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[Nolder]

Does no one else see what I see with Turin?

[Thane Vakarian]

for the moment, i doubt the other players, including me, do, Nolder. 

[Andrej]

Better AJ?

I guess, at least it's something to go on record. I'm just a stickler for details so some examples and what not would've helped more.

[Thane Vakarian]

AJ, seeing you're here, and Notbob isn't.... if i read correctly what he wrote, he accused you of having an agenda. Though he doesn't follow up on it, and you haven't commented on it. I pointed it out when i made my last reads list... 

 

care to tell me/us what you make of it?

[Turin Turambar]

 

AJ, what is your current position on Nolder?

I wouldn't lynch him today.

Why? Or more accurately why not?

[seph]

@ nolder I don't Turin is one I won't vote for day 1.

Notbob has at least been posting content these last few times he was here, so that is nice. I didn't like him early just complaining while not contributing. I have them both null atm. I almost forgot about him completely.... 

[Andrej]

 

 

AJ, what is your current position on Nolder?

I wouldn't lynch him today.

Why? Or more accurately why not?

I don't think he is mafia at this stage of the game. He's getting more involved now so we'll see as things progress but there are other places I think are better to look first.

[Turin Turambar]

 

The one I am most suspicious of currently is with Nolder.

Haha what?

How can you be this obvious?

You weren't even talking about me until I came in and voted you and now I'm #1 suspect?

What happened to John Snow? Now suddenly it's me, AJ, and maybe Notbob?

Another misrep by snipping out the context. The line above what you quoted talks about convos AJ had that I saw w/w potential in. At least I am pretty sure of that. On mobile so can't verify. If that group yours was and is the most troubling.

 

I'm still voting AJ if that means anything to you.

[Andrej]

AJ, seeing you're here, and Notbob isn't.... if i read correctly what he wrote, he accused you of having an agenda. Though he doesn't follow up on it, and you haven't commented on it. I pointed it out when i made my last reads list... 

 

care to tell me/us what you make of it?

I responded to it last night and like I said there you'll have to take it up with Not Bob. I can't tell why he used that word in particular or what he meant by it. My opinion? He probably meant the 'agenda' was me suggesting to run him up and then asking everyone their opinions on it. As to why he hadn't listed me as a suspect could be because he doesn't find my body of work as suspicious as others. I don't know but I did address his statement to explain my actions on the subject.

 

Why do you think he is voting you?

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

 

AJ, what is your current position on Nolder?

I wouldn't lynch him today.

Why? Or more accurately why not?

I don't think he is mafia at this stage of the game. He's getting more involved now so we'll see as things progress but there are other places I think are better to look first.

that's basically a non-answer. It can reasonably be assumed you don't think he is mafia if you aren't willing to vote him.

 

Do the misreps bother you?

[Thane Vakarian]

I don't consider my gameplay so bad that it warrants a vote. Maybe he just doesn't like me? Another thought could be that he wants to try to run me up, get some people on me and get rid of me. But he'd need to actually be in the thread to be able to do that.. 

 

I'll say this once,and only once.. and Nyn would be all over me if she'd be in this game: When i doubt; CFD on Thane D1 and be sure to get a townie killed. 

[Thane Vakarian]

ebwop: when in doubt*

[Zander?]

im leaning my vote towards john snow or not bob.  thoughts?

[Thane Vakarian]

to me, both would work. JS would be more likely to gather votes i think... 

[seph]

@ zander I agree with the john snow one, I don't have enough for not bob. Why those 2?

 

 

Thane I am also completely lost on the CFD comment. If you want to explain thanks, if not i am not to worried.

[Thane Vakarian]

Seph: CFD = chinese fire drill. In mafia, it means you all pile votes on someone not being the leading train shortly before deadline to get him/her lynched. It has happened to me before (more than once) and both times i was town. I also have been mislynched a lot D1 as VT. Now you know the history behind the comment.

[Songstress]

Down to 6 minutes before I have to leave for work, so I don't even have time to refresh my memory on AJ, Ithi, Turin and Seph, and that really sucks because they have the most content for me to forget. I'm not entirely comfortable voting right now because of this - I'll go on record as saying that since there's no penalty for not achieving a majority I wouldn't cry too hard if we get a no lynch.  Information would be better, and I'll keep my eye on the thread to see what transpires and may vote if there's a train I feel comfortable with nearing the station, but I'd rather be more sure.

