Alien mafia [BASIC] - Game Over - Town won

Eldrick4221 · June 8, 2015

Notbob is voting me, but yea.

Verbal32 · June 8, 2015

8 pages to catch up on - I was on page 3 on Friday - I'll be caught up later this morning. No prob.

Darthe · June 8, 2015

Yay Verbal, shed your wisdom upon us.

Or whatever

Verbal32 · June 8, 2015

Yay Verbal, shed your wisdom upon us.

Or whatever

Too early on a Monday for wisdom, so you might get a large dose of whatever. We'll see.

Aiel Heart · June 8, 2015

Post #21, Darthe said he had N0 viewed Eldrick as town. I’d taken that as a joke. Eldrick did done the vote on verbal because of the town list, then unvoted because he already had a train, Alanna pointed this out. Post #75 Eldrick points out the lack of consistency between Darthe’s “view” and his new action to vote Eldrick, which indicates that he took it to be an actual view, not a joke, and #80 seems to strengthen this (btw interested to see how Hallia reads him now). A few more posts of him responding to people, and then he says that HIS N0 peek was Sooh in #83. In that same post he says “thanks for the horrible Seer cover, Darthe."
Ok, so he’d been consistent in believing that seers were possible, presuming that he was a seer would he accept other seer claims? Also, why reveal that early? He had all of one vote on him.

He’s sticking by it too (reads in #193)

Eldrick, care to give any further insight to this?

Daetirion · June 8, 2015

Right, checking back in. Initial thoughts on read through as follows:

Talya and Alanna have got some good evidence (for Day 1) on Eldrick. My gut is still saying he just made a mistake, but my gut seems to be out of practice in other games and there is nothing to say it's improved here! I think i may just be rationalising his action based on my own mistake in American Gods, which would be logical but unhelpful. In which case I should really follow the evidence, which has certainly been convincing enough for me to lean towards Eldrick as Mafia. I'll hold off on my vote for a couple of hours to internalise what i've read, as i'm still not 100% behind it.

Sili's conduct concerns me. The presumably jokey "i'm not lynching these guys" could be simply a joke, or it could be trying to bail out teammates - in this case Darthe who has come under suspicion. Darthe, i have little read on as there are minimal substantive posts, so I don't want to definitely put these pair together, but it just doesn't gel for me. The way he held off on the Eldrick train until later could be he was seeing which way the wind blew, picking his target and giving the bandwagon more steam as a Mafia ... or it could be he simply waited for the evidence. I'd say i'm leaning Mafia here but only slightly. Definitely keeping my eye on him though.

The other person I think deserves scrutiny is Shad. He's strongly pushing a defence for Eldrick, which if he flips Mafia would put him top of my list for lynching. He starts the Darthe lynch presumably to try and take some of the heat off Eldrick, who then jumps on the lynch with him. This could just be a desperate player looking for an out, or a genuine attempt to start a rival bandwagon. The way he is clashing, particularly with Darthe, doesn't seem right. Even if Eldrick doesn't flip Mafia, i don't think he's in the clear. A Mafia could offer a strong defence to a townie day 1, knowing his teammates would get the bandwagon over the line and then claim credit later to deflect suspicion. This may be a bit too advanced for a newer player, but we'll see i suppose.

Daetirion · June 8, 2015

Note: I am quote snipping to the pertinent bits:

Votes notwithstanding, Eldrick's accusers are Alanna, Darthe, Sili and Hallia. Possibly NotBob as well. Five people gunning for one target on Day 1? I'd say you could guarantee one mafia in that list, if not two.
Hallia wasn't gunning for me. She had an issue with me bringing up N0 peeks. I agree with the rest of that list, and your observation that there is probably at least 1 wolf in it.

Daetirion - how confident are you in Eldrick being Town? Your observation quoted above only makes sense in a world where Eldrick is mod confirmed Town and I don't understand how that line of reasoning would occur to you/have any merit to make it post worthy in a world where that is not the case.

Sorry, only spotted this on reread. That call was based on my gut read of it as Eldrick just making a mistake, which initially i was moderately confident in trusting. Per above, my position has altered somewhat on Eldrick (and my gut in general). Should he flip Mafia, the point is moot, but should he flip town I still think there is a good chance some Mafia have jumped on it. It all depends i suppose on how lurky the Mafia team are playing.

