Diablo the mafia game!

[Clovdyx]

To further elaborate on Yates, this is what I'm talking about.

 

 

 

 

 

It feels like you're being overly defensive, hon.

With all due respect, do you know what I look like when I'm being overly defensive? Also, care to list the "others" where I'm being what you characterize as "overly defensive?"

I ask these questions because acting "defensive" is often a crutch accusation thrown around that is actually completely worthless. A good Towny has every bit as much at stake as scum. Why would I not defend myself against what I perceive as garbage logic and a fake excuse for a vote, in your opinion?

 

 

The red isn't an unfair question really, but as Zander explained earlier, it's a meaningless question - it's her first game.  Beyond that, it's a freaking opinion.  I think the bigger issue isn't whether Blesie has any clue what defensive!Yates looks like, but trying to figure out if she genuinely believes that defensive is more likely to come from mafia than town (I will concede that Yates addresses this).

 

 

Zander - since it will be a while until I can finish my catch up I need you to answer some questions real quick:

1. When have I ever been lynched Day 1 and things ended well for Town?
2. Given your stated opinion on Clov, when did I become a Day 1 lynch candidate for you - EVER?
3. Have you ever actually caught scum role fishing?

I won't even get into the OMGUS accusation thing. Because that fake "tell" has been disproven time and again.

 

 

Point one is completely meaningless.  Whether Yates has ever been lynched D1 as mafia, I have no idea.  I don't know that I've ever seen him lynched on D1 period (maybe a turbo?).  But implying that it hasn't happened yet suggests it can't happen is garbage.

 

I feel similarly about point 3.  It wasn't to me but yeah, I've seen mafia caught prying for excess information plenty of times.  Beyond that, if anyone thinks town is more likely to try to elicit extra information than mafia, I don't know what to say.

 

 

 

I said that IF Len is scum and IF he is protecting a fellow scum (Clov) then you saying that you're not going to vote Clov could POSSIBLY imply that you're scum protecting a fellow team member.

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas?

 

 

Not actually related to their argument about him, but this just seems unnecessary.  If Yates is town, he has NO idea what Bender's alignment is.  Why not let her run with this idea?  It's wrong, but I'd rather have discussion about incorrect theories than nobody.

 

 

If it helps? I have pegged and voted for a wolf Day 1 in 5 straight games. This will be 6.

 

 

Again, not really related to avoiding an actual discussion, but this literally has nothing to do with the game. 

 

 

 

[Lenlo]

I dont see what your seeing with the Zander/Besie slot. Perhaps I am just naturally skeptical of them after being on a team with him. Since it looks like I am getting lynched today though I have this to say.

 

Dont let Zander slide by. Its all to easy for him to do it. This means by extension dont let Clov scare you into not looking critically at Zander, questioning him or outright calling him on his crap. Clov is probably gonna respond to this saying something like all of this is obvious, but dont let him mess with you. That slot is not clear by any metric. He sudden switch on me the moment he saw I wasnt on his side should be looked at later to.

 

Look at Clov. He comes in with some reads/pushes that really look to me like he is just trying to mimic thread consensus rather than his own ideas and then drops back to some lighter jokes and such. Hes not being "abrasive" like he said he was going to be or how he told AJ about. Instead he is rather reactive imo.

 

The idea with Yates was not that I 100% trust him but rather I wanted test his conviction. I wanted to see how hard he would go at Zander once he started to get some support or if he would back up and slow down. Probably not the best thing to do this close to deadline, but I didnt have much else goin on so figured what the heck. 

 

Im goin to a Christmas Festival date, so you people have fun. Hope I dont die, but if I do town dont lose this for me. I wanna 5 win streak :P

[seph]

Deadline in 3 hours.

 

 

Vote Count

 

Clov. (1/13) Bfg

Bender (3/13) Dice, Yates, Lenlo

 

Lenlo (4/13) AJ, Shadooh, Thane, Bender

 

Taborline (1/13) Clov

 

 

Not Voting (4/13)

Pralaya, Notbob, Tress, Tab

[Clovdyx]

I dont see what your seeing with the Zander/Besie slot. Perhaps I am just naturally skeptical of them after being on a team with him. Since it looks like I am getting lynched today though I have this to say.

