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[Lenlo]

  On 11/2/2015 at 8:00 PM, Shad_ said:

Lost in ISO land with Lenlo right now, Zander if you're on can you link me to that reads list you did? Couldn't find it on a real quick skim.

Remember to stop by the concession stand. It's what keeps the lights on.

[alannalynn]

  On 11/2/2015 at 8:00 PM, Shad_ said:

Lost in ISO land with Lenlo right now, Zander if you're on can you link me to that reads list you did? Couldn't find it on a real quick skim.

Why Lenlo? My ISO yesterday had be wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he's not trending any better.

 

I think Hally/Sooh would be good ISOs if I had time. I meant to do them when DM was cloudflaring all night.

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 8:01 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Hi ... Ly... Laine

[Cory Caboose]

Not worth the effort.

 

[Hallia]

It's your tone, Correh, that's off recently. You usually work with me, and you're so quick to just say I'm wolf and dismiss me this game. It's not like you. You stated that being normally a wolf tell for yourself in the past.

[Cory Caboose]

Shad is this what you are looking for:

 

  On 11/1/2015 at 1:17 AM, Zander said:

So where im at:

 

Sili-  been towning pretty hard all game.  no fear of posting w/e and voting wherever.

Thane - ive seen nothing but Town!Thane all game....i read pops pretty well imo.

Corlanna-  i mean come on ldo...but seriously i know Cory is fully capable of duping me but i feel like i read Alanna pretty well. and nothings really pinged me atp.

 

 

Shad - engaging, asking questions, making sound points and little just little things like the stuff i quoted him from about BFG

Yates  - driving game early on.  on point.  only reason hes here is i fully believe hes capable of fooling me.

Clov -  feels kinda like the voice of reason this game.  i dont really know clovs scum game but same as Yates fully capable of fooling me.

Nomi- ive agreed with a lot of points hes made thus far.  but if he's who i think he is he too is an another awesome player that can fool me

 

Sooh- Sooh is normally scummy to me but i feel her post where she stepped away was real and after her tone seemed to pick up some confidence but shes still Sooh.

 

BFG- havent seen anything that pinged me.  her few posts have been analytical BFG town type posts to me but wanna see more from her

Tab- dont really have much meta on her.  thought she picked up some steam before dying out. need more though i think she mentioned being away this weekend.

Hallia- dont remember a lot tbh but i remember not hating most of posts but def need to see more

 

Dice- not town!dice at all imo.  early vote gross.  nomi looked a million times better in their echange.

Lenlo-  horrible reads list, poor me emo crap,  everyone is scum reading me only because of my force of will.  wolf reads in 2nd list all people voted him or said they would.

 

 

 

I need to find 2 more wolves.  need to iso my nulls/unsure list though and theres also possibly a deep wolf somewhere in my greens.  the middle 2 lists not really in order.

[Cory Caboose]

  On 11/2/2015 at 8:08 PM, Hallia said:

It's your tone, Correh, that's off recently. You usually work with me, and you're so quick to just say I'm wolf and dismiss me this game. It's not like you. You stated that being normally a wolf tell for yourself in the past.

 

When we are w/v I usually spend the entire game defending you because I literally feel bad about pushing you. See literally any game where we are w/v. Off the top of my head the Mafia Mafia game.

 

It's been like nine days and you have not been present and your limited posting hasn't made me think you are a villager. At some point the voice in my head that says "YOU DO NOT HAVE HALLIA AS AN OBVIOUS VILLAGER YET, THEREFORE SHE'S PROBABLY JUST NOT A VILLAGER" clicks and then what am I supposed to do?

 

Sorry if I'm wrong

[Sili Quirrels]

I dont know.

 

dice strikes me as the sort to keep the vote for pressure or whatever till he wants to vote someone else. He doesnt care to communicate early game either.

[Cory Caboose]

I thought dice had good spurts but it's hasn't been constant enough where I would put him blue. I would still guess he's probably a villager on abrasiveness alone.

[Sili Quirrels]

Okay cory its nice ur the only person whos pegged dice as town.

[Cory Caboose]

In almost all worlds Lenlo is a wolf. I reviewed Ragnarok and he's just different there. Sticks with what he believes but compiles information from multiple sources to do so. Goes against the grain with someone being townread with frustration (Eldrick) rather than with compliance (Zander). He's not pushing outward in any reasonable way and almost everything prompting him this game is someone pushing on him.

 

But you probably won't listen to me because this is a clown show.

[Cory Caboose]

  On 11/2/2015 at 8:14 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Okay cory its nice ur the only person whos pegged dice as town.

 

I'm fine with everyone else being >> rand to be wrong. You learn to live.

[Lenlo]

I feel your wrong. I also feel 1 game isn't enough to get a great read of someone.

