Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Verbal32]

Weird that one hydra head had me as town with zero explanation, and the other had me as scum, also with zero explanation.

 

Very weird.

[Leelou]

Weird that one hydra head had me as town with zero explanation, and the other had me as scum, also with zero explanation.

 

Very weird.

 

They were weird. 

[Verbal32]

I'm kinda surprised I'm even alive at this point.  Can my role be changed to "color commentator" on the game and I'll provide some nice play-by-play?

 

No?

[Talya]

I think their whole act of blaming each other and having different reads was done on purpose to confuse us.

[Sili Quirrels]

I'm kinda surprised I'm even alive at this point.  Can my role be changed to "color commentator" on the game and I'll provide some nice play-by-play?

 

No?

How can this surprise you?

 

What, did you think we'd lynch you just because you are inactive?

 

pshhhhhhh. I wanted to.

[Leelou]

I'm kinda surprised I'm even alive at this point.  Can my role be changed to "color commentator" on the game and I'll provide some nice play-by-play?

 

No?

 

No. 

[Songstress]

I feel uneasy about Jon Snow. My first instinct after the flip was "well he's clear town". And then my paranoia set in and now I'm feeling like that's what we're suppose to believe now. Wish trying to set him up (both claimaing they roleblocked him, and saying he would come in and hammer him) and then him managing to "guess" their character and yes doing the hammer... It doesn't sit well with me. I'm pretty sure mafia saw on D2 wisheste was going down, and decided to sacrifice her. And hoping Jon would come out looking better.

 

I'm gonna do Celeste's post, because she has way less posts than Wish <.< Also gotta reread D1. I think that's where we'll find the most interesting information. Who defended them, who put me on their scum list for going after them. D2 I think it would've been more distancing when more people had them at the bottom of their list.

 

We should check specifically Oci, Talya and JS on D1. At the top of my head they feel like they have the most connections with them.

 

Also gotta check Verb, what they said about him and him about them. His continued inactivity makes me increasingly worried. I think town Verb would've put in more effort, but also that mafia Verb would've stepped up after first getting heat... I don't know. Been too long since I've played with him.

 

I can see your point, and Sili did make me think about it a little (although I'd already started formatting my reads list by then and was down to figuring out where I was comfortable placing the last 3 people)...  The one question I have is why they would have felt it necessary to use Snow like this (pushing him as Loki/Mafia, claiming to RB him, and then having him "guess" their character and hammer) under the circumstances, because the only people who seemed to be suspicious of Snow D1 were Dice and Wish herself.

 

Too much thinking before coffee.  Will re-evaluate.

 

Would like Verb to actually play this game at some point.

[Kivam]

OCICAT HAS ASKED TO BE REPLACED.  ANDREJ WILL BE SUBBING IN

[Andrej]

[Verbal32]

 

I'm kinda surprised I'm even alive at this point.  Can my role be changed to "color commentator" on the game and I'll provide some nice play-by-play?

 

No?

How can this surprise you?

 

What, did you think we'd lynch you just because you are inactive?

 

pshhhhhhh. I wanted to.

 

 

I don't blame you.  Like, at all.  I volunteered and you people didn't do it, so now you're stuck with me!  Might as well let me ramp up and do some ISOs of dead scum and wagonomics.  I might even throw in some spidey meme if you're good.  ;-)

 

 

 

 

 

I'm voting you tomorrow.  Again.  Also, welcome!

[Andrej]

You're probably scum then

 

I'll start catching up when I'm off work today.

[Taborline]

Welcome, Andrej!

[Songstress]

Updating my reads list chart and second guessing my own reads a lot

 

I hate it when I do this to myself.  Gah.

[michellem]

Working on a post on Celeste, but got sidetracked by discovering the cats had peed on my workout clothes so then I had to go to the mall to buy more litter. Back now and will continue.

[michellem]

Looking at Celeste and who she's mentioned early game. Not taking with fluff post unless I feel there's something there.
 
Celeste:
 
D1:
 

[v]Sooh[/v I heard she is feisty as mafia.