 

Dont let Zander slide by. Its all to easy for him to do it. This means by extension dont let Clov scare you into not looking critically at Zander, questioning him or outright calling him on his crap. Clov is probably gonna respond to this saying something like all of this is obvious, but dont let him mess with you. That slot is not clear by any metric. He sudden switch on me the moment he saw I wasnt on his side should be looked at later to.

 

Look at Clov. He comes in with some reads/pushes that really look to me like he is just trying to mimic thread consensus rather than his own ideas and then drops back to some lighter jokes and such. Hes not being "abrasive" like he said he was going to be or how he told AJ about. Instead he is rather reactive imo.

 

The idea with Yates was not that I 100% trust him but rather I wanted test his conviction. I wanted to see how hard he would go at Zander once he started to get some support or if he would back up and slow down. Probably not the best thing to do this close to deadline, but I didnt have much else goin on so figured what the heck. 

 

Im goin to a Christmas Festival date, so you people have fun. Hope I dont die, but if I do town dont lose this for me. I wanna 5 win streak :P

 

When have I said anything this game about discouraging people from looking at Zander or Besie?  You later said I was mimicing the thread consensus, but I'm pretty sure I was the first person to throw them out as town.  Shad asked me about it, and he and I had a completely positive conversation about it.  You asked me about it yesterday, and I was happy to give you a justification for my read, without ever condemning you for a disagreement.  You insinuating anything else is not a good look IMO

 

Beyond Zander, I'm pretty sure I was the first one to give a town read of Dice.  I've touched on that read, and saying it's consensus is blatantly wrong.  

 

The best thing you said in this post is that I switched on you, which is absolutely true.  I added space between you and the person I'm listing as my highest read - and have been townreading since long before you even became a wagon.  

[Clovdyx]

 

The idea with Yates was not that I 100% trust him but rather I wanted test his conviction. I wanted to see how hard he would go at Zander once he started to get some support or if he would back up and slow down. Probably not the best thing to do this close to deadline, but I didnt have much else goin on so figured what the heck. 

 

All right, the first part about not 100% trusting him is fair enough - that is absolutely me putting words into your mouth.  But I don't think you can fault the conclusion.

 

You know what Yates, fine. [v]Bender [/v]

 

Your seem confident in the read and I can't read the slot all that well. I'd rather my vote go to a confident read rather than a least bad option like what I'm on now.

 

Let's see what happens together.

 

I was experessi n g a positive read on Besie, whom I have never played with before. I said I didn't wanna lynch him cause I couldn't read him D1. If Yates is that confident though I figure what the hell, see what happens.

 

I'm still not a fan of what Clov has done this game or how he handled you. Thing is, it's not enough to lock scum him. At best the lowest read I have, Clov, is null to scum. So I decided to give my support to someone I think is town who is very confident in his scum read on someone.

 

 

 

Are you not completely absolving yourself from the outcome of lynching Bender here and just putting faith in Yates to be right?

[BFG]

Sorry, I completely just fell asleep

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Haven't even started to read...Vote Zander

[Clovdyx]

Haven't even started to read...Vote Zander

Lol I like it

[Andrej]

I'm home now.

 

Len, for as much as that post wants to tug on my heart strings I don't think I'm gonna bite. I just really have a hard time believing your approach to this game is from a good mindset.

 

Like, you voted Zander just to see how Yates would react? After Yates CLEARLY stated several times he'd be gone and made a point to say it was his last post of the day when he voted Zander.

 

Are you even paying attention or just making things up as you go?

[BFG]

 

 

 

Drive safely

 

I didn't.  I'm home now though, so what's up?

 

:/

 

Ok why Tabor?

 

 

A couple reasons, really.  First, because I knew it it would draw attention from various, and I'm arrogant enough to think I can talk my way out of literally anything, so I have no problem making myself look bad to get people talking about something new.  Make people commit one way or another.

 

Second (really first and a halfth), because I really have nothing to say about her.  I contemplated a handful of people to vote because I'm pretty much in love with how half of the game is playing by that I mean I think it's pathetic that I'm literally not even trying and I'm contributing more than half the game combined, but I guess I just went with her because I have no confidence in my ability to read her and she doesn't seem to be doing much.

 

But I really had no expectation of it going anywhere.  You should know better than anyone that WWSD is not going to be justification for a lynch I actually believe in.

