODY can change their meta. She's my scummiest read so far, although I still don't like Zander's "joke" and put him in second place. 

 

Vote Laine

 

 

By the way, my kitty seems to be doing a little better. I'm taking him to the vet tomorrow for fluids, although he is drinking a little now. But he's 11 years old and could use the help. Thanks for all your kind words. 

I can get behind Lily's thought in this post. Bothers me when people try and use show off their own-meta. Just establishes they are self-aware enough of their meta that they can use it to subvert expectations to me. Bringing attention to it just makes me want to question it.

 

Pretty much what I attached to my reads list. I find it a little odd that Lily jumped on to me saying my push on her was omgus when she was the first to push me irt my comments on your "joke" post at the beginning. Not sure what to make of that.

 

She also commented on the meta part, that anyone can change their meta but I don't see why I would change something that works and would be effective in getting me town read or potentially netting me a pocket. The fact that i'm self aware of this aspect of my meta doesn't change the fact that it works for me and I'm going to keep using it until it fails me. lol

 

I also highly doubt I'm the scummiest person in the game thus far.

This right here just reinforces what I just was thinking almost word for word... lol. She's self-aware of the meta. That means it can be subverted to manipulate. The only end result here is she's trying to convince us we have no choice but to see "x action" as an indicator she must be town. And the last sentence is just eye-rollingly frustrating. 

 

There was one thing about Nyn earlier that caught me off guard when she didn't push me when I snarked back, but that's probably nothing, potentially something. I'm not going to say it's a ping but I know she likes to prod at me until I react and by not doing that is something I want to keep in mind irt her ability to read me without making me yell at her.

This post feels really off to me. 

 

I'm actually gonna switch up and [unvote] [v]Nolder[/v] because I want some pressure there

Okay, so, from my memories of years gone by, Nolder was always a super easy Day 1 mafia lynch target. He used to kind of putter around and not be real effective till later in the game. So when I see votes on Nolder day 1 without much substance, especially as deadline gets close, I get worried. Now if there was some decent reasoning behind Nolder vote, I'd understand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zander I think you and I need to have a talk.

 

 

Ok whats up?

 

Not much, I just like to clear or condemn you early and I'd like to be able to do it soon.

 

Let's try some questions...

 

Gun to head which one person of the following people would you absolutely not let into the village right now: Sooh, Pral, Alanna, Thane, Eldrick.

 

 

Why these people specifically?

 

 

 

Nolder that's a terrible question when he's already mentioned scum reads on 2/5 and has null-town the rest lol

 

it is but its ok.  I wanna see where he goes with this.

 

 

@Nol- Why Pral?

 

Sorry everyone woke up and is talking to me now.

The thing about Pral, and I don't mean to be insulting, even when he's town I don't find his posts that helpful or insightful 90% of the time.

He's just kind of there. So that's more meta than anything else but that's why I chose him.

 

That's a terrible reason.

 

+1 on it being a terrible reason. you don't find him helpful as town, so you want to lynch him for not being helpful.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

 

This is also straight up Nolder's-meta-alley from day 1. There was a time at DM when people would sign up for games then be totally inactive. By end of day 1 there would be like 10 pages, mostly fluff. Nolder, among others, was one to basically make it his policy to auto-lynch those people who don't participate as it ruins the game and makes reads on them basically impossible as more than once these background bottom of the list posters would end up being mafia with no possible leads.

 

 

I find it interesting that you are questioning her reasons to want to vote Nolder, being you are currently voting him yourself.

Read what I posted about her. She said Nolder was pinging for reasons he does as mafia but

1.) didn't explain what they were.

2.) doesn't really seem to be trying to dig into him.

 

I am moving my vote because I think I have something better at this time.

 

A vote on anyone without a stated reason is a scummy vote. 

 

 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

It's stuff like this that doesn't help your case. It's vaguely game related by acknowledging that we don't have a read on you, and then just joking it off.

 

I'm not joking it off. I think it's a stupid and false observation and I'm treating it as such.

 

 

Here is your posts out of the first 175 posts. Bolded is game related. The ratio hasn't really changed much.

 

 

Post #53,54,56. Nyn bumps. Fluff

Post #57. Can't remember last time you played. Liked Thane's enthusiasm.

Mostly fluff. I suppose the enthusiasm thing can be vaguely game-related.

