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Pralaya · December 5, 2015

I don't actually want to go through that route. In the case that you are lying, that would mean we would be nowhere if bender ends up town and us completely list. I Ann not saying that you are but just considering possibilities.

The best way is to get the "known" scum and then take it forward. If clov is town, we all know what to do, unlike the case of bender.

Yates · December 5, 2015

Pral - there lies a very real possibility that I'm VT faking my cop claim and that I'm simply more certain of Bender being scum and my READ on Clov is predicated on Bender being scum. So please vote Bender so I can maintain this illusion. If Zander flips Town? Hold me as responsible as if I claimed the peek was on him.

dicetosser1 · December 5, 2015

if im wrong the apology is waiting but this IS a game of lieing and if i ignore this and it is what i think it is?? then i will lose and that means town loses.

So do me a fave bro talk to me about this. i havent outright said my thinking and i ask that people leave this alone til Yates answers me

I am well aware that you were in Scooby. Did you read the scum thread in there? I think it should be strikingly obvious to you that my motivation here is not remotely similar. I faked an aneurysm on a single player to throw him off balance.

The stuff I said about the pace of the game and how it wasn't a fit for me remains true and I obviously *actually* left that site as well. And I think it was a good decision. And that's *fueling* this decision - but has a dissimilar base.

So if you are going to vote me, at least vote me for game related reasons. I'm clearly here and putting in effort and more than willing to respond to *everything* thrown at me - as proven with both Zander and Clov.

A) that IS game related. I just watched you threaten to rage quit on purpose in another game.

B) if this turns out to be a gambit then Im gonna have so words for you at endgame bro the rage quit thing was fine it was about one game but im leaving the site is different particularly when we are playing with a bunch of people that have become friends. So this better not be a gambit.

UNVOTE

I have good feelings about Zander. I kinda had zander as scum in the previous game when everyone was reading him town and it was mainly because of subtle things he was doing like trying to score townie points unnaturally etc. I don't see that subtlety in this game and I am kind of convinced he is town. I don't know much about Blessie's gameplay but I haven't seen anything bad from her so far.

Yates also looks fine to me. The argument between yates/zander looks v/v to me.

Thane is relatively less involved in the thread. That however is not alignment indicative as he is kind of more involved when he is scum and you can see through his actions. I think he is town in this one based on what he has posted.

(I also had AJ as town because hsi reads matched quite with mine. But, that is moot anyway now. We know who AJ was)

Clov and BFG are somewhere in the middle but leaning towards town. I have a hard time reading Clov but I have noticed that he questions a lot as scum. In this game however, he is more focused on giving out his reads straightforwards. But, that is something which looks too straightfoward.

As to BFG, I didn't like her reading dice as town and reading clov as scum. However, her posts have been good and looks like the town BFG that I know.

Taborline, Notbob and Tress are null. The vote by Tress on Lenlo at the end of the game was the only thing that needs to be looked at,. Frankly, there was no need for the vote and could have done by both town or scum. Want to read her more before arriving at conclusions. Taborline, I don't have an opinion yet. Again, she is a new player and I need to see more. Notbob, well, you know why.

Shad and Dice are my top contenders for scum. Shad has felt odd for me since the beginning. I know he has claimed seer but I am not buying that. Posts like this and this looks like he was nudguing without willing to take a firm stand on Lenlo initially. I am more or less sure he is scum

I was kind of uncomfortable with dice earlier in the game. Similar to the earlier game, I see him coming occassionally and posting, just as if to show he is in the game. And, that feeling is why I think he is scum. In addition, I see soem nudges like this.

ok i screwed up the quote this is from pral

A) I post when i post i am not going over the activity argument AGAIN.

B) Some nudges like what? give examples of where and who i nudged this game?

C) Yates I think we found the third scum this post just feels off for me. i dont know what it is but something about it bugs me

Yates · December 5, 2015

So this better not be a gambit.

I wish it were, actually. But we'll all have a hug post game.