 

@john snow Can the fluff that Sili's doing now really be a good tell for him? I have only seen him as mafia but I wouldn't be so quick to call him scum because of those posts.

This makes me feel Sili is not on her team. Does not make me feel better about JS.
 
Argues that cory's idea of mafia QT being open 4 days is not likely.
 

 

So much spam.

Everybody can answer Cory's question. I think it's a good one.

 

 
 

 

 

Does Eld usually ask questions like these?

 
Unfortunately, yes. He does it as either alignment.

 

If he does that as both alignments then I don't get the two votes on him atm. It's like he is just a scummy person in general.

 

 
Mention of Eld, does not strike me as teammates.
 
These two interactions with Leelou feels a bit off though.
 

 

 

 

Let's break down Ocicat's progress.
 
<snip> He construes an uninformative post as meaningful in order to make content. I insist that there were other posts to pick a part.
5. He goes away/to sleep after making one game related post. He has not been on since. If the above fos directed at snow was in fact a meta-vote, then two questions: 1. why didn't he meta-vote someone over a better reason in the first hour of play; 2, why hasn't he followed up in the last 15 hours?

I have played with Ocicat before and he comes in with points but posts when he has things to say. It's easier to tell his alignment when you put pressure on him.

 

In regards to number 5, there is a lot to comment on at present.

 

He possibly doesn't think that it is something he can comment on. It's weird and selective a bit but I agree that he should post more.

 

Soft defense of Oci.
 

 

*snipped*

@Celeste: this is a bit tmi on your part. why are you defending ocicat from fair prosecution? in your mind his lurking is null? but I have fos'd him severely since last night. and in comparison to john snow's post there is definitely a lot else to talk about if he was so inclined.

Trying to understand your points with what I know.

 

 
Liking Sili more and more as I read his interactions with Celeste. Very much liking him pointing out the TMI-bit here. Makes Oci/AJ fall even lower on my list.
 

 

@Celeste - if it's easier to tell his alignment when he's pressured, why would you give him an out right now vs. Putting more pressure on him?

Sometimes I realize what I say after I say it. I am also trying to read Sili.

 

 

Possibly. Didnt sound like she cared about your alignment though.

I was just bringing up meta. It's weird that you said the bolded though. Why are you saying that?

 

Feeling pretty good about Sili now.
 

 

 

@Mish Have you caught up yet? If so what are your thoughts?

This was 7am my time (GMT+1). I am not awake at 7am. Expect me at 1pm my time at the earliest. Yes, I sleep until noon. Chronically ill. Did I get a good nights sleep tonight? Nope >.< pains kept me awake until like 5 in the morning. Fibro is FUN guys :D :P



Caught up now. Thoughts. Yes. I have some.

I don't feel good about Len. His ISO on Talya and posting post counts and such feels like trying to look helpful and engaged and like he's #solving, instead of having to add actual content.
I'm liking Lee, Cory and Sili.
My first game with Eld and Oci, so they are hard for me to read at this point.
JS feels relaxed, wich is a good thing.
Also feeling good about Wisheste, Celeste seems more "on" and Wish more relaxed than TUS.

Yep, that's it for now.


[v] Len [/v]

 

Thank you. I will look at Lenlo more then.

 

Can't really decide what I think about this post... Hopefully they have more interactions later.
 

I find Verbal's silence to be odd. Is he not active usually?

Not sure what to think of this either.
 

Also with what Mish pointed out with the Verbal/Tayla/Leelou chat it looks odd to be but I can't quite but my finger on it.

This post feels akward. Might be because she's just pulling stuff out of her behind, since I never mentioned anything about that...
 

@Tress What are your thoughts if you haven't said them?

I have Tress on my town list and this looks like trying to get on a townies good side, not talking to a teammate.
 

[v]Tayla[/v] It's a gut vibe mostly.

This feels like a very strange timing to vote a teammate... So I'm thinking that's a point in Talya's favour.
 

 

@Celeste/Wish - you said you were going to look at Lenlo - what did you find. What are your current reads?
^Talya

It looks like he or she is trying to get to the bottom of the things. I like the questions he or she brings up and the points brought up.

