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Zander? · January 8, 2016

Previous attempts to be "towny" in the intro felt goofy and insincere and she eventually quit doing them and reverted to keeping it generic.

This time she's like "holy s--- guys I actually randed town" in a way that feels like she means it.

How long was the hiatus? Because upon return from my hiatus I think people can say I was pretty different.

With the amount of content in this game by her though, I see no reason for you to use that intro post so much. How bout the rest of her game? Show me what Cass did other than the intro that made Shad town read her?

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Previous attempts to be "towny" in the intro felt goofy and insincere and she eventually quit doing them and reverted to keeping it generic.

This time she's like "holy s--- guys I actually randed town" in a way that feels like she means it.

How long was the hiatus? Because upon return from my hiatus I think people can say I was pretty different.

With the amount of content in this game by her though, I see no reason for you to use that intro post so much. How bout the rest of her game? Show me what Cass did other than the intro that made Shad town read her?

Are you thinking Shad cleared her to easy? What did that make you feel about Shad?

Zander? · January 8, 2016

Im to lazy to do colors atm

1. Shad ------ Town Lean, half green half grey.

2. Kaylee ---- No flippin idea.

3. Zander --- Town, dark green

4. Turin ----- Claimed Doc, not gonna fight it on D1, if hes lying we will figure it out later

5. Pizza ----- Town, Dark Green

6. Csarmi --- Grey/light red, do something. Might vote you for the heck of it.

7. Laine ----- town lean, bout the same as Shad but some more green

8. Leno ------ Hai

9. Wish-tree - I feel one of Wish/Celeste is scum, leaning towards Celeste

10. Pralaya -- Post, tempted to vote you with Nolder just for the heck of it

11. Celeste -- Scum for the day imo

12. Nolder --- As I said, dont think he can last. If hes scum he will only get scummier, if he is town he will stay town or get townier. Currently think hes town

13. Cass (with Cory mentoring) - Think town, but with a Cory Mentor who knows. I forgot Cory was mentoring her until now when I checked the front so yay. Tricks

[v]Celeste[/v]

Right back to stage one. Gonna go back and get the quotes that stood out to me for Celeste.

2nd time you vote Celeste without any real reasoning...why???

Zander? · January 8, 2016

Posting as I go:

up to p8, a lot of fluff--the obligatory declaring himself town and lock clearing Laine--asks Cass about her scum game and asks people for meta on her, doesn't like that she didn't specify her mild concerns with Zander and Laine. Null

#159 -- Cass had explained what was bothering her, Z asks why she thinks he feels forced and gets confused, thinks Cass is talking to him instead of Laine regarding a previous game.

OFC YOU CAN USE THE LOLOLOLOLOLOL

ALSO TELL CORY I LOVE HIM!!!!!!

:wub: :wub:

I've never played with you/seen you Town, but I'd expect you to just LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! (or at least Lol first)

No need to tell him, he's reading along :P

Cass I have no Meta on you...is joke votes normal for you? How do you play? What are your scum tells??? Or is it just straight Rand.Org has forever branded you a Wolf??!!!

lmklmklmk

- Joke votes are not normal for me except if I feel relatively comfortable with someone both inside and outside the game.

- Dice and Penny are probably the only players I would jokevote at this stage of my career.

- Voting is not something I do lightly in any case (to this point). I don't like being wrong. I'm think I'm learning the advantages of throwing votes around, but it's not something I easily/naturally want to do when there's a game to win!!

I play... differently to this? More carefully/sensored? Usually. As either alignment. But I'm hyper! (winding down) and trying not to take the game so seriously, trying to be more me than a player, if that makes sense? Blame Chris/Cory if I don't make sense. They encouraged the unleashing of #FullCass! :D :D

good morning

Morning Turin havent played with you in a long time or really much at all for that matter looking forward to it man!!!!

it has been a while. let's lunch some wolves.

Lets do this brother!!!

#Gutread awkward

Turin have you played with Cass??

