Aprils Fools Mafia

[Zander?]

 

So here we go

 

Clov has worked to get the game moving which is a townie thing to do. Now Clov 'could' do this as mafia, but it's not something to suspect him over as is. His vote on Yates was by far the most townie thing on thread at that point in the game.

 

Yates is playing low effort so far, this 'could' be mafia Yates replicating his low effort town game, but for now I'm inclined it more likely that this is town Yates. His response to the votes is possibly more wounded town than scummy as well. Hopefully he'll become more obvious once the game gets going.

 

I would be reluctant to lynch Zander today, mostly because I think him more likely to be town, but partly because DM 'courtesy' doesn't lynch noob players Day 1, partly because we want them to come back and play again, partly because it's difficult to read noob players as they tend to come across as scummy (admittedly I have a blind spot here). If he doesn't start adding more of value soon then I'll likely change my mind here.

 

I could tin foil on Sili and of my town reads and am currently more likely to do so than my other greens due to low thread presence, I'm more comfortable reading Sili during thread interaction and I'm seeing not much of that here, him bailing on the thread after telling me he liked his current PoE is a red flag to me since he normally develops reads through in-thread interaction. On the other hand his thought process is still sort of transparant so can get a light green read till tomorrow.

 

Tress is closer to green, early posts are paying attention (I had the same initial reaction to Sili's posts in terms of making me uneasy, finding them aggressive), she also seems relaxed around Yates, but has been absent recently :(

 

I have nothing more to add on Cass, she seems relaxed, but there's nothing content wise yet, the more posts she does with 'more later' the worse I'll feel.

 

Not much to add on Dice, sorry to hear about RL. I really don't like that he's come in and basically commented on who Zanders mentor is. He was also OBV town at the end of the game, that just finished, but that was building on an overall OBVtown game.

 

Sooh's tricky I knew her alignment when I was reading her posts in the Arthurian game so can't be a reliable judge. But typically I expect TownSooh to be more involved, as an example - she voted a claimed mason (Yates) who was being backed up by another claimed mason (Pral) because he was low effort, there's none of that this game and in fact is 'nulling' people because of it. SLast game she spoke to people she'd never interacted with before, presumably in an effort to understand them, this game there's none of that (for example, I don't believe her and Clov have met before?). If I was Ithi I'd be jumping up and down over Sooh's self-consciousness about being lynched, while last game she was worried about being killed #InnerIthi.

Well.. I went back and read the thread, basically ISOing myself, and to be fair, I have sounded jumpy... It may be because I'm trying to throw myself out there more, whereas earlier I have tried to observe more and always been jumped at for low post count, so there's that... Of course the fluff so far isn't going to help me much in that department... 

 

As for Clov I do know him a little from chats, so that means I have interacted with everyone in this game before. 

 

I wish I could convince you that I'm town from this, especially since I feel my contributions in mafia games usually gets better as the game goes along and I have more to work with... Then again, I see where you're coming from.

 

throwing yourself at the mercy of the court is something only a guilty person does

[Sooh]

Wow... New Zander... Nope.. not throwing anything. Just explaining. Also frustrated with my game.

 

Who do you see as scummy and town at this point in the game?

[Zander?]

though these are just really thoughts as i am a tol noob

 

BFG at first started to kinda of imply Yates as others myself included did.  But then he was on her town list.  Seems like a bit of a contridiction though it was early makes me wonder...

 

Your last comment Sooh coupled with basic meh comments makes you a suspect.

 

Yates as I stated earlier is still on my list

 

Clov because he really seems like he knows whats going on and seems like he should know like others im town

[Sooh]

Good catch on BFG changing Yates from suspect to non-suspect. 

 

Why should Clov know you're town? I don't know that you're town... Nor does BFG from the look of her post... 

[Zander?]

i thought my charming and sweet disposition was glaringly apparent!!  im too sweet to be scum

[Zander?]

but really right now im just trying to find contradictions

[Zander?]

Good catch on BFG changing Yates from suspect to non-suspect. 