 

In what world have I not been frustrated at you people for Z?

[Cory Caboose]

Lenlo if you are a villager I have had a game of epically bad proportions and that happens and I will apologize.

I don't think I am wrong.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 11/2/2015 at 8:17 PM, Lenlo said:

I feel your wrong. I also feel 1 game isn't enough to get a great read of someone.

 

In what world have I not been frustrated at you people for Z?

This response is flat.

[Lenlo]

I'm not a soda.

[Sili Quirrels]

Yes u r.

[Lenlo]

Am I owned by Coke or Dr.Pepper?

[BFG]

Good evening :)

 

*takes deep breath, dives in

[BFG]

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:40 AM, Clovdyx said:

The point about BadG being town doesn't sound awful, if just because I find it unlikely she posts a reads list shortly before start of phase (one with the nk being a scumlean, too)

[BFG]

  On 11/2/2015 at 9:00 AM, dicetosser1 said:

BFG is Town.

 

What are your reads currently?

 

 

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 10:10 AM, Sooh said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 7:05 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 4:16 AM, Hallia said:

Mmm.  Catching up, I see that my initial read of Pral was spot on.  Totally wrong on Rack, but he didn't exactly make it easy to read him properly.

 

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 4:55 AM, Hallia said:

Thanks Shad.

 

@Zander - Nah, not for me.

 

 

and still not catch up post??

 

where you at Poutine Lover??!!!

 

NEED TO SEE YOU #PUTINTHEWORK!!!!!

 

#Poutinethework

 

FTFY!

 

 

BFG is town and I am inclined to believe she's right about Corlanna.

 

Why? You've been addressing Lenlo as a suspect all night

[Shad_]

  On 11/2/2015 at 8:05 PM, alannalynn said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 8:00 PM, Shad_ said:

Lost in ISO land with Lenlo right now, Zander if you're on can you link me to that reads list you did? Couldn't find it on a real quick skim.

Why Lenlo? My ISO yesterday had be wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he's not trending any better.

 

I think Hally/Sooh would be good ISOs if I had time. I meant to do them when DM was cloudflaring all night.

 

I said I would all weekend.  Didn't even get to look at your yet tbh, should be interesting.

[Shad_]

  On 11/2/2015 at 8:08 PM, cory caboose said:

Shad is this what you are looking for:

Yep thanks, happened more recently than I remembered.

[Clovdyx]

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 8:44 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 11:40 AM, Clovdyx said:

The point about BadG being town doesn't sound awful, if just because I find it unlikely she posts a reads list shortly before start of phase (one with the nk being a scumlean, too)

 

 

Beautiful and dangerous Girl?  

 

 

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  On 11/2/2015 at 8:47 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 9:00 AM, dicetosser1 said:

BFG is Town.

 
What are your reads currently?


 

  On 11/2/2015 at 10:10 AM, Sooh said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 7:05 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 4:16 AM, Hallia said:

Mmm.  Catching up, I see that my initial read of Pral was spot on.  Totally wrong on Rack, but he didn't exactly make it easy to read him properly.

 
 

  On 11/2/2015 at 4:55 AM, Hallia said:

Thanks Shad.
 
@Zander - Nah, not for me.

 
 
and still not catch up post??
 
where you at Poutine Lover??!!!
 
NEED TO SEE YOU #PUTINTHEWORK!!!!!

 

#Poutinethework
 
FTFY!
 
 
BFG is town and I am inclined to believe she's right about Corlanna.

 

Why? You've been addressing Lenlo as a suspect all night

 

 

Damn, I wish this was posted five hours ago. :(

[Clovdyx]

  On 11/2/2015 at 4:44 AM, Shad_ said:

Honestly this post

 

 

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  On 10/29/2015 at 3:06 PM, Hallia said:

Going back and reading Cory, if I read you alone I come up with villager.  Does that mean I drop the vibe from Laine altogether?  No, but it does put you higher on my list. <3  I really like these recent points on Pral.  I think I was taken in by his early posting, but this response he just posted:

  On 10/29/2015 at 12:15 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 12:03 PM, Pralaya said:

And, that's how you got the cop killed in that game. I am not taunting here, but you tend to have a massive confirmation bias in trying to read me and that is annoying to see every game. You basically try to come up with reasons to look at me as scum and then end with with nonsensical reasons how my playstyle is different this game as compared to the previous. The only common thing about my games is that I am a low-poster D1 and D2. 

 

The reason for that is that I hate D1s. I find it extremely difficult to catch up 15+ pages per day. Hence, I tend to be more active and effective D3+ when the post count has toned down, when I have more information due to flips and wagons etc. D1 is all about tone/meta based reasoning which in most cases is just erroneous and like a dart thrown around. So, if I am inactive D1 it is by preference and not necessarily based on alignment. 