 

Explanations in spoiler...

 

 

 

(ISOs done late last night except for Snow's)

 

Zander (Cory) - very little content.  Has offered opinions on Ithi/Turin/Seph/Tress as all town. Not "getting good vibes" from Sooh.  Claimed VT without reason. States John Snow putting himself as town on his reads list is the same as his VT claim and says this is "weird" and "offputting".  Does not understand votes on AJ and says he seems like town, although he understands that AJ is also good as mafia. Starting to have a gut feeling that one of either Ithi or Turin is not town. Maintains he has a town read on AJ although he understands Turin's response to his "dense" comment. // Unsure, maybe slight town.

 

 

Nolder - 13 posts in ~3 days - this is not the kind of volume I'm used to from Nolder.  Typically he would have tried to lynch himself for having this low of a post count.  Tries to banter grammar cop with Ithi. Votes Zander (joke vote for not having enough exclamation points). Questions AJ's assertion that they have not been town together before, suggests he is singling him out as low hanging fruit.  Reiterates that he thinks AJ was singling him out and asks who the "few" other people are that AJ thinks he could read.  Explains absence from the thread for 2 days due to watching news from Baltimore riots.  Gives reads: Thinks the interaction between Ithi and Turin is distracting, AJ seems more laid back than last game together, NotBob quiet as normal for him early game... notes Turin opposed lynching inactives and suggests he is scum with an inactive teammate. States Turin dodged the question about whether it was NotBob or all inactives he was opposed to lynching, but would not stand in the way of lynching Nol for inactivity - although he chose John Snow.  Does not like Thane going with the flow and does not think he appears to be trying to find scum.  Thinks Ithi is frustrated town.  Says Seph looks like he's trying hard - likes the effort and would like to keep him around although it is a null tell. States he does not have as much of a grasp on the game as he'd like but votes Turin.  Asks Turin how he's getting the impression that Nol thinks NotBob is mafia, and denies linking Turin to him - says Turin linked himself to NotBob by treating him differently as an inactive than Nol or Snow.  Acts oblivious as to how Turin got the idea that he thinks NotBob is Turin's teammate despite listing him as null.  Gets annoyed with people trying to "control how people talk".  States he doesn't like playing with Ithi or Turin because they take offense at small things and derail the game, suggests they take the high road and ignore insults.  Leaves the thread to avoid getting dragged into further discussion of personal attacks.  // Null - on the plus side he's not doing the catchup thing he historically has done as mafia, although he's self-aware enough to break out of that if he wants to I think.  Maybe slight town as of his posts today (4/30)

 