 

Why should Clov know you're town? I don't know that you're town... Nor does BFG from the look of her post... 

i just thought that people would realize that if i answered something vaguely or that it seemed obsecure would be understood as im a noob tryin to figure his way through the madness that is mafia. but i guess that without some people not knowing me may have made that difficult.

[Songstress]

I'm traveling today and may be very scarce for the next couple of days - I was expecting to have more time since I'm on vacation in Colorado for the rest of the week, but my sister in law threw me a curve ball and told me yesterday she'd booked us a cabin in the mountains for a couple of days, so I'm not sure what my signal is going to be like, and wi-fi is right out so I'll be on my phone if Sprint cooperates, until we get back to her house on Friday.

 

It's been a busy couple of days trying to prep, and I feel woefully stupid as per normal D1, so I'll throw out a few thoughts for the record.  

 

 

BFG - putting in effort, which is always appreciated.  Haven't seen anything that struck an alarm with me, so provisional good feeling there.

 

Cass - is officially on the "never to be trusted" list after her last couple of scum games Unsure what to think so far, she'll be tough for me to peg until late game unless she does something very off.

 

Clov - Firmly null.  I don't want to lynch him because he appears to be actively trying to solve the game, 

 

Dice - I don't have a Town!Dice read yet.  Will have to see if that changes.

 

Sili - This disagrees with most everyone who's stated a read of him, but I'm not feeling comfortable with him. Call it tone, call it gut feeling... whatever. Could just be that we're oil and water, but I would vote here.  

 

Sooh - Not sure yet but positive so far.

 

Yates - How can I trust the Yates?  Actually, he's reading as town to me at the moment. 

 

Zander - Overplaying the noob card, which is a danger for noobs... Alot, tell your mentee to stop mentioning every second sentence that he's new at this, yes?     Seems self-conscious.  I subscribe to the "don't lynch brand new players D1" tradition, but may be willing to go here D2, depending on further developments.

 

 

Shuttle driver arrived 15 minutes early and I have to run.  Will check in before my flight leaves.

[Cass]

Ok, I have read, re-read and re-read this thread. I still feel like I have very little that could be substantial.

 

IMO there's very little content being contributed to the game so far by anyone but Clov and BFG, and I am having a super hard time judging decent tone reads based on what does exist ITT. Ignoring my paranoia and going with the logic that Town is more likely to push the game along (Darthe would be so proud), I'm going to say it's more likely that both Clov and BFG are Town.

 

In general this is what I have:

 

BFG - Most aggressive player so far, driving discussion with several others, offering reads (how do you have reads??)

 

Clov - Also driving the game more than others, asks some pertinent questions, agree with his read of Zander avoiding questions/being obscure, didn't necessarily read Yates' interaction with BFG that way, but see his point.

 

Sooh - Hedging more than last game. ?genuine lack of reads. Willing to give benefit of the doubt for now because I'm struggling in a similar way. FWIW quietness/low posting was something I noted about her after her initial pushes in Kaylee's game - though this was deliberate on her part, I believe.

 

Dice - Not yet aggressive enough for me to call him Town, but relaxed - plus real life (he's been similar on Skype)

 

Sili - Aggressive to start with and kinda liked his attitude, came across slightly defensive in his response to Tress p. 4 (about being defensive)

 

Tress - Made me smile in the RVS, comment on Sili being aggressive stood out as having a different tone. Not much content yet.

 

Yates - Vote on Clov came across as more defensive than I can remember seeing before. No idea what that means.

 

Zander - Liked his intro/the fact that he was doing something to get everyone engaged. Didn't like the use of chocolate cookies to hint at scum. Find his evasive answering obscure. 

 

 

 

In a nutshell/TLDR: BFG and Clov light Town reads, the rest are mostly null. I'm not a fan of Zander's posts but I agree on giving newbies a pass for at least D1. I don't like the idea of getting rid of Yates so early if he's Town and if No Lynch is an option D1 I would truly opt for that right now. If it comes down to voting between Clov or Yates though, I'd go Yates.