 

First you probably almost certainly can

 

Second, ok, but why aren't you trying, how does this jive with your pre-game aggressiveness, early game 'abrasiveness' (although I'm not sure what you were referring to there) what's your read on Tabor now?

 

I do ~know that, which is precisely why your vote sitting there a few hours before deadline is so worrying. It's difficult because the day.a short, do I look at it as something made a few hours after day started which would be ~fine, or something made a few hours before deadline which is less so, when in reality it's both.

[Zander?]

Haven't even started to read...Vote Zander

 

risins???  

[Cory Caboose]

Deadline in 2 hours.

 

Vote Count

Clov. (1/13) Bfg
Bender (4/13) Dice, Yates, Lenlo, NotBob
Lenlo (5/13) AJ, Shadooh, Thane, Bender, Clov


Not Voting (3/13)
Pralaya, Tress, Tab

[Zander?]

I HERE BUT DRUNL STILL NO MISLYCHING bENDER!!!!!!

 

 

 

LMK WhTA UP!!!!???!!!!

[Andrej]

AJ, can you explain your Thane read a bit?

Shad put it best by saying Thane is Thane-ing ITT. He's relaxed, offering opinions freely and not working from any angle that I can see.

[BFG]

Okay, caught up.  I'm going to make this as simple as possible:

 

-Don't lynch BFG.  She's town.  If you don't trust that, let me put it this way - if your thought process is "Should I lynch BFG this game?", you better come up with "No".  Beyond the simple fact that she's not going to try to CFD me on D1 as scum say...9 times out of 10?, her approach to actually trying to solve this game just rings true to me.  I don't love her activity this game, but I'm not going to push her for it by any means.

-Barring a concussion, I can't fathom voting Zander/Besie.  Look at Zander's pushes on people in this game versus his scum game.  Does he seem to objectively know somebody is mafia and he's tunneling the hell out of them, to the point where I'm visibly mad at his existence?  

 

For Besie, I just believe her.  No, I can't explain it better than that.  My instincts tell me that if she's mafia, Zander and the rest of her team probably don't let her get into a D1 fight with Yates, but beyond that, I just get the impression she's just not making stuff up and throwing it out there.  Combined with Lenlo's scumtastic vote, this doesn't stand a chance.

-Dice.  AJ, I know you've asked about this a few times, but I'm pretty confident with him being town.  One, he just seems to be thinking what he says.  That's a good sign.  Second, I'm willing to admit I'm sheeping BFG on him a bit (see: Harry Potter      ).

 

I'm not lynching AJ today.  I think his progress IRT to me/Lenlo is good enough to buy him a pass today, and some of the suspicions he'd have I'm not sure he'd necessarily default to as scum.  He is, by far, the least confident of these for me...but if I get four players off the table D1 in a 13er, I'm pretty happy.

Did you read Tina's Last Battle game? Zander doesn't always tunnel/bus as mafia (but he was caught very early this game, I can't remember why right now, I think AJ/Talmanes was why). I don't hate your reasoning on Besie, but I don't know how much I agree with it. I tend to find 'what a team allows' someone to do bites me more often than not and I'm having massive trouble following her line of thought. A lot of what I remember is associated reads anad it seems extremely early for that. Equally I think most were if so and so are mafia then... as opposed to if so and so flip town then... which is a bit better. Can you clarify what you mean by the larged text?

[Yates]

K. I'm back. I thought deadline was 22 minutes ago and I got home 1 hour early so this is probably good.

[Clovdyx]

 

First you probably almost certainly can

 

Second, ok, but why aren't you trying, how does this jive with your pre-game aggressiveness, early game 'abrasiveness' (although I'm not sure what you were referring to there) what's your read on Tabor now?

 

I do ~know that, which is precisely why your vote sitting there a few hours before deadline is so worrying. It's difficult because the day.a short, do I look at it as something made a few hours after day started which would be ~fine, or something made a few hours before deadline which is less so, when in reality it's both.

 

 

Bold - You know why.  

 

In terms of Tabor, I don't have a read on her.  She's sitting comfortably in that pile of people I have no reason to save.  Her colored reads list looks decent enough, but until she actually tries to DO something this game (or is at least around to interact with), I don't see how I'm supposed to feel one way or the other about her.