Yates I think we found the third scum this post just feels off for me. i dont know what it is but something about it bugs me

He *is* in my poe and I'm not sure I follow his logic being that I never verified me peek. So why vote Clov over Bender when *I* am voting Bender? But you guys will have time to sort that out. Make Thane do some work and don't let Tab off the hook too quickly. Those are kind of surface reads. I'm trying to decide if Shad is tinfoil worthy but I'd just suggest worrying about him if the game goes to F3 and he's still alive - because that should never happen.

dicetosser1 · December 5, 2015

i had shad as my second scum but his last few posts make me feel better. not totally sold but better

Clovdyx · December 5, 2015

[v]clov[/v]

I am fine with Yates claim.

If he's said that it's on me, I'm fine taking the lynch. When I flip vanilla town - and I will - he dies D3. No excuses. None. I don't care what he says in regards to "it was a reaction test", or "I just was really confident I was right." If he's hard claimed a guilty on me, I can't argue my way out of it, but I'll be damned if he's getting away with it.

Clovdyx · December 5, 2015

You guys might want to ask why he thought to peek me, though. Not saying...just saying.

Clovdyx · December 5, 2015

I don't actually want to go through that route. In the case that you are lying, that would mean we would be nowhere if bender ends up town and us completely list. I Ann not saying that you are but just considering possibilities.

The best way is to get the "known" scum and then take it forward. If clov is town, we all know what to do, unlike the case of bender.

This is a pro-town thought, for the record. I know Yates' peek of me is bogus, but I can't expect other non-cop townies to do so, so people trusting him isn't unnatural. I won't clear Pral for this because he could just be scum trying ot get me out of the game, but his thinking here is a plus sign for me.

Yates · December 5, 2015

You guys might want to ask why he thought to peek me, though. Not saying...just saying.

If I were cop and I chose to peek Clov? It's because I didn't like his soft stances on my strongest scum read, his critical vote on the Lenlo lynch, and like it or not he's a difficult "read" to make so sometimes I will peek stronger players even though they *think* they can self resolve. Also, if a Town Clov *is* alive on Day 3 then guess what? Day 3 is likely the day to claim anyway. So now I'd be saving a strong Town from smart scum play that chose to leave him in the game to create a tinfoil environment.

Cory Caboose · December 5, 2015

Vote Count day 2

Bender (2/11) Yates, NotBob
Yates (2/11) Clov, Bender

Clov (1/11) Pralaya

Not voting

Shadooh, Dice, Tress, Thane, Tab, BFG

Yates · December 5, 2015

You guys might want to ask Clov to restate why he has me on ignore.

Last I checked it was because he was Town reading me but he thought I was being a big jerk and he didn't want to say something he might regret. This is important because now Clov, who has seen me Town gambit like a million times and basically defines my game by gambits, is currently voting me for potentially fake claiming cop as if I would only do that as scum. More importantly, he knows and has said IN THIS GAME that I wouldn't sacrifice myself as scum. Plus there's the little matter of me not even being a lynch candidate when I claimed. It's not like had had to try to fake claim to draw out the real cop because I felt the noose tightening or anything. So what's his narrative now?

He literally can not support his vote without contradicting himself TERRIBLY and exposing his poor logic. And this is precisely why he has chosen to pretend to ignore my posts.

Yates · December 5, 2015

Crystal ball:

Their strategy is going to be something along the lines of "Two scum will never push Yates Town." Or after my flip it would be something like "well that explains why he was behaving differently from what we expect from his VT game but he played so bad because Yates is bad at this game." And Clov specifically will have to go the route of "I might have seen through it but I had to put him on ignore because he was being so bad. Whoops. But it's his fault."

And in the mean time not one of the three of them will ever present a scum case on me because "duh it's so obvious he's scum because he's lying about being cop so we don't need to look at anything else. Don't look at the forest people, there is a pine tree in this deciduous forest so really this must be a pine forest!"

鲍勃不是我的名字 · December 5, 2015

Crystal ball:

Their strategy is going to be something along the lines of "Two scum will never push Yates Town." Or after my flip it would be something like "well that explains why he was behaving differently from what we expect from his VT game but he played so bad because Yates is bad at this game." And Clov specifically will have to go the route of "I might have seen through it but I had to put him on ignore because he was being so bad. Whoops. But it's his fault."