[Yates]

 

 

For one, asking BFG about the colors.  I can see why a first time player wouldn't know what that refers to.  But considering his mentor is someone who was basically recruited by Cory, I'm a bit surprised he hasn't explained how people format read lists.

 

 

Am I wrong on that train of thought...?

 

Yes. BFG started to touch on it but didn't nail it exactly. If I'm being mentored or in a hydra, I don't bother running every single post by my buddy in my QT. It isn't efficient and precludes me from being able to interact in real time. There's no reason to assume Zander is going to ask ask his mentor site specific questions in the QT instead of just asking in thread. If anything, I think the easier assumption is the later.

 

Stuff like asking what colors mean or this?

what does EBWOP mean?

Totally null. Plus, Alot isn't from DM. Who's to say he would even have an answer anyway as these are things that many other forums don't use?

 

If your problem was with THIS post?

i am a noob inside an enigma with dash of crazy thats a riddle written in vanilla frosting...hope that helps!!!

I would have totally understood and would not be challenging you.

[Cass]

I'm traveling today and may be very scarce for the next couple of days - I was expecting to have more time since I'm on vacation in Colorado for the rest of the week, but my sister in law threw me a curve ball and told me yesterday she'd booked us a cabin in the mountains for a couple of days, so I'm not sure what my signal is going to be like, and wi-fi is right out so I'll be on my phone if Sprint cooperates, until we get back to her house on Friday.

 

It's been a busy couple of days trying to prep, and I feel woefully stupid as per normal D1, so I'll throw out a few thoughts for the record.  

 

 

BFG - putting in effort, which is always appreciated.  Haven't seen anything that struck an alarm with me, so provisional good feeling there.

 

Cass - is officially on the "never to be trusted" list after her last couple of scum games Unsure what to think so far, she'll be tough for me to peg until late game unless she does something very off.

 

Clov - Firmly null.  I don't want to lynch him because he appears to be actively trying to solve the game, 

 

Dice - I don't have a Town!Dice read yet.  Will have to see if that changes.

 

Sili - This disagrees with most everyone who's stated a read of him, but I'm not feeling comfortable with him. Call it tone, call it gut feeling... whatever. Could just be that we're oil and water, but I would vote here.  

 

Sooh - Not sure yet but positive so far.

 

Yates - How can I trust the Yates?  Actually, he's reading as town to me at the moment. 

 

Zander - Overplaying the noob card, which is a danger for noobs... Alot, tell your mentee to stop mentioning every second sentence that he's new at this, yes?     Seems self-conscious.  I subscribe to the "don't lynch brand new players D1" tradition, but may be willing to go here D2, depending on further developments.

 

 

Shuttle driver arrived 15 minutes early and I have to run.  Will check in before my flight leaves.

 

Ninja'd.

 

Like this post from Tress. Towny on tone. Agree with most of it, but can't be so sure on Yates (How does anyone trust the Yates?)

 

Still watching the development between her and Sili. 

[Yates]

If it comes down to voting between Clov or Yates though, I'd go Yates.

Then you aren't reading the game. My vote on Clov isn't defensive. It's because I want to get rid of scum. Town Clov doesn't push people on made up BS reasons. His pushes have all been made up BS. Ergo, Clov is scum. It's that simple.

 

Take a look at his stated reason for voting for me, for example. Not to put too fine a point on it but he's acting like he thought it was scummy for joshing around with BFG based on the exchange we had in the game that just ended. In what world is joking around with someone based on a recent misread somehow perceived as scummy?

 

Now look at how he's trying to make Zander look bad. He's trying to pretend Zander should have more information than is reasonable because he has a mentor - from another site. That's so garbage. It's the inverse of the "too much info to be a noob" argument. Ask Sili how scum [*cough* me *cough*] used that as an argument to get him mislynched in one of his first games here. I think we used it on Eldrick as well. It's a garbage push and is NEVER accurate.