Like do you have any Meta on her?

Im a pretty heavy Meta reliant player so I need some info on her.

#Gutread more awkward because bold reads forced/unnecessary

Z, I think I played once or twice with her in the game. I don't recall a lot about her but I think she is a more analytical player. I recall dice always having to tell her to go to sleep.

For me, I'm Turin and I like lazy Sunday mornings in bed, medium sized walks in the park and living here in the shire.

I'm town. Like always.

I can be analytical when I put my mind to it. I like sifting through stuff and finding nitty-gritty inconsistencies. That goes for play in either alignment.

I've tried to sleep more the last couple of games. I think you're more likely to understand me correctly this game if you think like Dice and just question if I seem like me.

TLDR I'm wary, but I doubt I'm voting you today Zan, because I want fun :D If you're Town and we figure each other out this game will #FULLTWINENFPFTW!

How serious, if at all are you with the lolololololol part??? And also I always need to tell Cory i love him ldo!!!!! lollololololol

Thanks for the Meta info, I look forward to hearing others weigh in on it!!! and I cant wait to see #FULLCASS....i picture something like this....

It seems like you've already come in with the preconceived notion of reading me scummy and that's not a good look my dear...Like each of my interactions youve felt off about, I mean I get that people Ive never played with before may sense that but its just that all youre using is Forced and Awkward....and like 6 pages in, that seems very weird, but then I'm also weighing in the ENFP so Im kinda meh with this, but something Im noticing fwiw.

Why would you think my Meta talk is forced or unnecessary, especially sense theres a bunch of players I havent played with much or at all and the fact that everyone who has played with me will tell you IM EXACTLY a Meta reliant player???!!!!

Well I want to make sure we figure each other out because so far it feels a little off putting to me my dear!!!!

Kind of weird, Zander's calling Cass scum pretty early out the gate because she said a few of his statements felt forced or awkward? It's kind of OMGUSy.

Where do I call her scum here Shad...I made an observation. The pic is a joke to how often she rands wolf lolololololol

Ah, well, I didn't take it as a joke. You followed it up with suspicion. I suppose it could have been a joke though.

Its kind of a running joke in Maf chat.

Zander? · January 8, 2016

uuuuugh fine

[unvote][v]Pral[/v]

Lets do something.

Have you even really mentioned Pral atp besides saying Im not against voting him. Didnt you also say you werent gonna sheep this game....

Zander? · January 8, 2016

9. Wish-tree - I feel one of Wish/Celeste is scum, leaning towards Celeste

What is your take on the link between these two players?

They are defending and playing off of each other like a hydra/teammates. I cant shake the feeling that atleast one of them has tmi or something.

Why one of them? I mean you voted Celeste twice atp. How do you feel about this now?

Zander? · January 8, 2016

How about we don't lynch Pralaya?

I might need some of you guys to vote with me, and if you're lynching Pralaya that won't happen.

If folks have already checked out of this round and I'm wasting my time let me know. But I might need some heroes in a couple hours.

Who are you looking to lynch today? Cause I would still like Celeste and am only on Pral cause I felt bad for Nolder and dont have that big a problem with it.

Zander? · January 8, 2016

I found something really really interesting about Kaylee.

I think it's actually something that will completely turn this round around. I think she might be completely caught, and when I explain it, it will be tough for anyone to disagree with the point.

It's so ridiculously simple and it's EVERYWHERE in her posting. It's not an isolated wierd incident it's her entire play to date.

But before I fire all my lazars, I need help on something:

Who here has played with Kaylee a lot? Do you remember a recent villager game of hers?

I need to make sure what I'm seeing isn't just Kaylee's.... normal way of doing things.

This is so fundamental that I will seriously only need to check one villager game of hers real quick to see if there's a difference.

If there is, she's completely caught.

Show me your magic Pizza. Show me this over baked, deep dish masterpiece.

Zander? · January 8, 2016

Night all.