Post #59 IRT Thane saying he needs hunting wolves for a distraction at work.

You agree. Fluff.

Post #60 Vote on Zander, explained later as being joke vote for previous game with him.

Post #61 Comment on similarities between BG and BFG's names. Effectively fluff, even though it's game related in a way.

Post #62 Asking Zander why he thinks Lily and I were "trying hard" to sell a connection between us.

Post #63 GIF of you listening to music and crying. Fluff.

Post #74 You approve of BFG nominating BG. Fluff.

Post #80 You explain that your vote on Z is a joke vote, but then give reason to keep it there because you are iffy about his Lily/Me theory. Your "being cautious with him" is to leave your vote on him after saying it's a joke.

Post #81 You snerk at Nolder's reason for voting Laine. Game related, as it's a reaction to game content.

Post #85,88 Talk about BFG's list being about "comparing boob sizes". Fluff.

Post #96 Reaction to co-mod "checking in". Fluff.

Post #156 Commenting to Z that his post didn't come off as a joke.

Post #158 Telling us you're still catching up.

Post #160 More Bumps fluff.

Post #161 Replying to Z about the joke issue. Explaining why it wasn't clear to you.

Post #165 Fluff comment about Clov commenting about his "not reading the thread yet". In retrospect, I didn't realize at the time that he wasn't a player when I responded to it.

Post #167 Unvote Zander

Post #175 Seconding the comment that Cory is affecting your read on Zander

 

 

Look, You're starting to seriously aggravate me. What is your point exactly? I never said 100% of my content was game related. It never is. I always joke around. Especially on D1. I'm not playing just to to find scum. I'm also playing to have fun. So these kinds of posts are always gonna be part of the package. It doesn't even matter what my alignment is.

 

At the end of the day you boxed and labeled up my content as "mostly fluff" and carried on, without feeling the need to address anything I actually said... which I expect you to do if you're genuinely trying to read me. Your own sum up shows that at least half of my content was game related. You never bothered to comment on any of the things I addressed up until I bit your head off. Just letting you know that it's not a good look.

 

 

 

What I find funny here is the Eld is ONLY focusing on what he perceives as fluff but hasnt really mentioned anything from your game related content which there has been more then enough of imo.

[bgrishinko]

Part 2:

 

 

 

 

Im am 100% ballsy enough to try any approach but I pretty much adhere to the KISS rule of thumb fwiw.

 

What's the KISS rule of thumb?

 

Keep It Simple Stupid.

 

I liked your read list post and some of you catch up posts. That will do for the time being. Snark tomorrow?

 

*hhhhnnngggg*

 

Just ISOd Nyn. My read hasn't changed. At all. Most of her posts are fluff. There are a couple good posts (e.g. the general thoughts catchup post), But most of it isn't game-related, and she isn't engaging that much either, even before she mentioned the problems with her dog.

Argh, Eld man. If you are going to ISO people, can you at least quote some of it and make some analysis of it more than a single sentence? If you are going to go through the trouble of reading all her posts you should be able to find more insightful things to say. This is what tripped me up with your Lily ISO earlier. You'd only made one off-hand reference to seeing Lily's voting record being odd in response to Z, but then like 3 pages later brought it up again like it was a new thing and didn't really explain why you changed your mind except to say (more or less) "ISO'd her. Seems town." I gotta know your thought process if I'm to know your intentions. 

 

 

 

6. Nyn- null to town. Not too much content. understandable due to RL. (I hope your dog is getting better) Nothing really pinging at this time.

 

Seems to me like you're smoking the same thing Eld is.... >.>  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can I have some?

 

It's stuff like this that doesn't help your case. It's vaguely game related by acknowledging that we don't have a read on you, and then just joking it off.

 

Nyn be Nyn.

 

 

I know I had a good amount of fluff at the beginning too. Doesn't change the fact that I can't read you yet by what you've said so far. And apparently I'm not the only one.

 

Lets get something straight. I can totally respect you not being able to read me yet. That's fine. And You're welcome to ask me anything if you think it'll help you understand where I'm coming from. But you're not just gonna strut in, label most of my content as fluff, and walk away. That's not gonna fly with me. And it's hypocritical because I had a quick look at your own content and... lol. So. When you have something constructive to say, lmk.

 

 

 

 

 

It's stuff like this that doesn't help your case. It's vaguely game related by acknowledging that we don't have a read on you, and then just joking it off.