 

Say again: Vote Clov if you want this Town to win.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Yates (2): Clov, Sili

Clov (1): Yates

 

Not Voting (6): BFG/Cory, Cass/Nyn, Dice, Sooh, Tress, Zander

 

Deadline: 2015-04-15, 20:00 GMT

[Kaylee]

3.5 hours till deadline.

[Zander?]

 

If it comes down to voting between Clov or Yates though, I'd go Yates.

Then you aren't reading the game. My vote on Clov isn't defensive. It's because I want to get rid of scum. Town Clov doesn't push people on made up BS reasons. His pushes have all been made up BS. Ergo, Clov is scum. It's that simple.

 

Take a look at his stated reason for voting for me, for example. Not to put too fine a point on it but he's acting like he thought it was scummy for joshing around with BFG based on the exchange we had in the game that just ended. In what world is joking around with someone based on a recent misread somehow perceived as scummy?

 

Now look at how he's trying to make Zander look bad. He's trying to pretend Zander should have more information than is reasonable because he has a mentor - from another site. That's so garbage. It's the inverse of the "too much info to be a noob" argument. Ask Sili how scum [*cough* me *cough*] used that as an argument to get him mislynched in one of his first games here. I think we used it on Eldrick as well. It's a garbage push and is NEVER accurate.

 

Say again: Vote Clov if you want this Town to win.

 

 

 

seems legit..anyone got any good reasons to refute?

[BFG]

 

So here we go

 

Clov has worked to get the game moving which is a townie thing to do. Now Clov 'could' do this as mafia, but it's not something to suspect him over as is. His vote on Yates was by far the most townie thing on thread at that point in the game.

 

Yates is playing low effort so far, this 'could' be mafia Yates replicating his low effort town game, but for now I'm inclined it more likely that this is town Yates. His response to the votes is possibly more wounded town than scummy as well. Hopefully he'll become more obvious once the game gets going.

 

I would be reluctant to lynch Zander today, mostly because I think him more likely to be town, but partly because DM 'courtesy' doesn't lynch noob players Day 1, partly because we want them to come back and play again, partly because it's difficult to read noob players as they tend to come across as scummy (admittedly I have a blind spot here). If he doesn't start adding more of value soon then I'll likely change my mind here.

 

I could tin foil on Sili and of my town reads and am currently more likely to do so than my other greens due to low thread presence, I'm more comfortable reading Sili during thread interaction and I'm seeing not much of that here, him bailing on the thread after telling me he liked his current PoE is a red flag to me since he normally develops reads through in-thread interaction. On the other hand his thought process is still sort of transparant so can get a light green read till tomorrow.

 

Tress is closer to green, early posts are paying attention (I had the same initial reaction to Sili's posts in terms of making me uneasy, finding them aggressive), she also seems relaxed around Yates, but has been absent recently :(

 

I have nothing more to add on Cass, she seems relaxed, but there's nothing content wise yet, the more posts she does with 'more later' the worse I'll feel.

 

Not much to add on Dice, sorry to hear about RL. I really don't like that he's come in and basically commented on who Zanders mentor is. He was also OBV town at the end of the game, that just finished, but that was building on an overall OBVtown game.

 

Sooh's tricky I knew her alignment when I was reading her posts in the Arthurian game so can't be a reliable judge. But typically I expect TownSooh to be more involved, as an example - she voted a claimed mason (Yates) who was being backed up by another claimed mason (Pral) because he was low effort, there's none of that this game and in fact is 'nulling' people because of it. SLast game she spoke to people she'd never interacted with before, presumably in an effort to understand them, this game there's none of that (for example, I don't believe her and Clov have met before?). If I was Ithi I'd be jumping up and down over Sooh's self-consciousness about being lynched, while last game she was worried about being killed #InnerIthi.

Well.. I went back and read the thread, basically ISOing myself, and to be fair, I have sounded jumpy... It may be because I'm trying to throw myself out there more, whereas earlier I have tried to observe more and always been jumped at for low post count, so there's that... Of course the fluff so far isn't going to help me much in that department... 