Eldrick - suspicious of Snow/myself/Seph for votes on Ithi, refuses to believe my vote was serious and thinks I am the most suspicious of the three for it.  States the timing of Seph's vote was not scummy and thinks he would have voted Ithi regardless of whether or not I did because it was done in a short amount of time.  Says all 3 votes on Ithi were because of "distancing" which was mentioned in the signup thread - this is false - and says Snow is the least suspicious because he was the first to vote, I was the most suspicious for trying to defend it as a serious vote. Then backtracks that I might have seen it as serious when he didn't because he doesn't know Ithi's meta.  Characterizes NotBob's vote on him as spiteful carryover from previous game.  Notes he deserves jab from Ithi about "unrelated" threads started on mafia board during ongoing games.  Denies Ithi's suggestion that Eldrick is either mafia defending his teammate at Seph's suggestion or mafia defending someone he knows is town, states he noticed the bold and the time stamps.  Denies he is defending Seph, just that he is pointing out faulty logic in the case against him.  Comments on Zander's "fufu" vote  that it's never too late for fake votes. Notes he does not appear on most recent vote count and reiterates his unvote as nobody appears to warrant his vote at the time.  Explains his use of the word "fake" as opposed to "joke" when referring to Zander's "fufu" vote.  Finds Seph's vote on NotBob alarming since he agreed with Thane that blind lyching is a bad idea, says this is the second time that Seph has done something suspicious, votes Seph.  Agrees with Ithi that he is against lynching inactives, although he notes that lynching only active players causes the game to slow down.  Responds to Snow's request to comment on Zander's VT claim that the claim does not mean much in a basic game. Notes Seph denies that his vote on NotBob was blind lynching but it "still feels like it to him", and is keeping his vote on Seph regardless of the fact that NotBob has responded which was Seph's stated intention.  Oblivious as to how claiming Vanilla Town in a basic game will reduce the number of valid targets for mafia who are PR hunting, as nobody will believe a D1 VT claim.  Thinks about it for 5 minutes and realizes that claiming Vanilla would cause problems for a power role if they need to reveal later.  Argues with AJ over why he sees Seph's frustration as inherently town, and says if mafia got caught they would also be frustrated.  Does not see how his timing is scummy.  Links Aj and Seph and indicates if Seph flips mafia, AJ looks bad for defending him.  Notes he will be away from the game most of tomorrow due to family time.  Responds to Turin that Seph flipping town would not clear AJ, the defending looks suspicious.  Notes @ AJ that he was suspicious of Seph when he was on the Ithi train.  Maintains that he still thinks there is scum between myself/Snow/Seph, happened too quickly to be all town.  Says he is still suspicious of Seph because he's too eager to join a train and followed on the NotBob train.  Posts reads: Ithi/Turin/Thane town, NotBob/Zander/Nolder/Sooh null, Snow/Tress/AJ scum lean, Seph strong mafia read.  States if he had a cop view he would view NotBob as he has good intuition and it would be nice to know he can trust him.  Responds to Snow's request that he will go back and check on Snow's recollection that Seph has just been following AJ all game.  Makes a list of all votes in the game, notes that he has not voted the same person as Seph contrary to Seph's statement, and clarifies for Snow that the only time Seph followed AJ was onto the NotBob train. // It stretches credulity to think his first 3 games back at DM could *all* be as mafia.  I don't get some of his stances but nothing stands out to me as particularly egregious, and while some of it may be a difference of interpretation, I'm not entirely sure.  Watching him for now.

 

Sooh (Clov) - Taken aback by Ithi's lack of interest in the game the first RL day but says she seems more on her game.  Asks me and AJ if we are always so fond of one another.  Notes anything that sheds light on how AJ and I interact is valuable.  Aplogizes for not being around much, busy with work, says she is working on a larger scale catchup post.  Asks Turin if he has time now.  Notes @ Seph she understands the first doubts Seph and I had about Ithi because she also had them, has only seen Ithi as town or 3p so is unsure if this is Mafia!Ithi - notes she had some good posts yesterday and picked up on stuff that others might have overlooked, but is still different than what she is used to from Ithi so she is currently null.  Unsure of Seph's and my motivations.  Turin's white knight play is normal so he is null.   Confused by who Seph is talking to in some posts.  Rolls eyes at Zander for "not getting goood vibes" from her early post.  Questions Seph on who he is agreeing with when voting NotBob and asks him to clarify that he is prodding for activity.  Asks Thane what his thoughts are on Eldrick so far.  Agrees with Thane that Eldrick seems town, says she has noted the ones who have nudged him - i.e. AJ and Tress, Ithi and NotBob.  Reminds me of my interaction with Eldrick.  States she would like to see Seph live beyond D1 because he seems to be trying to find his own playstyle right now and does not seem like he has an agenda like he did when he replaced back in to his first game as mafia. (Aside to Sooh in spoiler)

I've explained this before but I think it's important - what you interpreted as an agenda - because he was more focused - was *solely* because right before he replaced back in, we had just finished a couple of ISOs and firmed up a reads list, which thankfully did not have to be altered much when we found out his new alignment. He didn't have an "agenda" because he was mafia, he had a better reads list and more complete thoughts to post after the D1 and N1 flips, which was formulated entirely when he was town. I wouldn't base his alignment in this game at all on how he played the last one.