 

The original quote is by Talya I think. It's clear from Celeste answers she never went back and looked... But I'm not getting potential temmate vibe neither in her answer to Talya or her talk of Len.
 

Rambling thoughts here.

Some of the lurking in this thread is really making it harder to read people. I find pral and Tina a bit on the scummy scum side for it. Eldrick points make him seem townish to me. Ocicat posting and responding to the votes on him is usually a town sign. I haven't seen him as mafia but he was like on the game I modded on MU. Sili and I's talk lead me to believe he is town. Verbal is someone who I can see as either alignment. Anyways more thoughts when I'm more awake.

Chucking Pral and Tina together is a + for tina in my book. Can't read much about Eld from this mention. Oci's mention still seem like teammate to me. Verbs mention can go either way. I find it strange she does not mention Talya here at all considering her next post is this list...
 

 

Cory/Key
Sili
Eldrick
Ocicat
Taborline
Songtress
Lenlo
Misheru
Sooh
John Snow
TinaHel
Leelou
Dicetosser
Pralaya
Verbal
Tayla

My colors again

 

We see Pral and Dice at the bottom of the list, who we know are town. I'm not sure what to make of Verb and Talya at the bottom... It doesn't make sense to have none of her teammates in her oranges or reds. Meh I'm not sure what to read of this.


This was all her connections to other players I could see on D1. Not sure if it made me any wiser. But hopefully that + wish' post can give some help... Ugh I kinda hate how much Wish posted. I am not looking forward to going through that at all.




 

[michellem]

GODDAMNIT. Fixed here. Putting it inside a spoiler so not so long to scroll over.

 

 

 

 

 

Looking at Celeste and who she's mentioned early game. Not taking with fluff post unless I feel there's something there.
 
Celeste:
 
D1:
 

 

[v]Sooh[/v] I heard she is feisty as mafia.

 

 

@john snow Can the fluff that Sili's doing now really be a good tell for him? I have only seen him as mafia but I wouldn't be so quick to call him scum because of those posts.

This makes me feel Sili is not on her team. Does not make me feel better about JS.
 
Argues that cory's idea of mafia QT being open 4 days is not likely.
 

 

 

So much spam.

Everybody can answer Cory's question. I think it's a good one.

 
 

 

 

 

Does Eld usually ask questions like these?

 
Unfortunately, yes. He does it as either alignment.

If he does that as both alignments then I don't get the two votes on him atm. It's like he is just a scummy person in general.

 
Mention of Eld, does not strike me as teammates.
 
These two interactions with Leelou feels a bit off though.
 

 

 

 

 

Let's break down Ocicat's progress.
 
<snip> He construes an uninformative post as meaningful in order to make content. I insist that there were other posts to pick a part.
5. He goes away/to sleep after making one game related post. He has not been on since. If the above fos directed at snow was in fact a meta-vote, then two questions: 1. why didn't he meta-vote someone over a better reason in the first hour of play; 2, why hasn't he followed up in the last 15 hours?

I have played with Ocicat before and he comes in with points but posts when he has things to say. It's easier to tell his alignment when you put pressure on him.

In regards to number 5, there is a lot to comment on at present.

He possibly doesn't think that it is something he can comment on. It's weird and selective a bit but I agree that he should post more.

Soft defense of Oci.
 

 

 

*snipped*

@Celeste: this is a bit tmi on your part. why are you defending ocicat from fair prosecution? in your mind his lurking is null? but I have fos'd him severely since last night. and in comparison to john snow's post there is definitely a lot else to talk about if he was so inclined.

Trying to understand your points with what I know.

 
Liking Sili more and more as I read his interactions with Celeste. Very much liking him pointing out the TMI-bit here. Makes Oci/AJ fall even lower on my list.
 

 

 

@Celeste - if it's easier to tell his alignment when he's pressured, why would you give him an out right now vs. Putting more pressure on him?

Sometimes I realize what I say after I say it. I am also trying to read Sili.