 

Have at it however you want but that is how I play.

 

The problem is that your playstyle doesn't keep you from ever randing wolf. You can lecture me on how you were a villager in Ragnarok, but I've seen games where you've gone deep as a wolf despite contributing very little and players just went "Oh it's just Pral being Pral".

 

You don't get a free villager read for being you, and other players are more villagery for you, so exactly why do you deserve to be higher in my PoE?

 

If you think D1 is erroneous or meaningless I have no idea what to tell you. I have something like a ~60% d1 wolf lynch rate, and games where villages lynch wolves on d1 end in village victories a very good clip of the time because there is a great deal to glean from it.

 

Why are you a villager, Pral? Besides that this is "how you always play". I don't care at all how you play, I care about whether or not you are a villager. Capiche?

 

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 1:51 PM, cory caboose said:

Like you are basically saying "I deserve to get a pass on d1 and d2 because I don't think those days are important"

 

Why do you deserve to live more than people trying on d1 and d2 Pral? What makes you exempt from the rules everyone else lives by in this game?

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 2:01 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 1:39 PM, Pralaya said:

Also, as I said before, the later the game goes, the more you can glean out of me. D1 and D2, I don't care much either as town or scum.

Pral - you know I love you and I love playing with you and that I think you bring a perspective to the game that is different and weird and almost always appreciated. My question to you is; how do we get you to post more often?

 

I ask you this because your activity becomes a talking point in ~every game. And people often use that as an excuse to vote you. Take Cory as an example. I have already posted for you a snippet of what Cory thinks about activity AS A WOLF. When he is scum, he likes to "kill the smart, active villagers above all else..." It stands to reason that as Town he would want to lynch the dumb or inactive villagers in lieu of a better scum read. It also stands to reason that as wolf he could find himself getting stuck pushing on inactive users when he doesn't think he can get the mislynch he is looking for.

 

TLDR - If I could get you to post more and be more active and, in general, make yourself an unlynchable Townie that would be great. If you're a wolf I will be upset with you this game but ask you to accommodate this request in future Town games.

 

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:03 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 2:01 PM, Yates said:

Pral - you know I love you and I love playing with you and that I think you bring a perspective to the game that is different and weird and almost always appreciated. My question to you is; how do we get you to post more often?

The reason I am inactive on D1 is because I have a hard time catching up with the pace of the game. The game content massively reduces from D2 onwards and that is when I am more active - also due to better information available. I have been getting killed either by town or by 3rd party by D2 in all the recent games and that is probably one of the reasons for my annoyance.

 

 

Is scummy.  Game content doesn't massively reduce from D2 onwards.  It can become more focused, but with quotes, and people having better arguments and more evidence to base those arguments off of, will be longer.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Pral

 

 

 

makes me feel pretty comfortable calling you town, because I grasp your thought process and scum!Hallia doesn't have one.

 

 

Is this in regards to her thought process on Cory or on Pral?  I don't see anything remotely good about her thought process there - the game, in fact, DOES reduce on D2 onwards because there's less people talking...and even if it didn't, how is that point worth voting him for?  

 

Several of the things Hallia's done this game seemed far more likely to come from her as town than mafia.  I highlighted earlier why I was extremely confident early on she was town.  But that vote - and the reasoning - are not good at all IMO

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  On 11/2/2015 at 12:13 PM, cory caboose said:

Naw BFG got me, just like in the HoC spec thread

 

What a weird kill

 

 

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 12:14 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 8:52 AM, BFG said:

Cory, are you actually going to talk to me this game[y][n]lmk?

Lol what?

 

I've been here the whole game toots

 

:)

 

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 12:37 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 8:44 AM, BFG said:

 

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Corlanna is my best bet for mafia right now. I don't really have a problem with Laine's posting, it's a little thin, but she's busy and I'm not sure how to read that. Cory is, well, not town (probably). I admit there are a few posts I like, his comment about me and Clov is one I can see from him as town, but not incapable as mafia. Clov is right that some of his responses to Sili feel genuine, although again I don't think he's incapable as mafia. Finally, his arguments with Yates and Pral, I'm pretty torn as to whether I think they're genuine or not, at least in a vacuum.

 

However, Cory isn't being transparent this game. WHY did he vote Sooh early on, or Rack, or Lenlo or Nomi. Shad is his first town read, yet without being mentioned again is only 1% above null in his list half way through the game, despite later on saying that he was strong on Shad early on. Towards the end of the day Rack challenges Cory as to what he's done to resolve his slot and says he's done nothing. Cory laughs it off and says Rack should read the thread... Except in ISO Cory has done NOTHING (productive, before the challenge) to address Rack, compare this to how Town!Cory handled suspects in Ragnarok. I know that Cory changed his mind on Rack at the last minute, but didn't really do anything to change the train (I know he changed his vote and mentioned Pral a couple of times, but that's not much from Cory). Cory also has Pral as a top mafia read, for posts that could be either alignment - so why does that make him scummy? The argument could be real, I would guess that Pral frustrates him as a player, but for Cory to argue with somebody over play style seems disengenuous. I think at one stage Cory votes Nomi, but never explains why unless it's the linking with Hallia, in which case why not address Hallia first? (This is probably because Nomi is a train at the time, so a vote is more effective here tbf)(but in his read list Nomi is in the 1% above null village bracket with several people underneath and between that and the vote Cory addresses nothing to Nomi).