 States my posts ring town because my frustration seems genuine (*waves at Clov*).  Needs more time to read Turin accurately.  Wants to look at Ithi's posts again to see if there's anything new.   Points out that Thane has Ithi on his town list but then about 45 minutes later he noted he's still somewhat wary of Ithi.  Notes @ Ithi that the whole discussion about the first 24 hours of the game may be a moot point, but she did not see Ithi's normal town posting at that time, finds it odd that Turin would dismiss Ithi's difference in posting so completely as not being alignment indicative unless he already knew Ithi's alignment.  Points out Ithi's argument about Eldrick defending Seph seems to indicate she is more sure of Eldrick as mafia regardless of Seph's alignment, but her vote is on Seph.  Notes Ithi appears to think several mafia are pushing a countertrain to Seph, and questions whether this is good mafia play, as she understands it it's better to have the mafia split votes among several trains.  Asks NotBob why he finds her mini reads post re: Seph/me/Turin/Ithi as "not comforting".  Indicates she is ascribing Seph's inconsistency as due to newness, does not feel "altogether bad" about him trying to get reactions on D1.  Says Thane seems a tad disenterested so far, does not know if this is alignment indicative.  Can live with Turin's explanation of why he was so sure Ithi's gameplay at the beginning of the game was alignment neutral.  Notes the other two questions Turin answered were directed at Ithi.  Says she is undecided on AJ. Responds to Ithi that she didn't "fail to vote", she cased Ithi on things she found strange and notes she hasn't responded to them, but nothing at the time made her want to vote Ithi.  Plans to take a closer look at AJ's stances in the game.  Responds to Ithi that her "mafia 101 rules" are bits and pieces of advice about the game she has pieces together from conversations with other players and from reading the games, then says she expects that if Ithi is mafia she is trying to be unpredictable, so she will not spend a lot of energy on applying her rules to Ithi.  Notes we usually look at voting records to get an idea of alignments so her question about mafia voting patterns wasn't completley stupid.  Apologizes for unintentionally insinuating Ithi thought it was a stupid question.  Says she would use cop view on Turin.  Notes Turin left his vote on me for a very long time over a case that was not much more than jokey banter, and is not sure how he ended up on AJ  unless it was Ithi's case that won him over.  Asks Turin to elaborate on why he thinks AJ is mafia.  Notes that AJ starts out the game very fluffy and she counted 4 instances on the first page of the ISO of him referring to himself as town. Does not see anything that points to AJ as mafia, unless his defense of Seph is enough - unsure of AJ, says he is null at the moment.  Points out that Ithi gets onto others for not posting reads as promised, and her decision to take a bath and go to bed instead of looking into things in game as she promised looks bad.  Also thinks threatening to look at people who vote her looks bad.  Votes Ithi.  Tells Ithi that she didn't vote after her case earlier because Ithi was saying she needed to case the people who were her top suspects, and she has been saying it for two days, she does not appear to be invested in this game which is not how she appears as town.  // Coming across as town to me as of right now. I can see some influence from Clov in her thought processes this game. :)

 

NotBob - votes Eldrick, responds to AJ when asked why that Eldrick has a history of scumminess.  Responds to Eldrick that he is not spiteful, just consistent.  Notes Seph appears to have heard wrong that NotBob is supposed to be talkative, but says there's not a lot to comment on.  Asks Seph to explain why he is on some people's scumdar.  Piggybacks on AJ's request for Zander to explain why he is claiming.  Unsure what Thane expects NotBob to comment on, notes there is very little substance to the game so far. Agrees with Ithi's "possible mafia" list of seph/Thane/AJ/Eldrick that these appear to have an agenda and there is probalby scum in this list.  Notes Seph's vote on NotBob when his scum reads are Snow, Thane and Zander is a non-sequitur.  Comments that AJ doesn't voice his concerns when he votes NotBob but presses other people for their opinions of NotBob.  Notes Sooh's reads on seph/myself/Ithi/Turin are not comforting.  Responds to Seph's "the vote on you meant nothing" that votes mean more than words in his book.  Says he is pretty sure Seph is scum, could also vote Eldrick, votes Thane.  Clarifies to Sooh that Seph looks more inconsistent than myself/Ithi/Turin, and asks her for thoughts on Thane.  Responds to Eldrick that *he* would believe a D1 VT claim, and all further claims from that person would result in "lynch all liars".  Calls Turin's statement that Nolder is implying he and Turin are teammates a non-sequitur, and tells him to explain how he came to that conclusion.  Responds to Ithi's question about the train on NotBob that scum like to lynch him, see Thane.  Thanks Turin for his further explanation on his statement about Nolder linking them. // NotBob is an enigma wrapped in a mystery, dipped in a chocolate shell and rolled in nuts.  I do not see eye to eye with most of what he's said so far, but then I rarely do.  Null at the moment.