 

As for Clov I do know him a little from chats, so that means I have interacted with everyone in this game before. 

 

I wish I could convince you that I'm town from this, especially since I feel my contributions in mafia games usually gets better as the game goes along and I have more to work with... Then again, I see where you're coming from.

 

 

Eh?

 

So you reread the thread and all you can say is that you understand why I think you could be mafia?

 

Can you show me where you've tried to throw yourself out there in this thread?

 

Which game were you jumped on for low postcount? From what I know this is your third game? You were consensus town (mostly) in the cliché game, and I don't recall you getting pushed in W13, although I'll admit I never finished fully catching up so may have missed it.

[Zander?]

 

 

So here we go

 

Clov has worked to get the game moving which is a townie thing to do. Now Clov 'could' do this as mafia, but it's not something to suspect him over as is. His vote on Yates was by far the most townie thing on thread at that point in the game.

 

Yates is playing low effort so far, this 'could' be mafia Yates replicating his low effort town game, but for now I'm inclined it more likely that this is town Yates. His response to the votes is possibly more wounded town than scummy as well. Hopefully he'll become more obvious once the game gets going.

 

I would be reluctant to lynch Zander today, mostly because I think him more likely to be town, but partly because DM 'courtesy' doesn't lynch noob players Day 1, partly because we want them to come back and play again, partly because it's difficult to read noob players as they tend to come across as scummy (admittedly I have a blind spot here). If he doesn't start adding more of value soon then I'll likely change my mind here.

 

I could tin foil on Sili and of my town reads and am currently more likely to do so than my other greens due to low thread presence, I'm more comfortable reading Sili during thread interaction and I'm seeing not much of that here, him bailing on the thread after telling me he liked his current PoE is a red flag to me since he normally develops reads through in-thread interaction. On the other hand his thought process is still sort of transparant so can get a light green read till tomorrow.

 

Tress is closer to green, early posts are paying attention (I had the same initial reaction to Sili's posts in terms of making me uneasy, finding them aggressive), she also seems relaxed around Yates, but has been absent recently :(

 

I have nothing more to add on Cass, she seems relaxed, but there's nothing content wise yet, the more posts she does with 'more later' the worse I'll feel.

 

Not much to add on Dice, sorry to hear about RL. I really don't like that he's come in and basically commented on who Zanders mentor is. He was also OBV town at the end of the game, that just finished, but that was building on an overall OBVtown game.

 

Sooh's tricky I knew her alignment when I was reading her posts in the Arthurian game so can't be a reliable judge. But typically I expect TownSooh to be more involved, as an example - she voted a claimed mason (Yates) who was being backed up by another claimed mason (Pral) because he was low effort, there's none of that this game and in fact is 'nulling' people because of it. SLast game she spoke to people she'd never interacted with before, presumably in an effort to understand them, this game there's none of that (for example, I don't believe her and Clov have met before?). If I was Ithi I'd be jumping up and down over Sooh's self-consciousness about being lynched, while last game she was worried about being killed #InnerIthi.

Well.. I went back and read the thread, basically ISOing myself, and to be fair, I have sounded jumpy... It may be because I'm trying to throw myself out there more, whereas earlier I have tried to observe more and always been jumped at for low post count, so there's that... Of course the fluff so far isn't going to help me much in that department... 

 

As for Clov I do know him a little from chats, so that means I have interacted with everyone in this game before. 

 

I wish I could convince you that I'm town from this, especially since I feel my contributions in mafia games usually gets better as the game goes along and I have more to work with... Then again, I see where you're coming from.

 

throwing yourself at the mercy of the court is something only a guilty person does

 

always leaning towards Sooh as Mafia

[BFG]

though these are just really thoughts as i am a tol noob

 

BFG at first started to kinda of imply Yates as others myself included did.  But then he was on her town list.  Seems like a bit of a contridiction though it was early makes me wonder...