 

Actually back to Pral... Cory's read in Ragnarok on Pral was that Pral was different to previous town! Pral - hadn't come into thread with an early case and vote, etc. etc. etc so if that's something that Cory associates with Prals TOWN! game then it seems even odder that he was pushing him as mafia here (again it's not that Cory is WRONG about Pral not being able to make that post as mafia, but Cory associates early presence, interest and votes with Town!Pral). Beyond that Pral has a point about Cory's approach this game...

 

Cory isn't addressing his suspects directly, he's talking about us. I appreciate I haven't said a lot, but Cory confronted Hallia directly when she had him as a suspect, yet is just leaving me alone (by which I mean pointing fingers in my direction, but not actually approaching me) Not sure I buy it. If Cory thinks I'm so bad as mafia (I am), and spew teammates easily (I probably do) WHY isn't he engaging me, forcing me to give opinions on people???

 

 

 

His question to Sooh about Nomi is literally the second third time he's engaged somebody directly in a 'I want to resolve your slot' way all day. The first was engaging Hallia. When he spoke to Pral he wasn't resolving his slot, he was talking about how effective Pral is in a game. When he was speaking to Lenlo, it was literally 'think you're a wolf'. I guess you could include the change in mind on Rack EOD a resolvement.

 

 

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In short in his most obvious town game Cory is open and forth coming with his reads, you know what they're going to be (mostly) from his focus and interest in thread, and there's none of that here, instead we have to guess why he's reading such and such a certain way. He's barely addressing his mafia reads of his own voilition, and instead is reacting to what they/we say (he still hasn't spoken to me since the game really got going, and his early response to me reads oddly formally). He's also only explained town reads after being asked (most of them anyway).

 

I'll be honest I'm not sure if his thought process about me 'doubting him because he hasn't posted a million times already' is real or not (people have feelings), but it's also not what I said. I said he isn't engaged as his most obvious town game

 

 

 

Honestly I just wish you actually understood me. I'm not going to sit here and berate you, just going to try and power through it. But it's really disappointing.

 

 

Correction to above, there was actually a decent back and forth with Lenlo, I just remembered the start and end

 

 

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I wish I understood you to.

 

 

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 12:46 PM, cory caboose said:

I think the end goal is that I need to stop trying as a villager so I don't have to deal with people trying to hero read me because I'm approaching a game a different way (which is basically what I always do as a villager, because my villager meta evolves a hundred times faster than my wolf meta). But we know I'm not actually capable of mailing it in to the point where I get severely depressed playing this game, so we keep doing it knowing I'll come back in 2-3 months for more dumb punishment.

 

I'm a villager, BFG. Regardless of your alignment just way to go. I've spent the past few days trying NOT to kick myself over d1 because I got so upset about d1 in Ragnarok I missed a day of work because I could barely get out of bed.

 

It's also hard to directly engage people who aren't even here most of the time when I'm NOT here 24/7 to be around for the spotty arrivals in general because for once in my life I actually have things to do other than play a dumb internet yelling game.

 

What do you mean with "people have feelings"?

Look at you directly engaging with me.

 

I didn't mention anything about the flips results or blame you for anything, so? Nor did I say anything to make you feel bad. Thinking you're mafia isn't an insult.

 

Mostly that people have feelings, I'm not very good at reading frustration, emotions in text so your post about 'not posting a million times' is stuck in weird land for me, as is your argument with Yates and Pral.

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 2:37 PM, cory caboose said:

A poet of our society once told me the truth about why villages lose at Mafia.

 

He looked me dead in the eyes and peeled a slice of bark from the tree of wisdom and pushed it in front of my face.

 

He told me,

 

"Too many Urkels on your team, 

that's why your wins low"

 

So to all of the people who are floating around and/or giving me flack because "I wasn't invested enough" while posting ~10 times a day phase to my ~300 and/or are making conclusions you aren't competent enough to really make I beg of you to think to yourself:

 

Am I an Urkel?

 

If the answer is an unfiltered yes, give me your vote for today. I will use it better than you, swearsies.

You post 300 times a day as mafia so???

 

I don't like any of these posts, but don't really know how to read them

 

 

 

I'll pull posts in a bit.