 

Thane - First serious game related content is reads list: Turin/Ithi/Aj/Eldrick as town, Nolder/Sooh/Snow/Tress null or mixed, NotBob/Seph/Zander "don't trust".  Reasons for his reads provided in spoiler, I highly disagree with many of his points. Says Seph has giving him "wrong vibes" in this game and time will tell if he's right.  Says he works a lot from gut feelings D1 and is a better scumhunter with a few flips.  Says he is "still somewhat wary of Ithi" (despite having her as town in his reads list 45 minutes earlier).  Votes NotBob, as a "good way to go".  Responds to Turin when he said he does not want to lynch inactives and would rather play the game with "great idea, let's play indeed".  Says he expects 3-4 mafia in this size of game, depending on setup and roles.  Seems to be riding the fence on the lynching inactives thing as he then points out that Pral is an ideal inactive mafia as an example.  Explains inconsistency with his Ithi read by saying she seems town to him but her play is not what he's used to from her.  Notes that more people actively playing will usually help with clearing enough players to use POE to identify inactive mafia.  Notes Zander will probably get smacked by Cory for claiming vanilla town.  States blind lynching is a very bad idea (after 3 votes on NotBob - as if he would have actually been hammered).  Then says it should be clear who we'd like to hear more from - NotBob and Nolder.  Says we still have more than 2 full days until deadline so no need to hurry.  Says he thinks Eldrick is doing fine, can follow his line of thinking, seems town.  Answers Aj's question about who was nudging Eldrick that NotBob voted him.  Indicates he can see the reason for Seph on Ithi's scum list, but asks her to clarify the other three (Thane/AJ/Eldrick).  Responds to Ithi that he would not have preferred her to keep her vote on Turin, but he is used to her being more aggressive as town.  Explains that he can imagine Seph in her mafia list because he's not cleared in Thane's list, so it's logical to him that others have him as mafia as well.  Replies to Seph that he can't explain his gut read on Seph, it's just that after reading the entire game Seph seems "off".  New reads list has Turin/Ithi/Eldrick as town, Zander as townish/null, Nolder/Sooh/Tress/Seph as null or mixed, Snow/Aj/NotBob as possible mafia.  Believes AJ has an agenda, thinks NotBob, AJ and Snow could be mafia together due to interactions.  Vote stays on NotBob.  Asks Nolder to catch up and give us a fresh look on everything.  Tries to calm Seph down and asks him to give his mafia reads without having to explain why.  Asks everyone who they would view if cop, no reasons necessary.  Reiterates his mafia list as Snow/AJ/NotBob, and says he would cop view Zander or Sooh.  Indicates he did provide reasons for his reads in spoiler tags, and notes if AJ has further questions he will try to respond to them tomorrow.  Is mildly concerned that he is not on Seph's reads list.  Misses Snow's Skyrim joke.  //  I have a hard time reading Thane - I disagreed with a lot of points in his first reads list although the second one was better.  Overall, town lean as of right now.

 

Seph (Dice) - Mixed.  This is his second game ever and I was his mentor in the first one, so I do have some experience with him.  I can get some of the thought process, but I can also see some of the inconsistencies that others are pointing out.  Will need to re-read and come back to him with more info.

 

AJ - I want AJ to be town here.  I'm not confident that I can read him well enough to say that he is, I know he can fool me.  I need to re-read him.  Second choice for cop view if I were to be a cop.

 