 

Your last comment Sooh coupled with basic meh comments makes you a suspect.

 

Yates as I stated earlier is still on my list

 

Clov because he really seems like he knows whats going on and seems like he should know like others im town

Where did I imply I thought Yates was mafia? And you still haven't explained your Yates read (unless I missed it)

 

Good catch on BFG changing Yates from suspect to non-suspect. 

 

Why should Clov know you're town? I don't know that you're town... Nor does BFG from the look of her post...

Same question, where did I have Yates as suspect?

 

Zander wasn't my peek, but I still have him as light green provisional on posts like the above...

[BFG]

i thought my charming and sweet disposition was glaringly apparent!!  im too sweet to be scum

 

If it were only that easy

[BFG]

I'm traveling today and may be very scarce for the next couple of days - I was expecting to have more time since I'm on vacation in Colorado for the rest of the week, but my sister in law threw me a curve ball and told me yesterday she'd booked us a cabin in the mountains for a couple of days, so I'm not sure what my signal is going to be like, and wi-fi is right out so I'll be on my phone if Sprint cooperates, until we get back to her house on Friday.

 

It's been a busy couple of days trying to prep, and I feel woefully stupid as per normal D1, so I'll throw out a few thoughts for the record.  

 

 

BFG - putting in effort, which is always appreciated.  Haven't seen anything that struck an alarm with me, so provisional good feeling there.

 

Cass - is officially on the "never to be trusted" list after her last couple of scum games Unsure what to think so far, she'll be tough for me to peg until late game unless she does something very off.

 

Clov - Firmly null.  I don't want to lynch him because he appears to be actively trying to solve the game, 

 

Dice - I don't have a Town!Dice read yet.  Will have to see if that changes.

 

Sili - This disagrees with most everyone who's stated a read of him, but I'm not feeling comfortable with him. Call it tone, call it gut feeling... whatever. Could just be that we're oil and water, but I would vote here.  

 

Sooh - Not sure yet but positive so far.

 

Yates - How can I trust the Yates?  Actually, he's reading as town to me at the moment. 

 

Zander - Overplaying the noob card, which is a danger for noobs... Alot, tell your mentee to stop mentioning every second sentence that he's new at this, yes?     Seems self-conscious.  I subscribe to the "don't lynch brand new players D1" tradition, but may be willing to go here D2, depending on further developments.

 

 

Shuttle driver arrived 15 minutes early and I have to run.  Will check in before my flight leaves.

I like this a lot, I don't like the lack of vote :/ (says the non-voter)

[Zander?]

 

though these are just really thoughts as i am a tol noob

 

BFG at first started to kinda of imply Yates as others myself included did.  But then he was on her town list.  Seems like a bit of a contridiction though it was early makes me wonder...

 

Your last comment Sooh coupled with basic meh comments makes you a suspect.

 

Yates as I stated earlier is still on my list

 

Clov because he really seems like he knows whats going on and seems like he should know like others im town

Where did I imply I thought Yates was mafia? And you still haven't explained your Yates read (unless I missed it)

 

Good catch on BFG changing Yates from suspect to non-suspect. 

 

Why should Clov know you're town? I don't know that you're town... Nor does BFG from the look of her post...

Same question, where did I have Yates as suspect?

 

Zander wasn't my peek, but I still have him as light green provisional on posts like the above...

 

it was just my intial gut feeling. was my yates read.  

[Zander?]

 

i thought my charming and sweet disposition was glaringly apparent!!  im too sweet to be scum

 

If it were only that easy

 

if thats not enough i just dont know what is...lol

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

For one, asking BFG about the colors.  I can see why a first time player wouldn't know what that refers to.  But considering his mentor is someone who was basically recruited by Cory, I'm a bit surprised he hasn't explained how people format read lists.

 

 

Am I wrong on that train of thought...?