 

I'm not joking it off. I think it's a stupid and false observation and I'm treating it as such.

 

 

Here is your posts out of the first 175 posts. Bolded is game related. The ratio hasn't really changed much.

 

 

Post #53,54,56. Nyn bumps. Fluff

Post #57. Can't remember last time you played. Liked Thane's enthusiasm.

Mostly fluff. I suppose the enthusiasm thing can be vaguely game-related.

Post #59 IRT Thane saying he needs hunting wolves for a distraction at work.

You agree. Fluff.

Post #60 Vote on Zander, explained later as being joke vote for previous game with him.

Post #61 Comment on similarities between BG and BFG's names. Effectively fluff, even though it's game related in a way.

Post #62 Asking Zander why he thinks Lily and I were "trying hard" to sell a connection between us.

Post #63 GIF of you listening to music and crying. Fluff.

Post #74 You approve of BFG nominating BG. Fluff.

Post #80 You explain that your vote on Z is a joke vote, but then give reason to keep it there because you are iffy about his Lily/Me theory. Your "being cautious with him" is to leave your vote on him after saying it's a joke.

Post #81 You snerk at Nolder's reason for voting Laine. Game related, as it's a reaction to game content.

Post #85,88 Talk about BFG's list being about "comparing boob sizes". Fluff.

Post #96 Reaction to co-mod "checking in". Fluff.

Post #156 Commenting to Z that his post didn't come off as a joke.

Post #158 Telling us you're still catching up.

Post #160 More Bumps fluff.

Post #161 Replying to Z about the joke issue. Explaining why it wasn't clear to you.

Post #165 Fluff comment about Clov commenting about his "not reading the thread yet". In retrospect, I didn't realize at the time that he wasn't a player when I responded to it.

Post #167 Unvote Zander

Post #175 Seconding the comment that Cory is affecting your read on Zander

 

Hey! Better. This is what I was rambling about. This is much better. However I'm not sure the point you are trying to make here. It wasn't whether Nyn's actions were town or not because you said you had basically a null read. You claimed she was mostly fluff and wasn't helping much... but by your quoted ISO analysis above there's at least a 9-10 game related ration there, so it's about even by the evidence you give. So I guess I'm confused as to your point.

 

 

 

I don't understand Eldrick, and it's not a confident read in any way shape or form. But the pushes on him bother me. I'll need to wait till I'm at a computer to MQ to go into more detail on his content and the pushes on him.

I don't understand him either (in case that wasn't blatantly obvious). And usually when we're in a game together, at the back of my head I tend to dismiss him as derptown because I'm like.... oh I always think he's scummy cause he makes zero sense... and my scumhunting is largely based on finding logic flaws. So when he's town, that makes him an easy lynchbait. And that mindset works great.... except when he's scum and I screw myself over. It's kind of a problem.

This exactly lol

 

DerpTown, lol. So is Eld the new Rand? (Love you Rand, but man you pulled some derp moves). 

 

Looking at Pral's content, I don't really mind his nudges at Sooh for her reaction testing BG. I think it was warranted.

 

 

My issue is the vagueness of this post. I would like Pral to expand on who of that group he thinks is most likely to be scum and why... otherwise this post is completely useless.

 

Something about the whole Lily exchange with Zander, Nolder voting Lily for it and unvoting her with just an explanation from her. And, Alanna being dragged into it by Sooh. There is definitely a bad one in this exchange,

 

 

Another thing that's bother me is that Sooh is basically the only one he's bothered looking into.

 

 

 

So... suffice to say I'd like a read list from Pral asap.

I agree with Nolder and Nyn that Pral needs to participate more. 

 

 

Please read the spoiler above:

Other musings:

 

@Zander - I understand you didn't like my reasoning for feeling Misrepped. But you aren't me, so of course you don't feel you misrepresented me. Anyway. Not sure what you mean by my explanation is "hollow". You've said that twice at least. Anyway, my read on you is null. There's been a butt-load of meta talk about you which I can't really participate in. 

 

BFG and Sooh I've got town read on right now. I've liked the style and way they prod and are searching for information.

 

[v]Thane[/v]

 

This is where in my head I'm least conflicted. Didn't like his insanity post earlier on, true I missed his explanation initially but that has nothing to do with it, I didn't like the follow up to it as I mentioned before. Plus pegging someone as 99.9% is a flag to me. 