[BFG]

I ~like Clov's recent posts, but like with Cory in the Matrix game have to question their timing

 

However this isn't going anywhere today, I need to finish reading the Yates/Zander thing again

[BFG]

 

First you probably almost certainly can

 

Second, ok, but why aren't you trying, how does this jive with your pre-game aggressiveness, early game 'abrasiveness' (although I'm not sure what you were referring to there) what's your read on Tabor now?

 

I do ~know that, which is precisely why your vote sitting there a few hours before deadline is so worrying. It's difficult because the day.a short, do I look at it as something made a few hours after day started which would be ~fine, or something made a few hours before deadline which is less so, when in reality it's both.

 

Bold - You know why.  

 

In terms of Tabor, I don't have a read on her.  She's sitting comfortably in that pile of people I have no reason to save.  Her colored reads list looks decent enough, but until she actually tries to DO something this game (or is at least around to interact with), I don't see how I'm supposed to feel one way or the other about her.

 

[Yates]

I don't know if it's because I trust their slot with high confidence, or because most of his responses seem to focus on "Do you think this is what's going to catch me as scum?" instead of "No, your point is wrong, and this is why."

To further elaborate on Yates, this is what I'm talking about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It feels like you're being overly defensive, hon.

With all due respect, do you know what I look like when I'm being overly defensive? Also, care to list the "others" where I'm being what you characterize as "overly defensive?"

 

I ask these questions because acting "defensive" is often a crutch accusation thrown around that is actually completely worthless. A good Towny has every bit as much at stake as scum. Why would I not defend myself against what I perceive as garbage logic and a fake excuse for a vote, in your opinion?

 

 

The red isn't an unfair question really, but as Zander explained earlier, it's a meaningless question - it's her first game.  Beyond that, it's a freaking opinion.  I think the bigger issue isn't whether Blesie has any clue what defensive!Yates looks like, but trying to figure out if she genuinely believes that defensive is more likely to come from mafia than town (I will concede that Yates addresses this).

 

 

 

Zander - since it will be a while until I can finish my catch up I need you to answer some questions real quick:

 

1. When have I ever been lynched Day 1 and things ended well for Town?

2. Given your stated opinion on Clov, when did I become a Day 1 lynch candidate for you - EVER?

3. Have you ever actually caught scum role fishing?

 

I won't even get into the OMGUS accusation thing. Because that fake "tell" has been disproven time and again.

 

Point one is completely meaningless.  Whether Yates has ever been lynched D1 as mafia, I have no idea.  I don't know that I've ever seen him lynched on D1 period (maybe a turbo?).  But implying that it hasn't happened yet suggests it can't happen is garbage.

 

I feel similarly about point 3.  It wasn't to me but yeah, I've seen mafia caught prying for excess information plenty of times.  Beyond that, if anyone thinks town is more likely to try to elicit extra information than mafia, I don't know what to say.

 

 

 

 

I said that IF Len is scum and IF he is protecting a fellow scum (Clov) then you saying that you're not going to vote Clov could POSSIBLY imply that you're scum protecting a fellow team member.

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas?

 

 

Not actually related to their argument about him, but this just seems unnecessary.  If Yates is town, he has NO idea what Bender's alignment is.  Why not let her run with this idea?  It's wrong, but I'd rather have discussion about incorrect theories than nobody.

 

 

 

If it helps? I have pegged and voted for a wolf Day 1 in 5 straight games. This will be 6.

 

Again, not really related to avoiding an actual discussion, but this literally has nothing to do with the game. 

 

 

 

I disagree with your assessment. Pretty much everything you quoted above that is not in bold counters your argument. Plus the stuff in bold doesn't even really support your argument.

 

I can go through it if I have to but I don't believe that you believe this.

[Clovdyx]

 

AJ, can you explain your Thane read a bit?

Shad put it best by saying Thane is Thane-ing ITT. He's relaxed, offering opinions freely and not working from any angle that I can see.

 

 

I don't feel he really is, though.  I just ran an ISO to see what all opinions he's given, and I'm actually surprised to see he's made as many posts as he has.  That probably makes me feel slightly better about him, but I think Town!Thane is kind of an...out there player.  It could be that half the game has been somewhat inactive, but I'm just not getting the strong sense of him being town yet.