 

Yes. BFG started to touch on it but didn't nail it exactly. If I'm being mentored or in a hydra, I don't bother running every single post by my buddy in my QT. It isn't efficient and precludes me from being able to interact in real time. There's no reason to assume Zander is going to ask ask his mentor site specific questions in the QT instead of just asking in thread. If anything, I think the easier assumption is the later.

 

Stuff like asking what colors mean or this?

what does EBWOP mean?

Totally null. Plus, Alot isn't from DM. Who's to say he would even have an answer anyway as these are things that many other forums don't use?

 

If your problem was with THIS post?

i am a noob inside an enigma with dash of crazy thats a riddle written in vanilla frosting...hope that helps!!!

I would have totally understood and would not be challenging you.

 

 

Agree to disagree, then, because that's literally the point of having a mentor - it's Zander's first game, he's paired with an experienced player.  I would say the very purpose of that is for Zander to ask what things mean.

 

Also don't like how you insinuate I'm pushing for him for this ("making him look bad", to use your words).  I said it's strange to me, so I'm not going to townread him for "playing like a noob" - since he has a perfectly legit reason to know more than somebody playing their first game would.  You know damn good and well if I wanted to string him up for it, I would be.

[BFG]

 

If it comes down to voting between Clov or Yates though, I'd go Yates.

Then you aren't reading the game. My vote on Clov isn't defensive. It's because I want to get rid of scum. Town Clov doesn't push people on made up BS reasons. His pushes have all been made up BS. Ergo, Clov is scum. It's that simple.

 

Take a look at his stated reason for voting for me, for example. Not to put too fine a point on it but he's acting like he thought it was scummy for joshing around with BFG based on the exchange we had in the game that just ended. In what world is joking around with someone based on a recent misread somehow perceived as scummy?

 

Now look at how he's trying to make Zander look bad. He's trying to pretend Zander should have more information than is reasonable because he has a mentor - from another site. That's so garbage. It's the inverse of the "too much info to be a noob" argument. Ask Sili how scum [*cough* me *cough*] used that as an argument to get him mislynched in one of his first games here. I think we used it on Eldrick as well. It's a garbage push and is NEVER accurate.

 

Say again: Vote Clov if you want this Town to win.

 

 

Hmmm, the initial vote seemed to be an attempt to get the ball rolling and Sili went along, so for that I give them brownie points. I'm not a huge fan that the vote's remained unchanged, but there hasn't been much else in thread, so that's nuller than I'd like it to be.

 

From what I know Eldrick hasn't been town since he came back, so couldn't be mislynched (if he was lynched at all)

 

Official Vote Count

 

Yates (2): Clov, Sili

Clov (1): Yates

 

Not Voting (6): BFG/Cory, Cass/Nyn, Dice, Sooh, Tress, Zander

 

Deadline: 2015-04-15, 20:00 GMT

Yates sticking his vote on an unlikely lynch (I think most people have Clov as Town) is probably townie of him.

 

Yates what do you think of Sooh and Dice? What do you make of Zanders soft 'pushes' on you?

[Sooh]

 

 

So here we go

 

Clov has worked to get the game moving which is a townie thing to do. Now Clov 'could' do this as mafia, but it's not something to suspect him over as is. His vote on Yates was by far the most townie thing on thread at that point in the game.

 

Yates is playing low effort so far, this 'could' be mafia Yates replicating his low effort town game, but for now I'm inclined it more likely that this is town Yates. His response to the votes is possibly more wounded town than scummy as well. Hopefully he'll become more obvious once the game gets going.

 

I would be reluctant to lynch Zander today, mostly because I think him more likely to be town, but partly because DM 'courtesy' doesn't lynch noob players Day 1, partly because we want them to come back and play again, partly because it's difficult to read noob players as they tend to come across as scummy (admittedly I have a blind spot here). If he doesn't start adding more of value soon then I'll likely change my mind here.

 

I could tin foil on Sili and of my town reads and am currently more likely to do so than my other greens due to low thread presence, I'm more comfortable reading Sili during thread interaction and I'm seeing not much of that here, him bailing on the thread after telling me he liked his current PoE is a red flag to me since he normally develops reads through in-thread interaction. On the other hand his thought process is still sort of transparant so can get a light green read till tomorrow.