[Nolder]

 

I actually would like to hear from NYN irt Nolder, since she saw the same things I saw in Rustlemania, I wanna know if she's feeling the same thing here. What are YOUR thoughts on Nolder, in summary?

 

Nolder likes to pull the confused act when he's scum. Tends to ask obtuse questions just to have something to talk about.

 

These string of posts pretty much articulates that:

 

 

Can you expand on what you're seeing connects Pral to myself and Lily? I'm not understanding that.

 

What?

 

Explain the blue and red for me please because I am not understanding.

Am I with Lily or am I with Alanna and Pral?

 

 

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

Ok ok I get it

 

YOU think I'm with Pral and Alanna

 

but you think PRAL should have had me with Lily based on what he said

 

I see where I was getting confused now sorry.

 

Oh, well I misunderstood then.

 

I'm willing to unvote for now as well then.

Seems like a case of bad communication all around.

 

[unvote]

 

 

Just comes across like it's very important for all of us to know that Nolder is confused. 

 

 

 

Beyond the above he doesn't have much in the sense of content. 

 

He has this post: 

 

 

You know...maybe Alanna was right about Eldrick being awkward or off.

I'm starting to get that feeling as well. I'm not sure if it's the way he puts things or that he's usually so agreeable or what but it doesn't feel right.

I don't remember feeling this way about him in past games ftr.

 

Which sounds fake to me and has him basically following you (ie Laine) irt Eldrick.

 

 

Then there's him asking Zander who he wouldn't include in his town core and him naming Pral when asked cause he doesn't particularly like Pral's contribution to scumhunting in games. First of all, that's a terrible reason to pick Pral after 20+ pages of content. It's ironic because Nolder hasn't contributed any substance to the game either so... lol? And thirdly, I'm surprised he didn't pick Eldrick after the post above. A content based FoS is always better than a policy based one. Especially when the policy based one is complete BS.

 

 

I could definitely vote here today. But I want to finish some more ISOs before deciding. Glad the deadline got a bit extended to allow for that. =)

 

Oh wow. Ok I get what you're saying but my questions aren't "obtuse" nor are they meant to deflect from or continue an argument.

Look at the argument I had with Sili several games back, I waited pages and pages and pages to even budge from my "confusion" (some of which was genuine lol).

You think a question asked and answered is suspicious? I mean ok if that's what you want to do but you're just wrong.

[Nolder]

[v]Nolder[/v]  wakey wakey, sleeping beauty 

About an hour early darling. ;)

[Nynaeve]

Oh wow. Ok I get what you're saying but my questions aren't "obtuse" nor are they meant to deflect from or continue an argument.

Look at the argument I had with Sili several games back, I waited pages and pages and pages to even budge from my "confusion" (some of which was genuine lol).

You think a question asked and answered is suspicious? I mean ok if that's what you want to do but you're just wrong.

 

It's not about a question being asked and answered. It's about you repeatedly usingt the word confusion and misunderstanding in your posts. It might not have caught my attention with someone else, but as far as you're concerned it is always a warning sign.

 

What about the rest of the things I addressed? Nothing on that?

[Zander?]

Weird in what way??

 

OMG so far this is like one of the most boring and average games I've played in a year or two.

Maybe that's why...idk. Can you and Alanna both be more specific with what's "weird" about me?

 

 

Weird as in weird....I dont think Im the only person whose described your posts this way either.

 

The i dont get it. i dont understand posts, some of which dont seem all the complicated to understand.imo.

 

The reason for voting Pral was hellibad as well.

 

Youre not making much if any sense really with most of your posts.  The only thing really holding me back on you atp was the fact I was wrong about you last game and I want some more to base a solid read on you from.

[Nolder]

 

Laine/Zander

 

 

 

Eldrick is not awake, first posts of the game.... meh, it's D1. Personally i don't heed it much attention and think the game will start once more people check in. I'm excited to play with everybody here, so i hope the players will show up quickly and we can get it going

 

Response to Turin

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

 

Generic comment that has no conclusions

 

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

the voting done by people... i'm still trying to figure out what happened and what triggered it....

 

 

Something and nothing 

 

I'll spoiler this, just to avoid the HUGE WoT that's coming:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

the voting done by people... i'm still trying to figure out what happened and what triggered it....

 

Any success?