Snow - Votes Ithi because of distancing (in signup thread, presumably) - then jokes with Ithi about seeing her on the QT.  Notes Aj/Zander exchange about being friends, and notes Zander may be "in the wrong business".  Votes Seph for timing of his Ithi vote.  Clarifies his "distancing" comment re: Ithi was in reference to signup thread discussion with Turin.  Clarifies that his concern re: Seph was that it looked like he was testing the waters before voting Ithi.  Asks Zander if he is planning on backing up his Ithi/Turin/Seph/Tress town reads.  Characterizes Seph's vote on Ithi as opportunistic.  Characterizes Thane's vote on NotBob as useless, caseless, and based on about one line of text summarizing his posts.  Sees Turin's point on lynching inactives but says inactives are inherently anti-town and mafia likes to hide in the shadows D1.  Points out Zander's "super super early claim" as a ping and asks if anyone other than AJ is going to comment on it.  Says his vote on Ithi was a joke vote about the fact that she and Turin were distancing in the signup thread.  Says he still likes his vote on Seph but is willing to switch to Zander for the early claim.  Points out exchange with Thane, AJ, and Seph all voting NotBob, and Thane saying blind lynching is a bad idea - says there's something there and he is keeping an eye on all 4 of them.  Notes @ AJ's defense of Seph that there was 9 minutes and ONE VOTE in between when Seph first noted suspicion of Ithi and his vote on Ithi, and the vote is what makes the difference to him.  Classifies Seph's suspicion of Snow and Turin as OMGUS, points out in response to Seph's "you're the only one I called scum" that he is voting Ithi and that he'd asked Turin if he was scum too. (In fairness to Seph, his vote on Ithi was BEFORE Ithi called him scum.)  Explains to Eldrick why claiming VT is a bad idea (reducing the number of targets for mafia to find a PR).  Isn't sure what to make of Zander's claim, thinks it was possibly an act of paranoia or panic, bears further thought.  Argues with AJ that OMGUS is anti-town whether or not it's a natural reaction, and states his mentor should be keeping him from making newbie mistakes.  Asks AJ when he actually called the OMGUS scummy, and attributes it to his inexperience.  Expresses concern that there is no train with more than 2 votes less than 24 hours from deadline.  Gives notes and reads list - includes himself (I hate it when people do that, it's so damn artificial and self-conscious).  Ithi/Turin town by virtue of gut feelings, NotBob needs more explication on posts but town vibes, Sooh and Tress null by virtue of lack of contribution,  Eldrick/Thane/AJ need to be analyzed more, Could vote for Nolder or Zander, Seph mafia.  Asks mod to confirm no N0 (this is just odd - N0 is not a common thing on DM unless it's a trigger game or specifically to give everyone a chance to check in, and when it does happen it's typically noted clearly in the opening post).  Reiterates to Seph that he explained how OMGUS is anti-town.  Replies to Zander's accusation of hypocricy that he didn't claim VT, and he didn't disappear for over 24 hours - didn't post for a while at the beginning of the game because "nothing happened".  Suggests Zander read through the thread and if he still doesn't understand why his claim was anti-town Snow will spell it out for him.  Says he thinks Seph has just been following AJ on his votes, asks someone to check it for him since he's at work on mobile.  Clarifies that he thinks Seph followed AJ to NotBob and Ithi trains.  Promises to do a full writeup of his case on Seph when he gets home.  Ill-received Skyrim joke.  Acknowledges he was wrong on the Seph following AJ point and apologizes.  Halfway through re-read decides he doesn't buy his own case anymore and unvotes - then says around page 18-20 Seph starts pinging again, needs to take some time to consider.  ~ 4 hours later comes back with additional points on Seph - notes his logic re: NotBob vote/agreeing that blind lynching is a bad idea could use some looking over (I don't think it was bad logic at all, NotBob only had 3 votes and there was a lot of time to deadline, there was no danger he was actually going to be blind lynched and lots of time to jump off the train once NotBob actually started participating more).  Notes inconsistency between his statement that he has recently learned that meta is one of the worst ways to scum hunt and his use of meta in both casing Turin and defending himself against Turin (valid point).  Asks Seph to explain more the comment that he felt if Turin was mafia he would have "jumped ship".   Continues to point out the OMGUS.  Notes @ Seph that if he believes someone is mafia and doesn't have a better case on someone else, he should be voting them.  Notes Seph claims to have cased Snow but asks when that was.  Revotes Seph.  Acknowledges game is regular hammer with no penalty for not achieving a majority, which makes things less stressful.  Acknowledges he has a couple of responses to make to AJ but plans to do that later, should be around for a couple of hours before deadline.  Explains why inactives are bad D1 lynches, notes he, AJ and Seph would be good for information. // I have gone back and forth on him but his unvote on Seph and revote actually makes me lean town on him for now.  If it's manipulation it's a pretty great acting job.