Clovdyx · June 8, 2015

My vote counts are pretty sexy.

So sexy.

Thanks, <3 <3 <3

Verbal32 · June 8, 2015

I didn't know he already had a train. While listing everyone as town doesn't sit well for me, it's not worth lynching over.

[unvote]

Oh boy. There is no way you're joking here.

Oh boy.

I think it's hilarious that my actions are getting pressure. My vote was not a serious one. When I continued reading, and found out others had voted him, I unvoted.

Laine voted me before I had even posted, and now she's just looking for a reason to keep it there.

Darthe says he N0 viewed me villager, and is now voting me. Nice consistency.

Yes it was. I'm going to ignore the N0 talk, because that's just silly.

I'm feeling pretty comfortable with Eldrick so far. "While listing everyone as town doesn't sit well for me, it's not worth lynching over" is an awkward statement, but maybe just a weak attempt to prod Verbal? I like his style of self-defense. It felt natural, common sense, nothing to hide.

Alannalynn voted Eldrick before he ever showed up to the thread. She hopped all over him after the above quote with shallow accusations, seemed like she chose her target first and dug for incrimination afterwards.

Darthe voted Eldrick for his obvious joke post "Town reading too many people so early", not the awkwardly-worded unvote. I don't like that.

Since I don't know any of you, it's hard for me to say much about Alannalynn or Darthe here. This might just be their styles to prod people early on and get better feels of them. I don't think I'll be voting Eldrick any time soon though.

It would be nice to see Verbal put out a little more content, since he's on the hot seat too.

Another one of these. It was like page 4 or 5, and I had more content at that point than a handful of other people, but you choose to make this statement anyway. After your atrocious opening post, this is what you're looking to hang your hat on? Good luck.

(protip: at no point was I on the hot seat)

I just don't like that he [Eldrick] made a joke vote then got squeamish about it after the fact because he didn't realize he was adding a third vote (we're only 5? pages in, I don't see why he couldn't look ahead to see a VC anyways). Feels like he's trying to avoid attention early in the game. I normally get a town read from Eldrick, not getting one right now. His backtracking is throwing me off. I'm happy leaving my vote there for pressure though.
Let's pretend we know the wolves have day chat because - you know - the wolves probably have day chat... Can you explain to me how Eldrick's vote and unvote is wolfy?

I'm going to answer this: in a recent game where Eldrick was a wolf (with Leelou, actually), I cleared him for amazingly obvious wolf behavior because I was certain he'd be coached via QT to cease & desist all "amazingly obvious wolf bahavior". He did not, so I assumed he was a villager.............and he was actually a wolf. So I'm not making that mistake again - Eldrick shoots to my #1 suspect for that bad series of posts. If he's a villager, this should teach him a valuable lesson - think before you post.

I don't know where you're getting uncomfortable from. I was, and still am, amused that this is getting so much attention.

As for why I explained my unvote, something pinged me about his joke read list. I didn't want my vote on a train this early. There's not enough to warrant a lynch. It's still got my attention, though, and am waiting to see more from Verb to form a read on him.

How does your vote make me get lynched? Do you really think the entire village was going to pile onto my wagon after seeing your vote on there?

The bottom line is that you either make a big mistake as a villager, or a huge slip as a wolf. The good news is that if you flip villager, we can analyze who was opportunistic (or not) on your lynch.

[v]Eldrick[/v]

Leelou · June 8, 2015

Vote Count

Eldrick (5) - Laine, Darthe, Sili, Notbob, Verb
Darthe (2) - Eldrick, Shad
Verbie (1) - Yates

Not voting - Daetirion, Hallia, Aiel <3, Sooh, Talya

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

DEADLINE - NOON Tuesday EDT (roughly 25 hours from now)

Shad_ · June 8, 2015

I'm feeling pretty comfortable with Eldrick so far. "While listing everyone as town doesn't sit well for me, it's not worth lynching over" is an awkward statement, but maybe just a weak attempt to prod Verbal? I like his style of self-defense. It felt natural, common sense, nothing to hide.