 

for me, not really, no. I've read over it a few times, but it still makes my head hurt. I'll definately look back at it once we have a flip or two though, maybe it'll all come together then.

 

Something about the whole Lily exchange with Zander, Nolder voting Lily for it and unvoting her with just an explanation from her. And, Alanna being dragged into it by Sooh. There is definitely a bad one in this exchange,

definately? don't know. But highly possible. But, as said above, i think it's a good thing to look back after some flips. Then it'd make more sense.

 

Day 1 is a whole 'nother ball game when you don't know people's meta. It's kind of refreshing actually. 

 

 

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

 

This is a question that needs answering. Also high five on the avatar. 

 

I like Sooh's approach here. She doesn't know anything about me or my meta. So she pokes at me to learn more. Day 1 is all about the subtle pokes and seeing how people react. Underreactions and over reactions are the only meat we really have to go on. 

 

@Turin - I noticed the same soft claim thing but was kind of sitting on it to see if Zander was going to bring it up again or make a big deal out of it again. It always is fishy to me when people bring up claims so early either way, but not knowing meta wasn't sure what to make of it.

 

I think I'm willing to [v]Zander [/v] for now for this reason. Good as any at this point.

 

bolded: I did answer, and came back to it earlier this post.  purple: agreed, but there's subtle poking and poking with jackhammers. Both give reactions, surely, but poking with jackhammers is extreme. 

 

 

BFG / BG avis are killing me. I demand BFG switch back.

 

I'll be back, I need a shower because I'm gross.

It's worse because BFG's avi is a G clef, while BG's is an F clef

 

someone knows their music *approves*

 

 

Do we always get into real content this quickly on DM now.

 

I miss the foreplay

 

It used to be all fun and games D1 and maybe half a day of 'real play' just before DL. Those times are seemingly dead and buried indeed. But, in this game, i like the lower postcount mixed with high content. It makes games fun and easier to read.

 

Loving the avis for this game

Personally, they confuse me... but i'll manage.

 

 

Player Roster:

 

1. Turin

2. Zander

3. Sooh

4. Nolder

5. Laine

6. Nyn

7. Pral

8. Eldrick

9. Lily

10. Thane

11. BGrishinko

12. BFG

 

These were dark times, alright, but the Winchesters were used to it. With good friends, good weapons, and more stubbornness than was natural, they would rid the world of the demons who terrorized innocent people. The only problem was, they could look like anyone. It was time to do some hunting.

 

It is now Day One! A deadline has been set for Thursday, February 4^th at 1pm. (I fly out at 5pm, so I wanted to make certain I would be here.)

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Open for interpretation?

 

the bolded? mods put anything in there, and i don't know if they hint at anything in their opening posts. Anything is open for interpretation, but if it would do any good? I dunno. Mods will mod

 

Clearly not. Just not directly with what I was paying attention to, apparently.

 

My bad. [unvote]

 

Back to trying to sleep.

Eldrick confirmed not paying attention, lol

 

Probably lookin something like this:

 

Alanna

Zander

BFG

Turin

Thane

bgrishinko

Pralaya

Nyn

Lily

Nolder

Sooh

Eldrick

 

If you want explanations, I'm just going to YOLO really quick. I've explained my thoughts on Zander, even with his changes I believe he is town, but I probably wouldn't lynch him today regardless because I want more of a sample from him. Anyways, he's town slotted. BFG is feeling more BFG than in Clov's game, which is a strange thing to say but I wasn't really reading her as town last game and here I am feeling a lot better about her. Turin has been providing thoughts and I've mostly liked what he's had to say, I've also enjoyed his pushes and the reasoning behind them. Thane is skating by on his early excitement, but I want MOAR to get a stronger read either way. BG would be my weakest town read since it's based purely on gut at this point, so we'll see what happens there as well. Of course Pralaya is purely null- I don't see any extra activity from him even with a smaller page count so I'd really like for him to get in here and give us his thoughts. Nyn is null for me as well, there are some things I'm looking for from her which I haven't seen so I don't feel comfortable calling her town. Lily is there for her vote thing, Nolder for his, and an overall weirdness. Plus Nolder is pinging for trying to buddy me and an overall gut-scum feeling. Sooh is all over the place and it's frustrating because I don't know what is due to sickness or what could be scummy, so I'll wait for her to improve. She definitely doesn't feel like town!Sooh at this point. Eldrick is different from his normal weird and not in a good way. I agree that some of his posts feel forced and he seems to be posting more jokes than content at this point when I would prefer the opposite especially when some are making an extra effort to tone it down.