[Clovdyx]

 

Okay, caught up.  I'm going to make this as simple as possible:

 

-Don't lynch BFG.  She's town.  If you don't trust that, let me put it this way - if your thought process is "Should I lynch BFG this game?", you better come up with "No".  Beyond the simple fact that she's not going to try to CFD me on D1 as scum say...9 times out of 10?, her approach to actually trying to solve this game just rings true to me.  I don't love her activity this game, but I'm not going to push her for it by any means.

-Barring a concussion, I can't fathom voting Zander/Besie.  Look at Zander's pushes on people in this game versus his scum game.  Does he seem to objectively know somebody is mafia and he's tunneling the hell out of them, to the point where I'm visibly mad at his existence?  

 

For Besie, I just believe her.  No, I can't explain it better than that.  My instincts tell me that if she's mafia, Zander and the rest of her team probably don't let her get into a D1 fight with Yates, but beyond that, I just get the impression she's just not making stuff up and throwing it out there.  Combined with Lenlo's scumtastic vote, this doesn't stand a chance.

-Dice.  AJ, I know you've asked about this a few times, but I'm pretty confident with him being town.  One, he just seems to be thinking what he says.  That's a good sign.  Second, I'm willing to admit I'm sheeping BFG on him a bit (see: Harry Potter      ).

 

I'm not lynching AJ today.  I think his progress IRT to me/Lenlo is good enough to buy him a pass today, and some of the suspicions he'd have I'm not sure he'd necessarily default to as scum.  He is, by far, the least confident of these for me...but if I get four players off the table D1 in a 13er, I'm pretty happy.

Did you read Tina's Last Battle game? Zander doesn't always tunnel/bus as mafia (but he was caught very early this game, I can't remember why right now, I think AJ/Talmanes was why). I don't hate your reasoning on Besie, but I don't know how much I agree with it. I tend to find 'what a team allows' someone to do bites me more often than not and I'm having massive trouble following her line of thought. A lot of what I remember is associated reads anad it seems extremely early for that. Equally I think most were if so and so are mafia then... as opposed to if so and so flip town then... which is a bit better. Can you clarify what you mean by the larged text?

 

 

Was that the game you were mafia with Verb?  If so, I really only paid attention to the end of it.  If it was some other game, then probably not at all.

 

I think #655 addresses the large text well enough.  If you want more than that, let me know.

[BFG]

 

First you probably almost certainly can

 

Second, ok, but why aren't you trying, how does this jive with your pre-game aggressiveness, early game 'abrasiveness' (although I'm not sure what you were referring to there) what's your read on Tabor now?

 

I do ~know that, which is precisely why your vote sitting there a few hours before deadline is so worrying. It's difficult because the day.a short, do I look at it as something made a few hours after day started which would be ~fine, or something made a few hours before deadline which is less so, when in reality it's both.

 

Bold - You know why.  

 

In terms of Tabor, I don't have a read on her.  She's sitting comfortably in that pile of people I have no reason to save.  Her colored reads list looks decent enough, but until she actually tries to DO something this game (or is at least around to interact with), I don't see how I'm supposed to feel one way or the other about her.

 

Bold, I actually don't, or can't remember right now

 

Tabors reads seemed fairly none consensus which is probably a better thing than not, so out of my POE for today, but will need revisiting in the near future.

[Clovdyx]

 

I don't know if it's because I trust their slot with high confidence, or because most of his responses seem to focus on "Do you think this is what's going to catch me as scum?" instead of "No, your point is wrong, and this is why."

To further elaborate on Yates, this is what I'm talking about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It feels like you're being overly defensive, hon.

With all due respect, do you know what I look like when I'm being overly defensive? Also, care to list the "others" where I'm being what you characterize as "overly defensive?"

 

I ask these questions because acting "defensive" is often a crutch accusation thrown around that is actually completely worthless. A good Towny has every bit as much at stake as scum. Why would I not defend myself against what I perceive as garbage logic and a fake excuse for a vote, in your opinion?

 

 

The red isn't an unfair question really, but as Zander explained earlier, it's a meaningless question - it's her first game.  Beyond that, it's a freaking opinion.  I think the bigger issue isn't whether Blesie has any clue what defensive!Yates looks like, but trying to figure out if she genuinely believes that defensive is more likely to come from mafia than town (I will concede that Yates addresses this).