Alannalynn voted Eldrick before he ever showed up to the thread. She hopped all over him after the above quote with shallow accusations, seemed like she chose her target first and dug for incrimination afterwards.

Darthe voted Eldrick for his obvious joke post "Town reading too many people so early", not the awkwardly-worded unvote. I don't like that.

Since I don't know any of you, it's hard for me to say much about Alannalynn or Darthe here. This might just be their styles to prod people early on and get better feels of them. I don't think I'll be voting Eldrick any time soon though.

It would be nice to see Verbal put out a little more content, since he's on the hot seat too.

Another one of these. It was like page 4 or 5, and I had more content at that point than a handful of other people, but you choose to make this statement anyway. After your atrocious opening post, this is what you're looking to hang your hat on? Good luck.

(protip: at no point was I on the hot seat)

Two people vote against you and you stopped posting. I said that I would like to see you respond to them. I was told you don't post much on the weekends, and I moved on with life.

I'm going to answer this: in a recent game where Eldrick was a wolf (with Leelou, actually), I cleared him for amazingly obvious wolf behavior because I was certain he'd be coached via QT to cease & desist all "amazingly obvious wolf bahavior". He did not, so I assumed he was a villager.............and he was actually a wolf. So I'm not making that mistake again - Eldrick shoots to my #1 suspect for that bad series of posts. If he's a villager, this should teach him a valuable lesson - think before you post.

I am glad to hear that my line of reasoning with Eldrick was not crazy. I will feel less stupid if he flips wolf because of this.

Verbal32 · June 8, 2015

I'm feeling pretty comfortable with Eldrick so far. "While listing everyone as town doesn't sit well for me, it's not worth lynching over" is an awkward statement, but maybe just a weak attempt to prod Verbal? I like his style of self-defense. It felt natural, common sense, nothing to hide.

Alannalynn voted Eldrick before he ever showed up to the thread. She hopped all over him after the above quote with shallow accusations, seemed like she chose her target first and dug for incrimination afterwards.

Darthe voted Eldrick for his obvious joke post "Town reading too many people so early", not the awkwardly-worded unvote. I don't like that.

Since I don't know any of you, it's hard for me to say much about Alannalynn or Darthe here. This might just be their styles to prod people early on and get better feels of them. I don't think I'll be voting Eldrick any time soon though.

It would be nice to see Verbal put out a little more content, since he's on the hot seat too.

Another one of these. It was like page 4 or 5, and I had more content at that point than a handful of other people, but you choose to make this statement anyway. After your atrocious opening post, this is what you're looking to hang your hat on? Good luck.

(protip: at no point was I on the hot seat)

Two people vote against you and you stopped posting. I said that I would like to see you respond to them. I was told you don't post much on the weekends, and I moved on with life.

No, you did not say that you'd like to see me respond to them, you said "It would be nice to see Verbal put out a little more content." Those are 2 different things.

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 8, 2015

I'm feeling pretty comfortable with Eldrick so far. "While listing everyone as town doesn't sit well for me, it's not worth lynching over" is an awkward statement, but maybe just a weak attempt to prod Verbal? I like his style of self-defense. It felt natural, common sense, nothing to hide.

Alannalynn voted Eldrick before he ever showed up to the thread. She hopped all over him after the above quote with shallow accusations, seemed like she chose her target first and dug for incrimination afterwards.

Darthe voted Eldrick for his obvious joke post "Town reading too many people so early", not the awkwardly-worded unvote. I don't like that.

Since I don't know any of you, it's hard for me to say much about Alannalynn or Darthe here. This might just be their styles to prod people early on and get better feels of them. I don't think I'll be voting Eldrick any time soon though.

It would be nice to see Verbal put out a little more content, since he's on the hot seat too.

Another one of these. It was like page 4 or 5, and I had more content at that point than a handful of other people, but you choose to make this statement anyway. After your atrocious opening post, this is what you're looking to hang your hat on? Good luck.

(protip: at no point was I on the hot seat)

Two people vote against you and you stopped posting. I said that I would like to see you respond to them. I was told you don't post much on the weekends, and I moved on with life.

No, you did not say that you'd like to see me respond to them, you said "It would be nice to see Verbal put out a little more content." Those are 2 different things.