Not sure i will be back. Hopefully.

I'm Ysera. Hunt well.

Is this supposed to mean something? are you VT? Why claim here....i dont get it......

Shad wanted me to claim. I wont be back before deadline most likely. So there.

I may or may not be VT. Does that matter?

just claim your full role. -_-

You're getting lynched.

Is he now? And when was this decided?

I dunno what to make of this in light of Csarmi's Scum flip.

Zander? · January 8, 2016

Remind me why Lenlo is so high on people's lists?

Dunno

Pizza, Zander, your fighting over stupid stuff. Pizza, we both know that the way your responding riles Zander up instead of actually talking to him. Zander, stop using all caps and communicate like a big boy. Srs its D1, stop town imploding on each other.

As of the last VC how much time do we have?

Another post from Len that I like

Zander? · January 8, 2016

Now people are asking about me not being around. Question: Wheres Cass? Shes been pretty hard townread by people as well but is gonzo. Thought she was doing well early but id like her thoughts on the now.

agreed

seems like she's skating by, as Pizza said

(but now that you're around, let's do some work?)

Its not work if you enjoy it. Do I enjoy it? Sometimes. Rereading a 106 page game is definitely work though.

I think you can change the # posts per page to make it less pages. What do you think about who we should lynch today?

Pizza/Zander fight is stupid. Honestly, the only people who I /want/ to lynch today are Celeste and the missing wonder brothers, Pral and Csarmi. Everyone else has been pretty good or I think will be figured out easier later.

Really ill lynch anyone that isnt Pizza, Zander, Nolder, Shad, Turin.

But you havent even cased any of them. This is kinda weird to me....youve been after Celeste and have voted her twice without really any reasoning.

Zander? · January 8, 2016

I have to go very shortly, it's almost midnight here.

Do you guys want me to make the call? There seems to be a lack of village leadership.

If not, I'd follow Shad.

If not, I'll vote with Turin.

*whispers* Make the call. Pull the trigger Pizza.

About that not sheeping thing you talked about.....lololololololol

Zander? · January 8, 2016

For me its Csarmi/Zander today, leaning Csarmi.

Im in his not lynching D1 one list....he calls me and Pizza's argument Town vs Town and now.....wants to vote me. NONE OF THE 4 PEOPLE HE WANTS TO VOTE TODAY HAS HE BUILT A CASE ON JUST FOLLOWING OTHERS......just sayin'......!!!!!!

Zander? · January 8, 2016

In most scenarios? Pizza, Shad, Nolder. Ive waivered abit on Zander, but still think hes town.

But yeah, Town Core: Pizza Shad Nolder.

Now Im back to Town eh.....this is not a good look imo

Lenlo · January 8, 2016

For me its Csarmi/Zander today, leaning Csarmi.

Im in his not lynching D1 one list....he calls me and Pizza's argument Town vs Town and now.....wants to vote me. NONE OF THE 4 PEOPLE HE WANTS TO VOTE TODAY HAS HE BUILT A CASE ON JUST FOLLOWING OTHERS......just sayin'......!!!!!!

That was of the trains going that day and you know it. Celeste wasn't an option and if it was gonna be between you and Pizza like you were making it out to be, I'm picking you.

Lenlo · January 8, 2016

In most scenarios? Pizza, Shad, Nolder. Ive waivered abit on Zander, but still think hes town.

But yeah, Town Core: Pizza Shad Nolder.

Now Im back to Town eh.....this is not a good look imo

You never wavered from town you numbnut. Simply how much town

Shad_ · January 8, 2016

Posting as I go:

up to p8, a lot of fluff--the obligatory declaring himself town and lock clearing Laine--asks Cass about her scum game and asks people for meta on her, doesn't like that she didn't specify her mild concerns with Zander and Laine. Null

#159 -- Cass had explained what was bothering her, Z asks why she thinks he feels forced and gets confused, thinks Cass is talking to him instead of Laine regarding a previous game.