And in the mean time not one of the three of them will ever present a scum case on me because "duh it's so obvious he's scum because he's lying about being cop so we don't need to look at anything else. Don't look at the forest people, there is a pine tree in this deciduous forest so really this must be a pine forest!"

I'm with you brother.

Yates · December 6, 2015

I'm also kind of peeved that there are three people in two slots and they ALL have excuses for not providing their case on me or responding to my points. It's like they think we won't lynch them if they aren't here? Then they think they will be able to get away with saying they might have changed their minds if they had time or something?

Annoying.

More crystal ball stuff suggests they show up late to try to dazzle you with a made up case in the hopes they can confuse you into lynching me instead due to lack of time to be able to parse their info and check it reliably. In the mean time my narrative is in the thread and my major points are laid out in broad strokes that could be fleshed out with some interaction but they know this and are thus avoiding the thread.

Maybe I won't go to sleep tonight so I can't be sleep shanked?

Yates · December 6, 2015

Yeah. Info Avalanche will be the play here. Look for a flurry of posts from these guys well after it is reasonable to assume people will have enough time to validate. Pretty much the last arrow in their quiver.

鲍勃不是我的名字 · December 6, 2015

Vote Count day 2

Bender (2/11) Yates, NotBob

Yates (2/11) Clov, Bender

Clov (1/11) Pralaya

Not voting

Shadooh, Dice, Tress, Thane, Tab, BFG

Weak. Especially those who posted since the hard claim.

Yates · December 6, 2015

So I guess that's it? Going to bed. Hope to see Bender lynched when I wake up.

Then I'll pour a little out of my 40 for my dead homie.

And I'll say something like:

"He wasn't bad..."

*sniffle*

"...he was just drawn that way..."

*boo hoo*

Zander? · December 6, 2015

It would require him to have said "eh, I'm convinced this guy is scum and I'm going to burn a peek on it anyway".
Pretty much. So I admit the odds that my red peek is on Clov is slightly higher. But I *still* want to lynch Bender first and give Clov the opportunity to spew his final teammate. It's somewhere in the Tab/Thane/Pral crowd but I feel like they have opportunities to Town clear themselves before becoming POE lynches.

Who of those 3 are most likely and why?

Zander? · December 6, 2015

if im wrong the apology is waiting but this IS a game of lieing and if i ignore this and it is what i think it is?? then i will lose and that means town loses.

So do me a fave bro talk to me about this. i havent outright said my thinking and i ask that people leave this alone til Yates answers me

I am well aware that you were in Scooby. Did you read the scum thread in there? I think it should be strikingly obvious to you that my motivation here is not remotely similar. I faked an aneurysm on a single player to throw him off balance.

The stuff I said about the pace of the game and how it wasn't a fit for me remains true and I obviously *actually* left that site as well. And I think it was a good decision. And that's *fueling* this decision - but has a dissimilar base.

So if you are going to vote me, at least vote me for game related reasons. I'm clearly here and putting in effort and more than willing to respond to *everything* thrown at me - as proven with both Zander and Clov.

A) that IS game related. I just watched you threaten to rage quit on purpose in another game.

B) if this turns out to be a gambit then Im gonna have so words for you at endgame bro the rage quit thing was fine it was about one game but im leaving the site is different particularly when we are playing with a bunch of people that have become friends. So this better not be a gambit.

UNVOTE

I have good feelings about Zander. I kinda had zander as scum in the previous game when everyone was reading him town and it was mainly because of subtle things he was doing like trying to score townie points unnaturally etc. I don't see that subtlety in this game and I am kind of convinced he is town. I don't know much about Blessie's gameplay but I haven't seen anything bad from her so far.

Yates also looks fine to me. The argument between yates/zander looks v/v to me.

Thane is relatively less involved in the thread. That however is not alignment indicative as he is kind of more involved when he is scum and you can see through his actions. I think he is town in this one based on what he has posted.

(I also had AJ as town because hsi reads matched quite with mine. But, that is moot anyway now. We know who AJ was)

Clov and BFG are somewhere in the middle but leaning towards town. I have a hard time reading Clov but I have noticed that he questions a lot as scum. In this game however, he is more focused on giving out his reads straightforwards. But, that is something which looks too straightfoward.