 

 

Possibly. Didnt sound like she cared about your alignment though.

I was just bringing up meta. It's weird that you said the bolded though. Why are you saying that?

Feeling pretty good about Sili now.

 

 

 

@Mish Have you caught up yet? If so what are your thoughts?

 

This was 7am my time (GMT+1). I am not awake at 7am. Expect me at 1pm my time at the earliest. Yes, I sleep until noon. Chronically ill. Did I get a good nights sleep tonight? Nope >.< pains kept me awake until like 5 in the morning. Fibro is FUN guys :D :P
 
 
 
Caught up now. Thoughts. Yes. I have some.
 
I don't feel good about Len. His ISO on Talya and posting post counts and such feels like trying to look helpful and engaged and like he's #solving, instead of having to add actual content.
I'm liking Lee, Cory and Sili.
My first game with Eld and Oci, so they are hard for me to read at this point.
JS feels relaxed, wich is a good thing.
Also feeling good about Wisheste, Celeste seems more "on" and Wish more relaxed than TUS.
 
Yep, that's it for now.
 
 
[v] Len [/v]

Thank you. I will look at Lenlo more then.

Can't really decide what I think about this post... Hopefully they have more interactions later.

 

I find Verbal's silence to be odd. Is he not active usually?

Not sure what to think of this either.

 

Also with what Mish pointed out with the Verbal/Tayla/Leelou chat it looks odd to be but I can't quite but my finger on it.

This post feels akward. Might be because she's just pulling stuff out of her behind, since I never mentioned anything about that...

 

@Tress What are your thoughts if you haven't said them?

I have Tress on my town list and this looks like trying to get on a townies good side, not talking to a teammate.

 

[v]Tayla[/v] It's a gut vibe mostly.

This feels like a very strange timing to vote a teammate... So I'm thinking that's a point in Talya's favour.

 

 

 

@Celeste/Wish - you said you were going to look at Lenlo - what did you find. What are your current reads?
^Talya

It looks like he or she is trying to get to the bottom of the things. I like the questions he or she brings up and the points brought up.

The original quote is by Talya I think. It's clear from Celeste answers she never went back and looked... But I'm not getting potential temmate vibe neither in her answer to Talya or her talk of Len.

 

Rambling thoughts here.

Some of the lurking in this thread is really making it harder to read people. I find pral and Tina a bit on the scummy scum side for it. Eldrick points make him seem townish to me. Ocicat posting and responding to the votes on him is usually a town sign. I haven't seen him as mafia but he was like on the game I modded on MU. Sili and I's talk lead me to believe he is town. Verbal is someone who I can see as either alignment. Anyways more thoughts when I'm more awake.

Chucking Pral and Tina together is a + for tina in my book. Can't read much about Eld from this mention. Oci's mention still seem like teammate to me. Verbs mention can go either way. I find it strange she does not mention Talya here at all considering her next post is this list...

 

Cory/Key
Sili
Eldrick
Ocicat
Taborline
Songtress
Lenlo
Misheru
Sooh
John Snow
TinaHel
Leelou
Dicetosser
Pralaya
Verbal
Tayla

My colors again

We see Pral and Dice at the bottom of the list, who we know are town. I'm not sure what to make of Verb and Talya at the bottom... It doesn't make sense to have none of her teammates in her oranges or reds. Meh I'm not sure what to read of this.


This was all her connections to other players I could see on D1. Not sure if it made me any wiser. But hopefully that + wish' post can give some help... Ugh I kinda hate how much Wish posted. I am not looking forward to going through that at all.

 

 

[Taborline]

In going back to find examples for Tress, I actually feel a bit worse about her and might bring her down to grey for the time being. I'll pull up some posts and comment them, but there are places where she feels off.

 

Tress, why did you not vote last night?