OFC YOU CAN USE THE LOLOLOLOLOLOL

ALSO TELL CORY I LOVE HIM!!!!!!

:wub: :wub:

I've never played with you/seen you Town, but I'd expect you to just LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! (or at least Lol first)

No need to tell him, he's reading along :P

Cass I have no Meta on you...is joke votes normal for you? How do you play? What are your scum tells??? Or is it just straight Rand.Org has forever branded you a Wolf??!!!

lmklmklmk

- Joke votes are not normal for me except if I feel relatively comfortable with someone both inside and outside the game.

- Dice and Penny are probably the only players I would jokevote at this stage of my career.

- Voting is not something I do lightly in any case (to this point). I don't like being wrong. I'm think I'm learning the advantages of throwing votes around, but it's not something I easily/naturally want to do when there's a game to win!!

I play... differently to this? More carefully/sensored? Usually. As either alignment. But I'm hyper! (winding down) and trying not to take the game so seriously, trying to be more me than a player, if that makes sense? Blame Chris/Cory if I don't make sense. They encouraged the unleashing of #FullCass! :D :D

good morning

Morning Turin havent played with you in a long time or really much at all for that matter looking forward to it man!!!!

it has been a while. let's lunch some wolves.

Lets do this brother!!!

#Gutread awkward

Turin have you played with Cass??

Like do you have any Meta on her?

Im a pretty heavy Meta reliant player so I need some info on her.

#Gutread more awkward because bold reads forced/unnecessary

Z, I think I played once or twice with her in the game. I don't recall a lot about her but I think she is a more analytical player. I recall dice always having to tell her to go to sleep.

For me, I'm Turin and I like lazy Sunday mornings in bed, medium sized walks in the park and living here in the shire.

I'm town. Like always.

I can be analytical when I put my mind to it. I like sifting through stuff and finding nitty-gritty inconsistencies. That goes for play in either alignment.

I've tried to sleep more the last couple of games. I think you're more likely to understand me correctly this game if you think like Dice and just question if I seem like me.

TLDR I'm wary, but I doubt I'm voting you today Zan, because I want fun :D If you're Town and we figure each other out this game will #FULLTWINENFPFTW!

How serious, if at all are you with the lolololololol part??? And also I always need to tell Cory i love him ldo!!!!! lollololololol

Thanks for the Meta info, I look forward to hearing others weigh in on it!!! and I cant wait to see #FULLCASS....i picture something like this....

It seems like you've already come in with the preconceived notion of reading me scummy and that's not a good look my dear...Like each of my interactions youve felt off about, I mean I get that people Ive never played with before may sense that but its just that all youre using is Forced and Awkward....and like 6 pages in, that seems very weird, but then I'm also weighing in the ENFP so Im kinda meh with this, but something Im noticing fwiw.

Why would you think my Meta talk is forced or unnecessary, especially sense theres a bunch of players I havent played with much or at all and the fact that everyone who has played with me will tell you IM EXACTLY a Meta reliant player???!!!!

Well I want to make sure we figure each other out because so far it feels a little off putting to me my dear!!!!

Kind of weird, Zander's calling Cass scum pretty early out the gate because she said a few of his statements felt forced or awkward? It's kind of OMGUSy.

Where do I call her scum here Shad...I made an observation. The pic is a joke to how often she rands wolf lolololololol

Ah, well, I didn't take it as a joke. You followed it up with suspicion. I suppose it could have been a joke though.

Its kind of a running joke in Maf chat.

I get that Cass rands wolf a lot. You expressed real suspicion, so I didn't take the #FULLCASS = wolf thing as a joke. It could have been a joke. Consider me null on it.

Post is still OMGUSy. What, in your opinion, was "very weird" about Cass singling out certain posts and calling them forced or awkward on page 6 of the game?

Nolder · January 8, 2016

Sitting here waiting for Night to end...

Anything going on or are we all just chit chatting?