As to BFG, I didn't like her reading dice as town and reading clov as scum. However, her posts have been good and looks like the town BFG that I know.

Taborline, Notbob and Tress are null. The vote by Tress on Lenlo at the end of the game was the only thing that needs to be looked at,. Frankly, there was no need for the vote and could have done by both town or scum. Want to read her more before arriving at conclusions. Taborline, I don't have an opinion yet. Again, she is a new player and I need to see more. Notbob, well, you know why.

Shad and Dice are my top contenders for scum. Shad has felt odd for me since the beginning. I know he has claimed seer but I am not buying that. Posts like this and this looks like he was nudguing without willing to take a firm stand on Lenlo initially. I am more or less sure he is scum

I was kind of uncomfortable with dice earlier in the game. Similar to the earlier game, I see him coming occassionally and posting, just as if to show he is in the game. And, that feeling is why I think he is scum. In addition, I see soem nudges like this.

ok i screwed up the quote this is from pral

A) I post when i post i am not going over the activity argument AGAIN.

B) Some nudges like what? give examples of where and who i nudged this game?

C) Yates I think we found the third scum this post just feels off for me. i dont know what it is but something about it bugs me

What was it in Yates response that made you change your mind Dice?

And also did you get a better feel for what it was Pral's post that pinged you?

Zander? · December 6, 2015

Crystal ball:

Their strategy is going to be something along the lines of "Two scum will never push Yates Town." Or after my flip it would be something like "well that explains why he was behaving differently from what we expect from his VT game but he played so bad because Yates is bad at this game." And Clov specifically will have to go the route of "I might have seen through it but I had to put him on ignore because he was being so bad. Whoops. But it's his fault."

And in the mean time not one of the three of them will ever present a scum case on me because "duh it's so obvious he's scum because he's lying about being cop so we don't need to look at anything else. Don't look at the forest people, there is a pine tree in this deciduous forest so really this must be a pine forest!"

I'm also kind of peeved that there are three people in two slots and they ALL have excuses for not providing their case on me or responding to my points. It's like they think we won't lynch them if they aren't here? Then they think they will be able to get away with saying they might have changed their minds if they had time or something?

Annoying.

More crystal ball stuff suggests they show up late to try to dazzle you with a made up case in the hopes they can confuse you into lynching me instead due to lack of time to be able to parse their info and check it reliably. In the mean time my narrative is in the thread and my major points are laid out in broad strokes that could be fleshed out with some interaction but they know this and are thus avoiding the thread.

Maybe I won't go to sleep tonight so I can't be sleep shanked?

Yeah. Info Avalanche will be the play here. Look for a flurry of posts from these guys well after it is reasonable to assume people will have enough time to validate. Pretty much the last arrow in their quiver.

I like how you throw out this laundered list naming as many possible of courses of actions that ultimately lead to you just saying that makes them scum.....why don't you just say if they post anything at all they must be scum.......lololololol

You seem to assume a lot, you just throw these type of comments out there there like I just know I'm right or not answer stuff you deem stupid or just ignoring stuff all together, or just saying if someone else asks and you wonder why not everyone fully without question but Not Bob, Pral whosays thinks you still could be lying but wants to vote Clov even though youve hinted stronger that you "peeked me" and is that it?

Jeez wonder why not everyone believes you......?

Zander? · December 6, 2015

Just gonna break this up some cause I can't format,

Notbob:

Haven't even started to read...Vote Zander

risins???

spellig...the dude can't spell

Have you done anything at all this game? Like I've played with you before so this stuff doesn't ping me too bad about you but come on man.

For Lenlo to just come in and put the lynch entirely on Yates' shoulders like that, it looks bad.
I will grant you that if the Lenlo lynch goes through and he flips scum I will need to reevaluate how I am interpreting Zander's intent because that would look make them SHC-equivalent in my mind.

For some reason this makes me feel like you already knew the outcome of a Len lynch....And you can continue your push against us while saying that I said if this happened i would change my read but it didnt so....