 

In looking back over your posts after seeing the flip everything looks okay, your first reads list on D1 you had Wish down as mild town, and move them to null by the end of D1, and on D2 you really push at them, which is all great, but it does make me wonder why you didn't cast a vote. You were around a couple of times after Wishleste were already 1 vote to hammer, but didn't do it, and came in afterwards saying :

 

 

 

I was trying to take advantage of my last off day to get some chores done around the house before I sat down to sort out my thoughts and update reads.  FWIW (which is nothing), I expect I would have voted Wisheste as well, because I did not like the way they were avoiding questions and the strange changes in Wish's reads today with little to no explanation of her thought process

[michellem]

Celeste D2:
 

Short on time here. Sili thoughts on Verbal?

 
She starts D2 off with focusing on Verb...
 

[v]Verbal[/v] He's just odd all around. His tone and the fact that he isn't around much. Also I see little content in his posts.

 
And continues with Verb... 
 

 

 

 

[v]Celeste[/v]
 
I want to see how her slot reacts under pressure.

Ok.

 

You know there is a difference between ignoring someone in a villagery way, and a wolfy way?
 
For instance, normally wolves want to dance around and play with the subjects feelings. That is what you are doing.
 
Villagers just don't care, but I think you care.

 

I really don't though. I just want to say if your suspicious of verbal then why aren't you voting him?

 

 
More Verb...
 

Seriously verbal is scum. His interactions seen strange with the people who play with him a lot.

 
And even more!
 
Thinking it is less likely Verb is mafia with them (he's rising fast on the list of Loki candidates tho). He's 90% of Celeste's focus D2.
 

@lenlo Also if Loki was survivor then why does mafia and town have to get rid of them? Is that a slip that I noticed?

 
This post (and Wish' posts at the same time) makes it pretty clear Len and they are not mafia together.
 

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.

 
I think, except for her reads list, this is the first time Celeste even mentions Tab. Makes me uneasy. More Verb, and throwing in Talya again for good measure.
 

 

 

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.

I don't have much of an opinion on how new you are or not, besides which we've had a succession of excellent noob's so don't really give leeway for that anyway (any more).Why do you think Talya and Verb are mafia?

 

Interactions with people seem sparse or odd in tone. The mindset doesn't seem to very town like. I figure out my reads through the tone or interactions I have with people. I don't find speculation to be a scum thing like some people think. I also think some of the reasons for voting me are weak. Also I don't get the "they seem to know too much" reason that I saw some where.

 

 
 Can't make out more from this post.
 

 

 

 

 

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.

I don't have much of an opinion on how new you are or not, besides which we've had a succession of excellent noob's so don't really give leeway for that anyway (any more).Why do you think Talya and Verb are mafia?

 

Interactions with people seem sparse or odd in tone. The mindset doesn't seem to very town like. I figure out my reads through the tone or interactions I have with people. I don't find speculation to be a scum thing like some people think. I also think some of the reasons for voting me are weak. Also I don't get the "they seem to know too much" reason that I saw some where.

 

Can you give specific examples of this?Whose reasons for voting you are weak? You have Tabor as town, yet she's voting you, so Mish and Sili?

 

Sili is another person I read as town. Leelou's and Mish's reason. I don't really know how to explain well is the thing.

 

Here's the first time Leelou gets a mention since their two posts to each other early D1.


Again, it didn't make me much wiser, except for it seeming more unlikely they were mafia with Verb. I'm less sure about Talya again.

[michellem]

If someone feels like skimming through Oci, JS, Leelou, Tab and Talya to find their opinions on Wisheste that would be great.

 

I'll try to get to Wish now, but I'll just skim through on my phone as sims is yelling my name.

[Songstress]

 

In going back to find examples for Tress, I actually feel a bit worse about her and might bring her down to grey for the time being. I'll pull up some posts and comment them, but there are places where she feels off.

 

Tress, why did you not vote last night?

 

In looking back over your posts after seeing the flip everything looks okay, your first reads list on D1 you had Wish down as mild town, and move them to null by the end of D1, and on D2 you really push at them, which is all great, but it does make me wonder why you didn't cast a vote. You were around a couple of times after Wishleste were already 1 vote to hammer, but didn't do it, and came in afterwards saying :

 

 

 

I was trying to take advantage of my last off day to get some chores done around the house before I sat down to sort out my thoughts and update reads.  FWIW (which is nothing), I expect I would have voted Wisheste as well, because I did not like the way they were avoiding questions and the strange changes in Wish's reads today with little to no explanation of her thought process

 

 

Because I hadn't finished sorting out my reads list, and I didn't want to vote before posting it - Snow hammered before I had time to finish.