Actually, not a bad list at all. I'm here at this point:

 

Thane

Turin

Alanna

BFG

Zander

bgrishinko

Nyn

Pralaya

 

 Sooh

Lily

Nolder

Eldrick 

 

 

The order would be "most likely to be town to least likely to be town" at this point. I'm really liking Turin so far. Zander,  who i am slowly starting the figure out (the lolololol-guy was easier to read imo, but whatever), is in the town pile for now. Though early softclaiming and all, not really a fan of it. Eldrick, at this point, looking worst of all. Nolder's play gives me a little tingle when reading it. not going to put him to the townie folk, slight wolfie lean. all the other people? If you're black, i still need some time to figure you out, so you're null, for now. You're green without comment? I like the tone and/or gameplay so far

 

 

 

 

I'll be around some, working this night (been nearly 2 years since i had my last nightshift, ugh)

 

 

Bunch of quotes that have no relevance to his list, which is mostly unexplained except 'tone' 

 

I can, yes.

 

ohh... 

 

wait a sec... 

 

you want me to? Ok, that works:

 

Overall, i like Turin's involvement in the game. Questioning, poking, investigating. He's 99.9% town imo this game. When questioned, he does try to explain, in his best way, the point he wanted to make. 

Sooh: I don't know. I can't point a finger and say 'town' or 'wolf'. I'll give her some time to get better and perhaps I'll be able to read her better later on in the game.

Nolder: As i said, it's a feeling at the back of my mind when reading his posts this game. Spidey sense, sorta. It's not a full blown wolf-accusation yet, but he's on my radar for now

Response to Zander

 

 

 

What am I missing?

 

The only game (I remember) he's given out a unreasoned list as town was GnD when he was catching up on 170odd pages in a day. In other games as town most of his reads list is substantiated by thoughts/opinions/questions/responses already in thread or in his catch up post which is game related, this game there's none. In Nightmare he was behind a lot of the game, but his thread presence/content was still better than this game, and his reads were substantiated in thread despite the fact he had about 10 posts when he made his early reads.

 

At the moment his posting is reminding me most of Diablo, the reads list is a quarter step in the right direction but the fact they're unsubstantiated is massively concerning.

 

I have higher expectations of his town game than this :/

 

 

His effort level is there, he seems excited and committed to playing the game and has, for Thane a fairly decent thread presence.

 

Stuff I tend to associate with his Town game.  If I'm wrong on Thane he'll be easy enough to catch imo.

 

 

More agro Zander. Not really a good look. Maybe Sooh is right. 

 

I'll give my whole list in a while I wanna check something first. Right now top of my head WTL is Nolder, Eldrick, Thane, Zander, Alanna, Pral. Not really in any order at present. I will review and sort.

 

Whats agro irt to Mafia?

 

What exactly is Sooh right about Turin cause she's yet to prove or validate 1 thing about her case on me?

 

 

You're welcome :D

 

Thank you?

 

1. Turin: Town by PM

2. Zander-mafia (soft claimed one of the brothers) Soft claiming is bad to me. most likely mafia driven in this case. Has felt like posts edgy like he is chafing at not being allowed to use his smo of posting his way to town read. I don't think the early post was a joke. I don't like his responses to my calling him on his soft claim. 

3. Sooh-null to town: This is in part due to my thoughts on Z/Laine.

4. Nolder-null to mafia. I'm going back and forth about who is more likely mafia. Nolder may just be being weird here. I think I'm going to let him off today.

5. Laine-mafia. See thoughts in above post.

6. Nyn- null to town. Not too much content. understandable due to RL. (I hope your dog is getting better) Nothing really pinging at this time.

7. Pral- null to mafia. Not much content but I don't like the one real post where he called out 5 players and said there must be one baddie in there. looks like trying to be useful while not really being useful.

8. Eldrick- mafia lean. Early Thane thing not good to me. some other things that I can't  recall all of right now. 

9. Lily- null. Lily being maleable is kind of how I remember her. Add in some RL distraction and I don't have any real read on her at this time.