 

Ithi - Memory of her posts + gut feeling, I think she's got a good chance to be mafia here.  Regardless of how the thread started out, which still does influence my thinking a bit I believe, there are some things that have stood out to me.  I unvoted specifically because she was starting to gain votes again and I wasn't sure of those who were voting her and wanted to reconsider after rereading.  One of the things that struck me in reading Sooh's ISO, since she was responding to Ithi there, was that Ithi claimed she didn't pay much attention to how one was "supposed" to play mafia when Sooh noted it was unlikely for all of the mafia to be trying to push one countertrain to Seph, but I don't buy that explanation as I've seen her reference the "Little Book of Darthe" many times in previous games.  I also felt like her town read on me was primarily to get me to back off of her.  She's had some more "classic town" Ithi posts since we got past the domestic drama portion of the thread, but I'm not sold yet.

 

Turin - I have a very bad time reading Turin  and often think his aggressive tone comes across as mafia.  I think it would be ironic if he and Ithi were mafia together this game, but I wouldn't venture to say that I think it's the case.  If I had a cop view, I'd probably use it on Turin, or maybe AJ. 

 

Color coded reads for easy reference.

 

Snow

Sooh

 

Thane

Nolder

Zander

 

AJ

 

Seph

 

NotBob

Eldrick

 

Turin

 

Ithi

 

Too many "maybe towns" and nulls.  And people wonder why I say I'm terrible at this game

 

 

And now I'm going to be late to work.  $#!*  

[Andrej]

 

 

 

 

AJ, what is your current position on Nolder?

I wouldn't lynch him today.

Why? Or more accurately why not?

I don't think he is mafia at this stage of the game. He's getting more involved now so we'll see as things progress but there are other places I think are better to look first.

that's basically a non-answer. It can reasonably be assumed you don't think he is mafia if you aren't willing to vote him.

Do the misreps bother you?

Well, you asked and I answered.

 

As far as the conflict between you two goes I don't have much of an opinion on it yet. I'm content watching it develop for now until I have a clearer picture of the game. I will say that the way you seem to be starting to justify your vote on me based on your suspicion of Nolder is not going to look good for you if I end up being the one lynched today.

[Zander?]

john snow i didnt like his quick vote on you, his kind of back tracking and the back and forth i had with him.

 

not bob...mostly gut.

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

 

 

 

AJ, what is your current position on Nolder?

I wouldn't lynch him today.

Why? Or more accurately why not?

I don't think he is mafia at this stage of the game. He's getting more involved now so we'll see as things progress but there are other places I think are better to look first.

that's basically a non-answer. It can reasonably be assumed you don't think he is mafia if you aren't willing to vote him.

Do the misreps bother you?

Well, you asked and I answered.

 

As far as the conflict between you two goes I don't have much of an opinion on it yet. I'm content watching it develop for now until I have a clearer picture of the game. I will say that the way you seem to be starting to justify your vote on me based on your suspicion of Nolder is not going to look good for you if I end up being the one lynched today.

Another non-answer. Your speaking very much like a politician. Lots of words signifying nothing.

 

My suspicion of you is based entirely on your words and actions. Your interaction earlier looked w/w and so.now it is a mark against both.

[Andrej]

Justify it however you'd like Turin. You're still going to come out looking bad.

 

It's funny the way you like to characterize things so that they fit your means. I was going to mention this in your last post when you asked me about Nolder's "misreps" which was basically nothing more than you framing the argument beforehand. I'm not sure if you did this consciously, probably not, but it still amuses me a little.

 

I told you earlier I talk straight. When I say I don't have an opinion on it yet, it's because I don't. Watching the conflict between you two is going to help me shape my read on the both of you. But apparently that isn't the answer you are seeking so by nature you try to characterize it as negatively as possible by labeling as political speech.

[Andrej]

Was sort of hoping you'd come in with a home run @Tress

[seph]

Tress I have you as town, though I don't understand how you have snow at the top of your town list/ or understand it. as no one else has him above null.

All I see you saying is you see the unvote/vote as town. I am quite the opposite here. 
what makes you think he is town, and can you post any contributions besides his read least?

[seph]

EBWODP *reads list* 

[Thane Vakarian]

[v] John Snow [/v]

 

I disagree with Tress and think he's a lynchcandidate for today. He's a wolf, in his case, a direwolf, perhaps. 

 

I don't know if i'll be back before DL, but i wanted to at least vote.