Nope. But your sensitivity to my vote on you is noted. What you so worried about if as you say I do not ping? I may be rusty in my return but your actions smell like scum.

Dude Id have responded like this no matter who it was. Your post to vote was like vote Zander I havent even read yet, I didnt say that it didnt ping i said it didnt ping me too much. You're posting more now that will give me more to work with. But you show up a little before DL with nothing solid to contribute to the game so ya imma call that stuff out.

Personally I hadn't read anything to that point. Didn't realize we were near deadline. All I see is misdirection after I voted you. Guess my vote struck a nerve among the crowd. Who knew?

The red just speaks for itself. Like I wonder why it could strike a nerve when you pop in state you haven't read anything at all and drop a vote. And with the bold lets follow along this path of Not Bob's

Haven't even started to read...Vote Zander

So here he drops the vote roughly 2 hours before the DL

Haven't even started to read...Vote Zander

risins???

spellig...the dude can't spell

and this tidbit of a follow up is the next post be makes roughly an hour later.

Deadline in 2 hours.

Vote Count

Clov. (1/13) Bfg
Bender (4/13) Dice, Yates, Lenlo, NotBob
Lenlo (5/13) AJ, Shadooh, Thane, Bender, Clov

Not Voting (3/13)
Pralaya, Tress, Tab

why is my vote on someone named Bender?

I voted Zander

why is my vote on someone named Bender?

I voted Zander
Zander is a hydra with Bessie. They call themselves Bender.

ok...has bessie posted?

DerpBob attempt. I'm not being mean here at all I think this is actually what he's playing at.

Shad_ · December 6, 2015

Zander and Besie have still not addressed their slot's earlier acknowledgement that the root of their D1 case on Yates was bad--something Yates has asked them to do a million times. Zander and Besie resorted to a frankly idiotic argument about percentages after Yates said he was cop, inaccurately portraying both context and the objective sequence of events, high fiving each other for it all along the way. And most importantly, most importantly by a mile, both of them are fighting like cornered badgers in spite of acknowledging that Yates said probability-wise his peek was most likely on Clov.

Think about that. Yes, I know Yates wants Bender lynched first, and I know Bender is 'scum-reading' Yates. But you should all know very well that Bender is not the cop. Do both vanilla town Zander and vanilla town Besie see a potential cop claim a scum peek on Clov and immediately shout liar without stopping to mull it over? Would neither of them wonder, at least a little, whether Clov was really peeked scum and they'd been wrong about Yates, or whether scum!Yates would out himself to kill off a vanilla town? Are the heads of this hydra demonstrating any independent thought whatsoever? Their reaction to the claim reflects a concerted agenda an overwhelming amount of the time.

[v]Bender[/v]

Zander? · December 6, 2015

Zander and Besie have still not addressed their slot's earlier acknowledgement that the root of their D1 case on Yates was bad--something Yates has asked them to do a million times. Zander and Besie resorted to a frankly idiotic argument about percentages after Yates said he was cop, inaccurately portraying both context and the objective sequence of events, high fiving each other for it all along the way. And most importantly, most importantly by a mile, both of them are fighting like cornered badgers in spite of acknowledging that Yates said probability-wise his peek was most likely on Clov.

Think about that. Yes, I know Yates wants Bender lynched first, and I know Bender is 'scum-reading' Yates. But you should all know very well that Bender is not the cop. Do both vanilla town Zander and vanilla town Besie see a potential cop claim a scum peek on Clov and immediately shout liar without stopping to mull it over? Would neither of them wonder, at least a little, whether Clov was really peeked scum and they'd been wrong about Yates, or whether scum!Yates would out himself to kill off a vanilla town? Are the heads of this hydra demonstrating any independent thought whatsoever? Their reaction to the claim reflects a concerted agenda an overwhelming amount of the time.

[v]Bender[/v]

Caught up.

Zander has slipped so many times I don't know how you let him get up at this point.

[v]Bender[/v]

And it's REALLY never moving, Tab...