10. Thane- mafia. I see all sorts of interaction between him and others I am suspicious of. Z and Laine have him as too high on their lists IMO. Eldrick may have spewed him maf. Plus his reaction to Eldrick and then my vote on him feels a bit of the same "don't engage and hope it goes away" that mafia will use on early votes. My only real concern is that it may be a case of mafia leaving him for a later mislynch. 

 

11. BGrishinko- null to town. Not much to see here so far. Call it a gut read.

12. BFG-  Town. Like her stances. Like her posts. 

 

Obviously I have too many mafia/leans. my difficulty is that I am seeing two distinct possibilities. Z/Laine is something weird to me. Z mostly for tone. His posts feel snippy. Laine for her determination to not allow herself to read Z as mafia despite the things that she says regarding his early "joke". Both of them having Thane too high makes me curious there as well. The other has been Eldrick along with Pral and Nolder?/Thane?. I noted that Eldrick said something to the effect that he wants to see Pral in action. Then that he wants to give him more time. There is no real reasoning there to justify the position tho.

 

Unvote

 

Votre: Zander

 

 

willing to vote Alanna, Thane, Eldrick, Nolder, Pral in that order  

 

So let me get this straight. You're voting me for soft claiming, something Ive only ever done as Town, (yes easy to do that as Mafia as well) something I just did in my last game.  Id like a little more credit then repeating the same thing from last game  You accused me of "shoving it down" people's throats when I only made 1 non responsive post concerning it.

 

Then you say me posting is edgy cause I cant post count my way Town game.  I post just as much as either alignment and have proven more then once each way.  My posting cap is cause I was asked to, so I adjusted me play style some.  But lets make one thing clear if I want to break my post count restrictions, I will because its self imposed.

 

And also you think that in my Scum game instead of coasting off of my normal Minority villa game, I'd change my style completely take the much harder route, repeat the same thing from last game that caused people to suss me and completely avoid the path of least resistance?

 

Give your head a shake,

 

This is a good example of what Lily is talking about btw.

You're not just saying your meta here even, you're throwing it around like a weapon.

If you know your meta and even fell into it last game what's to stop you from abusing it?

I personally don't care one way or another in this case (didn't even notice a soft claim but please don't) but it really does illustrate the point she made earlier perfectly.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

I'm actually gonna switch up and [unvote] [v]Nolder[/v] because I want some pressure there

Talk to me about Sooh.  Im currently voting her,  The reasoning is pretty obv imo.  Can you also touch on how you feel irt my arguments against her.

 

Dont just start voting random please it sketches me out.

LOL who was it who complained about me not voting? It was probably Nolder. But I think I can put him lower on my list due to that FEELING when he's mafia. It's just there. And Thane brought it up a page or so back and it reminded me of it so I switched over. I actually would like to hear from NYN irt Nolder, since she saw the same things I saw in Rustlemania, I wanna know if she's feeling the same thing here. What are YOUR thoughts on Nolder, in summary?

 

As for Soohhhh at lot of my pings were her pushes on you which I didn't think were legitimate at all, as well as her TOAN and a few other things but let me go back and check what you've said recently. I'm a little wary to push a lynch on Sooh today because she's sick and I wouldn't want to push a potential mislynch through due to change in behavior from sickness =/

 

 

Nolder Id have to go back and ISO but his posts are just weird.  I wanna look back before passing judgement on him atp.  I have more legit suspects atm I wanna pursue first.

 

I know Sooh is sick but what really sunk her for me was her "case" on me.  It had 0 merits and I dont think sick effects that imo.

 

You kind of already passed judgment but ok lol.

 

 

 

So Null is passing judgement now Nol is it......

 

 

 

This is a good example of what Lily is talking about btw.

You're not just saying your meta here even, you're throwing it around like a weapon.

If you know your meta and even fell into it last game what's to stop you from abusing it?

I personally don't care one way or another in this case (didn't even notice a soft claim but please don't) but it really does illustrate the point she made earlier perfectly.

 

 

Im talking about Meta cause it Sooh's whole case against me when she (and most everyone else) have said im playing completely different then any game.

 

Show me this point of Lily's as well if you dont mind.

[Nolder]

 

Oh wow. Ok I get what you're saying but my questions aren't "obtuse" nor are they meant to deflect from or continue an argument.

Look at the argument I had with Sili several games back, I waited pages and pages and pages to even budge from my "confusion" (some of which was genuine lol).

You think a question asked and answered is suspicious? I mean ok if that's what you want to do but you're just wrong.