Shad_ · January 8, 2016

I'm ISOing Zander and waiting for his response on the above....

Nolder · January 8, 2016

We've got another hour of waiting max right?

Lenlo · January 8, 2016

We've got another hour of waiting max right?

Hour 45 I think

Cass · January 8, 2016

Have you commented on what bothers you about Pral?

You've been pretty low on my radar so I don't remember.

I don't think so. It basically comes down to PoE and the impression that he didn't actually achieve much when he entered the thread. I haven't ISO'd him yet though.

Lenny isn't scum. Try again.

Laine, is this based as much on game as gut? Gut agrees with you but... yeah.

Shad_ · January 8, 2016

I think I just noticed a weird pattern in Zander's posts. Will Pizza be proud of me? Going to start counting how many times this happens.....

Kaylee · January 8, 2016

Leno: what are your thoughts on the case Alanna did on you?
It's alright, but it has holes and I'm pretty sure she's attributing the wrong posts to the wrong people/topics.
If she is show where please. This goes towards helping clear you.
I already pointed out parts of it when responding to Wish. One of her points about saying I believed Csarmi's claim, I think she misattributed. I believe I said that to Turin/about Turins claim, not Csarmis.

Ok, sorry forgot Wish put Alanna's case in her post.

Been a rough day and haven't had the chance to do the Zander ISO. Will try tomorrow if someone else hasn't by then.

Shad_ · January 8, 2016

#51 -- asks me to follow up on my early post by explaining my thoughts on Lenlo's and his own meta.

#53 -- Has no meta on Cass, asks her what her scum tells are.

#57 -- Asks Turin if he has any meta on Cass, says he's a meta-reliant player and needs info on her.

#58 -- Wants Turin to provide meta on himself, likes it when players describe themselves.

#164 -- Thinks Cass is suspect but has to weigh that against her being ENFP, doesn't like that she finds his meta talk awkward--"everyone who has played with me will tell you IM EXACTLY a Meta reliant player???!!!!"

#168 -- more talk on personality types, says Cass is ENFP

#174 -- won't read Pizza's (out-of-game) meta explanation until post-game because he's paranoid

#178 -- amused by my explanation of meta

#275 -- Thinks Cass is showing signs of ENFP paranoia and gut pings but isn't sure if she's faking it.

#283 -- Doesn't like that Cass expects Zander to read her on his own when he's a meta-reliant player and has no previous experience with her, says this "really really pings" him.

#285 -- Can't read Csarmi, always finds him scummy.

#300 -- Uneasy about Kaylee because she was deep wolf in Frozen.

#304 -- Doesn't know what to make of Wish because he has no meta on her, defers to Pizza.

#320 -- Thinks Cass's treatment of him is scummy, but acknowledges that it might be a consequence of her having never played with Zander before and being ENFP

#340 -- says he has a good handle on Laine's meta

#373 -- reiterates that Kaylee was deep wolf in Frozen

#378 -- has no meta on Cass and is a "meta/gut read player", needs to figure out whether her suspicion of Zander is a consequence of ENFP paranoia or if she's a wolf. ~~kind of hate that Cass's suspicions are being spun as "paranoia".

#439 -- Isn't interested in looking at old games to better understand players.

#446 -- Has no meta on Celeste, Wish, or Cass, so isn't willing to humor Celeste's meta explanations for reads. ~~He was explicitly asking for this sort of stuff earlier.

I'll keep going, but what I see so far is pretty massive deferment to "I haven't played with/can't read any of these players, you're all going to have to help me by giving me meta" followed by "don't use meta as an excuse, because I haven't played with you before". Zero interest in meta on the people he chooses to push, yet asks a lot of people for meta and uses it as an excuse to not have firm reads.

Town Zander just hunts wolves. Lynch this scum.

alannalynn · January 8, 2016

cross ref with town game yet?

I"m planning to do some work on this game tonight after cory goes to sleep but right now I'm too busy being :wub: on skype

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