No offense but give me a more serious answer, regarding this post specifically. Like, humor that not everyone is 99% convinced they're scum yet and try to look at this from an unbiased point of view. If it's a town statement, what is Besie talking about? If it's a scum statement, does it have intent or is it honest? Scum make lots of honest posts.
You're right. I'm doing a lot of confbias here. Let me see if I can read your mind...

If it is a scum statement? I think I showed you the intent. To try to win favor by both playing the noob card and simultaneously absolving herself [and thus Zander] of responsibility for the mislynch.

And I will tell you this; if Clov is their scum partner? They have ABSOLUTELY set this up. And he started the ball rolling with a really early post where he floated the idea that Bender is Town because Bessie looks "so natural and carefree" as if it's impossible to be coming from a first time scum. So the seeds of the whole noob thing have already been planted early and often by Clov.

If it is a Town statement? I don't see the purpose. It's like she is chastising Zander for voting Len without her permission? I'm guess that's about as much as I can say from that perspective. It's really more of a throw away comment to vent. Why? What are you seeing?

What's your opinion on Tabor?
Undetermined. But I had her at like 60% likely scum with Bender at 95% and Clov at 85%. And the crazy thing is? I can see a scum team of EXACTLY Bender/Clov/Tabs based on interactions and certain posts directed at me.

I don't care about you, or anybody else here, in the context of this game.
LOL - don't worry about it. It's not your fault you randed scum.

One minor criticism is that you need to make your defenses of your scum buddies less obvious. I am ALWAYS lynching you tomorrow. 100%. After Bender flips scum.

I think Yates will be happy to spot check me if I'm wrong.
That's the most minor point, tbh. It was really just a fact check.

Okay. So both you and I know that as cop I pretty much never check Bender N1 because I can read Zander. But let's say for the sake of argument that I went full noob and dug in my heels and checked him anyway and he cam back red. That's pretty much how confident I am in his scum flip.

So now let's look at how you have treated Bessie and Zander. From my perspective; do you see why I would be CRAZY suspicious of you? And then you include NB in your scum poe when he was willing to "just wing it" yesterday to vote for "scum" Bender. We both know that's not what a bus looks like. Not when the votes were that close.

So let's say I finally put my full case out there and Bender gets lynched and flips scum and I get killed tonight. Why should Town ever leave you alive tomorrow? Because I promise you that if anyone else is killed and you and I are both alive? I'm calling for a thunderdome.

One spot here where there's SOME doubt but vaguely as it seems like Yates could be implying something else though.

It would require him to have said "eh, I'm convinced this guy is scum and I'm going to burn a peek on it anyway".
Pretty much. So I admit the odds that my red peek is on Clov is slightly higher. But I *still* want to lynch Bender first and give Clov the opportunity to spew his final teammate. It's somewhere in the Tab/Thane/Pral crowd but I feel like they have opportunities to Town clear themselves before becoming POE lynches.

Jeez wonder where I could have any doubts about that Shad.....

Zander? · December 6, 2015

Zander and Besie have still not addressed their slot's earlier acknowledgement that the root of their D1 case on Yates was bad--something Yates has asked them to do a million times. Zander and Besie resorted to a frankly idiotic argument about percentages after Yates said he was cop, inaccurately portraying both context and the objective sequence of events, high fiving each other for it all along the way. And most importantly, most importantly by a mile, both of them are fighting like cornered badgers in spite of acknowledging that Yates said probability-wise his peek was most likely on Clov.

Think about that. Yes, I know Yates wants Bender lynched first, and I know Bender is 'scum-reading' Yates. But you should all know very well that Bender is not the cop. Do both vanilla town Zander and vanilla town Besie see a potential cop claim a scum peek on Clov and immediately shout liar without stopping to mull it over? Would neither of them wonder, at least a little, whether Clov was really peeked scum and they'd been wrong about Yates, or whether scum!Yates would out himself to kill off a vanilla town? Are the heads of this hydra demonstrating any independent thought whatsoever? Their reaction to the claim reflects a concerted agenda an overwhelming amount of the time.

[v]Bender[/v]

Do you really want me to pull up the quote to completely refute this

Shad_ · December 6, 2015

Ok. I suppose I didn't read those comments through the same lens. But what about the trade-off?

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