 

 

 

Zander - since it will be a while until I can finish my catch up I need you to answer some questions real quick:

 

1. When have I ever been lynched Day 1 and things ended well for Town?

2. Given your stated opinion on Clov, when did I become a Day 1 lynch candidate for you - EVER?

3. Have you ever actually caught scum role fishing?

 

I won't even get into the OMGUS accusation thing. Because that fake "tell" has been disproven time and again.

 

Point one is completely meaningless.  Whether Yates has ever been lynched D1 as mafia, I have no idea.  I don't know that I've ever seen him lynched on D1 period (maybe a turbo?).  But implying that it hasn't happened yet suggests it can't happen is garbage.

 

I feel similarly about point 3.  It wasn't to me but yeah, I've seen mafia caught prying for excess information plenty of times.  Beyond that, if anyone thinks town is more likely to try to elicit extra information than mafia, I don't know what to say.

 

 

 

 

I said that IF Len is scum and IF he is protecting a fellow scum (Clov) then you saying that you're not going to vote Clov could POSSIBLY imply that you're scum protecting a fellow team member.

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas?

 

 

Not actually related to their argument about him, but this just seems unnecessary.  If Yates is town, he has NO idea what Bender's alignment is.  Why not let her run with this idea?  It's wrong, but I'd rather have discussion about incorrect theories than nobody.

 

 

 

If it helps? I have pegged and voted for a wolf Day 1 in 5 straight games. This will be 6.

 

Again, not really related to avoiding an actual discussion, but this literally has nothing to do with the game. 

 

 

 

I disagree with your assessment. Pretty much everything you quoted above that is not in bold counters your argument. Plus the stuff in bold doesn't even really support your argument.

 

I can go through it if I have to but I don't believe that you believe this.

 

 

If you're talking about the bottom two quotes, I already addressed that.  If you're talking about the non-bolded stuff in the top quotes, I bolded the things I did for a reason    But beyond that, the thing about me has nothing to do with anything, so you have...what I gave you credit for in the post?  

[BFG]

 

 

Okay, caught up.  I'm going to make this as simple as possible:

 

-Don't lynch BFG.  She's town.  If you don't trust that, let me put it this way - if your thought process is "Should I lynch BFG this game?", you better come up with "No".  Beyond the simple fact that she's not going to try to CFD me on D1 as scum say...9 times out of 10?, her approach to actually trying to solve this game just rings true to me.  I don't love her activity this game, but I'm not going to push her for it by any means.

-Barring a concussion, I can't fathom voting Zander/Besie.  Look at Zander's pushes on people in this game versus his scum game.  Does he seem to objectively know somebody is mafia and he's tunneling the hell out of them, to the point where I'm visibly mad at his existence?  

 

For Besie, I just believe her.  No, I can't explain it better than that.  My instincts tell me that if she's mafia, Zander and the rest of her team probably don't let her get into a D1 fight with Yates, but beyond that, I just get the impression she's just not making stuff up and throwing it out there.  Combined with Lenlo's scumtastic vote, this doesn't stand a chance.

-Dice.  AJ, I know you've asked about this a few times, but I'm pretty confident with him being town.  One, he just seems to be thinking what he says.  That's a good sign.  Second, I'm willing to admit I'm sheeping BFG on him a bit (see: Harry Potter      ).

 

I'm not lynching AJ today.  I think his progress IRT to me/Lenlo is good enough to buy him a pass today, and some of the suspicions he'd have I'm not sure he'd necessarily default to as scum.  He is, by far, the least confident of these for me...but if I get four players off the table D1 in a 13er, I'm pretty happy.

Did you read Tina's Last Battle game? Zander doesn't always tunnel/bus as mafia (but he was caught very early this game, I can't remember why right now, I think AJ/Talmanes was why). I don't hate your reasoning on Besie, but I don't know how much I agree with it. I tend to find 'what a team allows' someone to do bites me more often than not and I'm having massive trouble following her line of thought. A lot of what I remember is associated reads anad it seems extremely early for that. Equally I think most were if so and so are mafia then... as opposed to if so and so flip town then... which is a bit better. Can you clarify what you mean by the larged text?

 

 

Was that the game you were mafia with Verb?  If so, I really only paid attention to the end of it.  If it was some other game, then probably not at all.

 

I think #655 addresses the large text well enough.  If you want more than that, let me know.

 

It's an associated read? What happens if he flips town? If he's mafia does it LOCKCLEAR them?