Maybe you just should have put out more. lulz

Sooh · June 8, 2015

Shad - it's fairly common knowledge for the rest of us I think that Verb doesn't do mafia on the weekends. Say what you will of it, but I believe that's why he didn't respond to any comments to him until now.

Sooh · June 8, 2015

I need to go back and reread a few pages, but I'm fairly convinced Eldrick is a wolf here.

Verbal32 · June 8, 2015

Shad - it's fairly common knowledge for the rest of us I think that Verb doesn't do mafia on the weekends. Say what you will of it, but I believe that's why he didn't respond to any comments to him until now.

It is rare that I'm online over the weekend, so yes. But my issue is not with him saying I should have been online and responding - my issue is that he requested more content, when at the time I had more content than many other players. To me, those are 2 different trains of thought.

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 8, 2015

Vote Count

Eldrick (5) - Laine, Darthe, Sili, Notbob, Verb

Darthe (2) - Eldrick, Shad

Verbie (1) - Yates

Not voting - Daetirion, Hallia, Aiel <3, Sooh, Talya

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

DEADLINE - NOON Tuesday EDT (roughly 25 hours from now)

At least two scum within the bolded group.

Verbal32 · June 8, 2015

Maybe you just should have put out more. lulz

This would be the first time I've ever heard that directed at me, heh.

I've got some great Spidey for this, but we're on the wrong site for it, lol.

Verbal32 · June 8, 2015

Vote Count

Eldrick (5) - Laine, Darthe, Sili, Notbob, Verb

Darthe (2) - Eldrick, Shad

Verbie (1) - Yates

Not voting - Daetirion, Hallia, Aiel <3, Sooh, Talya

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

DEADLINE - NOON Tuesday EDT (roughly 25 hours from now)

At least two scum within the bolded group.

I'm happy to be a villager with you this game.

鲍勃不是我的名字 · June 8, 2015

Maybe you just should have put out more. lulz

This would be the first time I've ever heard that directed at me, heh.

I've got some great Spidey for this, but we're on the wrong site for it, lol.

You can post it in the chat thread...I need a pick me up.

Yates · June 8, 2015

3) Not referring to your own vote. You defended Yates and NotBob's opening votes as jokes in the process of pushing Eldrick over opening actions that were also partly in jest. I used this as an example of some of your arguments that felt weak and subsequently scummy to me on first read.

I think you are missing some context here. She said the votes by NotBob and I were meta based RVS votes and thus seemed like reasonable enough "arguments" [so much as they exist] for first.early votes. She then said that Eldrick's RVS vote did not seem as legit because he claimed it was a joke vote at first but then said his vote was NOT a joke and has subsequently said his vote was both a joke and not a joke. See how that is different?

Verbal32 · June 8, 2015

FTR, I don't think his vote on me was a joke until it was pointed out to him how bad it was.....then all of a sudden it was a joke.

Also, @Yates - did you see my explanation of Eldrick and how I thought he'd be coached better via QT than to be an obvious wolf, yet he flipped wolf anyway? What are your thoughts on that?

Darthe · June 8, 2015

Post #21, Darthe said he had N0 viewed Eldrick as town. I’d taken that as a joke. Eldrick did done the vote on verbal because of the town list, then unvoted because he already had a train, Alanna pointed this out. Post #75 Eldrick points out the lack of consistency between Darthe’s “view” and his new action to vote Eldrick, which indicates that he took it to be an actual view, not a joke, and #80 seems to strengthen this (btw interested to see how Hallia reads him now). A few more posts of him responding to people, and then he says that HIS N0 peek was Sooh in #83. In that same post he says “thanks for the horrible Seer cover, Darthe."

Ok, so he’d been consistent in believing that seers were possible, presuming that he was a seer would he accept other seer claims? Also, why reveal that early? He had all of one vote on him.

He’s sticking by it too (reads in #193)

Eldrick, care to give any further insight to this?

I deem this and the post after it unreadable and condemn you both to a TLDR

Darthe · June 8, 2015

This game is so easy. El and Shad pegged. NB is being odd

Verbal32 · June 8, 2015

*looks at everybody else, but points at Darthe*

If you ignore it, it goes away.

Alien mafia [BASIC] - Game Over - Town won

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