[Verbal32]

Celeste D2:

 

Short on time here. Sili thoughts on Verbal?

 

She starts D2 off with focusing on Verb...

 

[v]Verbal[/v] He's just odd all around. His tone and the fact that he isn't around much. Also I see little content in his posts.

 

And continues with Verb... 

 

 

 

 

[v]Celeste[/v]

 

I want to see how her slot reacts under pressure.

Ok.

 

You know there is a difference between ignoring someone in a villagery way, and a wolfy way?

 

For instance, normally wolves want to dance around and play with the subjects feelings. That is what you are doing.

 

Villagers just don't care, but I think you care.

 

I really don't though. I just want to say if your suspicious of verbal then why aren't you voting him?

 

 

More Verb...

 

Seriously verbal is scum. His interactions seen strange with the people who play with him a lot.

 

And even more!

 

Thinking it is less likely Verb is mafia with them (he's rising fast on the list of Loki candidates tho). He's 90% of Celeste's focus D2.

 

@lenlo Also if Loki was survivor then why does mafia and town have to get rid of them? Is that a slip that I noticed?

 

This post (and Wish' posts at the same time) makes it pretty clear Len and they are not mafia together.

 

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.

 

I think, except for her reads list, this is the first time Celeste even mentions Tab. Makes me uneasy. More Verb, and throwing in Talya again for good measure.

 

 

 

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.

I don't have much of an opinion on how new you are or not, besides which we've had a succession of excellent noob's so don't really give leeway for that anyway (any more).Why do you think Talya and Verb are mafia?

 

Interactions with people seem sparse or odd in tone. The mindset doesn't seem to very town like. I figure out my reads through the tone or interactions I have with people. I don't find speculation to be a scum thing like some people think. I also think some of the reasons for voting me are weak. Also I don't get the "they seem to know too much" reason that I saw some where.

 

 

 Can't make out more from this post.

 

 

 

 

 

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.

I don't have much of an opinion on how new you are or not, besides which we've had a succession of excellent noob's so don't really give leeway for that anyway (any more).Why do you think Talya and Verb are mafia?

 

Interactions with people seem sparse or odd in tone. The mindset doesn't seem to very town like. I figure out my reads through the tone or interactions I have with people. I don't find speculation to be a scum thing like some people think. I also think some of the reasons for voting me are weak. Also I don't get the "they seem to know too much" reason that I saw some where.

 

Can you give specific examples of this?Whose reasons for voting you are weak? You have Tabor as town, yet she's voting you, so Mish and Sili?

 

Sili is another person I read as town. Leelou's and Mish's reason. I don't really know how to explain well is the thing.

 

Here's the first time Leelou gets a mention since their two posts to each other early D1.

 

 

Again, it didn't make me much wiser, except for it seeming more unlikely they were mafia with Verb. I'm less sure about Talya again.

 

Wow I was apparently very popular over the weekend with Celeste.  Initial impressions from your ISO here is that she was looking to push a reasonably easy mislynch as I haven't been around enough to defend myself (or do anything, really).

 

Who was the primary counterwagon to her hydra yesterday?

[Sili Quirrels]

I think i will float mishs spew boat.

[Sili Quirrels]

There was no counter wagon.

[BFG]

AJ!

[Niniel]

Wow, AJ and BFG are replacing in with over 100 posts to read. Welcome AJ!

 

 

I have not re-read anything yet but my bad feelings about Oci/AJ gets even stronger after this lynch. 

 

I have to read Leelou´s posts around the lynch because I think she was pretty active trying to lynch Wish/Celeste. 

 

Got a good feeling about Lenlo. 

 

Haven´t seen anything yet from BFG that screems town to me. 

 

Will see about Verb now that he has returned.