 

It's not about a question being asked and answered. It's about you repeatedly usingt the word confusion and misunderstanding in your posts. It might not have caught my attention with someone else, but as far as you're concerned it is always a warning sign.

 

What about the rest of the things I addressed? Nothing on that?

 

Ok. Well again this would be a false alarm.

 

And no I have nothing to say about that other stuff.

I explained why I felt weird about Eldrick, did Alanna?

I already addressed my opinion on Pral more than once now. Don't really care what you think about it tbh.

[Nynaeve]

[v]Thane[/v]

 

This is where in my head I'm least conflicted. Didn't like his insanity post earlier on, true I missed his explanation initially but that has nothing to do with it, I didn't like the follow up to it as I mentioned before. Plus pegging someone as 99.9% is a flag to me. 

 

eh

[Nynaeve]

The reason for voting Pral was hellibad as well.

 

I don't think he ever voted Pral

[Clovdyx]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Nolder(2):  Alannalynn,  Nynaeve

Sooh(2): Pralaya, Zander

alannalynn(1): Lily

Thane(2): BFG, bgrishinko

Zander(1): Turin

 

Not Voting: Thane, Nolder, Sooh

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at 11:00 PM EST on 2/5.

[Eldrick4221]

You're right nolder. I read that completely wrong.

 

[unvote]

[Nolder]

 

Weird in what way??

 

OMG so far this is like one of the most boring and average games I've played in a year or two.

Maybe that's why...idk. Can you and Alanna both be more specific with what's "weird" about me?

 

 

Weird as in weird....I dont think Im the only person whose described your posts this way either.

 

The i dont get it. i dont understand posts, some of which dont seem all the complicated to understand.imo.

 

The reason for voting Pral was hellibad as well.

 

Youre not making much if any sense really with most of your posts.  The only thing really holding me back on you atp was the fact I was wrong about you last game and I want some more to base a solid read on you from.

 

Weird as in weird. Uh huh.

And then you proceed to use reasoning used by other people.

Great post Zander. 10/10 town action right there. /s

[Nolder]

I'm going to get some breakfast so you'll have to look up Lily's thing yourself Zander or wait until I come back.

 

Eldrick for the record your unvote doesn't make me feel any better about the misrep.

[bgrishinko]

@Nyn - What you say is not untrue. I'm poking around looking for inconsistencies, half truths or manipulations. If I'm given a reasonable explanation or pointed to evidence that I missed then I retract my pokes. 

[Sooh]

Sooh, you here?

Am now.

[Sooh]

I like BG and BFG for town atm. 

 

Perhaps Turin. I'm not sure.

[Nynaeve]

@Nyn - What you say is not untrue. I'm poking around looking for inconsistencies, half truths or manipulations. If I'm given a reasonable explanation or pointed to evidence that I missed then I retract my pokes. 

 

How is what I said untrue if I've yet to decide if what you're doing is legitimately poking around?   

[Zander?]

 

The reason for voting Pral was hellibad as well.

 

I don't think he ever voted Pral

 

 

Thats correct.  The reason why he wanted to or wouldnt let into his Town Core.

 

 

 

Weird in what way??

 

OMG so far this is like one of the most boring and average games I've played in a year or two.

Maybe that's why...idk. Can you and Alanna both be more specific with what's "weird" about me?

 

 

Weird as in weird....I dont think Im the only person whose described your posts this way either.

 

The i dont get it. i dont understand posts, some of which dont seem all the complicated to understand.imo.

 

The reason for voting Pral was hellibad as well.

 

Youre not making much if any sense really with most of your posts.  The only thing really holding me back on you atp was the fact I was wrong about you last game and I want some more to base a solid read on you from.

 

Weird as in weird. Uh huh.

And then you proceed to use reasoning used by other people.

Great post Zander. 10/10 town action right there. /s

 

 

How about you hit a 1/10 town action post first before criticizing someone else.  Im also pretty sure I was the 1st one to call your posts weird fwiw.  I also used more then just weird to describe you so theres also that.  I did mention as well I wanted to ISO you first when asked about it yesterday/last night.

[Zander?]

I'm going to get some breakfast so you'll have to look up Lily's thing yourself Zander or wait until I come back.

 

Eldrick for the record your unvote doesn't make me feel any better about the misrep.

 

 

Nope I'll wait for you to try and prove your own point against me.