 

Tress is closer to green, early posts are paying attention (I had the same initial reaction to Sili's posts in terms of making me uneasy, finding them aggressive), she also seems relaxed around Yates, but has been absent recently :(

 

I have nothing more to add on Cass, she seems relaxed, but there's nothing content wise yet, the more posts she does with 'more later' the worse I'll feel.

 

Not much to add on Dice, sorry to hear about RL. I really don't like that he's come in and basically commented on who Zanders mentor is. He was also OBV town at the end of the game, that just finished, but that was building on an overall OBVtown game.

 

Sooh's tricky I knew her alignment when I was reading her posts in the Arthurian game so can't be a reliable judge. But typically I expect TownSooh to be more involved, as an example - she voted a claimed mason (Yates) who was being backed up by another claimed mason (Pral) because he was low effort, there's none of that this game and in fact is 'nulling' people because of it. SLast game she spoke to people she'd never interacted with before, presumably in an effort to understand them, this game there's none of that (for example, I don't believe her and Clov have met before?). If I was Ithi I'd be jumping up and down over Sooh's self-consciousness about being lynched, while last game she was worried about being killed #InnerIthi.

Well.. I went back and read the thread, basically ISOing myself, and to be fair, I have sounded jumpy... It may be because I'm trying to throw myself out there more, whereas earlier I have tried to observe more and always been jumped at for low post count, so there's that... Of course the fluff so far isn't going to help me much in that department... 

 

As for Clov I do know him a little from chats, so that means I have interacted with everyone in this game before. 

 

I wish I could convince you that I'm town from this, especially since I feel my contributions in mafia games usually gets better as the game goes along and I have more to work with... Then again, I see where you're coming from.

 

 

Eh?

 

So you reread the thread and all you can say is that you understand why I think you could be mafia?

 

Can you show me where you've tried to throw yourself out there in this thread?

 

Which game were you jumped on for low postcount? From what I know this is your third game? You were consensus town (mostly) in the cliché game, and I don't recall you getting pushed in W13, although I'll admit I never finished fully catching up so may have missed it.

 

I went back to read the thread to see where you were coming from, and yes, I saw that. 

 

At the gate I threw myself out there interacting with people in loose banter. Then I have had to defend said banter since then, because apparently my banter is suspicious. Yes, this is frustrating. I have not done much in terms of reads yet, because first of all I'm not good at reading people D1, and second of all, like the people who have done reads have said... not much there to work with. I'll try to get a read done now as soon as I'm done with this post to satisfy your needs. 

 

This is my fourth game actually, and it was very much my first game and the cliche game in which I was jumped on for post count. True I wasn't pushed much in the Cliche game, but the comments were there. If that makes me defensive, ok, I'm defensive. Not because I have anything to hide, but because I would like to contribute to this game before I'm voted out. 

 

always leaning towards Sooh as Mafia

 

Always?

 

 

though these are just really thoughts as i am a tol noob

 

BFG at first started to kinda of imply Yates as others myself included did.  But then he was on her town list.  Seems like a bit of a contridiction though it was early makes me wonder...

 

Your last comment Sooh coupled with basic meh comments makes you a suspect.

 

Yates as I stated earlier is still on my list

 

Clov because he really seems like he knows whats going on and seems like he should know like others im town

Where did I imply I thought Yates was mafia? And you still haven't explained your Yates read (unless I missed it)

 

Good catch on BFG changing Yates from suspect to non-suspect. 

 

Why should Clov know you're town? I don't know that you're town... Nor does BFG from the look of her post...

Same question, where did I have Yates as suspect?

 

Zander wasn't my peek, but I still have him as light green provisional on posts like the above...

 

He noticed you early on talking about Yates lying probably, and then you having him in green. It's null to me since that was literally your first post in the game and banter, but he did note inconsistency. That's what I was trying to credit him for.